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Pasha Arranged Imran's Secret Meeting with US Ambassador

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  1. Bawa
    Member

    LONDON: Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan was recently introduced to Cameron Munter, American Ambassador to Pakistan, in the presence of General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the ISI chief, according to sources, The Sunday Times reported. Imran Khan is said to have gained the backing of the country’s powerful security establishment, which has grown tired of the corruption pervading the two traditional political groupings, the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), led by President Asif Ali Zardari, and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), led by Nawaz Sharif, a former prime minister.

    Although they do not publicly admit to favouring any party, it is an open secret that the military leadership, and the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), are backing Imran Khan’s campaign, said The Sunday Times report.

    A senior official confirmed that he had the support of the army, but said his rise would cause more political damage to Sharif, the opposition leader and an outspoken military critic, than to the ruling PPP.

    Others view Imran Khan as a third force to break the dominance of Pakistan’s two largest parties. “Perhaps they think he will bring about cleaner and better-quality politics and put fresh life into the country,” said Talat Masood, a retired general. “The military are perturbed by the economy because that affects defence spending.”

    Imran Khan is reluctant to criticise the military establishment publicly, but he emphasises that he will not be a puppet of the generals. “Obviously you have to work with them but it doesn’t mean you have to work under them,” he told The Times.

    Nawaz Sharif’s PML claimed last week that “hidden hands” were propping Imran Khan up and threatened to trigger early elections by provoking mass resignations from the parliament. The perils of upsetting the army were made clear this week when Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s Ambassador to Washington, was forced to offer his resignation after the leak of a memo allegedly sent by the civilian government in May to American officials, asking for help to prevent a coup. Many analysts believe Haqqani, who is unpopular with the military, was made a scapegoat.

    Reports that several generals had snubbed a state banquet before tense meetings with Zardari added to speculation that the PPP has fallen from favour with the military. Despite his popularity, many Pakistanis remain unconvinced that Imran Khan has the political experience to win an election. Several newspapers have also questioned his ability to lead the country, with some describing his policies as naive.

    “I think it’s more a vote of no confidence (in the government) than of confidence in Khan,” said General Mahmud Ali Durrani, a former national security adviser.Imran Khan himself attributes his rising fortunes to the public’s frustration with their dishonest leaders. “In recent years, never have the people of Pakistan faced such corruption, lawlessness, lack of governance — it’s total chaos,” he said in an interview last week.

    “In the beginning people could not connect corruption at the highest levels with poverty and their own situation. Today people have connected it. People realise that unemployment, poverty, inflation are all because of the corruption of the ruling elite.”

    The PTI chief has pledged that if he wins power, he will make all politicians declare their assets and start paying taxes. “The reason why Pakistan is bankrupt today is because we have the lowest ratio of tax to gross domestic product and we have the highest amount of corruption,” he said.

    A combination of his charisma and the public’s frustration with both mainstream parties drew a crowd estimated at up to 200,000 to a rally in Lahore last month, one of the largest Pakistan has seen.

    Describing the event as a “mini-revolution” and the start of a political “tsunami”, Imran Khan said he was confident that the crowds would be even larger at his next rally in Karachi. “People are looking for change,” he said.

    Source: The News- Nov 21, 2011

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 1:20 #
  2. saladin89
    Member

    noon league at it again, hahahahahhahahahahahaha

    I would like to know more about this meeting, and if true what was said.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 1:27 #
  3. Dair ayed drust ayed.
    Agar Pasha NS ki meeting US ambassador say karwata tu ye aik baikaar meeting hoti.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 1:29 #
  4. Bawa
    Member

    Jin ko foojioon kay boot polish karnay kee aadat par jati hai woh kabhi khatam nahin hoti

    Inqlaab aaway eeee aaway

    Sohna raaj karay ga - Pasha kay boot polish karay ga

    :)

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 1:37 #
  5. saladin89
    Member

    No brother even if article is true, it does not qualify boot polishing, that spot still goes to status quo parties. Remember RD event, that is boot polishing at it's best.

    Maybe the establishment is favouring IK, no that does not mean that IK poularity has got anything to with them, or even IK policies. All that would show like us we are fed up of status quo, then it may seem establishment feels the same way.

