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PTI Selection Committee is based on ex-ISI & IB Officials

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  1. .... there is a secret committee functioning to probe the background of such leaders after its clearance such people are being accepted.

    When it was revealed that this secret committee comprises a former ISI official, a retired major general and some IB people, it simply infuriated the PTI’s senior leaders.

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    Senior and old Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leaders are feeling insecure and becoming desperate over the continued inclusion of what they term as ‘establishment men’ in the party fold and that too on top positions.

    The latest upcoming inclusion of a key establishment-icon who is also supposed to hold an extremely important position in the party soon after joining the party is raising many red flags.

    These PTI leaders who had been working hard to strengthen the party among the masses for years and were cheerful after the successful Lahore rally, now see that party top leadership blindly following the establishment line and accepting the tested and failed politicians publicly known as the ‘men of establishment’.

    These leaders are of the view that party’s core committee has decided in principle that all the politicians will be accepted in the party fold after complete scrutiny through a scrutiny committee.

    PTI leaders say that recent meeting of the PTI’s core committee was quite noisy on these issues, but there is a feeling that suggestions or remarks of the old leaders are being ignored and as the only objective now is to gain power with the establishment support.

    It has been revealed that when many leaders raised the question that how so many Q-Leaguers and Musharraf men like Chaudhry Jaffar Iqbal are being inducted without any scrutiny against the party’s core committee’s decisions, the PTI’s Punjab president rose to his seat to reply that there is a secret committee functioning to probe the background of such leaders after its clearance such people are being accepted.

    When it was revealed that this secret committee comprises a former ISI official, a retired major general and some IB people, it simply infuriated the PTI’s senior leaders.

    Some have also shown concern that it was decided in party’s core committee that no PTI candidate will participate in any by-elections now but giving party’s ticket to son of Shah Mahmood Qureshi was again a violation of party decision which is being violated without even taking approval of the core committee.

    Among those who have joined or are joining the PTI and who have been close to the establishment can be included General (r) Anis Bajwa, who was number 2 in the ISI under General Ehsan. General (r) Shahid Aziz, former army general was a diehard Musharraf loyalist. General (r) Javed Hassan was also considered close to the establishment and was and has a ‘Kargil fame’.

    Masood Sharif is ex-IB chief and is considered close to the establishment. Former Inspector General Police Iftikhar Rashid is also known for these links. Brig Ejaz Minhas has recently retired from the ISI, and he is secretary election cell of PTI, Punjab.

    A Lahore based bureaucrat-turned-analyst is known for always being close to the establishment line. First he was with PPP then joined Leghari in his interim cabinet and finally joined the establishment and become a provincial minister.

    Another important lady who may be joining the PTI in the next few days and for whom Imran Khan is anxious is also known for her decades long relationship with the establishment.

    Zafar Iqbal Warriach whose joining the PTI has created ripples in the party circles was minister of state during Musharraf regime and was in charge of Islamabad administration during the Lal Masjid operation.

    Names of the establishment’s Q-Leaguers who joined the PTI in last few months have already been published in national press show that more than 90 percent of the new entrants in Lahore, Chakwal and all other major cities of Punjab are known Musharraf’s men, having close and continuous connections with the establishment.

    A senior PTI leader said that one Orangzeb Hoti, who was once convicted in US, is also being included in the party and is promised that he will be given party ticket. This has also angered the party leaders. The PTI leaders say that they are observing that almost more than half of the PTI top leadership now comprises either retired military, ISI officials or those politicians known as men of the establishment.

    The leaders say that in next few days, a top party leader, on wink of concerned circles of the establishment, is all set to hand over most of the party issues to two persons; one, a non-politician, recently included from Lahore while the other a lady who will announce her participation publicly in few days.

    These senior PTI leaders say that unfortunately these major changes in party structure are being made without discussing them in the party’s top decision-making forum.

    These senior PTI leaders have also expressed reservations about Imran Khan’s one-day UAE visit last week where he met with an important member of the UAE government.

    They say this meeting was arranged by Shah Mahmood Qureshi on the day when an important UAE government official visited Pakistan to convince the Pakistan government not to get Shamsi Airbase vacated. The same meeting was kept secret from the media.

    The PTI leaders say that relations of top PPP leadership with US and UAE governments and Nawaz Sharif with Saudi government are considered as basic reason of maintenance of status quo in the country’s politics. They say that at least Imran should have avoided flying to Dubai to meet a UAE ruler on desire of the later.

    “Imran should understand that power will be given by the people of Pakistan and not by the rulers of other countries. Imran should keep a distance from the Qureshi’s contacts with foreign powers as in that case the PTI will immediately turn into a status quo party,” a senior PTI leader told The News.

