Irony... or frustration of a close mind society?
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=30056
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/
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Pakistan world leader in porn searches: Google - Irony or frustration?
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SugerMint
MemberPosted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 5:07 # -
@sugerMint ,
after reading the piece of news ;two immediate and totally opposite responses came to my mind ...1. yes ,Pakistani society has been suffocated and here many men i have seen around are depressed or frustrated due to their crazy needs not getting fulfilled .
in Northern areas , homosexual practices are eminent as their women are in their houses ...
in modern ,educated environments like offices and banks ,i have seen mentally sick men searching these kinda things ...even my own company lap top use to be with a gentle man who left and lap top has been given to me by the company .
and Google search bar history is filled up with porn searches and suggestions ....
i had to cleaned up the history before using it ...2. another response to this news was totally opposite of the above ....
that since Facebook was banned for a while in Pakistan.
international media was badly hit by the financial set back and now they are taking out their frustration by filing that kinda reports ...a well organized and well thought long term plan is on from international media to defame Pakistan .
as Pakistan 's reactions on different blasphemous acts all over the world ,brought financial problems to many countries and many site owners ...two sides of a same picture ...now we have to decide ...which one is right ???
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 7:16 # -
similar thread opened by Shock .
i am merging it here ...This is Pakistan
(3 posts)1.
Shock
MembersWarning: explicit material
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks#p/u/16/TxZASmEiikg
Gee I was against banning sites because I believed in freedom, but now I think they should definitely ban sites.
Posted 1 day ago on 14 Jul 2010
2.hariskhan
memberAssalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
This is absolute BS!.
Looks more like they are making fun of;
(1) Arabs
(2) Muslims
(3) people of PakistanSeems as though they have nothing better to report.
Posted 1 day ago on 14 Jul 2010 7:00
3.pakistani47
MemberHere is another link similar to yours all this indicate just a propaganda for demoralizing ourselves.
Posted 23 hours ago on 14 Jul 2010 8:08
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 7:38 # -
Hussain Farooqui
MemberModerate style living is the best style of living. I have personally seen the societies where religious restrictions make the people badly frustrated to get involved in sinful acts. Pakistani society is also a moderate society. It is neither open like UAE nor close like Saudi Arabia.
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 7:51 # -
shirazi
MemberOn one end we are fighting for niqab, hijab, islamization, jihad, most suicide attacks and on the other we are most curious about porn. Why do we have to occupy extreme slots? Why can't we stay some where in the middle?
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 13:34 # -
@Shirzi,
because its always easier to be on the extreme...
u know ...
making a balance between two extreme is quite difficult .
and people tend to choose the easy way out ,
one extreme or the other ...Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 13:45 # -
People who think that the most liberal society don't watch or search for porn are just deceiving themselves. Organized orgies, Drug/Drink-rape is a common thing (though very under reported due to obvious reasons)
Prostitution is legal but you still see the curb crawlers in every part of cities like london, Newyork, LA etc. Despite casinos, pubs,strip joints,escort services, there are still child molestation on the rise and every day there is some pedophile caught including their Priests. I am not trying to hide our filth but it will be nice that one can compare the two opposite words too.
Welsh are famous for animal (Sheep) sex and it has become a joke in UK. Ask any Gorra in UK if he is from Wales and you should see his face... Coming back to Pakistan, Northern areas are in every way less privileged (thank God for it) when it comes for the availability of Alcohol or prostitution but in cities like Islamabad, lahore and Karachi, students call girls are on the rise. My cousin who is a Cop in karachi, apprehended a group of young kids from DHA area (from filthy rich families including a daughter of a famous politician) who were involved in high value prostitution. My point is, lets not hide our filth but don't forget that this is an international problem and not just a localized pakistani issue.Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 13:59 # -
Had their topic been "countries that MAKE the most porn" which includes bestiality and rape pornography, they'd be exposing themselves.
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 17:08 # -
LiberalKarachi
MemberTo be fair that is simply because Pakistanis or Muslims don't use the "crude" words. For instance, instead of using "porn" Pakistanis and muslims probably use "sex". Hence muslim countries will have a higher occurrence of sex-related words.
