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Political Demise of Jamat Islami

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sweettruth
Member

PTI bandwagon is hot topic on this PkPolitics forum these days so I have decided to change the topic because it is getting boring and monotonous.

New topic is "Political Demise of Jamat Islami" once JI was darling of Establishment and army generals used Mansoora against their rivals successfully in the 70s, 80s and 90s and even MMA were also behind Musharraf. Now JI is fast losing support among general public and army generals too do not back them anymore. Due to their differences, alliance like MMA between religious parties is a remote possibility. JI has excellent media skills and very well ideologically committed leaders, well organised force of workers and a strong student union in mostly urban centres.
What are causes of their political demise?
Why do they lack public support?
What is future of JI in our political scene?
Why army generals do not need JI anymore?
What is role of religious parties in our political system?
Is politics on religious basis dead in Pakistan?

All opinions are welcome. Please ensure use of decent language and tolerance in expressing your views.

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 12:45 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Before the rise of MQM in Karachi, JI was the most popular political party of the city. Their mayor Sattar Afghani enjoyed two terms. Most of the trade unions and student unions in Karachi were lead by JI. However, their criminal silence over massive killings in Karachi provided golden opportunities to MQM for rising. The rising of MQM caused an utter collapse to JI in Karachi.

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 12:58 #
sandman
Member

Nice one sweettruth...

Post a different topic, but still couldn't resist having a dig at PTI :)

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 13:06 #
aftab arif
Member

@HF

"their criminal silence over massive killings in Karachi provided golden opportunities to MQM for rising"

What happened to the ratings of the parties that were doing the killings?

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 13:06 #
sweettruth
Member

One can differ (including me) with the ideology and style of politics of JI; however, JI has excellent organisational skills and powerful media presence in our society. Jamiat were a potent force in Karachi University when I was there in the early 80s.

JI has not only lost support in Karachi (MQM factor) but also in other parts of the country including Lahore where they once enjoyed considerable influence especially their student wing in Punjab university.

Where JI is heading under incompetent and visionless leadership of Syed Munawwar Hasan?

What is wrong now?
Is ideology of Maodoodi dead?

What is the future of Religion and politics in Pakistan?
Why general public do not trust religious parties in a highly conservative Pakistani society?

What will be new slogan of JI? Jihad slogan is not working anymore as it did in the 80s.
Last thing this country needs is the slogan of Khilafat from Mansoora.

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 13:35 #
bsobaid
Member

It was basically due to Jamat's lack of interest towards elections and non-stop complaining. It was also because of their priorities. Awam are interested in local day-to-day problems rather than go amreeka go. They failed to make use of Naimatullah Khan sahab's excellent work in Karachi for their benefit.

Munawwar Hasan is too aggressive and not a good politician.

Jamat also refused to change with the changing times. They need re-branding and big bang entrance into politics once again. Jamat at the moment lack charismatic leader.

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 14:51 #
Dusky
Member

Politics is an evolving process. Whoever refuse to evolve or refuse to accept the changing dynamics lose the momentum. Same happen in case of JI. People get tired of same slogans over and over without any results.

Second, they miss the information revolution boat, so is the participation from younger generation. Look at the leadership and most of their membership, I am pretty sure they have the highest average age among their leaders/members comparing to any other party in Pakistan.

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 15:03 #
sochopakistani
Member

Jamat developed complete disconnection with people's day to day issues. They excellent manpower and organisation skilss but good for organizing "Ijtamai Qurbani" and collecting "Kahlein".
No doubt, If munawar huseein remained as Ameer for some more time to "Unki daastan bhi nahi hogi daastano mein"

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 15:08 #
Dusky
Member

Another factor is the end of so called Afghan fasad. They were getting boat load of support from Pakistan military establishment and petro dollar. But once American interest in fasad diverted they become liability, so is establishment started parting away from JI. Also, other religious political parties surface on Pakistan political arena like, SSP, JI and smaller groups and they were interested in political process. Those parties also put a big dent in JI's vote bank as people get a choice beside usual JI and JUP.

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 15:09 #
bsobaid
Member

Jamat can re-brand itself.
Global environment is in their favor only if they make the right move.

Jamat's reformed cousins are now getting in power in middle east. Justice and Dev Part of Trukey, RAshid Al-Ghanoushy of Tunisia, Mehdi Akif of Ikhwan in Egypt and the list goes on.