    On the other hand, another incident in a recent meeting shocked senior PTI leaders. According to a leader Imran, during this meeting, praised Fawad Chaudhry as one of the few members of the Musharraf’s All Pakistan Muslim League and asked the participants whether he should be included in the PTI. Though Imran was snubbed by many top PTI leaders on this, but these leaders are still shocked over the bent of Imran’s mind.

    When PTI spokesman and leader Umar Cheema was asked to comment on the main points of this report, he told The News that after the October 30 successful Lahore rally, thousands of people are trying to or are joining the PTI. Many people are raising objections to some of these new entrants, and the PTI leadership has made it clear time and again that none of these new entrants have been promised the party ticket for the next general elections.

    Cheema said that election tickets will only be awarded after a complete scrutiny. He said the impression is not true that the PTI is losing popularity after inclusion of these new entrants.

    Regarding the question of announcement of joining of another establishment-icon in the next few days, who will get a top party office, Cheema said that the PTI is welcoming all new entrants, and no one is being promised any ticket but some top professionals are being given important assignments to take full advantage of their competence.

    Regarding Imran’s meeting with UAE rulers with support of Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Cheema said that he did not know why a press release of this meeting was not issued. “I have heard of it, but I did not know about the meeting agenda,” Cheema said.

    He said that one Rauf Hassan, who handles the PTI media in Islamabad, should be consulted on this question.

    Regarding Imran’s desire to include Fawad Chaudhry of Musharraf’s party, Cheema said in the recent core committee meeting, many names were considered for their inclusion into the party fold, but name of Fawad Chaudhry was not discussed.

    Raoof Hasan, PTI central vice-president, while talking to The News said that Imran Khan frequently visits other countries, mostly for fund raising, and his last week UAE visit was also meant for the same purpose. “Had Imran any official meeting there, the party would have issued an appropriate press release in that regard,’ he concluded.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=10987&Cat=13&dt=12/14/2011

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 8:09 #
  2. scandinavian
    Member

    Take it rasheed. Don't get "worried" on behalf of PTI. Scrutiny will be done in due time and before candidates are chosen. Relax and watch how Noon-League will suffer even more in the coming days....lol.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 8:40 #
  3. insaftak
    Member

    Not a single quote from pti leaders.

    LOl @ these pti leaders. would love to hear their names.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 8:40 #
  4. @Scandinavian,

    Don't worry, we already saw Scrutiny at time of Pindi and Lahore elections through Jazi and Khokhar.

    No one is expecting anything different now, specially we now know who is the scrutiny team :-)

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 8:43 #
  5. scandinavian
    Member

    You know nothing before it is over for you. You have a task to malign PTI in every possible way. Remember there is difference between a few dirty cases and dirty cases according to a norm or unwritten rule in a party. I have always said that EVERY party will have their rotten eggs. The difference will be what a certain parties does i.e. which actions are taken. Will the party "protect" a crook/defaulter/cheater or will they throw that particular person out?

    You cannot expect accountability on membership level in ANY party. What we all should expect and work for is:

    1. The top leadership is clean. Should be checked THOROUGHLY because it is VITAL for a party to stay clean!

    2. All official representatives should also be scrutinized before any representation of the party is accepted.

    Points 1 and 2 are NO guarantee that a few crooks can find a way through, BUT the mechanisms will ensure that the numbers of crooks will drop drastically.

    Scrutiny on membership level is just not possible for any party - especially not big parties! Since the rules should be the same for every party then this should not be accepted as a norm for any party - big or small.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 8:52 #
  6. siddiqi73
    Member

    @Rasheed,

    Tell us something new my friend.....this is already out in the market and even a Burger Kid would know that establishment and agencies current and ex-spooks are manoveuring behind the scenes to sweep us away in this Tsunami.

    What's next, Hamid Khan being replaced by Gen. Hamid Gul as the head of Putli Tamasha Incorporated's Integrity Committee?

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 8:52 #
  7. scandinavian
    Member

    @Insaftak

    I don't think it is difficult to find such PTI leaders. When a party grows then there will be more competition among the members to achieve some posts. Some will try via violence. Very sad and MUST be condemned. Sadly it has also happened for PTI as well as other parties. Competition on merit etc. is ONLY healthy and should be promoted in EVERY party so we can get out of NEPOTISM and FAMILY OWNED parties.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 8:55 #
  8. scandinavian
    Member

    @S73

    It is people like you who ruin most threads!

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 8:56 #
  9. siddiqi73
    Member

    @Scandinavian,

    Yeah sure, and you are engaged in such a literary conversation that would Mark Twain to shame....give it a rest mate!

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 8:58 #
  10. scandinavian
    Member

    @S73

    No, my friend. You give it a rest and let's debate from now on!

