PTI 's Blackmailing Politics exposed : Imran Khan wicket keeper of Musharraf

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PTI 's Blackmailing Politics exposed : Imran Khan wicket keeper of Musharraf

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786Pakistan
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PTI's one of the founder and very senior core committee member Mr. Hamid Khan made a slip of tongue but that this slip of tongue exposed a bitter reality and PTI's policy towards those people who do not join PTI.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 16:19 #
siddiqi73
Member

Lol.....I would love to hear the Ilzami Brigade squeal again in anguish as Sana Bucha nay phir Deen-e-Imrani ko thook laga di...

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 17:18 #
siddiqi73
Member

Balatkar of Tsunami:

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 17:28 #
siddiqi73
Member

Balatkar Part II, this time by Marvi Memon:

If this shameless creature named **** Khan had an iota of shame, he'd dunk in a Lota. Sana Bucha surely has got the number on Pakistan Lota Tehreek...Let the squealing continue.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 17:36 #
anasyounus
Member

Marvi has every reason to be upset about Hamid Khan's statement.. she is furious and she has every right to do so..
but obviously its hard to stay balanced when you are angry or emotional... She claimed she didnt accpeted PTI offer because as per her "Tarah Tarah k log PTI main aagaye".. to BB you were sitting in the party with these "Tarah Tarah" k log for 6-7 years and she didnt left that party.. and whn you left on 22nd june 2011 it wasnt about these "Tarah Tarah k log", it was against joining Government Coalition..
So obiviously the joining of these "Tarah Tarah k log" in PTI was never the reason she didnt joined PTI.. What was.. I dont know.. but would like to hear from her..

Anyways, She was and is a Good and a 'clean' politician (I have never heard of any corruption charges on her)..
and a very 'smart' one as well who knows the art of negotiations and of using her cards on the right time..

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 17:39 #
siddiqi73
Member

Anas Bhai.....that is part of your dissection of Marvi's statement. She also said that she thought that Internet Tehreek was an agent of change but once she realized that Lota Khan was inducting those "Tarah Kay Log," only then she refrained from joining this wannabe party.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 17:42 #
anasyounus
Member

Shazia Murree part is total non sense.. and clearly shows Sana's bias.. Hamid yesterday told her (offline since HK's comments were right at the closing of the program) that it was a slip of tongue and he would clarify it on her show tomorrow that she meant Marvi not shazia.. but instead of starting it with the clarification herself she started it with Shazia and thn clarifying this after 5 minutes..

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 17:45 #
siddiqi73
Member

Anas Bhai, I feel your pain but then again this is a pile of horse $hit. Talking about bias, PML (N) has to live with the bias of people like Mubashir Lickman, Rauf Kalsra and Chacha Haroon Kuppi on a daily basis; I suggest that you folks tighten up your firewalls as well.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 17:48 #
anasyounus
Member

@siddiqi
yes this is exactly what I was talking about.. how could this be the reason of not joining PTI, she was with those people for 7 years till late june 2011, and when she resigned it was for a completely different Issue..

So obviously this cant be the reason.. because anyone who knows what "Constituency Politics" is cannot be fool enough to decide based on this..

I am not saying that it was PTI who rejected her or backtracked (fully or part of it) on thier offer to her, it could very easily be that she refused PTI.. but you are knowledgeable enough about Pakistani politics that it cannot be this reason..

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 17:51 #
anasyounus
Member

No Worries mate,, we are very much prepared ;)

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 17:55 #
anasyounus
Member

And how can she demand not to take others from PML-Q "Tarah Tarah k log".. she herself was coming from the same party :)

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 17:57 #
sipahi
Member

In my opinion, Marvi M. seems to be a "principled person", so when she saw that IK was sacrificing his principles to play the game of "Constituency Politics" and adding people of questionable background to PTI, she decided not to join PTI.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 18:00 #
siddiqi73
Member

@Anas Bhai,

Not only did Marvi leave PML (Q) but also declined to join PML (Q) 2. She sounds a bit more Principled to me than a person named Imran Khan.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 18:08 #
anasyounus
Member

@Sipahi..
So how would you explain her being sitting with these 'Tarah Tarah k log' for 7 years? and what would you call it that she wanted a chance to be part of "Change" but wasnt giving the same chance to people who were her colleagues and partners for 7 years and were good enough for her not to resign from the party because of those 'Tarah Tarah k log'?
if she thought that a 'cleaner' politician like her should join PTI, why she thought other similar 'cleaner' politicians joining PTI would make PTI 'unfit' for her?