Having said that, this paragraph disturbs me: "Pakistan is top dog in searches per-person for “horse sex” since 2004, “donkey sex” since 2007, “rape pictures” between 2004 and 2009, “rape sex” since 2004, “child sex” between 2004 and 2007 and since 2009, “animal sex” since 2004 and “dog sex” since 2005, according to Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate data based on popular search terms.
The country also is tops — or has been No. 1 — in searches for “sex,” “camel sex,” “rape video,” “child sex video” and some other searches that can’t be printed here."
People are actually searching for "Child sex"?? This is a very troubling trend and Pakistan is simply too inadequate to catch any sick paedophiles. Searches for animal sex arguably also indicates an overall increase in pervasiveness of the society.
Worst of all is that Pakistanis are too shy to discuss these topics out in public, leading to unawareness. I remember that there was a school in Karachi, which started giving basic sex education, and the parents were on an uproar about it unfortunetly.
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 18:08 # -
SugerMint
Member@ Beenai: "2. another response to this news was totally opposite of the above ....
that since Facebook was banned for a while in Pakistan.
international media was badly hit by the financial set back and now they are taking out their frustration by filing that kinda reports ...a well organized and well thought long term plan is on from international media to defame Pakistan ."
Difficult to buy this notion outside Pakistan, we are a very very smaller fish when it comes to revenue for these giants. Also, you can not make-up those numbers as anyone can verify the hits using Google analytic (a very commonly use tool to gauge the traffic and searches for websites).
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 19:22 # -
SugerMint
Member@ KHAN_Sahib: " My point is, lets not hide our filth but don't forget that this is an international problem and not just a localized pakistani issue."
Right on... agree, my question is "WHY" are "WE" leading the pack?
Beside, comparing us with west is not a response I am looking for in such matters. In west, we have adult video centers all around and watching a porn in not a taboo.
And if, one try to compare, then what is the lifestyle difference in a secularist society vs lifestyle in a society govern by religious values?
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 19:32 # -
hkbajwa
MemberWell i don't really think anybody here ought to be so terribly surprised.
Pakistani men and women have exactly the same sex drives as all other people in the world.
The difference however is that it is repressed, it is never talked about, adolescent boys and girls are never told what the hell is happening to their bodies or the desires that they feel and they are told from childhood that anything of a sexual nature must necessarily be disgusting, immoral and sinful.
OF COURSE they are going to utulize the only truly anonymous resource they have access to which is internet porn.
If sex education become a part of our school curriculum, if young people were allowed to understand their sexuality without the threat of condemnation or punishment according to the brain-dead hadood ordninance, they might not be frustrated enough to start exploring the deep, dark and perverted world of internet porn.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 0:06 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@hkbajwa: I'm sorry. The 'experiment' of sex education has already failed miserably in western countries.
We don't want to replicate the same nonsense here.
What I want to ask is, did you know this before I mentioned it just now .. or did my saying it 'reveal' this fact to you ?
I need to know this question, since your proposing this failed nonsense to be implemented within our society.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 0:14 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@SugerMint: If you want discussion on this topic, you need to make yourself as well as others aware of what goes on with people of Pakistan in many different ways on a daily basis.
This issue is simple, yet it can also get complex. Why ? Since 'many' 'factors' contribute to it, in a variety of ways.
Discussing this topic in isolation, while ignoring/not looking at the context in which this is happening inside Pakistan will not help us come to the right/education/informed conclusions, decisions, actions. It will leave us in a greater mess.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 0:18 # -
expakistani
MemberPakistan world leader... wow at least we are leader, what you guys rather like to see Pakistan world leader in bombing or porno search?
if you provide free internet and computers to madarasa i bet terrorist would be busy doing better things then killing innocent people.
all i have to say use computer with responsibility...The Ten Commandments of Computer Ethics:
1. Thou shalt not use a computer to harm other people.
2. Thou shalt not interfere with other people's computer work.
3. Thou shalt not snoop around in other people's computer files.
4. Thou shalt not use a computer to steal.
5. Thou shalt not use a computer to bear false witness.
6. Thou shalt not copy or use proprietary software for which you have not paid.
7. Thou shalt not use other people's computer resources without authorization or proper compensation.
8. Thou shalt not appropriate other people's intellectual output.
9. Thou shalt think about the social consequences of the program you are writing or the system you are designing.
10. Thou shalt always use a computer in ways that ensure consideration and respect for your fellow humans.Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 3:35 # -
SugerMint
Member@ hariskhan: We are not discussing issue in isolation.
