M.Akram --
He was "neem Hakeem Khatara Jan" -- Although his mission was good, but he wasn't good in achieving goals of his mission --- His efforts created negative effects in the mind of people against Islam --- He maligned Islam -- There are many innocent victims, still suffering in jails due to his efforts----- The mullahs, he used to create such a society, were ignorants-- They were closed minded -- They couldn't think outside the box-- That's why he didn't succeed.
PKPolitics Discuss » Current Issues
Pakistan Needs Leaders Like Jinnah and Zia.
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shafiq12
memberPosted 6 months ago on 04 Nov 2011 10:02 # -
sultanalikhan
Memberlollll @oblivion....look who is talking about "thinking outside the box" "closed minded (whatever that means)" "Ignorants"
We if he was "Need Hakeem Khatar-e Jaan" then you are "Neem Mullah Khatra-e Imaan"....loll
Posted 6 months ago on 04 Nov 2011 10:14 # -
shafiq12
memberSAK
Don't always act like Croc -- contribute something good for the progress of thread -- unfortunately, our society has got so many different types of croc-- I am still investigating your kind -- But, it is beyond my reach --Posted 6 months ago on 04 Nov 2011 10:22 # -
Mr.Oblivion Zia was the most successful ruler of Pakistan, some of reasons are as follows:
He was the longest ruling ruler for about 11 Years.
In his era development ratio was highest in the world in Pakistan.
In his era Pakistan recieved F-16, and successfully completed peace ful nuclear program.
Pakistan was island of peace in the region.
He defeated world super Soviet Union, due to which dozens of countries were librated.and Germany was reunited, a success which even Alexander was not able to achieve.In his era India was highly frightened from Pakistan and isolated in the world.
It was his era in which Pakistan was on peak in the world of sports.Posted 6 months ago on 04 Nov 2011 12:46 # -
If any one want to be successful in Pakistan, he will have to follow the policies of General Zia because that is the only pathway of success.
Posted 6 months ago on 04 Nov 2011 12:48 # -
gv
Member@makram
are you related to General Zia by any chance?
Posted 6 months ago on 04 Nov 2011 13:50 # -
@gv
No! M.AKRAM is not related to Gen Zia but GHOST of Gen Zia himself.
Posted 6 months ago on 04 Nov 2011 14:24 # -
gv
Member@ST
lol
Posted 6 months ago on 04 Nov 2011 15:30 # -
@gv
Fancy supporting Gen Zia! I cannot believe this guy M.AKRAM. All these military rulers From Ayub to Musharraf have been chiefly responsible for plight of today's Pakistan. We need an arab spring against our army rulers.
Posted 6 months ago on 04 Nov 2011 15:35 # -
shafiq12
memberM. Akram
He wasn't man of his words-- In announcing his takeover of the government, Zia stated that he had taken action only in order to hold new elections for national and provincial assemblies within ninety days --The country expected that a new free and fair poll would take place. It did not. Zia cancelled the elections to start a his new campaign-- Can you believe his rule was based on dishonesty --Posted 6 months ago on 05 Nov 2011 6:29 # -
Hussain Farooqui
MemberZia found a golden chance to convert Pakistan into a country like South Korea. South Korea had a similar situation. They took the situation wisely into a big advantage of theirs. We took the advantageous situation totally against our interests.
Posted 6 months ago on 05 Nov 2011 6:44 # -
At present its golden opportunity for Imran Khan to adopt and take the natural and best policies of Zia, as Nawaz Shareef has gone far away from the policies of Zia, so its the best Chance for Imran to take and become the custodian of Anti Bhutto and Zia supporting vote bank of the country by this he can become very conveniently and easily from single seat to multi seats leader of the country.
Because at present there are two main vote Banks which are as follows:
PPP Vote Bank:
This vote bank is very coherent and is composed of two main components:
1)Sindhi Natinalism: Mr. Zardari and PPP have tried to kept this component very aggressively with themselves.that is the reason Mr.Zardari wears Sindhi Cap and Ajrak and have very close monitoring of the affairs of Sindh.
2)Shia Sect and religious Minority group.Shia Sect:PPP also have made great efforts to keep hold on this component,that is the reason that Mr.Zardari often use the name of Hazrat Hussain and Hazrat Zainab,Karbala, and have carved out Gilgit and Baltistan province, only province in Pakistan having majority of Shia Sect.
Non Muslim Minority group:PPP is a natural party for this group as now Mr. avoid to take the name of Islam and Muslims. so that this group could be attracted.
