I have not been active on pkpolitics for a month now... sum freinds over here asked for some clarifications regarding pti i am here to provide them..
I will start with ZUBAIR KHAN he has left the party and that is true however what is also true is that he was removed from the post of president pti sindh in january 2009 while even his basic membership of the party was suspended for six months a week later. He was replaced by IMRAN ISMAIL some brothers over here will think that the pti is making this up to cover up the fact that an provincal president has left the party so here is proof in front of u.. this is a video of the protest rally taken out by pti on 3rd may 2009 when khan sahab was not allowed to cum to karachi
http://www.insaf.pk/Media/Videos/tabid/62/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2225/PTI-Karachi-Protests-on-Barring-Imran-Khan-May-03-2009.aspx
watch the video on top the repoter refers to imaran ismail as president pti sindh and this vdeo is of 3-05-2009
secondly many people belive that Pti has a soft corner for terrorism and wats NIFAZ Of shairait.. THE FOLLOWING IS PART of the speech of imaran khan give at the 14th youm-e-tasses of the party listen carefully to what he says from 0:45 to 1:00 u will get u calrification
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PTI CLARIFICATION REGARDING SUPPORT FOR TERRORISM AND ZUBAIR KHAN
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i repeat lsiten carefully from 0:45 to 1:00Posted 1 year ago on 08 Jun 2010 18:27 #
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guys plz comment... u guys always comment abt how imran wants to becum khalifa through nifaz of shariat... i also noticed 102 comments on the post related to zubair khan leaving and all the mqm guys commenting abt a provincal president leaving becuz of imran khans so-called DICTORIAL POLICIES..
Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 11:52 # -
LiberalKarachi
Member@gunnerz30,
But it should still be troubling that one of their most senior leader of the second-largest province of Pakistan has decided to leave them too? This reminds me of how Naseem zehra (anchor of policy matters) and owais ghani (governor of NWFP) also left pti.
Secondly, terrorism is an issue which Imran khan used to speak about on a daily basis on most of the tv channels. His stance is very clear. Please respect our inteliigence that we can derive conclusion from his 1000s of statements - and the opinion of most pakistanis (exception between PTI's die-hard fans) is unanimous. And I think imran khan is eloquent enough to express his mind precisely. Imran khan's 1000s of speeches on this issue are in urdu and not some gibberish language that we need for you to interpret.
Thirdly, speaking of terrorism, can you please tell me how JI's and PTI's policies on war on terrorism DIFFER? Can you tell me on what aspect of war on terrorism they have disagreements on? The resemblance between PTI and JI on this issue seems remarkably uncanny
Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 11:58 # -
YES A SENIOR leader left but bro wat i was trying to say is dat he was not provinal president..and forgive me but its not troubling as he was suspended ages before he left the party.. Secondly the difference is dat we dont patronise Taliban and we admitt that terrorism exists.. JI DISAGREES WID THE BASIC PRICIPLE OF WAR ON TERROR as u wud hav guessed if u heard the speech WE DONT DISAGREE WID THE WAR WE JUST DISAGREE ON THE DYNAMICS... AND AS I HAV SAID a 1000 times today CIA AGENTS,BRITISH AND AMERICAN THINK-TANKS AND NOW THE AFGHAN NATIONAL JIRGA HAVE ALL NOW ENDORSED WAT WE SAID YEARS AGO..
i wud request allmy borthers who disagree wid me to do so respectfully and will try my best to do the same ...
lets not waste tiemabusing and point-scoring on each otherPosted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 12:20 # -
aftab arif
Member@ LiberalKarachi
You are a hypocrite in the true sense of the word, you support a terrorist organisation namely MQM and you talk about PTI supporting terrorism which they have not done in anyway.
Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 12:23 # -
LiberalKarachi
Member@gunnerz30,
yes i understand, my point was simply that he is a relatively important leader of PTI. He is not simply a minion work who can be expected to leave and enter.
Secondly, i still maintain that the policy of PTI and Ji are similar. 1) That is, USA should leave the region immediately. 2) We should negotiate with the terrorist (those elements which are apparently "negotiable"). 3) We should not carry out operations in terrorist-riddled areas. 4) What we should do when terrorists from Afg infiltrate to Waziristan 5) A sense of denial about the reality shared by PTI and JI, Imran Khan was suggesting that Talibans blowing up girls school in swat was government propaganda. Secondly, people like shireen mazari placing the whole thing on cia/blackwater/raw instead of acknowledging that the problem is within ourself. 6) Lack of overt disdain of talibans, for instance, when IK was suggesting that its Pakhtun culture what was going on in Swat and not barbarism. Another example is that IK nor JI has held out or contributed to a movement for raising voice against the talibans. 'Go amreeka go' are of course carrying on as usual
I am not arguing the merits of those points, but simply enlisting the things which are common between PTI and JI on WoT. There also seem to be more inclination of PTI towards JI and JUI.