Why don't you elaborate on "factors" contributing to the situation.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 3:39 # -
naseemkhanan
MemberOut of frustration obviously when the author had nothing else to come up with maligning Pakistan he started this thread.
I request Admin to take note of all these members who come here with only one aim in mind. To stir up controversies under a pretext of freedom of speech.Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 6:16 # -
khanseena1
Member@Naseem
This news is reality, if you choose to ignore it you do so at ur own peril.
We should look at the reasons our society indulges in such acts.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 6:19 # -
naseemkhanan
MemberGoogle data about Pak ranking in porn sites false
Written by (Author ) Pakistan Jul 17, 2010 The FOXNews report – quoting Google – that Pakistan is at No 1 in using porn sites at the Internet is false and showed inaccurate data when it comes to identifying searches from various regions, said Pakistan’s Internet association.
There are 1.5 to 1.8 billion Internet users worldwide and Pakistan has only 5 to 8 million Internet users, less than 0.5% of global users and Internet penetration is less than 5% of total population, Wahajus Siraj, spokesman for Internet Service Providers Association of Pakistan (ISPAK), said in a statement issued here on Friday.The FOXNews story refers to Google Insights and Google Trends, he said, adding, Google Trends shows the searches coming from countries as well as their cities. In some searches like “how to make bomb”, New Zealand ranks No 1 and one of its cities is at No 2. This shows that if a country is ranking number one in a global search, some its cities should also be among top ranking cities. But if someone searched “horse sex” as reported in the story, Pakistan is at the top whereas none of Pakistani city is among the top ten. Similarly if someone tries all other words reported in the story, Pakistan comes on top but its cities don’t come on the top 10. This means that this data is badly managed and fabricated.
He said that if one goes to Google Insight and uses key porn words as mentioned in the story, Pakistan comes on the top. But if word “optical fiber” is typed, Pakistan also comes at No 2. Not many Internet users even know what fiber optic means and have little interest in it. Similarly, if word “missile” is typed, Pakistan again comes on the top. For word “nuclear”, Pakistan is on top again. For word laser printer, Pakistan is on sixth ranking and for “wimax”, Pakistan is on 4th number.
Anyone having little knowledge can understand that not many Pakistanis would be using these sophisticated and high tech searches. This means that data and analysis of Google is false and not correct.
Now if someone is searching Google for a particular porn website, the user must be viewing that site. If websites with key words reported in the FOX story are searched in the Google and then their names are matched from the Google’s own record of users accessing that site from a particular country, those websites are not accessed from Pakistan but from the USA and other countries.
The data from another renowned ranking site, alexa.com, that ranks top sites accessed from a country does not show any pornographic site among top 40 websites frequently accessed from Pakistan. Top website accessed from Pakistan is Google, followed by Youtube, Facebook and others.
Siraj said: “We demand an immediate apology from FOXNews for exploiting the data to let 170 million Pakistani people down as part of wicked campaign against Pakistan and also from Google on showing these wrong statistics and to correct its indexing.
http://www.daily.pk/google-data-about-pak-ranking-in-porn-sites-false-19127/
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 6:44 # -
hkbajwa
Memberhariskhan
you do not have the exposure of other cultures whereby you could be qualified to dismiss sex education as a "nonsense experiment".
It is certainly not an "experiment" in any way. It is a basic part of the education of adolescents in europe. The objective of this education is not to make young people more promiscuous nor is it an attempt to trivialize sex in any way. It is a method whereby STD rates, unwanted pregnancies and the other dangers of sexual activity are controlled.
You also seem to be incapable of understanding that i am not proposing that Pakistan turn into a sexually promiscuous bordello. Nobody says that this sex education should not include awareness of the mental and spiritual repercussions of wanton promiscuity. In fact i think it is important to give such education in the context of pakistani and muslim culture.
However there is absolutely no doubt that the youth of Pakistan lacks even a basic understanding of the birds and bees. They do not know the dangers, nor the joys. They do not know that a libido is not an evil thing. They do not have the tools with which to guard themselves against unwanted pregnancies, nor diseases. They are being let down by the older generation as a result.