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 15:49 #
Dusky
Member

Biggest difference between Pakistan and those countries is their sectarian unity. They have only one major right wing political party. In case of Pakistan, we have multiple and sectarian divide is sharp.

On a larger scale, I agree, JI should re-brand itself with a bit flexibility, broader agenda and try to connect with common Pakistani rather then focusing on select few. Also, current Amear should go and some one younger and more energetic person lead the pack.

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 19:14 #
bsobaid
Member

It was'nt the case in Turkey...They had other center right political parties.

In other countries also there were center right wing parties but they were more like Q-Leagues. Parties like Ikhwan etc actually resisted the dictatorship. In due time, more will emerge...

A business person with good education should be made Jamat's ameer and Jamat should raise popular awami slogans against feudals rather than go amreeka go. Laikin masla yeh hai kay moulana ne land reforms kay khilaaf likha hai..I guess Jamat can just ignore it..

Jamat is a natural choice for Pakistani awam only if Jamat can focus more on awami masa'el. To clarify, N-League in early days was a reformed face of Jamat...laikin Shareef jaisay dumb leaders se allah bachaey..

Posted 6 months ago on 14 Nov 2011 19:45 #
Adonis
Member

I believe the "Gorbachev" of Jamaat-i-Islami was Qazi Hussain Ahmed. He tried to rebrand JI in 1993 into a party of youth and 'revolution'. It was the first time that music and bhangras became the mainstay of JI election jalsas. During the 1993 election campaign a great hype of JI (or Pakistan Islamic Front) was created. Who can forget the great campaign of "Zalimo! Qazi Aa Raha Hai" and the huge jalsas that Qazi staged. The target of JI leadership at that time was PML-N, a party that was just created in 1993 but was considered arch enemy of army because Nawaz Sharif had just been removed from power through army's collusion. During this campaign, such dirty language was used against NS and PML-N which had never been a part of Jamaat culture. As a result, many old members of JI decided to become inactive.

Although JI lost poorly in the elections but it did manage to poll enough votes to ensure PML-N's defeat and PPP's victory in 25-30 NA constituencies thus paving the way for Benazir Bhutto's return to power. This resulted in great disillusionment among JI traditional voters and most of them do not vote for JI anymore because they consider it as a waste and as splitting up of right wing vote.

Plus the crop of 'younger' leadership of JI that included Liaquat Baloch and Hafiz Salman Butt was pretty pathetic and character-wise was no where near the initial core leadership. This also contributed to JI's downfall.

I do not think there is any way that JI can re-brand itself. It is a dinosaur now and perhaps this shows that those who disagreed with Maudoodi Sahib in Machhi Goth's ijtama in 1953 and opposed turning JI into a political party were correct. JI could have had a much more significant impact if it had remained a 'social' organization instead of joining electoral politics.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 5:31 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

aftab

It was Zia Government's policy to weaken the strength of the political parties of that time in Karachi. Massive killings were done in the hands of drug mafia in the areas of Qasba Colony and Khawja Ajmer Nagri. JI was the most popular party of Karachi at that time. It had its Mayor and nos. of MNAs and MPAs from karachi, but it remained silent over massive killings. The result was total downfall of JI in Karachi.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 10:33 #
sweettruth
Member

@Adonis

Well described!

More postmortem of Jamat's falling popularity is also contributed by one key factor; resist changing in the fast changing political landscape. In order to survive in a tough political environment, political parties MUST adopt to public mood and demands especially in this electronic age of facebook and twitter. Jamat always needed support of army generals and Right wing parties to play their role in Pakistani politics but what it seems now is a backfire on Jamat itself for being too close to army and inflexible style of politics and negative role they played during Afghan fasad of the 80s.

While ordanary Pakistanis had been suffering for long time under different rulers, Jamat was busy protesting on streets against Kashmir problem, Chechnya unrest, Afghan jihad, Israel atrocities and American policies.
Once I asked one of my die-hard Jamati uncles to explain this and his answer was simply unacceptable; he replied Jamat cares the whole Muslim world not just Pakistani Muslims. I said to him “fine, what about socio-economic problems of ordinary Pakistanis as majority of people do not even know where Chechnya is let alone its problems.”

