Political ,religious and social philosophers Boom in media ...Good or Bad?

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Political ,religious and social philosophers Boom in media ...Good or Bad?

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Beenai
Moderator

i fail to understand these easy to cook philosopher phenomena.
some how our society has been blessed with so many political ,social and religious philosopher that i wonder where were they before .
this mushroom growth of philosophers sometimes make me scared .
as we are the nation with a very weak Eiman .
very emotional and we hardly go for rationales .
majority of us ...start believing whatever we are listening.
so i m afraid .
r these philosopher worth our trust ?
what is their origin?
what is their agenda ?
where were they before?
these social and political and religious scholars made me scared and CONFUSED.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Jun 2009 12:33 #
shamwariz
Member

All product of your favourite AZAD media..

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Jun 2009 12:38 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Sham,
u cant mix things .
independent news media is one phenomena that indicates people's will is something that matter in the society.
an independent media is the bridge between people and the Govt ...
an independent media is the mirror of the society .
its an eye opener ...
its the one gives u a wake up call.
its the watch dog.

yah ..mushroom growth of philosophers are something ...
some hidden forces are taking advantage of this independent media by using these philosophers .

but for this you cant blame the independence of media .
and u cant support a ban on all media .
its like that
u refuse to have a life saving medicine
by saying
it may have got alcohol in it.

my take on this mushroom ,ready made philosopher tackling is this
that media organizations should be very careful about these philosophers background and whereabouts before signing a contract of a daily or weekly show.
every Tom ,**** Harry should not be allowed to have a daily or weekly show on a popular tv.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Jun 2009 12:53 #
Beenai
Moderator

u must have heard
NEEM HAKEEM KHATRA E JAAN
NEEM MULLAH KAHTRA E EIMAAN

i strongly condemn these neem hakeems and neem mullas .
a drinking dancing man should not be considered an authority on islam ...by having a jews beard and Amir Adnan sherwani.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Jun 2009 12:55 #
shamwariz
Member

@ beenai
Again you yourself said and endorsed me..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Every Tom ,**** Harry should not be allowed to have a daily or weekly show on a popular TV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That was my meaning I told yours and mine ideals are same but you have little little problems I wish you never had those..

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Jun 2009 13:04 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Shamwariz,
i dont have any little problem .
either i have problem
or
i have no problem.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Jun 2009 13:22 #
Beenai
Moderator

i am talking about particular ppl ...
suddenly has got popularity .
like
who is Zaid Hamid?
person with a red cap ..talks about very sensational stuff all the times .
who is Ghamidi sahib?
person got picked out from Geo and stationed at Aaj?
who is Amir Liaqat ?

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Jun 2009 13:34 #
ucsher
Member

The real problem is that unlike any other country, in pakistan there is a big monopoly of Newspaper groups even in the the so-called free electronic media.

Now since newspapers are all about having tabsaray and tajziay , as well as, brandishing their own political policy (i.e right, left, center)
Therefore you see them trying to squeeze all those nehlas and dehlas, either as a host or as an analyst on their channels, who have been writing for them in their editorials for ages!

Plus its only natural that these guys would even try to distort the real facts by asking questions like "is this our wars or not?" etc , just because they are in a habit of doing so in their columns as well(just to support the policy of their respective newspapers), the only difference is, that when they did such things in their columns hardly any one read them, though when they are doing it on live telivision, a whole lot of people are watching them!

So in essence nothing has changed in pakistan by the introduction of electronic media, if anything it has just aggravated the political divide (i.e in right and left, liberals and conservatives) that was previously just limited to the papers!

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Jun 2009 13:48 #
Beenai
Moderator

@ucsher,
i am least concerned about political philosophers.
my real concern is religious ones.
who are Khatra e Eiman for us .
yah ...
political philosophers are also damaging but if u compare the damage versus damage which one is greater ?i think ,what religious scholars are doing.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 4:34 #
ucsher
Member

@Beenai

Don't you know, Islam is the most salable commodity in Pakistan and that's why each and every channel is running a religious show on their network! (and some of them are running daily as well)..hence this great no. of religious scholars!

Its a business stupid!, just count the number of those expensive calls that people make on these shows and try to to have some idea about the profit these channels and govt. both are making with such shows.

