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PTI's shadow cabinet now takes budget issue and offers recomendation

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  1. wantinsaf
    Member

    PPP is busy in saving culpritts like Rehman and Zardari.MQM and ANP are promoting hatred and civil war in Karachi.Nawaz Sharif and his PML N are busy in saving an ineffective system based on injustice,corruption and inequality as after all they too are beneficiary of this flawed system.PTI's shadow cabinet takes another issue and offeres recomendation so that budget can offer some benefit to common masses.That's what differentiates PTI from other parties.Here is an artcile written by one member of PTI's shadow cabinet:

    Pakistan Tehreek-e- Insaf

    Economy And Budget 2010-2011

    Issues And Recommendations

    By Naeem Ul Haque, Spokesperson For Economic Affairs.

    Economy----. Main Points/ Demands

    1. Scrapping Of IMF Agreement (Which Has Stifled Economic Growth, Created High Inflation, Maintained High Interest Rates And Resulted In Massive Closures Of Factories And Joblessness. The Agreement Should Be Replaced By Bilateral Agreements With Countries Like Iran, Malaysia And Others Who Can Easily Provide Support Of 5-10 Billion Dollars From Their Massive Foreign Exchange Reserves.)

    2. Immediate Lowering Of Interest Rates To Single Digit To Provide Essential Impetus For Economic Revival ..

    3. Expanding Tax Base To Cover All Income Including Income From Agriculture, Real Estate And Capital Market Transactions.(Additional Rs 200 Billion Can Be Recovered Through This Measure)

    4. Immediate Removal of Petroleum Surcharge by Rs. 20 per Litre. This Will Directly Affect The Lowering Of Prices Of Essential Goods.

    5. Deferring The Vat For Another Year To Ensure Its Effectiveness And Its Reduction From 15% To 10%.

    6. Reducing Non Development Government Expenditure By At Least 20% P.A. Every Year For The Next Three Years.( Saving Rs. 200 Billion P.A.)

    7. Commodity Prices For Atta, Daal, Sugar And Ghee To Be Reducedby At Least 15%. Utility Stores To Be Opened 24 Hours. Independent Public Price Commissions Should Be Establish To Regulate Prices Of Essential Commodities .

    8. Public Transportation To Be Introduced In All Cities With Subsidised Rates For The Poor.( Rs 500 Per Month Maximum ) And Free Travel For People Over Sixty Including Rail Travel

    9. Benazir Income Support Program Has Failed Miserably And Should Be Scrapped. The Poor Have Not Benefitted From It At All As Inflation Continues To Grow Rapidly.The Money (Rs.35 Billion) Allocated For The Program Should Be Diverted To Health And Education. The Poor Can Benefit From Price Control Measures Suggested Above.

    10. Completely Free Education In Government Schools And Colleges From Class 1 To 16. No Admission Fee, No Examination Fee And No Other Fee.( App. Rs25 Billion P.A. Additional Funds Required For Education Sector)

    11. Comprehensive Health Insurance Cover For The Poor (Earning Upto Rs.6000 P.M.) App. Upto Rs 10 Billion P.A.Requiredfor The Health Sector.

    12. Industrial Revival And Investment Program To Be Introduced With Incentives Like Free Land And Equity Investment By Government Owned Financial Institutions (Who Are Sitting On Surplus Funds Of Rs. 500 Billion.) Industrial Growth Rate To Be Targetted At 20% P.A.

    13. Closure Or Merger Of Surplus Ministries At The Centre As A Result Of Abolishing Of Concurrent List.Privatisation Commission Should Also Be Closed Down As It Has Become Necessary For The Government To Support Big State Owned Ventures. Instead Of Selling Them Private Equity Participation In Them Should Be Encouraged .

    14. Revitalisation Of Ministry Of Employment And Activation Of National Placement Bureaus. A Comprehensive Program For Training People And Creating Jobs.

    15. Adhocism Must Be Stopped. All Economic, Financial And Industrial Policies Should Be On A Medium To Long Term Basis To Improve The Confidence Level In The Businessmen And Investors.

    16. Complete Abolition Of The Vip Culture. Not More Than One Car And One Security Guard To Cabinet Members. No National Flag Flying On Ministerial Vehicles Except The Head Of State.