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 18:12 #
salaudin
Member

What is/was her objection ?
Wasn't she in the Ghotki jalsa ?
She herself was a member of Musharraf's party, how could she "blame" other for that ? IK apologized for supporting Mush AND fought against him more than those who "claim" to be against Mush .... not to mention they also signed a deal with him ;) !!!

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 18:12 #
anasyounus
Member

@Sipahi
And as for IK indulging in 'constituency Politics'.. yea he is and its THE right thing to do..
Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah wasnt able to work around this 'constituency politics' and had to indulge into it in 1946 elections.. (I have already shared the link with you, pasting it again).. Imran is far far from Quaid's stature and is 35 years short of experience in politics of what Quaid had till 1946...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Muslim_League

You, me, Siddiqi bro and most of us on the forum know that PML-N and other parties wont even bother to give IK even 1% of attention of what they are giving him now IF IK dont indulge into 'constituency politics', no matter even if he gets a character certificate from GOD himself

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 18:23 #
sipahi
Member

@anasyounus

I am willing to give her benefit of doubt that she was naive enough to think that should could influence a change while staying in the party. Being in the parliment and in PML (Q) for seven years, she knows more about questionable people who have joined PTI.

Very few parlimentarians championed causes of common people, she was in fore-front in that arena. While the questionable people who have joined PTI were in forefront of executing policies against the interests of Pakistan.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 18:27 #
anasyounus
Member

@Sipahi
Thanks mate you giving her benefit of the doubt.. so nice of you.. I will personally try to convey your generosity to her by whatever means possible :)

Dont you think there could be people more generous thn you in this world?

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 18:51 #
bsobaid
Member

Marvi memon ne pti kay kolhoo pay danday barsaa deayy....
She has done the most accurate diagnosis of issues with pti.

Ik thinks just like he managed his cricket team and achieved extra ordinary results from ordinary players because of his management and leadership skills, he thinks he can do tje same in politics by getting seats from rented electables and then from his skills he will bring the change.

Ik and ik lovers should realize now that these politicians are ten times more cunning than ik can even imagine and yeh ik ko chati kaa doodh yaad dilaa dein g ay. Laikin shaid ik and ik lovers ko yeh tab yaad aaey gaa jab smq parliament mein pti hamkhayal group bana kay beth jaey gaa.

Marvis correctly identified, pti should have done grass root politics of real issues such as land reforms and jageerdarana nizam but chose to become a layer in isi's campaign to root out established political parties and leaders by doing their character assasination.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 19:03 #
quaidkamazaar
Member

this character assasination is not right from PTI

Marvi Memon is a grass roots politician and always talks about awami issues rather than old type of politics... thats why she left her own party because of 'old politics'.

She is one politician who I always feel is disciplined in her stance and talks at a different level from other seasoned jaagirdaar type politicians. fine she used jaageerdar parties to spring up at start, but she probably did not see another option.

PTI with the amount of airtime they get are playing wrong politics and there is nothing new about them as they are doing character assasination based politics more than issue based grass root politics.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 19:25 #
quaidkamazaar
Member

also this doublestandard of PTI is very wrong...

first their leader criticizes Altaf Hussain of 30 something murders, and then he happily starts speaking to the man and appreciating the MQM and their strong grass roots politics.

when asked, Imran Khan says bowl is "well left" in cricket. Imran Khan, this is not cricket, it is real politics, if you call MQM murderers you better stick to your words because your Punjabi based youth will not accept it.

Imran Khan is a bigmouth and says miscalculated words which he cannot defend later. very dumb indeed, not a sign of a great true leader. only blind people who are incapable to think will not realize this.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 19:30 #
insaftak
Member

What a dumb mistake by hamid khan.