Every nation has obsessions and since our obsession is our religion that's exactly why even our news & current affair channels don't feel guilty about running the programs of religious nature with such audacity!

Have you ever seen the likes of Cnns, bcc or even some Indian current affair/ news channel running religious shows like that?

Its just a matter of demand and supply, people like to involve Islam even when they wear new paints and channels make sure that they have their own man answering such silly questions on regular basis!

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 5:51 #
shamwariz
Member

The political philosophers have proved to be more detrimental then religious one.

The current political tornado in Pakistan is stuffed with religious ammunition, and very sadly all our issues find the roots in complex Religious web.

It is all because religion has been the handiest tool available with the Establishment to mentally decapitate the Nation and thanks to mushroom of Mullahs readily available in the Market full fill its dream.

If we do SWOT analysis.

All our (SWOT) Strengths, Weakness, Opportunities, Threats were deliberately made to so scornfully tangled with religion that has led this Nation to wilderness.

Look which of our issue is not related to religion.

Pakistan born… On the name of Islam
Pakistan .. Fort of Islam
Atomic Bomb …. Islamic Bomb
Liberation of Kashmir… Jihad-e- Kashmir
Afghan war… Jihad-e- Afghanistan

The realities of our Nation so extremely divided on religio/cum sectarian lines made this religion card used by Establishment fail miserably.

Now the only slogan left in Pakistan is alJihad alJihad YaShaheed Ya Shaheed..

Taliban says alJihad …alJihad YaShaheed Ya Shaheed
Army says alJihad …alJihad YaShaheed Ya Shaheed
Mullah says alJihad… alJihad YaShaheed Ya Shaheed
Qazi says alJihad alJihad YaShaheed Ya Shaheed
Imran says alJihad alJihad YaShaheed Ya Shaheed

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 5:51 #
Beenai
Moderator

@uscher ,
thats what i was saying in my previous post .
i understand that islam has become a BRAND .
and they are selling it.
thats why i m afraid of it .
my point was
what to do to tackle this scary storm of religious scholars?

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 6:17 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Shamwariz,
i disagree.
in politics ...u can still have your own opinion ...
no matter if u r a milkman or a doctor ..
u r a vegetable seller or a businessman ....
u r a housewife or a professor ....
u r free to make your own mind bout political happenings .
u dont need to relay on others .

but as long as religion is concerned
its a very sensitive thing
and ppl think that they are not the authority on this.
that's why they are not suppose to comment or make their own opinion about anything until or unless they got a stamp from a moulvi or a religious scholar on it.

media is taking advantage of this mentality of ppl .
i can say good or bad things about Zardari or nawaz sharif easily ...
but i would think 100 times before commenting on a Hadiah ,is it authentic or not ..i dont know ...i need a certain moulana of my cult to approve that haiadh authenticate it than i will believe in it .

that's why they have hired religious pandits
to move the audience towards their particular channel to promote particular thought pattern ,towards islam .

and that's the scary thing for me in the whole story.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 6:29 #
netengr
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The politics and war started by Islamic political groups bring "Islam" in discussion .

Ghamdi is originally from Jamaat Islami and become a baghi .

Shahid Masoud ,ansar abbasi ,Hamid Mir ,Sawat Jamaal Asmi also become muffti in journalism

check the latest from Moulana Shahid Masoud RA

http://jang.com.pk/jang/jun2009-daily/03-06-2009/col4.htm

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 8:42 #
ucsher
Member

@netenger

don't waste your time on that guy..He is always busy giving prophecies when not searching for a mouth watering job!

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 8:46 #
Beenai
Moderator

these are all useless philosophers .
moaulana Shahid Masood is what
who has been sold out to a big designtion?
his price tag is a big govt designation..
and u can purchase his VIEWS .........

this selling and buying is allowed in Moulana Shahid Masood religion?

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 8:50 #
msohail83
Member

@netengr

You are always busy discussing personalities. What kind of satisfaction do you get out of it?

He's written an article why not agree or disagree with his opinion and discuss it in detail.

Why do you waste your time on these folks when you despise them so much?

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 8:58 #
netengr
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I think is also a good sign because The Political Mulla was fooling us and using Islam as their weapon in politics .No one could argue when they say some thing about Islam ,These Political Mulla makes all issues of world as Islamic issues .