In the context of the ready availability of internet porn it is more important than EVER that kids are given a more realistic perspective of sex. Sex is nothing like the porn you find online, but for most young people in pakistan, internet porn is the only "education" they ever get about sex.
That is one of the reasons that husbands in pakistan have "chaste sex" with their wives, but crazy enjoyable sex with random women and even prostitutes. They simply do not understand how to develop a healthy sexual relationship with even their wives. As a result, pakistani wives end up being sexually starved and unsatisfied which is not only unfair, but also damamging to marital relationships.
I am not talking about sex education for the sake of promoting pre-marital sex. I am rather talking about a deeper understanding of sex. One in which it is respected as a meaningful aspect of a marital relationship. One in which young people are given an intellectual understanding of the changes their bodies are going through and the onset of their desires at puberty. I am talking about arming them so they understand that waiting for marriage is the healthiest and best thing they can do for themselves.
If you are idiotic enough to equate proper sex education with some promotion of promiscuity, it is merely an indication of how repressed your mind is and how incapable you are of viewing sex as anything but dirty and sinful.
Sex is not only the most basic of human instincts, it is also the most intimate and meaningful human experience that a couple can have together. Why the hell shouldn't young people be taught how to ensure its sanctity and how to keep it safe and healthy?
@ Naseem
The numbers revealed by this article are not new. Pakistan has had the highest number of sex related searches in the world per capita for several years now. Instead of the ignorant knee-jerk reaction that it's an attempt to "malign" pakistan, one should take these numbers as a sign of the sexual depravation and ignorance that our societal silence and repression has created.
It is clear that a repressive society in no way manages to control the sexual urges of its people, and that clearly a new tactic is required. In stead of acting like an ostrich and digging our collective heads into the sand, the adults of this country should build up the courage to speak to the youth so they do not have to deal with the same sexual dangers, prejudices and ignorance that their elders did.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 10:47 # -
naseemkhanan
Member@hkbajwa
The numbers churned out by Google and fox news are false and yet another negative propaganda campaign against Pakistan.What you call sexual deprivation in our repressive society is alien to you therefore not easily understood. Well laid for us is this guidance through our Deen to follow and we are clearly asked to abide by segregation of sexes.
As a fact there is no culture called American culture or western culture because west and the westernized have lost it since some times now when they destroyed their family norms under the so called feminists movements. Women did gained freedom (your type of freedom) but not before being exploited ending up nothing more than a showpiece.
If not than why you have child pregnancies, children born out of wedlock, common law marriage, sky high divorce rate, single parents, foster homes, marriages based on unnatural bondage, increasing homeless, shelters, soup kitchens, Golden Age Homes?
Ask the lucky ones brought over to a golden age home because this is a respect your non-repressive society has for the elderly (if not kicked out to prowl the streets as homeless) to breathe their last away from their loved ones. Ask them what they think of family values and norms and what ultimately happens to the products of a free society.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 11:44 # -
achtung
Memberobservers say internet club business successfull only because youth go there. 95% of these youth watch porn sites in internet cafes.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 11:53 # -
hkbajwa
MemberNaseem
Clearly you also have a rosy yet completely unrealistic perspective of pakistani sexuality.
The Deen of Islam is quite clear regarding the sexual rights of women and men. A spouse cannot deny conjugal relations to their other half. In fact lack of sexual relations is a valid reason for divorce for a woman. In Umar's time men who were out on a military campaign were required to go back home on a regular basis since their women were entitled to love, sharing and intimacy with their husbands.
what you don't seem to understand is that this is precisely what i propose be taught to young people. That their sexuality is not a vile instinct to be denied but a right to be claimed.
You point to the teenage pregnancies, divorce rates and what not of the "west" as proof that the current "head-in-the-sand" method of Pakistan is "superior". Clearly you ignore the 100,000 plus unsanitary and deadly abortions that take place in this country annually (you are welcome to check the figures with the PMA). You completely deny the prevalence of second and third marriages by men without the knowledge of the first wife. You deny the increase of divorce rates in pakistan inspite of our restrictive practices. What about the innnumerable elderly laborers, beggars and invalids who have no family or fortune to tide them through their senior years in pakistan (you see them every day of your life on the streets in our cities). These negative influences that you so readily point to in the "west" are no more and no less prevalent in our society.