Second Vote Bank in Pakistan is composed of:
Posted 6 months ago on 19 Nov 2011 15:54 # -
shafiq12
memberM.Akram
You are day dreaming- Let me quote you something --"Imran Khan supports that an Islamic state would provide all the freedoms of a secular state but would preserve the family system, which is the essence of Islam in his view. This view by no means is unique.. Great Britain, which in theory is a protestant monarchy, is in fact a secular democracy without a complete separation of church and state. It seems then that Imran Khan is pleading for a cultural ethos rooted in Islam and not necessarily a state policy that seeks to implement one interpretation of Islam over the other. By espousing a pluralistic, democratic and egalitarian state, albeit Islamic, Imran Khan is following in the footsteps of established Islam-based democrats like the great Reccip Erdogan of Turkey and more precisely Ennahda Party of Tunisia."
Posted 6 months ago on 19 Nov 2011 16:21 # -
shafiq12
memberM. Akram
Imran khan says that an Islamic state would provide all the freedoms of a secular state -- He supports the idea of secularism against the policy of ziaPosted 6 months ago on 19 Nov 2011 16:24 # -
I am surprised that the administration of the PKPOLITICS actually published one of his article on main page. He supports dictators and quite often come out with his filth against the smaller provinces blaming them for electricity crisis.
Posted 6 months ago on 19 Nov 2011 17:56 # -
Khan Sahib on one side you are saying that I support Dictators like Ayoub Khan,Yahya Khan and Musharaf,and on other side you are saying that I am blamming smaller provinces, for your Kind information all these dictaors were belonging from smaller provinces(Surhad and Sindh), I support any one on the basis of merit and nobility.I never support any dictator, and I never support any criminal,I support just them who want to creat a fair and just system, whether on the basis of Islam, Christainaity or Hinduism or any other religion,and Jinnah and Zia did so, therefore I support their policies.
Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 8:19 # -
Ghost of Gen Zia has re-surrected and his new name is M.AKRAM...
Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:33 # -
saladin89
MemberWho are u talking about the one that sat on the lap of a dictator to come to power?
U are not talking about N$ that crook are u?
Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:35 # -
@saladin89
one always needs lap of Establishment and army generals to come into power. Right from ZAB to NS to Benazir, they all needed green signal from army and now ISI's new darling is Imran. No one can get power in Pakistan without approval of army generals. Full Stop.
Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:39 # -
saladin89
MemberNot IK bro, the establishment is coming in line and accepting Imran to save our country.
Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:43 # -
At present its golden opportunity for Imran Khan to adopt and take the natural and best policies of Zia, as Nawaz Shareef has gone far away from the policies of Zia, so its the best Chance for Imran to take and become the custodian of Anti Bhutto and Zia supporting vote bank of the country by this he can become very conveniently and easily from single seat to multi seats leader of the country.
Because at present there are two main vote Banks which are as follows:
PPP Vote Bank:
This vote bank is very coherent and is composed of two main components:
1)Sindhi Natinalism: Mr. Zardari and PPP have tried to kept this component very aggressively with themselves.that is the reason Mr.Zardari wears Sindhi Cap and Ajrak and have very close monitoring of the affairs of Sindh.
2)Shia Sect and religious Minority group.Shia Sect:PPP also have made great efforts to keep hold on this component,that is the reason that Mr.Zardari often use the name of Hazrat Hussain and Hazrat Zainab,Karbala, and have carved out Gilgit and Baltistan province, only province in Pakistan having majority of Shia Sect.
Non Muslim Minority group:PPP is a natural party for this group as now Mr. avoid to take the name of Islam and Muslims. so that this group could be attracted.
Second Vote Bank in Pakistan is composed of:
Majority Sunni Population such as
PML(N),JUI,JUP and Jammate Islami.
But the main defect in this vote bank is that it is not coherent and infact somewhat careless, therefore these parties are unable to play any significant role in the country politics, after Zia death Mr.Nawaz Sahreef was claiming to be his successor, but he totally failed in taking forward the mission of Zia, that is the main reason that now people of this bank are going towards Tehreeki Insaf, who very boldly following the policies of General Zia.Posted 5 months ago on 24 Dec 2011 13:23 # -
In Zia era there was no shortage of gas,electricity and energy.even then largest solar station of Asia was built in Somiani,Balochistan.
Construction of Tarbella dam, Steel mill, Railway Workshop Mughalpurra was completed,Pakistan starred manufacturing of railway coaches and sleepers,Pakistan nuclear programm was completed.
