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President's immunity challanged

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  1. zingaro
    Member

    Today Engr. Jameel, of communist party, has challenged the immunity of President to not to present in any court of law, on the basis that such a clause is repugnant to the injunctions of Shariah.

    It has been laid down in Article 248 that a President or governor is not answerable to court. I would like to present the actual text of section 248:

    248.(1) The President, a Governor, the Prime Minister, a Federal
    Minister, a Minister of State, the Chief Minister and a
    Provincial Minister shall not be answerable to any court for
    the exercise of powers and performance of functions of their
    respective officers or for any act done or purported to be
    done in the exercise of those powers and performance of
    those functions:
    Protection to
    President,
    Governor,
    Minister, etc.
    Provided that nothing in this clause shall be construed as
    restricting the right of any person to bring appropriate
    proceedings against the Federation or a Province.
    (2) No criminal proceedings whatsoever shall be instituted or
    continued against the President or a Governor in any court
    during his term of office.
    (3) No process for the arrest or imprisonment of the
    President or a Governor shall issue from any court during his
    term of office.
    (4) No civil proceedings in which relief is claimed against the
    President or a Governor shall be instituted during his term of
    office in respect of any thing done or not done by him in his
    personal capacity whether before or after he enters upon his
    office unless, at least sixty days before the proceedings are
    instituted, notice in writing has been delivered to him, or sent
    to him in the manner prescribed by law, stating the nature of
    the proceedings, the cause of action, the name, description
    and place of residence of the party by whom the
    proceedings are to be instituted and the relief which the
    party claims.

    Now we also know that as per constitution there can not a law repugnant to injunctions of shariah, so if any law is found to be so, section 203 deals with that issue as follows:

    Section 203D-(1) The Court may, [either of its own motion or] on the
    petition of a citizen of Pakistan or the Federal Government or
    a Provincial Government, examine and decide the question
    whether or not any law or provision of law is repugnant to the
    Injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Holy Quran’ and the
    Sunnah of the Holy Prophet, (PBUH), hereinafter referred to
    as the Injunctions of Islam.

    [(1-A) Where the Court takes up the examination of any law
    or provision of law under clause (1) and such law or
    provision of law appears to it to be repugnant to the
    Inunctions of Islam, the Court shall cause to be given to the
    Federal Government in the case of a law with respect to a
    matter in the Federal Legislative List or the Concurrent
    Legislative List, or to the Provincial Government in the case
    of a law with respect to a matter not enumerated in the either
    of those Lists, a notice specifying the particular provisions
    that appear to it to be so repugnant, and afford to such
    Government adequate opportunity to have it point of view
    placed before the Court.]

    (2) If the Court decides that any law or provision of Law
    is repugnant to the Injunctions of Islam, it shall set out in its
    decision.-

    (a) the reasons for its holding that opinion; and

    (b) the extent to which such law or provision is so
    repugnant; and specify the day on which the decision
    shall take effect:
    [Provided that no such decision shall be deemed to take
    effect before the expiration of the period within which an
    appeal therefrom may be preferred to the Supreme Court or,
    where an appeal has been so preferred, before the disposal
    of such appeal].

    (3) If any law or provision of law is held by the Court to
    be repugnant to the Inunctions of Islam,-

    (a) the President in the case of a law with respect to a
    matter in the Federal Legislative List or the Concurrent
    Legislative List, or the Governor in the case of a law with
    respect to a matter not enumerated in either of those Lists,
    shall take steps to amend the law so as to bring such law or
    provision into conformity with the Injunctions of Islam; and

    (b) such law or provision shall, to the extent to which it is held to be so repugnant, cease to have effect on the day on which the decision of the Court takes effect.

    I think NRO case may show some unpredictable results ... lets see

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Dec 2009 9:03 #
  2. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Please provide reference to this news.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Dec 2009 10:37 #
  3. msohail83
    Member

    Is his name added to ECL list yet? lolz

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Dec 2009 10:45 #
  4. Anonymous

    Every body, including President, must be accountable. Good move by Engr Jameel, if it is really done.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Dec 2009 12:11 #
  5. The same approach being taken which was used in 1997 to NS , then all powerful PM , on collision with president.

    This articile/immunity has been there since 1973 and nobody thought of challenging it but now it has become problem #1.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Dec 2009 12:29 #
  6. Bilal Tarar
    Members

    the question is: does the supreme court have the authority to amend the constitution?
    And even if it does, will cjp be willing to violate the separation of powers

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Dec 2009 12:44 #
  7. 1. Article 248 of the Constitution can be amended or changed, only through 3/4 majority of the Legislature.

