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PAKISTAN was built on the basis of two Nation Theory

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  1. umal
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    PAKISTAN was built on the basis of two Nation Theory,
    so plz! take care of this theory.
    We as Muslims are different from them!
    Not to Copy them!
    Not to follow them!

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 10:22 #
  2. @umal
    Welcome to pkpolitics 'discuss' forum and 'Jashn-e-Azadi Mubarak ho'.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 11:01 #
  3. yahya
    Member

    "PAKISTAN was built on the basis of two Nation Theory"

    and

    "We as Muslims are different from them!"

    Can we now give non-Muslims of the country a separate homeland on the basis of two nation theory?

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 12:26 #
  4. IJay
    member

    YES IF THE HAVE MAJORITY! MAJORITY RULES IN DEMOCRACY!

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 12:27 #
  5. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    yahya,

    good question,

    but it has an answer to it.

    two-nation theory does have room for minorities still. there cant be 100% hindu state, and 100% muslim state and 100% christian state. there is a bit of mixing even in 2 nation theory. hope it answers your query.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 12:30 #
  6. yahya
    Member

    @IJay:

    What has majority got to do with two nation’s theory? Two nations (one majority other minority) who are different so both get their own homelands. Nothing to do with democracy.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 12:31 #
  7. IJay
    member

    ha ha first go and read 23 MARCH RESOLUTION!

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 12:33 #
  8. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    there is one majority muslim nation called Pakistan,
    there is one majority hindu nation called India,

    this is what two-nation theory is.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 12:37 #
  9. yahya
    Member

    "two-nation theory does have room for minorities still."

    Before that you need to see how two nation theory came about. One group (majority) demonstrates they are unwilling to accept minority as equals. "We as Muslims are different from them!" is saying the same. Remember that India is not part of the equation anymore; it’s an internal Pakistani issue now. Think of Pakistan as combined India of previous days. Question is; do we have one nation or still there are two nations? If it’s later then there is still a case of a separate homeland if majority is not willing to accept minority as equal. Remember that’s what we said when we wanted separate homeland so this is not such preposterous.

    India I think has gotten over this by considering all citizens equal under law. At least that’s the theory; don’t know how it actually panned out in reality. May be an Indian could comment.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 12:44 #
  10. @yahya
    Two nation theory is based on the facts of 'hindu nation' and a 'Muslim nation' and that Muslims cannot live and will not live under a clear hindu majority.
    Referendoms and voting forced the British to divide the subcontinent into Hindu majority India and Muslim majority Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 12:50 #
  11. amin1924
    member

    There are hints and evidences from british/american historians on dividing the sub-continent as part of british plan. After world war II, it was also british plan to divide and leave which is consistent with what they did in other parts of the world.

    They crushed cruelly the rebellions especially of 1857 when they were on the peak. But after world war II they needed exit strategy.

    Contemporary historians such as ian talbot, ayesha jalal et all have talked about it, but these researches are not taught in our schools.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 12:58 #
  12. @JJ Khan
    Researchers are not taught in schools is correct but than one can upgrade his/her quest for knowledge through so many other ways, if one is interested enough to do so!

    The British were worn off through their participation in the world wars 1 and 2 both and thus were in a state to go for partition, unlike when they opposed the rebellion of 1857.

    However they did not forget or fail (being very honest and true to their nature) create further 'hotspots' as future 'markets through exploitation' like NS koreas, Gibraltar, India Pakistan-Kashmir, Israel, Hongkong, Falklands etc.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 13:07 #
  13. IJay
    member

    jj khan

    Paksitsn was created on 1947 and it will be there till end of this world.i don't know why people like you still disputing creation of pakistan.what is done is done and will not be
    reverted back.If you think that this way any one can pave way for re-union or confederation of india and pakistan like east and west germany is only day dreaming.India and pakistan will never be united again in this world.

    I think this debate is just waste of time another attempt to
    proof creation of pakistan was wrong!

    MODS please close this thread! this debate will end nowhere!

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 13:08 #
  14. amin1924
    member

    semirza

    Spot on!

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 13:09 #
  15. izbaek
    Blocked

    2 nation theory shattered with death of jinnah and was further shattered after creation of bangladesh

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 20:28 #
  16. @izbaek
    I am warning you, being an Indian do not comment on Pakistan and its integrity. You are allowed here not just to say anything you fancy.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 20:33 #
  17. izbaek
    Blocked

    sorry if that hurt few of you, but this explains it all

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Nation_Theory

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 20:35 #
  18. Adonis
    Member

    2 nation theory died a logical death when Bangladesh became a part of india, thus joining their bengali brethren in "mahan bharat".. !!!!!