Now mind you, the figures pointed to are not false. I realize your head-in-the-sand attitude immediately makes you deny them so you don't have to deal with the repercussions of accepting what they signify. However it does not change reality. Internet sex is the only type of exposure young people in pakistan get to sex and that is tragic. This is exposure and learnin g they should be receiving from their elders and experiences they should be having with their wives and husbands.
I don't understand why you are talking about the destruction of family norms? I am talking about PROTECTING and PRESERVING family norms by bringing young people away from internet porn and towards a deeper understanding of the seriousness and sanctity of sexual relations.
I may have lived in a sexually "liberated" environment but i know that i am not only more sexually faithful and caring to my wife than the average man of pakistan, but i am also more aware of how to protect my children from the perversity and inhumanity of internet pornography.
Denying reality, silencing debate and ignoring the sexual troubles of its youth is rpecisely what landed the "west" in the promiscuous, overly sexualized and unfaithful society in which they live. And it was the extreme opposition to extreme conservatism that led to the trivialization and commercialization of sex.
If pakistan developed a more mature and serious (not oppressice) relationship with sex, it would be able to prevent the inevitable decline of our society into "western" conditions.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 12:58 # -
toamin
memberlolzz.. search results make Pakistan 'leader' but what about those LEADERS who produce them, any ranking for them plzzz??
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 13:20 # -
Its an utter BS ANYWAY.
We don't have that many horses and camels so it's very odd that we lead this group though I would imagine that Welsh should have topped Sheep and Arabs in camel and Pakistani as Donkey group but if you put your mind to it... The People in Pakistan who would fantasize donkeys or People in Arab countries, who will fantasize Camels won't have the necessary education/skill of either using internet or they won't have the luxury of internet to begin with. Also a country where there is no "Electricity" almost 10 to 18 hours (Average duration across pakistan), how can they access the internet? Then as stated in above article, the percentage of people who have access to internet is smaller then the smallest state of USA....
Sometimes, I do pity those people who come up with these stupid "facts'Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 13:34 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@hkbajwa: I know what 'sex education' is.
I will repeat: I'm sorry. The 'experiment' of sex education has already failed miserably in western countries.
We don't want to replicate the same nonsense here.
I will add that, it has not only failed, it has further exacerbated the situation.
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In your post, you are contradicting your own words, within the same paragraph. Hypocr|sy doesn't hide.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 13:38 # -
toamin
memberkhan_sahib i like your imagination :)
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 13:48 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@SugerMint: Injustice is the reason. To put it in a nutshell;
(1) Lack of general availability of justice
(2) Social injustice
(3) Financial injustice
(4) Political injustice
(5) Accepting western standards, without questioning it, without realizing its outcome
(6) Accepting western way of life 'blindly', without questioning it, without realizing its outcome
(7) lack of establishment of norms of goodness
(8) etc etcare the reasons contributing to problems we are facing inside Pakistan.
I have exams to prepare for. I can't go into details right now.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 13:55 # -
@Salam... Do you just like it or agree as well... :-)
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 13:59 # -
hkbajwa
Memberhariskhan
No dear friend you obvisouly have NO IDEA what sex education is.
It is because your mind like so many of your madrassa brethren is so repressed that it can view sex and sexuality only in beastly, aggressive and disgusting terms.
Sex education is about preventing precisely your type of repressive sexuality and the aggression it causes while at the same time arming young people with the tools to prevent them sinking into the aggressive promiscuity and sexualization of the west.
Sex education in the west is not to make kids have more sex, but rather to make kids value themselves, their sexuality and make them think twice, thrice and four times before they engage in any sexual experience.
Sex education is about encouraging kids to only have sex when it's meaningful, to avoid exploitation and to restrict themselves to their life-long partner.
Your madrassa education has not armed you with the tools to comment on the objective, nature and viability of sex education so i suggest you keep silent and learn.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 14:06 # -
hkbajwa
Memberhariskhan
It's very easy for you to claim that i have contradicted myself, but as always completely impossible fro you explain how.
If you are going to accuse me of hypocrisy please have the decency to quote the alleged hypocrisy so i may explain to you how you obvisouly haven't been able to understand what i am saying.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 14:09 # -
naseemkhanan
MemberAyen bain our shain is what you have left. Don't change the subject.