    Boot Polishing champions without a shadow of doubt goes to status quo Zardari and Nawaz Sharif respectively.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 1:42 #
  6. Bawa
    Member

    @ saladin89

    Bhai Jee

    Ab aap ko yeh yaqeen to zaroor aa gia hoga keh Lahore kay jalsay ka intazaam kis nay kia tha aur kion kia tha?

    Baqi batain bhee aahistah aahistah samajh jaain geay.

    :)

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 1:49 #
  7. mariabashir
    Member

    سلام باوا جی

    کچھ ستائیس نومبر اور پچیس دسمبر کیلئے بھی بچا کے رکھیں.

    Elections are still very very far. Remember what Hamid mir Capital Talk (one day before elections) did to Sh. Rasheed by-elections some 2 yrs ago.Save your arguments & energy for that day.
    وسلام

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 2:09 #
  8. Bawa
    Member

    @ wa aliekum salam Maria Bibi

    Humain tu agli sasns ka pata nahin hai aap nov 27th aur
    Dec 25th kee baat kar rahi hain. Jo lamha hansi khushi main guzara ja sakta hai guzaar dein.

    Imran khan aur inqlaabi zinda hain tu kis baat kee fikkar?

    Har rooz rooz e eid aur har shab shab e baraat.

    :)

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 2:24 #
  9. cutenice62
    Member

    @Bawa ji

    bawa ji punjab ka sara paisa laga k jo kal jalsa howa hai, woo awam ki taqaat ka muzahira tha na??? jaisay musharraf nay 12 mayee ko karachi may kia tha or islamabad may???? :d.

    mian sb kehtay hain may inqalaab 20 saal pehlay he lay aya tha.....waqi mian sb k liyay inqalaab ka naam corruption hai......establishment ki najaiz olaad say jalsay may awaz he nahi nikal rahi thi..bechara imran ki bataoon ka jawab nahi dia k asaasay kahan say banayee hain????

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 3:18 #
  10. runaway
    Member

    @Bawa

    Jin ko foojioon kay boot polish karnay kee aadat par jati hai woh kabhi khatam nahin hoti

    Yeh aap nae Nawaz Shareef , Chaudry Nisar, ya Yusuf Raza Gelani k liay kaha hae. Aaj kal k politicians mae sab sae puranay boot polisher tau yeh log haen

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 3:46 #
  11. cutenice62
    Member

    @runaway

    na yeh thori boat polish kar rahay hain.........yeh booat chaat k saaf kar rahay hain.....

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 3:50 #
  12. Bawa
    Member

    @ saladin89

    Bhai jee

    Jalsoon kee seyasat ka kisi ki popularity say koi taalaaq nahin hota. Jalsoon main hami aur mukhalif sabhi loog aatay hain.

    Aap ko yaad hoga keh Benazir Bhutto ka 1986 ka salsa Lahore kee taareekh ka sab say bara jalsa tha. Lekin phir 1988 kay election main usnay kitni seats jeeti theen? Ninty four (not even simple Majority). She had a well organized party and she could win 94.

    Jalsay and jaloos do not reflect the popularity of a political party.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:00 #
  13. mariabashir
    Member

    جی بجا فرمایا باوا جی
    اتنی منظم جماعت کی صرف چرانوے ( 94 ) سیٹیں.
    اب روشنی ڈالیں وہ کیوں.کیا اس میں اسٹبلشمنٹ کا کوئی کردار نہیں تھا. یہی فرق ہے بی بی کی پی پی میں اور عمران کی پی ٹی ائی میں.
    میں نے کچھ دن پہلے پی ٹی ائی اور ایم ایم اے کا تقابل کیا تھا. کیا آپ ابھی بھی اس سے اتفاق نہیں کرتے.؟
    ---------------------------------------
    To mod: Please allow ChangeIK to post here; We need to read opinions from both sides.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:08 #
  14. Bawa
    Member

    @ runaway

    خیر تجربہ تو اب عمران خان کا بھی کم نہیں ہے. پندرہ سال پارٹی کی عمر ہے اور کم از کم دس سال کا فوجیوں کے بوٹ پالش کا تجربہ ہے

    جس سپیڈ سے اس تجربے میں اضافہ ہو رہا ہے. مجھے یقین ہے وہ پاکستان کی تاریخ میں ایسا ریکارڈ قایم کریں گے جو صدیوں تک کوئی نہیں توڑ سکے گا