    Now bangladeshis are living happily as indians !!!!

    P.S: If dreams could be horses, fools could ride them.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 20:36 #
  19. @Adonis
    That was the actual plan that backfired. Now fencing of the eastern border is going on. I hope it is successful.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Aug 2009 21:35 #
  20. Pakistan is not 2 Nations theory but still I wonder why White color holds up in our flag, as much we give equal rights to hindu's and other religions they don't to muslim, what happened in India in 2002 Gujrat and after 23/11 Mumbai with muslims seriously I cannot take their mess anymore .

    Thank God Pakistan Is Muslim state and it should give space to those who doesn't respect other ritual and beliefs specially hindu's ! better live as pakistani or go to india .

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Aug 2009 7:52 #
  21. amin1924
    member

    Of course Pakistan is not 2 Nation theory.

    The 2 Nation Theory was justification to divide sub-continent.

    Muslims were greatly cheated by british/hindu collaboration or else Pakistan would have been at least 50% of sub-continent!

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Aug 2009 7:56 #
  22. Muslims weren't minority , they ruled over india for centuries than what made 50 percent into 27 percent of India ? PAKISTAN

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Aug 2009 8:07 #
  23. amin1924
    member

    Faree Imaan,

    Muslims were never a majority through out their rule of 800+ rule??

    Hindus loved to serve under Muslims because of great leadership & administration of Muslims. Hindus were never descriminated by Muslims.

    Hindus fought along with Muslims against british invaders, but then british sowed the hatred through conspiracies and had them fight.....

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Aug 2009 8:11 #
  24. latentry
    Member

    Two nation theroy went down the drain after creation of Bangladesh

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Aug 2009 9:03 #
  25. yahya
    Member

    This article gives one version of PK history. Worth a read.

    Islam and the Paths of Pakistan’s Political Development

    Summary:

    - National identity remains a very serious issue in Pakistan today. There has never been a clear answer to the question of how many nations live within the country — one or more.

    - The constitutional process, accompanied by tensions in communal relations, bears witness to serious ideological differences in society over the role religion should play in social and political life.

    - Pakistan’s Islamization, through giving traditional Muslim standards legal force, has not been completed, but many traditional standards have now been written into law and have thus become an integral part of the country’s political and legal system.

    - Solutions to Pakistan’s problems should be based on comprehensive approaches that avoid experiments with Islam — one of the foundations of Pakistan’s statehood — and emphasize administrative, social, economic, and security issues.

    Excerpt:

    One nation or two?

    Pakistan appeared on the world map in 1947, as a result of the Muslim League’s struggle for a Muslim state. The party’s ideology was based on the theory that India was home to two nations — Hindus and Muslims. But after the establishment of the Pakistani sovereign state, its leader, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, tried to introduce the idea of a single Pakistani nation, saying, “Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.”

    http://www.carnegie.ru/en/pubs/briefings/Topychkanov_Briefing_Eng.pdf

    Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 17:19 #
  26. talalkhan
    Member

    semirza
    You are oversimplifying.One side of story is the clash of egos between Jinnah,Nehru and Gandhi.Two nation theory was first floated by Lala Lajpat Rai(Mubarik Ali historian).Nehru was in favour of pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 17:36 #
  27. Sorry, I dont agree with you. I am aware of this whole historical episode, and the actors who staged this drama of subcontinental division. Sorry I have to go. Some other time.

    Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 17:44 #
  28. Anonymous

    @semirza

    You stated that
    ……Two nation theory is based on the facts of 'hindu nation' and a 'Muslim nation' and that Muslims cannot live and will not live under a clear hindu majority……

    But Muslims, having more population than the population of Pakistan, are living under clear Hindu majority. Should they start another movement according to your theory?

    Second, If we fall under the category of ‘Muslim Nation’ theory, then why is there a ‘revolt in the making’ in the province of Balochistan. Ethnic and cultural values are over-powering the religious values there.

    Posted 2 years ago on 17 Aug 2009 20:04 #
  29. ask the indian muslims ...
    ask the residents of Ahmedabad ...
    and they will tell you ...
    how true two nation theory was ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 10:41 #
  30. On 'Two Nation theory' my reply is sufficient inspite of its brevity.

    Muslims who opted to stay behind preferred to be Indian Citizens. Nothing to do with Pakistan.

    Baluchistan appraisal is a proven fact of Indian interference into Pakistani Internal Affairs. Not related to the two Nation theory as the hindu element is missing. I will take it as a distraction.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 Aug 2009 17:14 #

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