planned HEC destruction...Ishaq Dar of PMLn mastermind

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planned HEC destruction...Ishaq Dar of PMLn mastermind

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drgulkhan
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It has appeared that the hole idea of destruction of HEC is a brainchild of mr Ishaq Dar who is member of the commision which has put this proposal forward.
Mr ishaq Dar has a habbit of doing such things as he was also the masterming of proposed expansion of supreme court to 27.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Apr 2011 21:35 #
drgulkhan
Member

PML-N, supported devolution of Higher Education Commission devolution

Dar backs HEC devolution
Islamabad: Senator Ishaq Dar of the PML-N supported devolution of Higher Education Commission to the provinces on Wednesday.

When asked repeatedly at a press conference about disparity between his stance on the issue and that of the PML-N, Mr Dar said: “I am not responsible for everybody in the party.”

Chairman of the Parliamentary Commission on the Implementation of the 18th Amendment Senator Raza Rabbani, Senator Zahid Khan of the ANP and Federal Minister for Petroleum Naveed Qamar were present on the occasion.

In reply to a question, the PML leader said: “I was out of the country since Feb 25 for personal reasons, but I am here to categorically clear whatever Senator Raza Rabbani has said on devolution of the HEC. I fully support that.”

Parroting the statement made at the outset of the press conference by Raza Rabbani, Senator Dar said the only issue which people should understand was that the HEC was not being devolved, but its functions were being redefined.

Asked as if his statement should be taken as a formal stand of the PML-N on the HEC issue, Mr Dar sidestepped the question and said: “Whatever I am saying is the position under the Constitution after the passage of the 18th Amendment.” He criticised the media and certain political commentators for politicising the HEC issue for no genuine reasons.

He said the University Grants Commission, which was replaced by the HEC, had a role like a post office in transferring funds to the universities. However, the HEC had been given a much bigger role by the former military regime and the implementation commission was reviewing that role, Senator Dar said.

PML-N spokesman Ahsan Iqbal has repeatedly said that his party was opposing the HEC devolution on principles. Interestingly on Tuesday, Mr Iqbal also forcefully denied the claim made by some people that his party’s Senator Ishaq Dar had supported the HEC devolution in the meetings of the Parliamentary Commission on the Implementation of the 18th Amendment. Dawn

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Apr 2011 21:51 #
zoabkhan
Member

Pathetic people of pathetic parties.
How many of Ishaq Dars kids rely on HEC in Pakistan? Probably none.
I hope the students come out to protest this move.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Apr 2011 23:23 #
gujjartalwar
Member

Ishaq Dar alone could not possibly make such a big decision. All the paries were on that amendment committee. At least he owns his support.

I doubt it is such a bad decision. Why can't the provinces handle HEC when they own all other educational matters.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 1:36 #
liv_2_die
Member

lo jee aa gaye aik aur jiyaley sahab (PMLN ke jiyaley hain ye) ... har baat pe din ke akhir mein aik mahirana tabsara detey hain PMLN ki har cheez ko sahe sabit kerne .. oo pai mere .. HEC ka provinces mein wohi haal ho ga jo punjab board, sindh board aur federal board ke chakar mein hota hai .. samajh lagi keh nahi (zada zor hi ki na lag jaye kahen)

decision jiska bhi hai .. bottom line is keh ghalat hai ...

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 1:44 #
gujjartalwar
Member

One simple point. Aren't all the universities run by provincial Governements? If they can run universities why can't they make decisions about higher education.

I think the whole hue and cry is to save some cushy jobs at the center and to keep some power to send their favorites abroad.

If you are talking quality, there is no guarantee that federal Govt. is any better than provinces.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 1:53 #
liv_2_die
Member

shaq se menu keh samajh nai aani asani naal .. bhai merey aap ye batayen keh jab universities provinces run karen ge (jese ker rahe hain) aur deal bhi wohi karen ge with international sector (jo HEC ker rahe hai) .. toh professor suraj niazi almaroof tirewala PU mein parhaney aayen ge ya UET mein ... sika faisala kon karey ga ...

aab mein iska jawab bhi de deta hon keh jo zada paisa de ga wahan chaley jayen ge .. yani keh boli lagey ge .. HEC jese federal body ka faida ye hota hai keh bahir ki market se deal wo kertey hain and phir unko provincial universities mein hi send kertey hain ...

ise example mein aab professor sahib ki jaga world bank aur uski 2 million $ ki education grant dalen aur fiasala furmayen keh wo grant konsey province ki kis university ko miley ge .. aur iska faisala kon karey ga ..

aik aur masla keh federal areas mein qaim universities ko kon run karey ga ..

aur sab se bara sawal .. akhir is faiseley ki zaroorat kya hai .. wo konsi hikmat hai (jo kisi ko nazar nahi aa rahe) .. wo konsa masla hai jo HEC ko dissolve kerne se hal ho ga .. wo konse (aur kitne) wasayil hain jo HEC ko dissolve kerne se hasil hon ge ..

and i can rant on and on .. but for a split second, leave ur party affiliation aside and think like a pakistani

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 2:03 #
gujjartalwar
Member

"aab mein iska jawab bhi de deta hon keh jo zada paisa de ga wahan chaley jayen ge."

I assume you are taliking competition. That is a good thing. It will stimulate higher education.

As far the federal areas, they can also be given a share of resources.