    پہلے کبھی ایسا نہیں ہوا کہ فوجی ایجنسیاں سیاستدانون کو اپنے آقاوں سے متعارف کرواتی ہوں اب تو یہ سعادت بھی خان صاحب کے حصے میں آئی ہے کہ جنرل پاشا نے بہ نفس نفیس عمران خان کو وائسرائے پاکستان سے متعارف کروایا ہے

    یہ رتبہ بلند ملا جسے مل گیا

    :)

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:12 #
  15. cutenice62
    Member

    @bawa ji

    hahaha........raat ko lagta hai khuwab dekhtay hain or subha yahan aa k bayan kar dety hain........ :p

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:14 #
  16. Bawa
    Member

    @ mariabashir

    ماریہ بی بی میں جلسوں کی سیاست کی بات کر رہا تھا

    جہاں تک ایم ایم اے کی بات ہے وہ ایک مختلف کہانی تھی - اسوقت دونوں بڑی سیاسی جماتوں کی قیادت ملک سے باہر تھی

    اب وہ صورتحال نہیں ہے اس لیے خان صاحب کو اسٹبلشمنٹ جتنا مرضی سپورٹ کر لے وہ ایم ایم اے والے نتایج نہیں دے سکتی

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:15 #
  17. Bawa
    Member

    @ cutenice62

    ہماری رات ابھی شروع ہو رہی ہے

    اس لیے یہ حقیقت اور نوشتہ دیوار ہے

    :)

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:17 #
  18. mariabashir
    Member

    چلیں باوا جی جب چاند چڑھے گا تو دنیا دیکھے گی،
    میں تو صرف یہ کہتی ہوں کے ہمیں حقیقت پسند ہونا چاہیے.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:20 #
  19. Bawa
    Member

    ماریہ بی بی

    سورج جب خدا چڑھاتا ہے تو تبھی چڑھتا ہے

    جنرل پاشا کے چڑھائے ہوئے سورج چڑھنے سے پہلے غروب ہو جاتے ہیں

    :)

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:25 #
  20. cutenice62
    Member

    @bawa ji

    General Pasha k soraj tu bharkain maar rahay hain FSD may, haqeeqat ka samna howa nahi.......batain kidar ki hai asasoon ki baat mian sb nay?

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:47 #
  21. Bawa
    Member

    @ cutenice62

    لگتا ہے اگلے الیکشن کا رزلٹ آنے تک آپکا کاں چٹا ہی رہے گا

    آخر مچھلی پتھر چاٹ کر ہی واپس پلتی ہے

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:53 #
  22. Bawa
    Member

    لیجیے جنرل پرویز مشرف کی امریکی سفیر بھی عمران خان کی حمایت میں نکل آئی ہیں

    شیرو کے صدقے - مشرف عمران بھائی بھائی

    :)

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 4:59 #
  23. Source: UK based Sunday times

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Asia/article825832.ece

    Others view Khan as a third force to break the dominance of Pakistan’s two largest parties. “Perhaps they think he will bring about cleaner and better-quality politics and put fresh life into the country,” said Talat Masood, a retired general. “The military are perturbed by the economy because that affects defence spending.”

    Khan was recently introduced to Cameron Munter, the American ambassador, in the presence of General Shuja Pasha, the ISI chief, according to sources.

    Khan is reluctant to criticise the military establishment publicly, but he emphasises that he will not be a puppet of the generals. “Obviously you have to work with them but it doesn’t mean you have to work under them,” he said.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 6:18 #
  24. @saladin89,

    The real status quo was last 8 years of Musharraf and several other long military governments. Even during civilian rule, the army would appoint their own President like GIK and Leghari to control the civilians through 58-2B.

    The real breaking of status quo was led by Nawaz Sharif during Long March, which reversed the Army Action against the top judiciary.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 6:22 #
  25. @Bawa,

    The real news is not that Imran Khan met US Ambassador in presence of Pasha.

    But the real news is that PASHA sleeps with Americans. This is the biggest proof of ISI being puppet of Americans.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 6:24 #
  26. khanamer
    Member

    @ Rasheed

    No wonder Pasha keep getting those extensions in his tenure...