    2. Supreme Court is bound to defend and protect the spirit of the Constitution.

    3. Such privilege has always been part of the Constitution since 1947, guided by the Government of India Act (1935).

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Dec 2009 12:44 #
  8. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Great!

    We have a wrong law in the constitution. No Pakistani is worried about killing that law.

    Some people are busy in laying down blames (that he wants to ammend the constitution) on CJ for doing his job.

    People are busy in squabbling about non-issues while talking about it.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Dec 2009 13:01 #
  9. zingaro
    Member

    Artcile 203D (3)(b): such law or provision shall, to the extent to which it is held to be so repugnant, cease to have effect on the day on which the decision of the Court takes effect.

    This article is also from the constitution of Pakistan and not of India. It clearly says that a court may review a law if pointed out to be against injunctions of Shariah, and if the court decides against it, such law shall cease to have effect. It does not say that supreme court shall refer the matter to assembly to amend it by 3/4 majority. Now the question is that whether Article 203D is able to supersede Article 248. The answer is yes because our constitution itself declares that all the laws will have to be made as per Shariah, so in the light of Article 203D, there is no space for Article 248 to immune a President or governor.

    I have been a student of law as well, and in my humble opinion, SC can easily null the effect of Article 248.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Dec 2009 13:28 #
  10. zingaro
    Member

    The sections relevant to the challenge of immunity are

    Section 2A which says:

    2A. The principles and provisions set out in the Objectives
    Resolution reproduced in the Annex are hereby made
    substantive part of the Constitution and shall have effect
    accordingly.

    Then Section 25 further sheds light as:

    25. (1) All citizens are equal before law and are entitled to equal protection of law.

    63. (1) A person shall be disqualified from being elected or
    chosen as, and from being, a member of the Majlis-e-Shoora
    (Parliament), if—
    (a) he is of unsound mind and has been so declared
    by a competent court; or

    (d) he holds an office of profit in the service of
    Pakistan other than an office declared by law not to
    disqualify its holder; or

    Now Supreme court has also touched Article 62 in her verdict on NRO. So ..................I pray for Justice..impartial and merciless....

    Posted 2 years ago on 17 Dec 2009 9:21 #
  11. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I too pray for impartial, across the board RAZOR SHARP ACCOUNTABILITY

    Posted 2 years ago on 17 Dec 2009 9:38 #
  12. usayd
    Member

    Actually all the aricles of the constituion are equally aplicable.
    So Aricle 248 or for that matter any other aritcle like the one which says that no law can enacted which is repugnant to the teachings of quran and Sunnah... are equal. And no aricle can null and void anyother article. Power of doing that only lies with the parliament in a democratic system.
    The job of supreme court is to interpret and implement all articles...

    The funny thing about this news is that: Engr. Jameel of Communist party is pleading on the basis of Shariah. Hahaha. Communism and Sharia? like Fire and water?
    Hahaha

    Posted 2 years ago on 17 Dec 2009 9:45 #
  13. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I agree, it is! a conflict in the constitution, which should be addressed. MORE! of these conflicts should be highlighted and dealt with ASAP!

    Posted 2 years ago on 17 Dec 2009 9:53 #
  14. shriq
    Member

    President's immunity challenged!!

    It should be! No body should be above law.

    What makes him immune?

    What he has done (prior to) becoming president that gives him this privilege?

    Was this part of the article in original constitution of 1973 signed by all the sane politicians and molvis at that time?

    Posted 2 years ago on 17 Dec 2009 15:08 #
  15. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Article 248 is present in the constitution. Untill it is present, the way to beating the protection it provides is to challenge Zardari sb.'s eligibility in the court of law.

    Someone should petition for review of Article 248. Which might force SC to send this article to parliament for ratification as well. It is a CRYSTAL CLEAR violation of basic human rights as prescribed within Islam's bounds.

    It should also be struck down.

    Posted 2 years ago on 17 Dec 2009 17:45 #
  16. zingaro
    Member

    In fact our constitution was basically a copy paste type thing from British law. They modified many sections and somewhere used only "replace" command to enter the word Pakistan in it. But good thing is that they added Section 2A which says that "Objectives Resolution" is the base. Now this objectives resolution says that our laws will be as per Shariah. So even if SC decided against 248, it will not be against the basics of constitution, as the present constitution itself supports section 2A more than section 248.

    Posted 2 years ago on 19 Dec 2009 14:41 #

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