In my view, current politics of today’s Pakistan is a whole new ball game for their incompetent and visionless leadership. They MUST get ridd of their current leaders and give opportunity to young leaders to get JI out of present wilderness.

I thank all contributors to share their views and expect more to do so.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 10:46 #
khanamer
Member

In my humble view, it is simple, JI has been political arm of Military establishment, JI and IJT were the political and public tool for any resistance they wanted to show to any govt. nothing more they were in their entire history. The leadership of JI since 1977 never had any political vision nor ideology, their main aim is to support what they were told... Like every tool JI had an expiry date and their last performance was in the movie called MMA... now that there is other party who can easily replace JI and MQM...

soon we will see a thread talking about the political demise of MQM...

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 10:54 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

khanamer

Most of the citizens of Pakistan are tired of the existing political parties. All may die by the passage of time.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 11:08 #
khanamer
Member

@Hussaid Farooqui,

If i may suggest, it is the poltiical elite they are tired of!!!

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 11:43 #
sweettruth
Member

Establishment-backed political parties have an expiry date and such groups thrive and lose public support sooner. Today army generals are promoting PTI as an alternative; soon you will see PTI disappearing in political wilderness. Army generals use politicians as a tissue paper and Pakistani politicl history verifies my above statement.

First of all, JI need to replace their currrent ineffective leaders probabaly all current key office holders. And then Jamat Islami once again need support from army generals to play some role (due to their excellent organisational skiils) in politics otherwise they will struggle to win Nazim elections in the future due to their rapidly falling popularity.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 11:45 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

JI and JUI were like blue eyed boys of the American CIA during the Afghan war. The leaders of both became billionaires by sharing the money that poured into Pakistan for the Afghan Jihad.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 11:55 #
sweettruth
Member

@Hussain Farooqui

Are they still blue eyed boys of the American CIA or not? In our region, jihad is an industry and Afghan fasad provided army of jihadi mercenaries which were used by ISI and CIA to defeat Soviets. Now burning question is: how to bell jihadi cat?

How can we get rid of jihadi industry?

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 12:05 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

sweettruth

They were in use at that time, so they were blue eyed boys. Now, they are stand by tools of the American CIA. Stand by tools become important when brought into use.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 12:10 #
sweettruth
Member

@Hussain Farooqui

You are right!

Both pro-jihadi dramay baz are still effective force to reckon with and can be available for any future use by ISI and CIA.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 12:16 #
bsobaid
Member

Jamat has been a tool of establishment because of its stated policy. Maulana has himself written that he wants the highly trained people of jamat to accumulate important positions in government and intelligensia. He believed a bottom-up approach is a long route and felt that a top-down approach is far more effective.

His approach worked all right, except with dire consequences. A large number of important journalists were trained by Moulana and majority of them were at one point or the other belonged to jamat. Many politicians also belonged to jamat or jamiat originally. Similarly, Jamat became good friends with Zia and helped in islamization process. However, this short-cut route taken by jamat was unsustainable as expected.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 13:37 #
bsobaid
Member

Ideologically and practically, IJI and N-League during BB times is what Jamat aspired to be, but with cleaner people among its ranks.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 13:39 #
bsobaid
Member

Munawwar Hasan interview.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/multimedia/2011/11/111115_munawar_hassan_int_rh.shtml

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 14:35 #
expakistani
Member

@Adonis
very well said about JI and Qazi sahib....

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 14:38 #
bsobaid
Member

Jamat, even before Qazi sahab did not get any more votes than its 3 seats under Pakistan Islamic Front. On the other side Jamat got more seats than all combined in its hisotry under mulla-military allaince (MMA) during Musharraf times under Qazi sahab.

Even during the times of moulana, JI got 3 seats in all of Pakistan in its first ever elections.

Jamat's best option and opportunity is Karachi but Jamat for some reason did not try to fill the void in Karachi even though Munawwar Hasan belongs to Karachi and a mahajir.

Posted 6 months ago on 15 Nov 2011 16:48 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

A correct terminology for JI may be Political Instrument rather than a Political Party. The American CIA used JI and JUI as very effective tools during the Afghan-Soviet war.

Posted 6 months ago on 16 Nov 2011 5:46 #
ChangeIK
Blocked

@khanamer and @Adonis,

People have started discussing the demise of PMLN and probably that of PPP.

Which world you are living in? Get concerned about your own backyard, before you comment on JI (not that I have any sympathy for JI).