    Budget ---Main Points/Demands

    1. The Government Must Cut Down Its Non Development Expenditure ( General Public Services)From Over Rs. 1000 Billion To Rs. 800 Billion. It Should Start By Sacrificing Its Extravagant And Wasteful Expenditure Rather Than Burdening People With More Taxes. Every Government Department Should Be Asked To Cut Their Expenditure By 20%. ( After Abolishing Con-Current List, It Should Not Be Very Difficult)

    2. All Income To Be Taxed Including Agriculture. Real Estate And Capital Market Gains Should Also Be Taxed. (Additional Rs. 200 Billion In Revenues Could Be Generated From This). No More Removal Of Subsidies During A Period Of The Gravest Economic Crisis For The Common Man In Our History. Minimum Taxable Income Should Be Increased From Rs 200,000 To Rs.360,000.P.A.

    3. Subsidized Loans At No More Than 5% Per Annum For A Three Year Period For New Approved Industrial Ventures Which Create Jobs And For Projects Enhancing Agricultural Production ( Including Loans For Small Farmers).

    4. Allocation Of Rs. 50 Billion P.A. Each For Health And Education Sectors And Rs Ten Billion For Social Welfare Programs.

    5. Abolition Of Surcharge From Petrol And Utilities, To Remove The Biggest Bottleneck To Higher Economic Growth And To Ease Inflationary Pressures.

    6. Corporate Income Tax Rate To Be Reduced To A Maximum Of 25%.

    7. Setting Aside 10% Of All National Foreign Exchange Earnings In A Permanent Reserve Till It Reaches The Level Of One Year Import Bill With A View To Strengthening The Value Of The Rupee.

    8. Sales Tax Should Be Applied At A Uniform Rate Of 15% And All Variations Should Be Stopped.

    9. An Export Development bank should be set sp specialising In Trade Finance Techniques With A View To Help Achieve Higher Export Growth Rates

    10. Measures Should Be Introduced To Bring Into The Tax Net Most Sectors Of The Black Economy. The Complexity Of The Task Would Require A Few Years For Implementation But The Process Must Begin.

    11. Public Sector Development Plan Should Rely More On Investments Or Condition Free Grants Than On Loans.

    12. The Issue of Circular Debt To Be Settled Within Three Months By Using A Mixture Of Cash/Debt/Equity Settlements.

    13. . Setting Aside upto Rs. 100 Billion For A Comprehensive & Massive Agriculture Support Program Designed To Increase Food Crop Production By At Least 10-20% Every Year.

    A Detailed Response To The Government Budget For 2010-11 Will Be Made Immediately After The Budget Is Announced On 5th June 2010.

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 May 2010 6:39 #
  2. wantinsaf
    Member

    How to Cope with Energy Crisis (By:- Saqib Idrees Taj)11-05-2005

    Currently we have a short fall of more than 4000 MW, approx 12 hours load shedding in Urban and 16-20 hours in Rural. Present government has failed to cope with this short fall due to their vested interests and inability.

    On the other hand Pakistanis have spent billions of rupees on alternate energy sources like UPS and Generators. Whereas it requires only 7 billion USD to build Kalabagh Dam which will produce 3500 MW at the cost of 60 paisa per unit (KW)

    For any country to thrive the core requirement is cheap energy, as it affects your Textile, Agriculture, Food and Other businesses directly. It is very unfortunate that we do have potential to produce cheap energy but lack patriotic and able leadership.

    Pakistan current power demand is more than 22000 MW and it is rising 8% annually, Pakistan has total installed power generation capacity of 20,456 MW. However, dependable or de-rated capacity is in the range of 14,000 to 16,000 MW

    Hydro Power:-

    The cheapest of all is hydro power, it costs around 60 paisa per unit (KW) and we have currently installed capacity of 6,493 MW. According to estimates, it is economically possible to generate some 34,000 additional MW from hydropower, and 150 sites for projects of cumulative capacity of 20,000 MW have been identified, top of the list are Bunji (6,500 MW), Diamir Basha (3700MW), Kalabagh (3500MW) ,Thakot (2,800MW), Patan (2,800MW), Kohala (1,100MW) etc.

    Building Dams will server two purpose, first it is a source of cheap electricity, second is water storage which will be used for irrigation purpose. If we use Indus water efficiently we can easily cope with rising power demand and water required for irrigation. PTI should include this in its top agenda to bring Consensus over water storage Dams by educating masses.

    Coal Generation:-

    Pakistan has fourth largest coal reserves in the world but it is importing 2.5 million tons of coal per annum for cement industry.

    Let me compare our Thar Coal Reserves like this:- if all the oil reserves of Saudia Arabia and Iran put together, they are approx these are approximately 405 Billion barrels, but this single Thar Coal Reserve is about 850 Trillion Cubic Feet, which is more Than oil reserves of Saudia and Iran. These reserves estimated at 850 trillion cubic feet (TCF) of gas, about 30 times higher than Pakistan’s proven gas reserves of 28 TCF.

