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Revivalist
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I wonder why not Taliban in Afghanistan are doing bomb blasts similar to Pakistan, we know that they are well capable of doing this and they also have reason for it. We see in almost all these blasts foreign forces are being targeted in Afghanistan but on the other hand we see indiscriminate bomb blasts are taking place in Pakistan where mostly common people are targeted. Isn’t it the same style adopted in Iraq where hundreds of common people die in every explosion that takes place in busy areas? Isn’t it pointing to the fact that some foreign agencies are involved in pakistan the objective of whom is create severe mess in pakistan so that to achieve their target????

Please comment!!!

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 6:37 #
amin1924
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Car bombs are hallmark of General McCrystal, using this tactic he made the resistance in Iraq look so ugly that people stopped supporting it.

They think they can apply same tactic here to turn people away from resistance, but people are not buying that propaganda so far.

Where are the star agencies who are suppose to protect people from these conspiracies?

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 7:40 #
Sirf Pakistani
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Pakistani Talibans are on RAW's payroll thats why. They are not fighting for ISLAM but for USA & INDIA.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 7:47 #
Revivalist
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SP,

Dear, this is again another tactic to give an impression that pak Army is in fact fighting Indian agents, so that to boost up the moral of the army men and to justify killing hundreds of people. If Taliban are on the Raw's payroll why is the government not raising this issue strongly? paradoxically the government wants to have brotherly relations with India, which proves that the government is doing all this to please his master and to fight his war!!!

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 8:07 #
Sirf Pakistani
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ITS not army who is kiiling innocent ppls its Your loving TALIBANS who genocide poor Pashtuns.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 9:02 #
KHAN_Sahib
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@sirf Pakistani.
I will whole heartidly accept that Talibans are killing Pushtuns "IF" you give me one proof that these bomb attacks were carried out by them.

Slowly slowly you will see that even Americans will agree with us. :)

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/nov2009-daily/11-11-2009/updates/11-11-2009_11008_1.gif

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/07/afghanistan-karzai-nato-troop-withdrawal

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 9:18 #
Sirf Pakistani
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Yes I am 100% agree with you its USA whos is supporting Pakistani TALIBAN all the times (financially & logistically) & they are killing my brothers & sisters in NWFP:(
I saw the PIC of a 10 months baby in yesterday's blast beleive me I was sweat & my eyes were full of tears after watching the helpless father & the little dead body.

KHUDA IN ZALIMAN KO TABAH KARE

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 9:25 #
KHAN_Sahib
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@Sirf Pakistani...
I have lost 2 of my closed relatives in recent Peshawar Blast! AND I am telling you that these blasts were not carried out by "Taliban" (DOES THIS MEANS ANYTHING TO YOU?)but by Black water with Indian and American Aid (Via Karzai Govt) and you know that very well that the present Govt of Zardari has allowed BW to Function in Pakistan. (And because Gen. Kiyani is part of this triad, I would blame him and the Army too for this reason)

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 9:32 #
LetsDoIt
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KHUDA IN ZALIMAN KO TABAH KARE ameen

But HE has also given us ability to think and analyze who is behind all this and how to stop them?.
There are few very simple questions

1-Why US with all its technology is not able to get Afghanistan under its control in 9 years?

2-The weapons and explosives are going from pakistan to afghanistan or they are coming from afghanistan to pakistan?

3-Will pakistani army be able to get complete hold of these areas keeping afghanistan as it is?

4-Who is financially supporting this?