Now on the other side these Mullah also questioned by other non Political Islamic scholars .it is become balanced now

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 8:59 #
netengr
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msohail

in this forum who do not talk about personality ????

Zerdari ,Nawaz shareef and others are not the personality ???
we all discuss them ,but you do not take notice because you do not like them ,may be you love shahid masoud that is why it hurt you .

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:01 #
msohail83
Member

Don't make a fool out of urself!

You posted his article and started bashing his personality.
Why don't u counter it with arguments, silly??

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:04 #
netengr
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msohail

what is the topic

Political ,religious and social philosophers Boom in media ...Good or Bad?

if i say about shahid masoud what is the issue ??

Making fun of Zerdari is Halal ...criticizing Shahid masoud is haram ?

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:13 #
ucsher
Member

@sohail

no offense dude but the way this opportunist has been given a lite rap on his knuckles by geo (in the form of a single jawabdeh program which revealed his true personality) after all his controversial activities, i think it should be a duty of every one to throw at least a rock on this media-Satan who in reality is nothing more than a self-righteous hypocrite!

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:14 #
msohail83
Member

Well netenger, this is ALL you do each and every single day. You know it very well.

From Imran to anybody u dislike, you tie them up with JI and start bashing.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:19 #
msohail83
Member

@ucsher
His program is named 'In my opinion', nobody is forced to watch it.

Fact is that it is extremely popular show and brings a lot of revenue for GEO. They aren't doing him any favor. It's a two way street.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:21 #
ucsher
Member

@sohail
and dare if i may say that similarly whatever netenger says is his own opinion and you are not forced in any way to subscribe to it?

so you can always ignore him, if you can't stand him!

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:24 #
netengr
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mshohail

In this post did i bring Imran ??? in these days "Islam " is used by Political groups and Media and ofcourse those who started this like JI should be bring in discussion .
I tied Ghamdi with Jamaat islami because he started from Jamaat islami and he has been a member of JI for long time .

I am free to say my opinion and it is related to the topic .

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:28 #
Beenai
Moderator

and i think .........
we are deviating from the topic.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:30 #
msohail83
Member

lol sher,

Good point!

It's hard to ignore it when it's there in every single thread.

It gets old and extremely annoying.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:53 #
Beenai
Moderator

i have written mails to different channels regarding this religious philosophers spamming the channels and creating nothing but confusions and innocent ppl are following him blindly.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 9:59 #
shamwariz
Member

Lets get back to the topic which is a healthy one.

A religious Mullah giving weak Hadis related to practicing of Haqoq Allah regarding Salat, Fasting etc is not problem as long as it doesn’t disturb the social fabric.

But a Political Mullahs in the Media are the most dangerous and poisonous, They intoxicate the Social Fabric with the twisted school of thought.

Political Mullahs could be with or without beard like Shahid Hamid, Ansaar Abbasi, Shahid Mardoods, Irfan Siddique Hamid Mir etc etc..

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 10:00 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Shamwariz,
political mulla can only take ur duniya .
religious mulla can take ur deen .

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 10:05 #
shamwariz
Member

@ Beenai... My deen is my personal cannot be taken away By a Mullah.. Even it does It doesnot distrub any one else whether I make 2 Rakkat Salat or 10 Rakkat is non of others problem

But a Political Mullah makes a diffirence how we go about in society.. It intoxicate the minds ..

Look you like Talat it means you indorse his views but your only disliking is that he is pro PPP..

COOOOOOOOOOOOL your only liking in Midia is pro PPP...

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 10:15 #
Beenai
Moderator

@shamwariz,
a political mulla can not destroy thought pattern of your generations ...
see my Boss use to be a pro PPP ...he has devoted PPP support but his son and daughters are all non PPP.
as they are all done with PPP ...
but in religion case ...
if one believes that a particular TV Mulla is good ,alright and authentic ...his family members are also going to believe in the same televised mulla .

as long as my favorite anchor is concerned ...
u r mixing two threads .
no2..who said that Talat hussian is the only one i like .
i also likes Kashif Abbasi of Ary ..
due to his bold questioning .