    The coal power generation would cost Pakistan PKR 5.67 per unit; around 420 Billion Rupees are required for initial investment.

    Chinese and other companies had not only carried out surveys and feasibilities of this project but also offered 100 percent investment in last 7 to 8 years but the “Petroleum Gang” always discouraged them in a very systematic way.

    Wind Generation:-

    One of the finest ways to produce energy is from wind, when you are much concerned about global warming. Pakistan has much potential to produce energy via wind, but not much is being done in this regard. India is producing more than 10,000 MW electricity from this source, whereas China is producing over 25,000 MW.

    Pakistan wind corridor map:-

    You can see from the chart that how much electricity potential we have, wind energy will cost around 5-6 rupee per unit, much less than diesel and gas generation.

    What we are waiting for, share this information with your friends and friends of friends. Let’s stand united and build a consensus amongst provinces to thrive and prosper like China and the West.

    Warm Regards,

    Saqib Idrees Taj (Shakargarh)

    MSC Telecom Engg (AUS)

    Member CEC PTI Punjab

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 May 2010 8:23 #
  3. wantinsaf
    Member


    Posted 1 year ago on 28 May 2010 8:25 #
  4. 1. Scraping IMF and asking for money from countries that still didnt paid what they promised in Friends of Pakistan....very good solution...IMF might be a problem for Pakistan as it is increasing inflation due to its requirements to raise prices of energy, raise Inflation rate and other things as well but it is the only available option for Pakistan other then Kerry Loger bill as no other country is trusting Pakistan with their money and therefore no country has yet provide money which they promised...Iran would be unwilling to provide Pakistan with anything as they will have pressure from Russia and also they cant provide Pakistan when Pakistan is USA alley...

    2. It is also not possible to lower interest rate as if Pakistan lower their interest rate then Borrowing will increased and because Banks have not much savings due to Govt. expenditures so new currency notes will be printed hence rising supply of currency and due to that currency will devalue further so second step is only viable if Govt. expenditures are decreased...

    3. Expending tax base on areas which Govt. didnt even touched in development then this would be unfair as those areas didnt even receive any relief from Govt. then for what reason should they pay taxes???Yes by offering few utilities it can expend tax base like in Baluchistan their is no gas so by offering gas in cylinders(also in other parts of Pakistan) like in Dubai could help Govt. to expend their tax base as their is a tax attach with Gas as well so by taking initiative to provide those Utilities which are not very scarce in Pakistan then Govt. would be able to increase Tax base...

    4. Yes a good solution of removing RS20 surcharge on petroleum prices but this will increase petroleum demand and due to increase in demand price will become high in matter of days due to shortage and more oil had to import which could effect our balance of trade(which is main cause of inflation)..

    5. Dont know much about point five...

    6. Yes reducing non development expenditure would do some job but here is a problem which is that most of non development expenditures are spend on Maintenance and repairing stuffs and as we know about the conditions of Govt. assets this could cause big problems...

    7. 20% decrease in price of basic commodity would put to much pressure on Govt. as we know about their use in 17 million people but Yes Utility stores should be opened but I add another thing here which is their are super markets like Metro and Macro which have started working in big cities of Pakistan so by expending their program in small cities and also in areas which are not reached in big cities would bring some benefits as this will bring investment and secondly in those places commodities are available in whole sale rate which are lower then retailer rate so this could give some benefits...

    8. I would say Public transport should be use more then Railways as the income that can be generated from railway is from transportation of Goods so instead of focusing on railways regarding passenger transport railway should be more focus on Good transport and passenger transport should be shifted to Buses and other types of Publi transport by that we can increase employment by increasing buses and also we can lower Railway losses...

    9. Their is a big difference between Income support and health and education so I dont agree with this diverting but I rather propose that Benazir income support program should be transferred to micro credit scheme with flexible packages that could help in getting employment and starting new business...The money on health and education should be increased by decreasing some other expenses but not Income support as without Income even health and education is not possible...

    10. I agree with this point but it will require huge amounts of funds that are only possible through donors and by freeing education then we can guess how much our education system would get better as we can witness current standard of education in Govt. institution in low cost so free education what standard we could able to achieve is something that should consider...

    11. Health insurance for those who dont even have doctors available...this would be little unfair but spending money and encouraging pharmaceuticals to manufacture all the medicines which are mostly used in Pakistan completely(along with raw material which are imported) this will not only lower the cost of medicines to half but also get medicines available for poor and by asking pharmaceuticals to help enhancing Pakistan health care program will give better results as their medicine would be affordable and their sales could be increased if they help Pakistan medical program as well....