Trust me, there are more than one way to do most of the things. It will work out. There are a lot more learned people in Lahore, Karachi and even Peshawar and Quetta than Islamabad.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 2:36 #
liv_2_die
Member

dont fix what aint broken ...

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 2:42 #
zoabkhan
Member

Well said live-2-die.
Since when was HEC a problem and to whom it is thorn in the buttocks? It is PMLN, PPPP who have jaali degree holders running the country. These jackazzez don't see PSM, NiCL, Railroad, PIA as a problem but see HEC? Tell me what is the difference between PMLN and PPPP? I don't see any.

How does this create competition? Pakistan cannot compete for professors versus Saudia Arabia, Turkey, Europe and U.S. What part of that don't you understand?

Pakistan's education system sucks, who runs it? The provinces.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 3:19 #
toamin
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میرے عزیز ہموطنو

یہ سب ایک ہی تھیلی کے چٹّے بٹّے اور ایک ہی سانچے کے ڈھلے ہیں

جو ان سے خیر کی توقع رکھتا ہے وہ نادان ہے

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 3:29 #
Just_one
Member

I don't support HEC.

It creates a cosmetic facade at higher level when the system of education in Pakistan is rotten to the core. It is a brainchild of dictator Musharraf and his cronies, including Dr. Ata-ur-Rehman, who doesn't seem connected with the Pakistani reality.

As long as the whole system is not reform, this farce can bring no change.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 3:57 #
drgulkhan
Member

i guess zardari , nawazetc they are all the same....

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 10:42 #
nota
Member

@drgulkhan
"It has appeared that the hole idea of destruction of HEC is a brainchild of mr Ishaq Dar who is member of the commision which has put this proposal forward.
Mr ishaq Dar has a habbit of doing such things as he was also the masterming of proposed expansion of supreme court to 27. "
Would be no surprise...He did many such things that when they were implemented and there was huge public outcry, PML-N just pretended they had nothing to do with it (e.g. budget, oil prices, the gas crisis in Punjab, controversial parts of the 18th amendment, etc.)

@Just_One
"I don't support HEC.
It creates a cosmetic facade at higher level when the system of education in Pakistan is rotten to the core. It is a brainchild of dictator Musharraf and his cronies, including Dr. Ata-ur-Rehman, who doesn't seem connected with the Pakistani reality.
As long as the whole system is not reform, this farce can bring no change. "

Same here. See some old discussions here:
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/03/31/discuss-education/#comment-66739
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/01/bolta-pakistan-1-april-2008/#comment-67015

Only issue I have against the current step is:
1. PPP is doing this so they are sure to make things worse..
2. HEC reportedly will be replaced by four/five provincial versions so instead of one corrupt institution, we will have four of five of it's b@stard children messing things up...

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 11:49 #
gujjartalwar
Member

"1. PPP is doing this so they are sure to make things worse.."

I don't think any party is making a delibrate attept to make things worse. All this amendement work has been done with consensus. We should not trash the collective judgement of our leadership.

"2. HEC reportedly will be replaced by four/five provincial versions so instead of one corrupt institution, we will have four of five of it's b@stard children messing things up..."

HEC members are mostly from highly educated elite and I don't think they are corrupt. But even if we assume one institution is inefficient, breaking it up and sending to the provinces opens up the possibility that one or two new units may end up performing better. That can become a catalyst for others for improvement.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 15:39 #
barackosama
Member

Pevaiz Hoodbhoy has good points, A. Q. Khan too. But HEC has been in business for a decade and in this time the progress is remarkable. Shredding is bad option.

@Just_One
"I don't support HEC.
It creates a cosmetic facade at higher level when the system of education in Pakistan is rotten to the core.

That's completely bull!

Most every advanced nation had an advanced higher education system while the basic education was in shams. In the old Islamic history, higher education gave the edge to the Muslims over other civilizations. At that time most kids were taught at home, but later left at the doorstep of the schoolmen. In India, the graduates of IIT, ISI, IIM, IIS are the best among the world, this, while the elementary and secondary systems are far from remarkable. Harvard, Göttingen, Oxford and Cambridge were functioning when the institutionalized basic education was wimpy and mostly taught language, theology, literature, little mathematics and no philosophy or sciences at all. The results of top-down approach are obvious.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 16:14 #
oneUp
Member

Promised funds not released to HEC

Funds worth Rs7.7 billion have not been provided to the Higher Education Commission (HEC) despite repeated assurances by the government, as debate about the body’s devolution continues, Express 24/7 reported.
According to sources, the government had pledged HEC with the quarter’s budget but had failed to grant funds for university expenses and salaries. Sources also claim that the Accountant General Pakistan Revenues may be trying to hamper the flow of funds to the HEC.
The Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled against the much-debated devolution of the Higher Education Commission (HEC) and directed the commission to continue functioning until further notice.
A three-member bench, headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, also nullified the federal government’s previous notification issued on March 31 regarding the HEC’s devolution.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/150033/promised-funds-not-released-to-hec/

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 19:26 #
Just_one
Member

@Nota, I agree with you. PPP will make things worse of course. I was simply talking about institution itself.

Hoodbhoy's expert take on it is quite convincing and exactly tallies my gut sense. A good read.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 20:39 #
drgulkhan
Member

they do not care about pakistan...it only power en dollars what they care about....

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Apr 2011 19:59 #