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 9:02 #
  11. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Good and honest leaders are the need of the time for all the Pakistanis. We all are tired of old time politicians. Big change is now the basic need for our survival as a nation.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 9:06 #
  12. d0ct0r
    Member

    "الله تعالیٰ نے پاکستان کو بچانے کے لئے سو موٹو لے لیا ہے "

    Can't these PTI knucleheads keep Allah and prophet out of their dirty lota politics.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 9:31 #
  13. siddiqi73
    Member

    @Doctor,

    Just wait for the day when mureedan-e-Deen-e-Imrani would also claim that they have seen his holiness's image on a money plant leaf ;)

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 9:38 #
  14. scandinavian
    Member

    @Doc & S73

    It's exactly this kind of junk messages that destroy debates. Keep it up. It will help to boost the "good" image of PKP as an "impartial" debate site. My claim has substance. This is a NOON BIASED site!

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 9:50 #
  15. siddiqi73
    Member

    @scandinavian,

    And we feel exactly the same for insaf.com when most of the anti-PTI messages are first shelved on the basis of awaiting moderation and or are never actually posted.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 9:52 #
  16. scandinavian
    Member

    Your comparison is flawed, but maybe it's indirect admission that PKP is Noon site. Why don't you make a brave statement and admit it openly?

    As far as I know the site is insaf.pk. It's party site just like http://www.pmln.org/home/. How much debate do you find on the Noon site?

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 9:57 #
  17. siddiqi73
    Member

    ^^ Bro, my guess is as good as yours if PKP is a biased site or not. I certainly they that they are not otherwise you wouldn't be still around.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 10:01 #
  18. Adonis
    Member

    Guys, don't say anything bad about insaf.pk. Its moderators are regular contributors here at this forum and get easily annoyed if one is not full of praise about their sheep-herd website.

    Besides, these are the people who organize all the Ilzamis to take turns commenting on pkpolitics. They seem to be under the impression that they are increasing the "popularity" of Deen-i-Imrani by consistently posting non-sensical gibberish and therefore take this "assignment" very seriously organizing themselves to comment in daily 'shifts'.

    The 'secret' page at which these Ilzamis "co-ordinate" is so hilarious. Seems like they think they are on some grand espionage mission. LOL....

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 10:26 #
  19. scandinavian
    Member

    ^^

    Usual BS. Tell me about the moderators on PML-N site. Do your bosses allow any kind of debate on Noon the site?

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 10:30 #
  20. pacemaker
    Member

    if the selection team is from ISI & IB then we can say the scrutiny process will be credible!

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 10:36 #
  21. anasyounus
    Member

    Another "Planted" story with no names and references, every other day you see such a story from the selected 2-3 guys and they always try to make it look like a news whereas it is at best their analysis.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 10:51 #
  22. aftab arif
    Member

    Come what may, my family and friends will vote PTI, so you can put up as many stories as you want, we have made our mind up!!!

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 10:53 #
  23. scandinavian
    Member

    @Aftab

    Ditto

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 10:59 #
  24. siddiqi73
    Member

    @aftab,

    Rest assured that we are not trying to sway your vote from Pakistan Tehreek Ilzam.

    @Adonis,

    Where is that "secret" page?

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 11:10 #
  25. anasyounus
    Member

    ok so its "Tehreek-e-Ilzam" now.. Why dont you guys come clean once and for all.. why not answer the allegations with proofs.. after all PML-N is a political party and is answerable to people and what more NS wanted to become "Ameerul-Momeneen" and the best examples we have of people in this position always made thirselves available and answerable to all the allegations..
    Why always come up with superfecial counter allegations???

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 11:37 #
  26. anasyounus
    Member

    All the counter allegations raised by PML-N on IK's assets and in the backdrop of alleged Imran-Pasha-Munter meeting.. PTI answered them all with documentory proofs and the best your party came up with was that Sharif family owned industries and companies paid 6 billion Ruppes tax delibrately not mentioning that all of it was sales tax which came from consumer pocket and was only submitted through these industries/companies... this in itself shows the dishonesty on their part

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 11:44 #
  27. anasyounus
    Member

    No one is perfect or ideal... niether PTI nor IK.. but its beyond me that how people dont see PTI as the best available option compared to PML(A-Z), PPP(PP),ANP,MQM.
    NS hard stance on agencies and army involvement in politics or manipualating policies, decisions is more close to my oepnion but how can I trust a person who in 4 chances has done nothing except for further ruining the country, and now what more he has already started to soften his stance just for the greed of power...
    IK has always said he wants civilian government superiority over agencies and army but he just doesnt iterate it again and again which makes people think that he is soft on this.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 12:01 #
  28. anasyounus
    Member

    and just for his stance about establishment why should someone ignore the facts that he is corrupt to the core and always put his interest ahead of the county's interest... see how he destroyed government owned companies like PIA and steel mills in his time just for the benefit of his personal companies... there is a clear clash of interest in his case..