    12. Industrial programs incentives are very much not possible because high interest rate and energy crisis are the biggest hurdle here so by controlling any one of those elements would be more then an incentive for industries because both are increasing their operation costs which is the basic reason why they are unwilling to invest in Pakistan...

    13. Yes closure or merger of ministry is very viable and very basic solution but privatization commission is a need as this could facilitate some Govt. institutions...every Govt. institution should at least give 10-15% in private hands and remaining 15% in hands of their Govt. employees to encourage public private partnership in Govt. institution as reforms brought by private companies could be good for operations of Govt. and Govt. employees participation in company could encourage Govt. employees to work...

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 May 2010 8:48 #
  5. siddiqi73
    Member

    Oh Puhleaseeeee, spare us with this shadow cabinet nonsense. The folks in PTI need to first formulate a strategy to win some seats in the next elections, whenever that might happen. You can't always run before you walk.

    Posted 1 year ago on 29 May 2010 7:24 #
  6. wantinsaf
    Member

    @Siddiqi73
    PTI needs to do everything:
    It needs to discuss issues and offer recomendation
    It also needs to formulate startegy to win over terrorists,corrupts and incompetents
    It must keep struggling for bringing justice and equality in society.

    Posted 1 year ago on 29 May 2010 11:14 #
  7. @wantinsaf urf Hawk

    Plz yar give us a break

    Just go to your local market and ask anyone if they know what a shadow cabinet is let alone how it works. You guys have been getting daydreaming tablets from this part time politician Imran Khan. First think how can you win 1 assembly seat and please ask Imran to give ticket to ordinary PTI workers NOT to rejected ex-members of PPP.

    Stop taking daydreaming tablets

    Posted 1 year ago on 29 May 2010 21:20 #
  8. pirbodla
    Member

    You have had your break, now is the time for you to awake. Now, let me tell you that just as PPP made the entire nation to know what NRO is, so will PTI let them know what is the SHADOW CABNET. You know that at one time most of your Piplia Leaders like Aabdi, R Malik, CM Sind, etc., did not know even about the kitchen cabinet, but today the same nitwits are sitting in the Cabinet.

    By the way, what made you think that Imran khan is a part time politician? You should have known that when Mr 10% used to sell cinema tickets, the Great Khan was busy studying political science at Oxford. I hope you must have herd about oxford.
    The only hope of Pakistan is Imran khan, all the rest are rotten lot, which we can dump in thrash bin.

    The educated youth are joing PTI in wholesale.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 2:00 #
  9. @pirbodla

    You too like wantinsaf are under the influence of daydreaming tablets which Imran has given you in wholesale. Please use these tablets cautiously. Back to this topi drama of Shadow Cabinet Ministers of PTI, since your hawkish member wantinsaf has not visited his local shopping centre to get an idea of what is a shadow cabinet from ordinary people; I have decided to do this on his behalf and honestly report back to him. So far I have asked 5 people and honestly no one knew what a shadow cabinet was let alone how it works. This is nothing but another topi drama from this part time politician Imran Khan.

    Imran's skills are cricket, past playboy activities and chanda collection; since he had a political science degree from Oxford University so he wanted to do some part time politics as a hobby while he continued his chanda collection as full time work. He always knew his weak position among public and voters. Imran was introduced into politics by a fanatic Hameed Gul who was behind the creation of Taliban mafia back in mid 1990's. That is why Imran has deep rooted love and respect for talibans. Imran's negative politics and support for terrorist Taliban mafia (don't forget Imran's support for another mafia Jamat Islami) are key factors for his low popularity among Pakistani voters.

    We are having bye-election almost one a month; why not your favourite leader Imran stands as a candidate in one of them to test his popularity. Imran gave a 38% popularity rating daydreaming tablet to wantinsaf, looks like he has given another daydreaming tablet "The educated youth are joining PTI in wholesale". to Pirbodla.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 2:20 #
  10. @pirbodla and wantinsaf