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 6:35 #
  27. SufiSoul
    Member

    Although they do not publicly admit to favouring any party, it is an open secret that the military leadership, and the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), are backing Imran Khan’s campaign, said The Sunday Times report.
    //////////////////
    when every Pakistani is in trouble due to long presence of PPP and PMLN why establishment would be happy with these two.
    So everyone is supporting PTI,Awam,Army,Youth,Educated,Farmer,Businessmen etc etc

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 6:47 #
  28. @SufiSoul,

    Establishment is the one that brought PPP into power and core reason of the problems that we are facing in this government.

    It was General Kiyani who went to UK as ISI chief to negotiate NRO and it was Army Chief General Musharraf who signed and issued NRO.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 7:24 #
  29. Bawa
    Member

    Sufi Soul Jee

    General Pasha ko yeh akhtiar kis nay deeya hai keh woh American say IK ko introduce karwaiay?

    Iss ka matlab yeh hai keh aap foojioon kay gheer aaiini kamoon kee hosla afzaai kar rahay hain?

    Agar ab iqtdaar ki khatar aap gheer aaiini aqdaamaat ki hamayat kar rahay hain tu kal aap say kia tawaqah ki ja sakti hai?

    Haroon Rasheed jo IK ko Quaid e Azam sani kehta hai doob marna chahiay kionkeh Qaid e Azam nay fooj ko seyasat say door rehnay ka kaha tha.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 7:25 #
  30. siddiqi73
    Member

    >>>>So everyone is supporting PTI,Awam,Army,Youth,Educated,Farmer,Businessmen etc etc <<<

    Yeah everyone including the bacteria on planet Uranus are supporting the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Naswar. If your outfit has such massive and widespread support, it should immediately announce a candidate who'd contest the by-election in Bahawalpur. Contesting an election and winning it is the ultimate barometer to gauge one's success and adulation; the rest are all coloured bubbles.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 7:28 #
  31. zingaro
    Member

    Rule of justice requires that this news must be investigated. If it is true then IK should explain about this meeting and if it is not true then PTI should file a case against newspapers.

    But at the same time I have a question to all who wrote above that if tomorrow some other news is published in the same newspaper shall they be ready to accept it as true or then they will try to run away from logic?

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 7:31 #
  32. siddiqi73
    Member

    @Zingaro,

    Then why such a ruckus was created on "Memo Gate" which was first exposed by a newspaper? Where there is smoke, there's fire.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 7:33 #
  33. SufiSoul
    Member

    BAWA G,
    BHUTTO due to agressive mentality was altogether unfit for politics.
    Nawaz was having a very low cabar but establishment brought him and kept him over shoulders of Pakistan.
    In Past and today if we were find some intellectual brain to lead the situation would not be the same.
    Almost all the politicians having third class brain and Army was always equiped with most shining brains in their TOP leadership so definitly Army get stronger and stronger and now the OWNER of bringing and throwing Govts in Pakistan.
    Stupidities of Stupid political leadership gives us these results....

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 7:34 #
  34. Bawa
    Member

    Zingaro

    IK nay Lahore jalsay main Memo ka ilzaam Zardari par laganay say pehlay investigation ki thee?

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 7:35 #
  35. zingaro
    Member

    Lets go step by step. Bawa and Siddiq .. please paste here what was in the press on this issue from beginning. So that every one here may analyze it that what meaning may be derived from there.

    P.S. Mian Sahib is also blaming it. Has he completed the investigation?

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 7:36 #
  36. siddiqi73
    Member

    @SufiJee,

    <<<<Nawaz was having a very low cabar but establishment brought him and kept him over shoulders of Pakistan.<<

    So your next contention would be that Imran Khan's upper deck is retrofitted with a political brain of Bill Clinton....right? If Imran Khan was so brainy, care to illuminate as to what stopped him from winning more than ONE seat in the last 16 years?

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 7:38 #
  37. Bawa
    Member

    Sufi Soul Jee

    No long story please.

    Kia aap fooj kay gheer aaiini aqdamaat kee hamayat kartay hain?

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 7:41 #
  38. SufiSoul
    Member

    Kia aap fooj kay gheer aaiini aqdamaat kee hamayat kartay hain.
    //////////////////////////

    Kia aap siyasat danon ki na ehli ka itiraaf kerty hain.k stupids have been made leaders by ISI in past.????