Establishment parties have an expiry date true - and PMLN's is 2013 or any new election year.

Posted 6 months ago on 16 Nov 2011 14:05 #
Dusky
Member

D we have JI supporters on board? Would be interesting to see their feedback on the topic.

Haris bhai, any input?

Posted 6 months ago on 16 Nov 2011 16:05 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

@HF

"their criminal silence over massive killings in Karachi provided golden opportunities to MQM for rising"

Is this the only reason of JI demise? In Karachi, the reason was not it's silence but the fact that majority of its youth actually joined MQM and Sunni Tehreek.

But what about its position in Baluchistan and K-P? Those two provinces once had their hard core sections but now it has disseminated totally.

One of the strongest reason of JI dissemination was it's diversion to the Afghan Jihad. JI was getting a lot of weapons and money from Saudi and they were happy to send young youths for Jihad while their top brass was enjoying the drawing room life.
Once this organized party lost its ideology, it also became one of the “other” parties who would just preach but not act. Qazi Sahib has done more harm than good to this party but than so did professor Ghafoor and the co. in the past when they become the “darling” of Mard e Momin.

Posted 6 months ago on 16 Nov 2011 18:05 #
gujjartalwar
Member

"in the past when they become the “darling” of Mard e Momin."

I think this may be the core reason of JI's problems. They were champions of democracy until Zia took over. They forgot everything and joined his Govt. They have since been agitating against elected Govts and supporting the Generals. They thrived under Musharraf and provided him all the legal cover he needed.

Generals have now found new recruits but, you never know, they might rewind them another time.

Posted 6 months ago on 16 Nov 2011 19:13 #
mariabashir
Member

I think thats enough reason!

Posted 6 months ago on 16 Nov 2011 19:15 #
siddiqi73
Member

@ChangeIK,

Lol, the obituary of your one man club is already drafted and about to be printed in all the revered publications and a formal funeral will be held at the parade ground adjacent to GHQ.

Posted 6 months ago on 16 Nov 2011 19:20 #
stingingnettle
Member

The sooner all the theocratic parties are consigned to history the better. Whatever the reasons for JI's demise are, I am hugely impressed to see that people are no longer willing to put up with religious bigotry of JI and other such outfits. I guess empty promises can eventually make people smarter.

Posted 6 months ago on 16 Nov 2011 21:54 #
expakistani
Member

I dont see Haris Khan any more, he was one educated Jamati. Would have defended Jamat-e-Islami in right way?

Any new from him??

Posted 6 months ago on 17 Nov 2011 1:59 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Khan Saheb

You rightly pointed towards the reason of JI's dissemination with reference to Afghan war. In Karachi also, the reason why they could not raise voice against killings was their association with the arms and narcotics smugglers. Those smugglers had close association with JI in cross boarders activities. Another point that you rightly indicated is that the youths left JI and joined MQM and Sunni Tehrek. As a matter of fact, JI's criminal silence angered most of the youths and they then joined MQM and Sunni Tehrek.

Posted 6 months ago on 17 Nov 2011 5:28 #
junaid
Member

expakistani

i think he was here a couple weeks ago. .last time, Fj was talking to him in some other thread

Posted 6 months ago on 17 Nov 2011 8:21 #
HollyFlame
Member

Jammat is still very popular among the people.JI succefully won more than 35% seats in last Baldiati elections.
Moreover the work by Jammat specially during the flood is so promising that I'm sure that JI will easily achieve a bigger target.

Posted 6 months ago on 17 Nov 2011 9:03 #
sweettruth
Member

@Addul Rafay

You will hardly find anyone supporting your claim of JI popularity among public. JI is fast reaching to its political demise unless army generals provide them some support. Establishment-backed parties do not survive long and Jamat once a well orgainsed group is fast running out of political oxygen.

Posted 6 months ago on 17 Nov 2011 12:58 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Social works have been good on the part of JI. That is why JI is still supported by public in its social works. However, the political works of JI have been very disappointing.

Posted 6 months ago on 17 Nov 2011 13:17 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

Yes...
Jammat can take credit of it's social work but it is also the Biggest religious party who has misused Islam for its own ulterior motives. I am not against following Quran and Sunnah as a guide for our political direction but I am against using this great religion for one own motives like Mard e Momin did!