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 12:05 #
  29. anasyounus
    Member

    and by the way if he so hard on establishment.. why didnt he went to court in the last 12 years with a pettition to form a commision on Kargil Issue like he went for memogate?
    why didnt he orfdered the inquiry before he was removed from power...
    why he has taken all the Q-league establishment lotas (as he calls them when some of them join PTI) of Punjab assembly and senate in his party?
    usooli siyaysat .. why not he excluded Anjum Aqeel from party?

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 12:11 #
  30. siddiqi73
    Member

    @Anas bhai,

    You clearly are seething at NS and his brand of politics...no matter. Lets dissect your contentions in the following order:

    * I firmly believe that yes an inquiry into Kargil affair should have been initiated against Musharraf Sharab-Abadi sometime between July and October 1999. But you've got to understand that Pakistan Army due to the callous and reckless conduct of a few generals was already under tremendous strain due to Indian and International media's onslaught and an inquiry by a commission investigating the affairs of its own army would have complicated matters further. Our army and its generals would forever live in the shadow of shame for disavowing thousands of our soldiers who ultimately died on the hills of Drass Sector and Tiger Hills.

    Besides, if NS now makes a demand to form a commission on Kargil issue or on his unconstitutional removal in 1999; he would be ridiculed just like ZPP and Zardari for taking up the Z.A. Bhutto executive review petition which has been moved solely for political gain and to malign the judiciary. I don't see any point to defame the army further on Kargil issue when its own image and credibility has been shot to $hit by the likes of Musharraf, Kiyani and Pasha.

    * As for taking in lotas, again it is not an ethical practise but NS is a politician first and foremost and he would do whatever it takes to stay afloat through whatever means necessary in the face of a lot of opponents.

    * As for usooli siyasat, it is your leader who presents and claims himself to be the cleanest of them all and the likes of SMQ, Warraichs, Jazis, Khokhars, Timmans and Bhinders have dented this cleanliness personified image of your leader.

    * Anjum Aqeel....why is he the only one bothering you? Have your forgotten that PML (N) forced Haji Pervaiz from NA-55 to give his NA membership on account of fake degree, Shumaila Rana for credit card fraud and Faiz Timman again for a fake degree (BTW this is the same guy who has recently been inducted in PTI).

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 13:15 #
  31. anasyounus
    Member

    @Siddiqi
    you admit that what ever flaws IK have, NS posseses those in extremes.. and than there are good points of IK which NS dont have.. with all this what makes you prefer NS over IK?

    Usooli siyasat is the pet word of NS, why has he taken all those Q-MPAs and senators in the party? if SMQ is bad enough to dent someones claim on 'usooli siyasat' or cleanliness than why NS invited SMQ to join PML-N in the first place..

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 17:59 #
  32. anasyounus
    Member

    you have reservations on Faiz tamman joining PTI even though he bears no party office or is not a party candidate.. and you praise NS for taking resignations from fake degree holders.. if you remember PML-N gave ticket to Naghma Mushtaq who was elected in 2008 on Q-ticket and got disqualified because of fake degree.. but was thn given ticket to contest as PML-N candidate from PP-206 Multan??Why?? and where is "usooli Siyasat"??
    again PML-N leaving behind PTI in the wrong race.. retaining PTI still the best option for people..

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 18:35 #
  33. siddiqi73
    Member

    @Anas,

    PML (N) has already admitted that giving ticket to Naghma Mushtaq was a mistake. Let the people decide as to what is the best possible option to retain....shall we?

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 18:40 #
  34. anasyounus
    Member

    yea people will decide ultimatley..till thn lets agree to respectfully disagree :)
    but i seriously wanted to know what makes you prefer NS over IK? just want to understand your point of view if you dont mind sharing

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 19:23 #
  35. aftab arif
    Member

    @ Sid

    I thought your party was not bothered about who they induct, or at least that's what Khawaja Asif was saying on Islamabad Tonight, where he said all Lota are welcome.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 19:34 #
  36. You just posted part of the article - the whole thing is well worth a read.

    I guess for PTI supporters, when The News used to criticise PPP and PML-N based on unnamed sources, all was well, but now they're being criticised and they want the names of these sources, otherwise they don't find the reporting credible. Nice joke.

    It'd a depressing read for anyone who wanted a positive change.

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 19:50 #
  37. jabalultariq
    Member

    Most of Army generals are highly qualified, intelligent and honest , a few who have made money are well known.....I feel confident they will do a good job , atleast better than these useless MNA and leaders. IK cannot be pushed around like he didnt allow BCCP chair Gen KM Azhar when he was young team capt in 1980's !!!!!!

    Posted 5 months ago on 14 Dec 2011 20:43 #

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