While Mr.Zardari have destroyed all these assetsPosted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 9:38 # -
In the era of Zardari even not a single school or Hospital have been constructed while he is himself suffering from Heart Disease.
While in the era of Zia Institute of cardiovascular Disease Karachi was developed with his keen interest while he himself was not suffering from Heart Disease.Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 9:51 # -
pacemaker
MemberM.AKRAM,
"Pakistan was island of peace in the region."lol, hhahahahahahahahahah
I was still alive then and witness bomb blast at the corner of almost every street day in day out without any lull, their was not a single day-off,
so please make your comments in the jokes sections, I will vote for you as a best joke of the century!
Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 14:48 # -
In the era of Zia dozens of Soviet Union Jet Fighters were shot down, while in the era of Musharaf we can not shot down even choppers and dummy drones.
Posted 4 months ago on 02 Jan 2012 8:08 # -
In the era of Zia there was no terrorism except that of Murtaza Bhutto Alzulfiqar cousin of Zardari.who used to kill innocent passenger of PIA,Bomb blast in Steel Mill and Saddar area of Karachi
Posted 4 months ago on 02 Jan 2012 8:10 # -
shafiq12
memberM.AKRAM
Who was behind plane crash event, which lead zia to rest in peace?Posted 4 months ago on 02 Jan 2012 9:48 # -
TanoliMns
MemberQuaid e Azam was a selfless leader perhaps leader of the century. He is unparallel
Posted 4 months ago on 02 Jan 2012 10:17 # -
Bring back gen Zia from his grave and he and M.AKRAM should be made country's leader.
I wonder if M.AKRAM is himself ghost of Gen Zia.
Posted 4 months ago on 02 Jan 2012 14:04 # -
General Zia used to provide moral guidelines to Pakistani nation, once he advised Pakistani nation not to use Ghee as that was dangerous for heath of people.
While Zardari never have spoken any single words about such subjects while he himsef is suffering from heart disease while Zia himself was not suffering from Heart Disease.Infact Zardari removed the subject of health from the federal subjects, while even United nations have not done such thing although that is not a government but still maintain this subject in the form of WHO world health organization.Posted 4 months ago on 21 Jan 2012 12:11 # -
Pakistani Expat
MemberGeneral Pervez Musharraf can not run away from the justice. Since justice has prevailed in other countries also:
> Chile; former dictator General Augusto Pinoche now in jail.
> Bangladesh; former General Hussain Irshad in jail.
> Sri Lanka; former General Sarath Fonseka now in jail.
> Turkey; former General Ilker basburg now in jail.
No wonder when we see General Pervez Musharraf in jail for subverting the constitution and condemnable NRO to throw the country in further darkness!
Posted 4 months ago on 25 Jan 2012 20:26 # -
Respect
MemberYes I agree GM needs to be trialed but with him Nawaz, Zardari and AH need to be trialed as well.
What right under the leadership of these crooks have they got the right to trail GM. We need to free and fair.
BTW I do not know too much about Zia saab, however we do have a leader like Jinnah in the form of Imran Khan.........
Posted 4 months ago on 25 Jan 2012 20:31 # -
Pakistan needs selfless patriotic leaders like Jinnah and Zia, otherwise corrupted leaders like Zardari and Gillani will continue to use Sindh CARD, BALOUCHISTAN CARD, SERAIKI CARD, AND CARD OF WAR AGAINST TERRORISM to blackmail Pakistani nation with the help of foreign agencies and countries,and anti Pakistan and ethnic Parties like ANP and MQM to ful fill their lust of power and luxuries.
Posted 3 months ago on 14 Feb 2012 7:26 # -
shafiq12
memberm.akram
jinnah was Britisher agent and creation of pakistan was a scheme in which jinnah and nehrhu played a major rule.Posted 3 months ago on 14 Feb 2012 8:18 # -
Dear Oblivion,
I have a small question not related to this thread but to the name of its intitiator.
Is writing M. or Mohd for Muhammad correct? Please reply ASAP. Thanks.
Posted 3 months ago on 14 Feb 2012 8:39 # -
Mr.Oblivion creation of Pakistan was based on democratic principles and natural phenomena.
Creation of Pakistan created stability in subcontinent and Asia, that is why inspite of occupation of East Pakistan by India,that East Pakistan is still existing with the name of Bangladesh and any border dispute between India and Bangladesh is even today is viewed and debated on the basis of records of borders demarcated by creation of Pakistan in 1947.