I know what you confessed about yourself since you started posting here. Keeping that in mind you are nobody to debate our faith when you are not from our faith.
Want to learn then behave as one who wants to learn.
We are better off having our heads in sands and not in muck like the westernized brown sahibs have.Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 14:15 # -
zia m
MemberI liked the following comment on another website.
FOX looked up some keywords on Google Trends. So I did the same and found these interesting tidbits:
1. On searches for "horse sex" worldwide, Finland ranks 4, Australia 6, Denmark 8, US 9, Canada 10.
2. On "violent rape", Belgium is 3, Australia 4, Canada 6, UK 7, US 8, France 9, Italy 10.
3. On "dog sex", Australia is 5, US 6, Canada 7, Finland 8, UK 9, Hungary 10.
4. On "sheep sex", Ireland is 1, New Zealand 2, Australia 3, UK 4, US 5, Canada 6.
5. On "child rape", US is 7, New Zealand 8, Australia 9, Canada 10.
6. On "child porn", New Zealand is 3, Australia 6, Canada 7, Norway 8, US 10.
7. On "pregnant rape", UK is 2, US 3, Canada 4, Germany 5.
Note that these are English search terms, so non-English speaking countries (at least on the Internet), are less likely to show. Pakistanis on the Internet use English (despite limited average proficiency and vocabulary); it's more surprising to see the French and Italians searching for "violent rape".
The search for "camel sex" understandably brings in Israel, UAE and Saudi Arabia in the top 10, but also Portugal and Switzerland. People in the Alps dreaming of **** camels? Go figure!
Posted by: Namit | Jul 14, 2010 12:58:40 PM
I'm disappointed that a fine page like 3Quarks is mucking about in illegitimate news sources for a bawdy curio.
Posted by: JIMBO | Jul 14, 2010 1:42:06 PM
Your source is Fox "News", the worldwide leader in anti-Muslim agitprop?
Posted by: Fred | Jul 14, 2010 3:20:24 PM
An old old story, oing back to Victorian story and porn: suppression begets lust that seeks an outlet...but leave it to Fox to bother to dig this up about Muslims in Pakistan. But they have nor such worry at their station. Touting family values, they manage to get hot blondes with very short dresses to dish out the news.
Posted by: fred lapides | Jul 14, 2010 3:26:49 PM
This is, hands down, the stupidist post I've come across on 3QD. Bravo, Abbas. What's next? Links to the National Inquirer? By the way, the number one city for horse and donkey sex searches is Delhi. Check out the trends for violent rape.
Posted by: HMN | Jul 14, 2010 3:49:02 PM
1. Is this true, or did you find it on Fox?
2. So what?
3. This swill is unworthy of 3QD.
Posted by: Alan | Jul 14, 2010 4:45:44 PM
Ok, let’s say that I decided to study the frequency of keyword searches as a scholar might, and then see what conclusions are warranted from it. I will need to do at least the following:
1. First, I’ll need to normalize the searches across languages, across equivalent terms used in, say, Russian, Italian, Serbian, etc.
2. Then I’ll need to normalize across the demographics of Internet users. If males dominate Internet use in a country, might they be skewing their country’s per capita occurrence of certain search terms? In Pakistan, males outnumber females by more than 3:1 for regular use and 7:1 for occasional use of the Internet.
3. Then I’ll need to normalize for how integrated the Internet is in a culture’s way of life – do people widely turn to it to look up kebab joints, street maps, movies, sports, and banking, or is it still early days – not enough local info online yet and people prefer newspapers, radio, TV, and word-of-mouth, perhaps it’s still a relatively novel and foreign import, with porn being much more of a “killer app” at this stage.
And so on. Then I might begin to have some apples-to-apples data. Making sense of it and drawing reliable conclusions about, say, sexual repression will be my next challenge.
Posted by: Namit | Jul 14, 2010 6:16:37 PM
Reading some comments here, i thought of a (Chinese?) proverb… "When the finger points out at the moon, the idiot looks at the finger".
Posted by: jean-paul | Jul 14, 2010 6:29:45 PM
This may very well be an accurate glimpse into the minds of religious fundamentalists. How often do Christian fundamentalists bring up "sex with dogs" in response to the topic of homosexual marriage? I always sensed they were telling us more than we want to know about the repressed parts of their own psyches.