Posted 6 months ago on 17 Nov 2011 19:32 #
saadi79
Member

تنظیم یا جماعتیں دراصل معاشرے میں موجود عوام کی مدد اور تائید سےکمزور یا مضبوط ہوتی ہیں۔اسلئے اگر معاشرہ ہی زوال پذیر ہو تو جماعت یا دیگر سیاسی جماعتوں کا زندہ رہنا یا نہ رہنا کیا معنی رکھتا ہے۔اسلِے یہ سوال ہی سرے سے غلط ہے کہ جماعت کی ناکامی یا "موت" کی کیا وجوہات ہیں ۔ اگر وجوہات ہی تلاش کرنی ہیں تو اس معاشرے کے زوال پزیر ہونیکی وجوہات تلاش کی جائِں جہاں چونسٹھ برسوں میں بحیثیت قوم ہماری اخلاقی حالت بہتر ہونیکی بجاے بد سے بدتر ہوتی چلی گئ۔ اسلام کے نام پر حاصل کئے گئے ملک کی نظریاتی اساس کیساتھ کھلواڑ شروع کیا گیا،کبھی سوشلزم کے نام پر اور کبھی نام نہاد روٹِی کپڑا مکان کے نعرے پر۔۔پھر سرمایہ داریت کا دور آیا جو ساتھ ساتھ قوم پرستی کا طوفان بھی اپنے ساتھ لے کے آیا،۔نام نہاد سوشلسٹ سیکولر ہوگئے اور امریکہ کے گن گانے لگے، پنجاب،سندھ،خیبر اور بلوچستان کے سرداروں "اور وڈیروں نے لوٹا کریسی کی عظیم مثالیں قائم کیں کہ "عوامی مینڈیٹ انکی پشت پر موجود تھا،جمشید دستی جیسے لوگ اس ملک کی پہچان بنے جنہیں کرپٹ ہوتے ہوے بحی عوامی تائید حاصل رہی،جعلی ڈگری والے مسلم لیگی بھی کسی سے پیچھے نہ رہے اور معاشرے کی رہی سہی ساکھ ٹارگٹ کلرز اور بھتہ خوری نے ختم کردی۔۔۔۔ ایسے میں اگر کسی نے ملک کی نظریاتی اساس کو بچا کر رکھا ہوا ہے تو وہ صرف جماعت اسلامی ہے جس نے پاکستان کے بنتے ہی قرارداد مقاصد منظور کرواکر اسے ۷۳، کے آئِن کا حصہ بنوایا اور پاکستان اسلامی جمہوریہ پاکستان ہوگیا۔پھر اسی نظریاتی اساس کو بچانے کیلیے جماعت نے افغان جہاد میں حصہ لیا اور سوشلسٹون کے خوابوں کو چکنا چور کردیا جو پاکستان کو ایک سوشلسٹ ریاست کے طور پر دیکھنا چاہتے تھے۔ ایک ایسے معاشرے میں جہاں جماعت اسلامی کی قبولیت ۳ فیصد سے زیادہ نہ ہو وہاں جماعت کا یہ کارنامہ کیا کم نہیں۔۔ پھر بقول بغیرت بریگئید "گڈ لکنگ جماعت اسلامی" بھی میدان میں آگئ ہے جسمیں بظاہر سامنے تو عمران خان ہیں مگر پیچھے سب جماعتی ہیں۔ حفیظ اللہ خان نیازی کے پاس تحریک انصاف کا کوئ عہدہ نہین مگر سب کو پتہ ہے کہ وہ عمران کی پشت پر ہیں اور زمانہ طالب علمی سے ہی اسلامی جمعیت طلبہ سے وابستہ رہے اور آج بحی وہ اور جماعت لے لوگ ایک دوسرے کو احترام کیسا تھ دیکھتے ہیں،اسکے علاوہ جماعت کی شوری کے سابق رکن اور جمعیت کے سابق ناظم اعلی اعجاز چوہدری صاحب بھی بڑے طمطراق کیساتھ تحریک انساف کی نائب صدارت سے وابستہ ہیں اور محمود الرشید اور دیگر کا زکر ہی کیا۔ لہزا جماعت پر تبری بحِجنے کے بجاے وہ سیاسی راجواڑے اپنا محاسبہ کرِین جو خاندانی سایست کے بل بوتے پر انقلاب لانے کا سوچ رہےہیں یا پھر برطانوی و امریکی پاسپورٹ لیےپاکستان سے باہر پناہ گزیں ہیں مگر مودودی صاحب کی پیدا کی گئ زہنیت پاکستان مین آج بحی موجود ہے۔