The only solution to this problem is political, cutting the leaves does not mean that roots are destroyed.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 9:37 #
KHAN_Sahib
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@Lets do it...
We should not hesitate to criticize Taliban, Zardari, ISI, Army, USA, Karzai or whoever is doing this to us. By the end of the day, it’s us who are suffering. I don't care who that group/Personnel are but as long as we all are united to disapprove, criticize and stand together against these elements, we will win this war or else we will be destroyed and I can assure you one thing that if Pushtuns were not supported by the rest of Pakistanis, you wont find a country to call Pakistan (God forbid). (I truly believe that Pakistan is in physical danger due to American Presence and the impotent Govt of Pakistan)

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 9:45 #
amin1924
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locals are not killing locals, these car bombs in busy bazaars are carried out by blackwater/raw network that they have established since last 8-9 years.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 9:46 #
LetsDoIt
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I agree with you KHAN, the fire started from Pukhtoonkhaw is already in Punjab now. In Peshawar many people have met with afghani looking americans and no body could justify their presence with arms in that region.

I dont have any sympathy for molvi Fazalullah type people, those people who were beheading muslims are not even muslims so there is no doubt about that and my point was not to stop your criticism on them but my point was to find out their roots, who is supplying them with arms and finances. Cut those supply lines and such cowards will die automatically.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 9:54 #
Sirf Pakistani
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Blackwater or USA & Pakistani Talibans are the face forces who are trying to kill PASHTUNS. THATS IT.....

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 9:54 #
KHAN_Sahib
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I totally DISAGREE with u@Sirfpakistani.. Plz Talk with facts and FIgure and not just use the Language of Altaf. He has the reason to be afraid of TalibanS. DO u have too?

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 11:02 #
javedsheikh
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One gets totally confused due to such intellectual speculations and wishful thinking.
The ground reality cannot be covered with blankets of clouds.
Who is fighting against whom and Why?
What are the Motives?
One must try to read the lips of the Top Leadership to draw a realistic conclusion.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 11:24 #
amin1924
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Q: Who is fighting against whom and Why?
Pakistan army is fighting against Pakistani citizens in Baloch and FATA tribes. Why? Because they are under threat/pressure to help curb the insurgency in the neighboring country.

Q:What are the Motives?
Mush surrendered on one phone call, no choice but to obey.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 11:32 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Our political government is going against its own nation's interest by making Pak Army fight its own people in FATA, in NWFP, in Baluchistan.

Why hasn't this present government selected a law minister, after 21 months in office ?

Why hasn't this present government showed any signs of adhering to constitution of Pakistan, adhering to law of the land after 21 months in office ?

Why hasn't this present government come up with a full plan on how to deal with Pakistani Taliban ? Why is it ONLY pushing for more and more military operations, more and more drone attacks ? Has this strategy helped in the last decade ?

Why doesn't this present government think through its actions, its statements, its plans, the way it conducts itself ?

What has this present government done for Pakistan, after 21 months in office ? Has it even given Pakistan a direction to move in ? If it hasn't even done as basic a thing as that, what credibility does it have left ?

Our current government is colluding with US/Israel/Zionists + India to weaken Pak Army.

Accepting terms of Kerry Lugar Aid Bill was just another excuse for it. Sure, Pak Army wants power, but it can't have it. Its job is not to rule the nation. Its job is to guard Pakistan's borders. The rule of law, will automatically take care of Pak Army's ambitions of wanting power.

The only way to weaken Pak Army is make them fight internally with their own people.

These bomb blasts are NEVER investigated. A minister (Rehman Malik) surfaces after the incident, gets his shots made for the media to show off, LAYS the blame on Pakistani Taliban and then disappears, leaving the ENTIRE nation to speculate, to engage in hate-mongering against Pakistani Taliban.

Pakistani Taliban didn't accept responsibility of bombing in Islamic University in Islamabad. WHAT has Govt. of Pakistan done so far to find out who was behind those bombings ?

Pakistani Taliban didn't accept responsibility of bombing in Peshawar, in 'Mina Bazar' (in urdu). WHAT has Govt. of Pakistan done so far to find out who was behind those bombings ?

ALL that Pakistan government is doing, all that it is saying is mere speculation. They are NOT! conducting investigations against ANY incident.

Why is Pakistan's government hiding Indian envolvement in Waziristan, in Baluchistan, in FATA ?