Posted by: Susan | Jul 14, 2010 8:00:27 PM
Quoting Alan:
"Is this true, or did you find it on Fox?"
Quoting HMN:
"This is, hands down, the stupidist post I've come across on 3QD. Bravo"
Quoting Fred:
"Your source is Fox "News", the worldwide leader in anti-Muslim agitprop?"I think that about covers it.
As for the Chinese proverb "When the finger points out at the moon, the idiot looks at the finger".
Call me an idiot but Fox News is no ordinary finger, and it is usually not pointing out the moon but some sludge in the depth of the sewer...saying "your sewer is dirtier than mine"...so its not the same really.
Why is Fox news so worked up over the banning of websites in Pakistan? I find the whole idea of using the (bad, bad, bad) web-surfing habits of Pakistanis as an argument against the banning of websites completely absurd. There can be many much saner arguments against that action of the government, but of course Fox news is interested only in mud-slinging, true to its yellow journalistic standards.Posted by: NB | Jul 14, 2010 9:56:47 PM
Susan,
This is anything but "an accurate glimpse into the minds of religious fundamentalists" (which I would love to get, by the way). This only measures per-capita occurrence of certain search keywords out of the country of Pakistan. The two are not the same.
Consider the following:
-- Only 11 out of 100 Pakistanis use the Internet (as of 2009). That means 89 out of 100 are not represented at all in Google Trends!
-- Almost all of these 11 are urban folks who clearly earn enough to afford Internet access and private living spaces, speak English, and are likely among the best educated group in Pakistan.
-- Out of these 11 users, about 9 are men, 2 women (might be even more skewed). Google Trends measures the searches from this group of 11 and considers them representative of all Pakistanis.
I suspect that if these 11 users were evenly distributed by gender, we'd see Pakistani per capita porn searches to be more like those of Texans and Aussies (which are evenly distributed by gender).
Posted by: Namit | Jul 14, 2010 11:40:43 PM
Thanks, Namit; I accept your correction. The statistics you cite are interesting in the same tantalizing, jigsaw-puzzle-pieces way that Harper's Index was.
If you would like to learn a little more about the mind of the Christian fundamentalist, Walter A. Davis wrote a nice analysis for Counterpunch a few years ago: The Psychology of Christian Fundamentalism
Posted by: Susan | Jul 15, 2010 12:47:32 AM
Susan, thanks -- I'm scared to read it already. Karen Armstrong's _The Battle for God_ looks hard at what fundamentalists of all stripes have in common.
Namit, while you are at least as creative as anyone around here, you also have the kind of mind I'd like to live in for a week -- everything would be much clearer with the approach you demonstrated above. Apart from being appalled and offended at the way the story seemed to "other" Pakistanis, and fashion them to appear, as a nation, to like bestiality at least in fantasy, I did not have the tools to know what to make of what I read. "You could prove this crap was idiotic," I was thinking. But, how? Thanks!!!
Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jul 15, 2010 2:07:41 AM
"-- Almost all of these 11 are urban folks who clearly earn enough to afford Internet access and private living spaces, speak English, and are likely among the best educated group in Pakistan. "
In India, it seems that there are more rural users than urban users now. Does anybody have the figures for Pakistan?Posted by: gaddeswarup | Jul 15, 2010 3:55:25 AM
gaddeswarup:
I provided a link above for Pakistan. Here it is again. Look at chart 4 (and 5). Urban males users of the Internet outnumber rural ones by more then 10:1.
I am surprised by your claim about India. Can you provide any sources? As of 2009, only 7 out of 100 Indians were Internet users. At least in 2008, according to this report, 82% were in cities, 18% rural. Similar to Pakistan, over 80% were men.
Thanks, Elatia. :)
Posted by: Namit | Jul 15, 2010 4:34:27 AM
Namit,
I too was surprised by this report:
http://trak.in/tags/business/2010/04/07/internet-usage-india-report-2010/
I do not how reliable it is. I will enquire when I visit in August. I usually visit villages in coastal Andhra.Posted by: gaddeswarup | Jul 15, 2010 7:03:26 AM
Religious Conservatives Love Online Porn
Posted by: Dave Ranning | Jul 15, 2010 10:16:24 AM
gaddesswarup:
Thanks. The simple explanation is that the report has a plainly false title. It classifies as "rural" all the towns/cities that have a population of less than half-a-million! Even so, they make up 36% of users, not a majority. The entire report is here.Dave:
The page you linked to has none of the following words: "conservatives", "online", "love", or "porn". You have suggested that religiosity increases porn use. You need to substantiate this claim.Posted by: Namit | Jul 15, 2010 11:15:39 AM
"ISLAMABAD: Google officially denied the accuracy of its search trends that declared Pakistan as the top nation searching for illicit material on the internet, according to Dawn sources."