Kashif father was a PPP member ...
but Kashif seems like hating PPP like anything.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jun 2009 10:29 #
Beenai
Moderator

they make u believe that
what is right is not right
and what they think right is right .

i know a so called religious scholor living in our area ,claiming that there are 24 Quls in Quran not only4.

and all of the area ppl use to dislike and completely ignore him but suddenly all the Tv stars start coming to have DARS with him ..2 number mulla became so popular that now he is coming on cable channels .
apparently he is planing to come up with his own channel .

if he deviate innocent people from the right path .
who will be responsible for that ?

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 7:46 #
Beenai
Moderator

by Zingaro
Zaid Hamid
@Gals n Guys .. I don't know if this man has previously been discussed or not .. if not .. then i am interested in knowing what you people know about him.. this man has suddenly appeared on media and have been successful in gathering a good number of fans around him.

Well before i say any thing more .. i wanna hear from you...

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 8:30 #
zingaro
Member

thanx beenai ji ... i am here now .. and this is good thread to discuss about these people ....

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 8:34 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Zingaro,
i was also curious about Zaid hamid ...
who is he and whats are his whereabouts?
but it seems like at this forum nobody knows .

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 8:36 #
ucsher
Member

@Beenai

Zaid Hamid is a guy from karachi, he claims to be a religious/ political scholar who has this hawkish attitude especially towards india and Israel/ west ( a perfect formula to be popular amongst the masses while being an apple of establishment's eye as well)

His style of arguing is very fiery and volatile, that's why he is not invited by the mainstream popular channels!

In short, he is our best bet to compete against Indian hawks in those good for nothing debates where cheap point scoring targeted towards the gallery matters much than those serious, decent, solid and well articulated arguments!

He to some extent is an extremist version Aamir Liaqat Hussain!

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 8:44 #
zingaro
Member

@Beenai .. well i have watched his programs, videos, and also have surfed about him to know his reality. Despite his geopolitical analytical views, his identity remains foggy. In an other site i read a very very long article about this particular issue which also contained his own replies. I have noticed that he has a standard text written which he sends to every query about his identity. That is the reason that i started from him that what the members here know about him....

lets see what others say ....

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 8:45 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Zingaro,
i agree that he is a strange character .
his appearance ,his thoughts,his extremist behavior ,his sudden popularity ,his style of talking ...
all makes him a sum total of a strange personality.

i hardly watch his show .
as his way of talking makes me feel that there is some one else who is feeding him to talk like that .
he ,himself is not talking but some one else is talking ..while keeping him in front.

just my personal feelings .
dono
what others think bout him?

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 8:51 #
Beenai
Moderator

@ucsher,
do u know
where were he ?before getting so popular?
what is his ideologies ?
which school of thought he belongs to?

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 8:52 #
ucsher
Member

@Beenai
http://teeth.com.pk/blog/2008/10/07/who-is-zaid-zaman-hamid

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 8:59 #
zingaro
Member

Beenai what i have read and was blamed on him that he was with Yousaf Kazzab .. rather his right hand .. people claimed to have his pics with Yousaf kazzab, etc.. but in his reply letter he said that he believes in Prophet Mohammad (SAW) to be the last and final messenger of Allah .. but he did not clarify his position about being with Yousaf Kazzab .. and he said to the inquirer to come to his office personally so that he can clarify his position .. the same letter was received by different other people without a change of comma, full stop. He asks every body to come to their office in Chaklala Scheme III, Rawalpindi.

He claims to be a past Mujahid who not only participated in Afghan war but also worked as a planner.. Amazing .. I had a chance to read material from different jiadhi organizations (for studying them) and i never ever read his name ... i don't know which party he belonged to ... and he is also silent on it...

He speaks bluntly against India, Israel and West .. and at the same time .. he also presents economic analysis ... :)

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 8:59 #
zingaro
Member

Another interesting thing which i noticed in his programs was that in every week he present his show with a new girl host with him... i don't know why ...

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 9:02 #
Beenai
Moderator

@ucsher,
thanks for sharing useful info about him.
i already doubted about his personality .
he has a mysterious personality rather impressive as it required to be a scholar ..
its an eye opener for me .

@Zingaro,
haha ha
u ve got good observation skills.
i have noticed only red cap .
u have noticed changing co hosts ...
great observation...

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 9:11 #
Beenai
Moderator

as bad as i am in recognizing the reality of ppl ...
in the first sight ,my heart was saying that he is not a right person to be followed and publicized like that .

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jun 2009 9:12 #