Qauid-e-Azam refused the offer of Ghandhi,Nehru and Mountabatten to become the Prime Minster of India so that creation of Pakistan can be avoided, but Jinnah was a sefless leader and was of opinion that creation of Muslim India and Hindu Dominated India is a natural and most suitable solution for most of the problems of United India, and time has proved his vision.
Because even today India Hindu Top leader ship don't spare any Chance to damage Interest of Muslims, which is obvious from following examples.
India occupied Muslim majority state of Jammu and Kashmir so that Muslim states can be blocked from annexing to Muslim India (Pakistan), with only reason to block unity among Muslims states and Muslims.
By developing bad relationship with Pakistan, Indian Hindu leadership kept at a distance its Muslims Population from developing any people to people contacts with Pakistan.
By developing good relationship with Russia, India forced Afghanistan not to develop close relationship with Pakistan.India used Hindu minority and ethnocentric Bengalese of East Pakistan as their lever, for making propaganda for Bengali Language and Economic and Political Exploitation of Bengalese by West Pakistani Dictators, and moreover use military force by taking advantage of internal strife created by Chronic Alcholic Bhutto and Yahya between East and Pakistan with the sole goal to divide Pakistan and Muslims.
Although India has huge Muslim Population as minority,but on other side having very cordial military relation with Israel which is the No.1 enemy of Muslims.
From above examples it is crystal clear that biased Hindu leadership do not want to see Muslims to prosper, to progress,and to be united.
From above examples and experiences it is confirmed and proved that although Jinnah took 30 years( From (1890-1918, when he was popular as ambassodor of Hindu Muslim Unity) in understanding the biased mentality and narrow minded enemity with muslims.At present and in future any sensible person should not take more than a fraction of second in making decisions with reference to biased mentality and narrow minded enemity against Muslims of biased Hindu India Leadership.Posted 3 months ago on 14 Feb 2012 9:01 # -
shafiq12
memberIs writing M. or Mohd for Muhammad correct? Please reply ASAP. Thanks.
You can write whatever you want, but deeds depend upon the intentions, i means, it depends upon your intentions with what intention you're writing the name. If you have no intention of Prophet Muhammad in writing that name, it doesn't matter. If you place Muhammad with your name because of Prophet Muhammad then you should respect you name and don't write M. Mohd. I hope it would be clear you.
Posted 3 months ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:03 # -
shafiq12
memberM. Akram
here you're contradicting Zia, Zia wanted a state which wasn't supposed to be democratic. The main purpose of creation of Pakistan was to divide indian muslim into blocks so they couldn't unite again and Quid e Azam had done a great job in fulfilling their objective.Posted 3 months ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:06 # -
Zia dedication with democracy is obvious from the facts that
In his era elections were hold with a ratio of one election per two years, most of the present day politicians are the product Zia era.Not a single election held in Zia era was declared as rigged one.
System of non party basis elections and Majlise Shoora are the examples of Zia innovations.
A standard was developed for the calibre of candidates.
A referendom was held in his era for opinion of peoples.
After Zia era PPP was never able to gain 50% seats in assemblies till today.
Although Bhutto appointed Zia as Chief of army staff, But Zia never took it as an excuse for accepting Bhutto malpractices.
Although Junejo was appointed by Zia,But Zia never took it as an excuse for accepting Junejo failures where national interest were involved, that is the reason that we want leader who should be selfless, a leader like Zia should not take care of any personnel favoritism and interest with reference to national interest, as present corrupted leaders are trying to protect each others.
Jinnah created unity between muslims of India, due to which a country Pakistan on the map of earth appeared which was having thousands miles distance, there was no nation in past and nor will be in future of having such geography which was created on the basis of human brotherhood and unity of muslims by Jinnah.Posted 3 months ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:38 # -
shafiq12
memberm akram
Zia wanted to form a theocratic state, President Zia-ul-Haq has attempted to create a society based on theocracy. There is difference between theocracy and democracy, Don't mix both conceptPosted 3 months ago on 14 Feb 2012 10:58 # -
shafiq12
memberM Akram
Zia and Quaid both are different person, Quid e Azam was against theocratic state, he wanted a democratic state, on the other hand zia attempted to create a society purely based on theocracy. I have no idea how are placing both person at same line. perhap you should read history. It will help you. I mean you are very weak in historyPosted 3 months ago on 15 Feb 2012 6:39 # -
Mr.Oblivion Zia never said that he want to creat Therocratic state, Infact he tried to creat an Islamic state on the basis of Islamic principles and Islam is not a theocracy, but infact the most modern and recoganised religion of the world and of 97% Pakistanies.