Perhaps FOX needs to hire better sniffing dogs...if of course its interested in anything more than just maligning those its owners do not like very much, which apparently is all that it is interested in doing.
Way to go 3QD...perhaps you will next publish the official press releases from the Ku Klux Klan
"ISLAMABAD: Google officially denied the accuracy of its search trends that declared Pakistan as the top nation searching for illicit material on the internet, according to Dawn sources."
I think FOX should hire some real good sniffing dogs if it is interested in anything more than maligning those its bosses do not like...which is perhaps asking too much of FOX
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 14:24 # -
toamin
membersure khan_sahib, i like your posts, hard to find flaws, i usually read them and do enjoy them :)
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 14:28 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@hkbajwa: I understand sex education. I already know as well as understand the definition your giving me.
I quote from this post above;
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You also seem to be incapable of understanding that i am not proposing that Pakistan turn into a sexually promiscuous bordello. Nobody says that this sex education should not include awareness of the mental and spiritual repercussions of wanton promiscuity. In fact i think it is important to give such education in the context of pakistani and muslim culture.
--------------------------------------------------------It is the age old way of working of Christians/Zionists/Unjust Jews i.e.,;
(1) first 'create' a problem yourself
(2) then be the one to offer solution(s) to the problem alsoThis charade won't work here.
Sadly, Christians/Zionists/Unjust Jews have turned this charade into a multi-m/billion dollar business/industry, all throughout the world.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 14:38 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@hkbajwa: You can continue this charade for as long as you like. It won't change the fact that sex education has failed miserably wherever it has been tried/used.
Rather it has contributed to exacerbating an already bad situation.
You may want to hide your charade behind the fact that we have all kinds of injustice within our borders. That won't help you establish case for sex education.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 14:40 # -
aftab arif
Member@ hariskhan
"You can continue this charade for as long as you like. It won't change the fact that sex education has failed miserably wherever it has been tried/used."
Agree with you on this. Its more of a joke and a laugh is sex education and is not taken seriously at all in school, most of the things they teach you are already known by the majority of children.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 14:49 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@KHAN_Sahib: The point on this thread is not to hide our own 'filth'.
The point being made on this thread is that Pakistan or its people are 'leaders' in searching for porn.
Please!. Let's not confuse the issue.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 14:49 # -
Khareeyat tou Hay Salam sahib... Itna Payyar? Bhai Sahib... May Khan_Sahib houn... HK Nahee.... lol j/k
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 14:57 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@zia m: Let me highlight the same in a more profound way;
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DAWN News: Pakistan top on porn search: Google deniesSaturday, 17 Jul, 2010
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Based on the wrong statistics, a number of foreign newspapers and websites started humiliating the Pakistani nation and even maligned the country’s name . — File PhotoISLAMABAD: Google officially denied the accuracy of its search trends that declared Pakistan as the top nation searching for illicit material on the internet, according to Dawn sources.
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--------------------------------------------------------------------There. That shows how 'FoxNews' lies to its viewers about Muslims, yet again.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 15:11 # -
Fox News is a Right wing paper with specific aim of criticizing Pakistan. Why doesn't Pakistan Embassy launch an action against Fox Newspaper for spreading misinformation?
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 21:32 # -
This is a sickening thread and should be closed. Shame on Google to inavde privacy of Internet users and then defame them according to their countries. Is watching porn a crime? If yes then it should not be available on Internet. Misuse of Internet has become so common and even bomb making techniques are available on Internet. Porn magazines are available in every News stand and buying them is not a crime for an adult. It is shame how they collect private data of Internet users to defame them later. Word privacy has become a joke and we are living in an electronic age where privacy is no more private.
Author is extremely biased toward Pakistan and someone should ask the author which country produces most of the porn?
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 21:46 #
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