There MUST! be a reason for it.

Who lives on either side of the borders of Afghanistan - Pakistan ? Tribesmen, who have blood relations! Families are living some distance apart on either side of the border.

Why did Pak government collude with US/Nato in conducting drone attacks on FATA, NWFP ? Because tribesmen from FATA were helping their relatives in Afghanistan fight! off! US occupation.

Why did US pressurize Pak Govt. or Pak Army to push for military operations in FATA, NWFP ? Because tribesmen from FATA were helping their relatives in Afghanistan fight! off! US occupation.

Why is the government ready to concede to expansion of drone attacks? Especially on Mureedke which is the base camp for 'Tableeghi jamaat' (in urdu) ?

Why is US making 80 football field thick embassy in Islamabad and Peshawar ? Because they want a long term military presence in this region to secure Zionist's/Israel's interests. India's automatic gain of power as a result is just a side effect.

Why is US putting its private military contractor force in Islamabad, Peshawar ?

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 11:45 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Why is US shifting its heavy duty military hardware from Iraq to Pakistan ?

Because they have ALREADY succeeded in making Shia and Sunni fight amongst themselves in Iraq. Tensions are so high because of this in-fighting in Iraq, that US doesn't feel the need to have its military hardware present to achieve its goals. ALL US has to do is flair up this internal hate between Shai and Sunni and US's objectives will be met without any significant cost.

Al-Qaeda were a few hundred men, AT MOST. US provided ZERO evidence against any wrong-doing it alleged them of.

The REAL objective was to dismember, destroy Taliban's government in Afghanistan. Why ? Because Taliban were on the verge of showing the world an ALTERNATE system of governance, a successful implementation of the Islamic system of governance that would have ended! attraction in the west's governance systems for CERTAIN.

US accused Taliban of destroying girls schools, because Taliban wanted to finish off co-education. Taliban wanted to separate girls and boys schools, colleges, Universities. This wasn't acceptable for US.

You can't tell me US hasn't been able to apprehend those few hundred men in 9 years of occupation of Afghanistan.

Al-Qaeda was a RUSE, hyped up by US in order to occupy Afghanistan. NO! one in the world even knew of the word 'Al-Qaeda' before Bush spoke of it. EXACTLY like WMDs were a RUSE, a deception to occupy Iraq, to secure Iraq's oil for its or Israel's interests if the need arise.

I'd say, the need will rise soon, because Israel is threatening to attack Iran. Iran will surely cut oil supply to the world as a result. Iran won't be the only one that will be forced to cut oil supply. Disruption of oil supply will have massive! consequences for the world.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 12:02 #
Beenai
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simple answer Revivalist .
coz Taliban has been created by USA itself.
they are kinda remote control robots who are doing terrorism all over the places ,just to defame islam and Muslims plus making an excuse for USA to capture the region without actually invading .

they have been told to go for suicidal attacks in Pakistan .
they are doing so .
they have been told ,not to do so in Afghanistan.
so they are not doing so.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:02 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

It is very easy to lay blame, isn't it ?

Like its very easy for Pak Army to create militant groups. Why should Pak Army take the blame when it can outsource its job to private militant groups ?

On the other hand, its hard work to investigate and FIND OUT WHO the criminal WAS actually.

Nearly ALL of us suffer from this, unfortunately endlessly

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:11 #
Sirf Pakistani
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100 % agree with BEENAI
Thats exactly what i meant

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:11 #
gv
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@all

yep that's it you've all hit the nail on the head.... we've done such a fantastic job running this country these past 62 years that everybody's out to get us.... otherwise we'd be the next superpower in town... then they'd really hate us..

so what really happened is that once upon a time, far far away in the distant land of mordor all the enemies of pakistan, the americans, the british, the french, the indians, the russians, the afghanis, the israelis, the lilliputians, the martians, the venusians, the orcs, the hobbits and the timbuktooans all sat around a table and decided that pakistan had become way too advanced in its education, technology and industrial sectors and had to be put in place and taught a lesson.. .