Posted 3 months ago on 15 Feb 2012 7:03 # -
shafiq12
memberm. akram
Theocracy refers to "rule of God" and Democracy refers to "rule of People". Islamic state should be governed by God through his message "Quran"/Shariat. I mean, in islam, ultimate authority belongs to God whereas in democracy people are ultimate in their powers, They can amend even God's law. But in islamic state you're not allowed to change God laws... Zia attempted to create a theocratic state in which laws were made according to principle of Islam. I have no idea how are you trying to relate his state with Democracy. Quid e Azam, on the other hand supported democracy and he wished Pakistan as democratic state. Zia goes against the will of Quid. Both are two different personality.
Posted 3 months ago on 15 Feb 2012 7:12 # -
Both Jinnah and Zia tried to creat a system on the basis of teaching of Islam as directed by the God, therefore it is the basic principle of Constitution of Pakistan that no law can be framed which is against Sunnah and Quran.Islam creat a social system based as per the direction of God, otherwise no one will follow the laws which have been framed by their human fellows but every one follow Directions and teaching of Islam, for example large number of muslims say prayer five times daily, but very few people do exercise even single time daily as per advices and directions of health professional and physicians.Human being easily violate and dont follow advices of other people but they dont ignore Gods orders and teachings.
Conclusion: People follow their religion teachings and God orders more obediently, while naturally they are hostile and non compliant to the laws made by their freinds are people like themselves.For example even the member of parliaments and demcratically elected ministers do not follow even their self made laws and dont pay taxes which were imposed by themselves.Posted 3 months ago on 15 Feb 2012 9:08 # -
shafiq12
memberM.Akram
Both Jinnah and Zia tried to creat a system on the basis of teaching of Islam as directed by the God,
M Akram, Jinnah didn't want that pakistan should govern by divine guidance. He supported democracy i.e,it's will of people whether they wish religious laws or not. On the other hand, Zia went against democracy as he created a state which was based on divine guidance not by the will of People. Both are different person and both had used different approach. Either you can say apporach of Quiad was Islamic or approach of zia was. You can't both tried to create system, If you say so then you are contradicting both personalties.
For example i give you simple example
The law of 1973 was framed against sunnah. Many muslims take that Pakistan's constitution (1973) is based on Islam. The constitution of 1973 isn't based on Islam. It goes against islam.Posted 3 months ago on 15 Feb 2012 9:28 # -
Further in Afghanistan small, unorganised,POOR,WEAK AND isolated Taliban group was able to totally elimiate and annihilate production of poppy by convicing farmers with reference to teaching of their religion but A super power USA,NATO and UN have totally failed in achieving the same results.
All this show that when we place some religion or God teaching the people follow those teachings, otherwise people dont care about people made laws and convert them selves to beast which is obvious by the phenomena of target killings in Karachi and murders of muslims and force evacuations of muslims from their homes in Palestine,Kashmir,Afghanistan, Bosnia by Israel,USA and India.Posted 3 months ago on 15 Feb 2012 9:31 # -
shafiq12
membertaliban created/supported a theocratic society. if you appreciate taliban then it means you're indirectly criticizing Jinnah. If you criticize Jinnah, it means Pakistan doesn't need people like Jinnah. How's that
Posted 3 months ago on 15 Feb 2012 9:39 # -
quaidkamazaar
Memberhahahahahahhahahahah
did someone just say ZIA was most succesful ruler of Pakistan?
lol... i cannot believe it.
Posted 3 months ago on 17 Feb 2012 0:41 # -
Yes Ameerul Momineen General Zia was most successfulruler of Pakistan and rule for longest time, because he was able to rule Pakistan till his Shahadat.
He was the greatest ruler because he tried to creat a system on the basis of Islamic laws.
He was the greatest self discipline ruler because he used to say prayer 5 times a day, a characteristics usually not found in other rulers.Posted 3 months ago on 17 Feb 2012 11:11 # -
shafiq12
memberM.Akram
Yes Ameerul Momineen General Zia was most successfulruler of Pakistan and rule for longest time, because he was able to rule Pakistan till his Shahadat.
اس وقت کون سے مومن تھے جو ضیاء کے انڈر کام کر رہے تھا ... ضیاء ایک جنرل تھا جس برٹش آرمی قانون کے تحت جنریلی حاصل کی ، اگر وہ واقعے ہی مومن تھا تو آرمی کا نظام کیوں نہ بدلہ اس نہ ...
Posted 3 months ago on 17 Feb 2012 11:18 #
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