Lol at Marvi actually thinking she will become the deputy chairperson of Parliamentary board.

Hell no lady! you are not that big just yet.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 20:28 #
wdurrani
Member

@insaftak

So do you think Marvi forged signature of IK on the letter she showed?

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 20:36 #
insaftak
Member

@ Durrani

PTI's appointments are done through official letterhead. here is one such example.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 20:39 #
wdurrani
Member

@insaftak

So you are now blaming Marvi Memon of forging Imran Khan's signatures? Yes or No?

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 20:46 #
insaftak
Member

Nope.

Professional parties/politicians don't operate on un-official documents.

even the letter that is presented by marvi has words scratched. That's not an official letter. We have always known Marvi Memon wanted that position and she probably would have gotten that too but she was too busy trying to get the best deal for her.

"You snooze you lose"

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 20:50 #
wdurrani
Member

@insaftak

What do mean by "un-official" document?

Also, what will say about the correspondence between Hussain Haqqani and Mansoor Ejaz based on your statement "professional political parties / politicians don't operate on un-official documents."

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 21:04 #
insaftak
Member

@ durrani

the letter produced by Marvi memon clearly has words scratched and replaced with other words. what does that suggest to you.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 21:17 #
wdurrani
Member

@insaftak

Before asking for my opinion please answer my questions.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 21:19 #
pacemaker
Member

siddiqi73, the list of biased people is very long

chacha kuppi,
Hasan Nisar,
Mujahid Barelvi,
Mujeeb ur rehman Shami,
Mohammad Malik,
Salim Bhkhari,
Ayaz Mir,
Javed Chodhry,
Kashif Abbasi, etc, etc, etc.,,,,,
wikileaks
PEW polls
Yougouv Polls,
Elecronic Media
Print Media
Social Media,
millions of people in Lahore, Karachi and areas of Pakistan
Majority of Overseas Pakistanis & so on ......up to infinity

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 21:26 #
insaftak
Member

@ Durrani

The letter clearly states there were ongoing negotiations with Marvi on various things.

This is what I posted in an earlier post in this thread.

"We have always known Marvi Memon wanted that position and she probably would have gotten that too but she was too busy trying to get the best deal for her.

"You snooze you lose"

hence the scratched words on this letter.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 21:27 #
wdurrani
Member

@insaftak

Where does the letter states that? Can you please pin point?

Also, now do you think that the discussion between Hussain Haqqani and Mansoor Ejaz was "un-official"?

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 21:32 #
insaftak
Member

@ durrani

I never said there were no discussions between Marvi and PTI.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 21:36 #
wdurrani
Member

@insaftak,

First, can you please clarify if Marvi Memon was actually "busy" or "snoozing".

Secondly, can you please pinpoint which lines in the letter suggests that it not an offer but discussions only.

Thirdly, what is your current stance about "un-official" discussions between Hussain Haqqani and Mansoor Ejaz?

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 21:40 #
insaftak
Member

Lol.

Good job trolling. I am actually busy to answer to this trolling.

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 21:44 #
wdurrani
Member

@insaftak

So?

Posted 3 months ago on 12 Feb 2012 21:48 #
anasyounus
Member

@quaidkamazar
^^^^also this doublestandard of PTI is very wrong...

first their leader criticizes Altaf Hussain of 30 something murders, and then he happily starts speaking to the man and appreciating the MQM and their strong grass roots politics^^^

He didnt started saying this after 30th october mate.. he is saying this since 1996/97, and even when he was trying to get AH prosecuted in london, he said the same thing.. his interviews recorded in 2008/2009 are on record..
With all appreciation for MQM, he always mentioned the politics of violence as the Issue with MQM and hindrence to any coperation between PTI and MQM

Posted 3 months ago on 13 Feb 2012 3:57 #
sipahi
Member

@anasyounus

Do you and PTI still believe that MQM is involved in Bhatta-Khori?