So they created a new army of androids called 'THE TALIBANDROIDS' who would be sent to the most educated and advanced place in pakistan - FATA to sow destruction and dissent in the people...

come on people get a grip for god's sake!!!!

this is OUR PROBLEM it is happening because this country has been MIS-RULED by its people for the past 62 years!!! ONLY WE CAN FIX IT BECAUSE IT IS OUR FAULT NOT ANYBODY ELSES!!!

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:17 #
Sirf Pakistani
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I totally DISAGREE with u@Sirfpakistani.. Plz Talk with facts and FIgure and not just use the Language of Altaf. He has the reason to be afraid of TalibanS. DO u have too?

KHAN SAHIB
Though i have the soft corner for MQM is just because of MUSTAFA KAMAL not for ALTAF HUSSAIN.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:28 #
zia m
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The recent attacks by the terrorists are obviously a reaction to the operation in South Waziristan by the Pak Army.
Americans have to be really stupid to destabilize the current regime in Pakistan and bring about a less favorable government.If destabilization of Pakistan was the objective a small incursion by Indians on our eastern border at the behest of US would do the job.
GV is right,we need to put our house in order.Our government has miserably failed in taking security precautions for the citizens.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:41 #
amin1924
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Those who want to understand 'reaction' need to follow the events in proper chronology. If you start your clock from a couple of months back then you are missing a big chunk in your pie.

Learn the regional goals of imperialists so that you can connect the dots properly. Disarming of Pakistan is one of them.

It is stupid to say that small incursion by Indians on eastern border would destabilize the country.

That incursion will stabilize the country and make people united and so committed that you would not even be able to imagine!

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:47 #
gv
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@zia m

the essential problem is that we are a nation of egotistic ostriches and cannot fathom that we are insignificant in the greater scheme of things... so we'd much rather puff up our fragile little egos and blame it all on some insidious intergalactic plot to destroy our noble nation...

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:48 #
amin1924
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lolzz

gv is frustrated :)

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:51 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@gv: I agree with you that FATA has been ignored, not managed the right way in the last 60+ years. I also agree with you that WE have to go for retribution. WE have to face the facts. WE have to improve ourselves.

Having said that, I don't think the situation would have been any different today, unless Pak Govt. starts showing signs of better decision making, decisions based on the teachings of Quran-o-Hadees, and for Pakistan Govt. to STOP! acting like chicken, running away from Jihad EVERY TIME.

People of FATA would still help their relatives in Afghanistan, because US succeeded in occupying, which happened because of Pakistan.

US would STILL retaliate against people of FATA, people of FATA are helping their relatives in Afghanistan fight off oppression and occupation from US.

Pakistan is to blame for;

- helping US in over-throwing Taliban's government in Afghanistan

- allowing US to destabilize Pak - Afghan border

- allowing US to invade as well as occupy Afghanistan

- giving US the oppertunity to REVITALIZE drug crops and in turn drug trade from Afghanistan

Someone put up info in recent media reports, about Hamid Karzai's brother. As if Hamid Karzai being former employee of UniCAL was not enough.

- allowing US to destabilize Afghanistan

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:54 #
zia m
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We haven't learnt anything from the East Pakistan fiasco.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:55 #
amin1924
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No, we learned not to wait for 6th fleet.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:57 #
gv
Member

@jj

you're d###n right i'm frustrated.....

i'm frustrated that my own country men refuse to face up to reality ............

i'm frustrated that obviously educated and well read pakistani's would much rather sit around pointing fingers at others while we have scores of people dying violent deaths on a daily basis....

but no we'd still rather stick our heads in the sand and expect god to come down from the heavens to solve our problems and save us from the infidel... great progressive nation we've become....

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 13:57 #
amin1924
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gv,

i can understand, but good thing is we are all suggesting solutions here. only your diagnosis and prescription doesn't match with some others.

Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 14:00 #
Revivalist
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Last night you all might have watched capital talk and have observed the strong public opinion that is clearly saying that all these foreign agencies are involved in these bomb blasts. Besides, that last comment of Hamid Mir was very surprising, he said an Agent of Raw has been arrested, who has done that blast in Mena Bazaar! Despite all this the government is unwilling to take up the issue strongly and say openly that India is directly involved in these blasts and so is Black water etc. The difference between the opinion and understand of the govt and people is 180 degree!!!

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 5:31 #
amin1924
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Govt does not want to 'diverge' focus and attention of people from the agenda given by KL Bill, if they disobey then they will get punished!

So they can only complain in private and get 'assurance' in private :)

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 5:55 #
Revivalist
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What a corrupt, insincere, dishonest, deceitful, hypocritical bunch of people are ruling pakistan!!!! Despite knowing all this very well the media is trying to busy itself in Gilgit Baltistan, MQM coming to Punjab etc issues just to capture the attention of people so that they don’t question about the situation of Waziristan and what is happening in swat etc. May Allah (swt) help us in turning the table over and replacing all these mentally, morally, intellectually corrupt rulers with sincere, honest, pious, God fearing and able rulers and system.

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 6:15 #
KHAN_Sahib
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@Beenai and Sirpakistan:

I don't know, which planet u guys are living! Taliban are going on and are involved in suicide bombing on american instructions? Wat a load of crap!

Enlighten me if you may please: If I accept that Talibans are behind all these bomb blasts then...

1. Why are they killing Pushtuns? As you know this very well that majority of Talibans are Pushtuns so why the hell they will destroy their own homes? Why would they want their stronghold destroyed and why would they want to lose the support of Pushtuns by blasting their cities?
2. The Biggest Opposition among all the regional parties against Talibans is MQM! So how come Taliban are not planting bombs in Karachi and Hyderabad (as per MQM, there is a stronghold of Taliabans in Karachi) and how come they didn't try to target any of MQM Leaders?
3. Why Talibans are killing American and British Troops if they are American agents?
4. Why Talibans are trying to kill Hamid Karzai (an american PIMP) who is the biggest supporter of America and is an american agent?
5. Why Talibans are only (mainly) targeting GHQ, FIA Building, Army and Police Chowkis and 4 and 5 Star hotels (In Islamabad Marriot.... FBI team was physically living in that hotel and Peshawar PC was bought by CIA/FBI and they were going to establish a center for american activities) and not just a bomb in Anarkali?

I am sorry, but you guys have fail to analyze simple facts but are blinded with your one sided hatred for those who just simply are fighting for their survival against foreign and Pakistani Troops.

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 14:57 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Khan sb.'s points are common! sense. I agree with his points.

Taliban can't be behind them. It doesn't make sense.

Taliban have ALSO stopped accepting responsibility for the recent attacks. Why is it that govt. of Pakistan is not investigating these incidents ?

Especially in case of Islamic University incident, for which even the Vice Chancellor said he suspected foreign hand in Talat's show.

Why didn't govt. of Pakistan persue that ?!?!!

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 19:12 #
KHAN_Sahib
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They still have to investigate the LAL Masjid Incident...

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 19:17 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I agree. Govt. of Pakistan has left, too many cases unresolved.

Provision of speedy justice is the BASIC DUTY of any govt.

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 19:23 #
KHAN_Sahib
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Just like Govt of Pakistan, I am surprised to see some of our friends on this forum snoozing and believe in the bias media which has been controlled by the Govt and Agencies:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/11/091110_rsf_waziristan_rh.shtml

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 19:32 #
KHAN_Sahib
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Just like Govt of Pakistan, I am surprised to see some of our friends on this forum snoozing and believe in the bias media which has been controlled by the Govt and Agencies:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/11/091110_rsf_waziristan_rh.shtml

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 19:32 #

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