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 8:04 #
  39. EasyGo
    Member

    ویل ڈن باوا جی

    آپ اور دیگر ساتھیوں نے خان صاحب اور اسٹبلشمنٹ کا تعلق کا خوب کھوج نکالا

    فینز مشکل میں ہیں، اور اب انکی دلیل یہ لگ رہی ہے کہ سب اسٹبلشمنٹ کے کندھوں پر سوار ہوکر آتے ہیں تو اس دفعہ عمران خان سہی، جو کہ اب ممکن نہیں لگ رہا

    میرے خیال میں ن لیگ اپنے جلسوں سے اصل میں پتلی تماشے کے پیچھے والوں کو ہی پیغام دے رہی کہ اس دفعہ دال نہیں گلنے دیں گے

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 8:09 #
  40. intelligentpakistani
    Member

    Heres the link from our Pakistani newspapers
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=26919&title=Imran-met-Munter-in-ISI-chief%E2%80%99s-presence

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 8:13 #
  41. siddiqi73
    Member

    @sufi,

    <<<<Kia aap siyasat danon ki na ehli ka itiraaf kerty hain.k stupids have been made leaders by ISI in past.????<<<

    And in 2011, there is another "stupid" out there who is hoping that ISI would make him the next big thing since Hugo Chavez!

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 8:55 #
  42. hofiftytwo
    Member

    Reminds me of Millat party and q league , the way those were cropped in 2002 election exactly same now using PTI but kiddies club would even struggle to win single seat

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:03 #
  43. @hofiftytwo

    You are right!

    PTI does not have seat winning capability and If Establishemnt did not provide Ghost votes then PTI will as usuall win only 1 seat from Mianwali.

    All Imran wants is: ISI should give him PM post without any election rallies or winning seats. Someone should tell Imran winning seats is all that counts to form a Govt.

    Is Imran planning to become PM with one seat?

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:12 #
  44. d0ct0r
    Member

    First an ISI agent,next an American agent.. Imran is rapidly making progress and climbing up the ladder.

    By hook or by crook he just wants to be PM at any cost..

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:18 #
  45. coolbema
    Member

    Lagta hai Establishmnt mulk ki siyaset mein apna kirdar khatem nahi karay gi..jis din establishment siyaset mey hissa dalna bend karay gi us din mulk k halat behter ho jai gay. In jernalon ko kursi ka nasha lag gaya hai, fooj ka kaam mulki difaa hai lekin yaha fooj ka matlab kuch or hi hai..

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:18 #
  46. GHQ-backed Establishment is the biggest culprit of today's (socio-economic to geo-politic) plight of Pakistan. They do not want any strong leaders and use politicians as puppets. These days Imran has become their new darling and will do whatever instructed and dictated by army/ISI. Imran is promising an Inqilab to fool his voters and general public.

    Long Live Imran's Inqilab

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:27 #
  47. saladin89
    Member

    @doctor
    The title off boot lickers goes to status quo, if some US official did meet him then so what. He has a long way to go until he is officially declared a boot licker.

    Remember RD case boy's, or what about the latest memo stating to attack our own army............

    u status quo lovers really make me laugh!

    stick to you exposing MQM, don't come down this road otherwise u may become from a doctor to a patient.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:33 #
  48. azhar123
    Member

    http://www.ispr.gov.pk/front/main.asp?o=t-press_release&id=1903#pr_link1903

    ISPR denies the allegation strong words..PMl(N) propaganda will not stop the tsunami this time..:)

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:48 #
  49. siddiqi73
    Member

    ^ hahahahahah.....saladin, I feel your pain brother man! Come to think of it, you are fast loosing your posse out here and the only one left behind is Scandinavian. Care to tell me what happened to Exposed, Mangoman and ChangeIK?

    Sweettruth and Doctor,

    Bro, contesting an election is a sin in the dictionary of Establishment Khan Niazi. Who can forget that he literally cried in front of Gen. Bayzamir and Tariq Aziz to give him 50 seats on a platter back in 2002. In the end what transpired was a some Mianwali backwater which BTW he is gonna loose hands down even to a senile like Dr. Sher Afghan Niazi in the next elections.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:51 #
  50. siddiqi73
    Member

    @azhar123,

    Hahahahaha...the same ISPR which did not utter a single word on RD affair or came up with a tangible and lucid explanation on Mehran Base attack...

    As for Tsunami....hahahahahahahahaha! The Tsunami I know of was kicked up by Sana Bucha yesterday which washed away a chamcha named Omar Cheema.

    Posted 6 months ago on 21 Nov 2011 9:54 #

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