Posted 3 months ago on 13 Feb 2012 4:19 #
quaidkamazaar
Member

asasynounus,

that is exactly the kind of doublestandard i talk about.

in one breath, you are saying altaf hussain is mass killer... in another, you are appreciating a killer for his role in any matter?

what a kind of a lunatic would do that?

Posted 3 months ago on 13 Feb 2012 4:58 #
anasyounus
Member

@quaidkamazar,

is it double standard to appreciate the good work of even a killer (something not related to his killings obviously)..

and did you ever heard him give unconditional support or backing to MQM not pointing out their violent version of politics? whenever he was asked a question, he said the same thing.. MQM are natuaral allies if they leave out violence..
Unfair to term it as 'double standard'...

Its a different thing that you dont agree that MQM do 'violent politics'.. thats your openion and its fine with me..

Posted 3 months ago on 13 Feb 2012 5:29 #
zingaro
Member

I agree to the reason that one should be very careful while naming someone on a live show. Hamid Khan should have known the difference between ms. murree and marvi memon. If he is in politics then he should also know about the other political workers. Anyhow I also appreciate that he appeared again to apologize for his "slip of tongue". But at the same time shazia murree's part was total nonsense.

Now coming to marvi memon, there is no doubt that she was the first whom IK invited to join in a public gathering. She also confessed in "lakin show" that she put some conditions to which IK agreed to. But Sana Bucha forgto to ask her when IK agreed to her terms then why she did not join. Secondly being a student of law, i totally reject the letter presented by marvi. This letter which she showed as proof seems to me a mere draft which was not signed. I can't expect that a final appointment letter may have word cuttings.

Marvi was herself part of Musharraf team but these days she is very much busy in establishing relations with N-league. You see she was also present in the meeting held at Kh. Saad Rafiq, when they were trying to reconcile with Javed Hashmi. You remember Marvi was also there and it was purely a N-league internal matter. I raised this point at that time as well.

At the end PTI should also pay attention to their grooming and admit their mismanagement. Instead of fighting they should improve their working knowledge and give logical and sound reasoning.

Posted 3 months ago on 13 Feb 2012 6:07 #
siddiqi73
Member

Zingaro Bhai,

MM already stated that after the offer from Lota Tehreek, she came to realize that this whole movement of Justice was a fraud and was led by a total phony named Imran Khan.

Since MM and her father were important cogs of Musharraf's set-up and carried a lot of baggage post Musharraf era, why did Establishment Khan had to go out of his way on the verge of literally begging her to join the Facebook Party?

As for MM establishing a working relationship with PML (N), this contention is based on conjecture and until she formally joins N-League; nothing can be said for certain.

Posted 3 months ago on 13 Feb 2012 7:32 #
siddiqi73
Member

@Insaftak,

>>> Nope.

Professional parties/politicians don't operate on un-official documents.<<<

All the more reasons now for PTI to come out and repudiate the claim of MM and if necessary, file a case of forgery in a court of law.

Posted 3 months ago on 13 Feb 2012 7:41 #
peacefulpatriot
Member

@ all

1. What proof do you have to determine the authenticity of the 'document' that marvi memon has posted? A signature? Even that signature doesn't look like Imran Khan's.

2. What proof is there that the document was not authored by Marvi Memon herself and then taken to Imran Khan (who would in turn have refused to give the Deputy Chairman slot and replaced it with 'member' status).

There is no proof so making one sided decisions on some shabby letter that even I could produce (making myself vice chairman) is plain stupidity.

Marvi Memon's whole diatribe in the last two n half months (yes she began it first, go see her tweets as far back as mid november) and her "revelation" in the end that she alone is the harbinger of change is proof enough that there is motive to malign someone else (i.e. IK) and to gain some political mileage.

These days it is a norm to produce dirt when you can find none, and then throw it at PTI to get some airtime - attention seeking behaviour just like Veena Malik's. Those who have no policies and no public backing have found a way to polish their pseudo-political movements by trying to paint PTI as a tainted movement.

Fortunately it isn't 1997 when you could forge bank cheques and slap on controversial labels. Its been over 02 months since the arrival of 2012: wake up and smell the coffee.

Posted 3 months ago on 13 Feb 2012 12:16 #