@aftab,
keep it up, if there was an award for basless rhetoric, you might just win it
Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 12:47 # -
@liberal
i am against rhetoric as well and the PTI has an independent policy if it matches other parties in some aspects it can be expexted for e.g.. i wud say that as far as policy goes there is a lot of similarity between MQM AND PTI AS WELL... yes some ascpects of pti policy are similar to JI.. but the basic difference is we belive in democracy and they dont.. we agree that there has to be some sort of operation they disagree..and they want nifaz of shirait while pti has clearly said that we shallonly provide for it as much possible within the law of pakistan...Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 13:28 # -
You know what effects came when senior person from a party left a party???Senior party member is actually the most trusted member as well and What ever might be the cause of his breaking from the party is purely matters of PTI and me or anyone else has nothing to do with all that so I would say that what ever the reason was its all rest on his own...He have joined Musharraf and that is what we are thinking here that on what basis he a senior member of PTI joined Musharraf's party whom Imran Khan is totally against???Thats the biggest unanswered question that revolve around the minds of people here and that is why you saw 102 posts....I hope you might have understand things...but anyways its all PTI's headache to sort out so let them sort out themselves instead of giving opinion about all that...Another point is that Imran Khan's position on terrorism I dont think a person needs enough brain storming to think Imran Khan's positions on terrorism as its quite clear from his Anti USA politics and also its also quite clear from promoting BLACKWATER type conspiracy theories as I dont know what it is but its more like a SCAPEGOAT to divert people's opinion away from Taliban as so far their are no difference people yet to find between BLACKWATER and TALIBAN strategies of attack as almost all the terrorist activities which have happened so far have so much similarities with each other that differentiating Blackwater and Taliban is impossible and PTI is promoting such stuff so how much prove is required from PTI to prove their are Taliban sympathizers???JI partnership is another thing which prove their =intention in this terrorism issue if PTI was neutral in all of this then they would have been supporting PMLN instead of JI who still support Taliban as PMLN seems much neutral in all this...So their are enough things their which could prove their position in their Policies on terrorism...
Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 17:24 # -
@liberal
i am here to interpret watever u want me 2..
@gazi
we are not supporting any1 we are an independent party we just stood by the other parties during the lawyers movement and have never otherwise made any alliance. Zubair khan was suspended from the party in juanuary2009 and thus was no longer a senior member. i wud advise u to hear the speech i hav pasted wid the topic u may find some answers there if not i am here to answer watever questions u may havePosted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 20:18 # -
@gunnerz30
Look mate I have no concern with this Zubair Khan and PTI affairs but Suspension of him could be temporary as well so its all PTI stuff who knows what was the reason for his suspension but he served Imran Khan 14 years and this is more then enough for a mentor or teacher based relationship between both individual and after getting suspended I dont think that he would have forget the whole thing which he learned being a part of PTI so after this 14 years a person went to former enemy then what this action actually reflect???Can you guess???So that is what more questionable stuff for people that a member who left the party after serving it for a very long period and joined someone whom 180 degrees different from what he was part of since last 14 years....So this reflects a very strong feeling of disappointment which is evident from his actions and that is not good for PTI at all....
Hearing speeches cant make any difference because actions speak Lauder then words and when PTI are found along with some Jamatis in the street thats speak itself when Imran Khan meeting JI leaders(before elections he meet them quite often) that also gives another picture...So PTI's actions are also speaking out laud...Ever thought what benefit did Shireen Blackwater ki beemari has provided to PTI so far after writing Blackwater all the time???Ever imagined what benefit PTI got by having good relations with jamatis even after getting very great reception from Jamiat in PU???
Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jun 2010 21:19 # -
LiberalKarachi
Member@gunnerz30,
yes, i understand that PTI and MQM (or any other political party) might have similarities. My point simply was that on the 5 points i posted related to war on terrorism, i feel that PTI and JI have very similar policies
Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jun 2010 20:14 #
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