Posted 6 months ago on 17 Nov 2011 23:27 #
sweettruth
Member

@saadi79

Your support for JI is justified but you cannot merely blame anarchy in Pakistani society responsible for failure of JI. Jamat hardly enjoys 1% electoral support in our election system and its past role in terms of supporting army generals/afghan fasad has left Mansoora in a very unpopular position in the eyes of voting public. Whether you admit or not; it is an undeniable fact that Jamat has always backed army generals and benefited immensely during Afghan fasad of 80s.

I do not see Jamat emerging in our society unless they get support of army generals. You will find very fewer people including myself agreeing with you over ideology of Maodoodi; my view is it is already dead.

Posted 6 months ago on 18 Nov 2011 14:10 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Khan Saheb

What you have really pointed out is the dark and unforgivable aspect of JI. Misuse of religion results into curse of God.

Posted 6 months ago on 19 Nov 2011 5:38 #
HollyFlame
Member

@sweettruth

Well you are neglecting the ground realities.In past JI surely had made lot of mistakes and the worst of it was surely misusing Islam.But now change is everywhere,It can also be seen in JI.
They still propagate against their old friend"America", but not as much as in past.The new leadership of JI has realized that they can not fool people anymore.

So they are working on ground levels,through social works and seminars.JI collected funds of about 11,00,00,00,000 rupees through local and western funds during past floods.Many associations from Turkey came with lot of help and support for the flood victims, similarly a foundation from Canada namely Reads Foundation came up with funds and teams who would help the poor children of the flood victims to continue their education by building new schools in those devastated areas.The overseas Pakistani also sent money to JI.
Despite of western fundings the credit for largest share in these huge funds still goes to the people of Pakistan.In fact JI collected largest amount of funds from any other political party, which clarifies that people still believe in the honesty of JI and its leaders.
So I think If Syed Munawar Hassan changes his attitude, try to become more reasonable and firm.The people will support him.

Posted 6 months ago on 19 Nov 2011 10:08 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Dear Abdul Rafay

True that it is never too late for one to change himself. A lot of Sahabas were idol worshippers before embracing Islam. After embracing Islam in the hands of Holy Prophet SAW, they became the greatest Muslims of the Islamic history. Realization of past mistakes is the greatest blessing. That was what our beloved Sahabas did. Allah's doors are never closed for those who seek forgiveness. If so is the case with JI, I am very glad to know. They are after all our brethren-in-Islam.

Posted 6 months ago on 19 Nov 2011 11:40 #
sweettruth
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Jamat Islami grew under the shadow of army Establishment and their leadership/workers enjoyed full support of army generals especially during Afghan fasad of the 1980's.

In comparison, today's PTI is also on the same route busy polishing boots of army generals. Imran Khan too was introduced in politics by an Establishment tool Gen Hameed Gul and God knows what assurances were given to him in the mid 90's by then Establishment. Imran Khan then continued to work under Gen Musharraf Establishment with his single seat and even claimed that Musharraf offered him Prime Minster post. I do not know how one can be offered a PM post with one seat in Parliament. Today, once again a party is being promoted by current army establishment like they did to Jamat Islami which resulted in the political death of Jamat Islami. In my opinion, one of the main reasons for JI political wilderness is its too close relationship with army establishment. Same mistake is being repeated by Imran and his mis-advisors in their pursuit of top job in Islamabad under current establishment.

Imran should not forget political death of Jamat Islami and who knows what will happen to his tiny PTI party of small followers in future. Pakistani Army generals are best political strategist and have reputation of being fair weather friends and they know very well how to use politicians for their own dirty purposes.

In my view, Imran should proceed with caution in this difficult and windy road of politics.

Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 13:24 #
siddiqi73
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Ironically, the Jamatis can still call upon a huge congregation at a moments notice anywhere in Pakistan:

http://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/E-Paper/Lahore/2011-12-12/page-1/detail-10

Yet, when it comes to electoral politics; they have zilch to show.

Posted 5 months ago on 12 Dec 2011 13:30 #

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