    Simply look at the popularity of this thread with only 10 posts so far. Every member of Pk Politics knows this Shadow cabinet is nothing but an another topi drama from a part time politician.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 2:28 #
  11. Well the ideas of this Shadow cabinet is just a random idea which could generate in anyone's mind who have studied Economics at University level...Their is nothing especial in it as I have also respond to it as well its just require brain storming and these ideas could easily develop within the mind of the person...These suggestion are just small piece of advice for committee which is making a budget but the constraints which could Pakistan face in making budgets are not even considered here but just pulling that this is what we should do to make budget...Its a same kind of report like Imran Khan saying that "we should get rid of USA" but HOW???
    BTW these shadow cabinet worth nothing because all the decisions are made in parliament by discussions with Parliamentarians and it is parliamentarians which decides what to do...Even reading first point of it made me laugh at the work as first point suggest that "we should scrape IMF agreement and made an agreement of same kind with Iran or any friendly nation"...wow do anyone knows about the aid promised by Iran to Pakistan???it was like $33 million and even China didnt offered Pakistan in billions as this shadow cabinet is suggesting and still these countries havent paid full amount which they promissed so by doing same kind of deal with other country would means that by starve to death until money from other countries arrive...So after reading the first piece of suggestion it was like a report full of crap but till reading 10 points about economy I just fedup reading this as it has only got childish ideas of same kind as Imran Khan says about getting rid of America and getting rid of Zardari or getting rid of corrupt people but after saying that he never said how is it possible any plans???

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 2:38 #
  12. pirbodla
    Member

    Siddiqi73
    You are spared. Now you can sit and enjoy cool breeze of Raiwind under the shadow of Sharifs’Shamiyanas for as long as you like. Maybe, one day they will allot you some mills as well, and even teach the tricks of tax evasion. Everyone knows that they are expert to run their businesses on the names of others, so they do not have pay more then Rs 5000 in tax.
    Surely, with Imam Khan there will be no chance for easy money, for his aim is to make Pakistan a prosperous state. That may not be of your interest, so make sure he never comes to power and shatter you dreams.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 2:49 #
  13. pirbodla
    Member

    Sweettruth

    Go check every post on pk politics, and see for yourself the popularity of Mr 10% along with his entire cabinet. Perhaps your pride is about the popularity of Fouzia Wahab, Kaira, Salman Taseer, or Inder Raja of Andernaghri, who has drowned the whole country in darkness.
    Honestly, it is a disgrace to be a Piplia. I have not met a single educated person who thinks like you.So please do not say anything where people laugh at you.

    In fact, you are only about five Piplias on this forum, half on PPP payroll.

    BTW, PTI has its own immaculate website, and the chaps are always bussy there. If they turn over here it will wet your pents.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 3:14 #
  14. @pirbodla

    Once again immature comments from your confused mind. PPP has been contesting and winning seats in bye-elections. They are the largest political party and that is why they are in Govt with the help of other smaller parties. PPP can contest any seat in any electorate and can win most of them. Now back to your PTI popularity; instead of coming up with sound comments you guys start attacking other parties. Some criticizes PML-N, some attacks MQM only and I think you have problem with PPP.

    What is a PTI?
    PTI is pressure group and one-man party with Imran's past cricket profile and chanda collection for charity work and frequent TV appearances in media shows.
    This is the definition of PTI and tell me honestly can you win a seat anywhere from Pakistan. Just name one.

    Your strong belief on Internet popularity is nothing but a sham; you do not win election through fan clubs. Imran spends more time overseas collecting chanda (mostly fom USA and abusing USA alomost daily) for his charity work and you poor guys daydream and write unsound, immature and confused comments on Internet blogs.

    Keep taking your daydreaming tablets (but in moderation)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 3:40 #
  15. pirbodla
    Member

    Sweettruth
    Has Zardari put you on his favourite whisky? You mentioned Imran as past playboy, what about present playboy Mr10%, or you justify his spots under the cover of matah? Have you not seen the famous video of your Multani Pir on you tube. Imran is practising Muslim. I think you have discarded all the shame, for you are involved with lousy buggers.

    Do you know why Imran flung back his medal on the face of Zardari? Because, he cares about his dignity.
    Imran Khan is the pride of Pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 3:53 #
  16. @pirbodla

    You wrote once again very immature comments; "BTW, PTI has its own immaculate website, and the chaps are always bussy there. If they turn over here it will wet your pents".

    Here we go again; does an immaculate website win you extra votes? You guys have blind faith on Internet to win elections but cannot tell which one will be your first seat. I am laughing loudly Imran has hired immature and confused guys like you to promote PTI on Internet Blogs. Oh well, now you guys have an immaculate website with busy chaps and if they turn over here can cause urinating in the pant. Wow what a site and chaps they are!! I am scared and shivering right now.

    Well, do not forget my advice of moderate intake.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 3:58 #
  17. @pirbodla

    All your comments are childish and lack consistency. You are at sixes and sevens with your thoughts. Title of thread is your Shadow cabinet and you are criticizing Zardari and other irrelevant stuff. Why don't you do a survey to know how many people do actually know about this term shadow cabinet? Shadow cabinet Ministers are in the Parliament under British Westminster system. But poor PTI guys cannot win a single seat so Imran has given them status of a fake Minister outside parliament. All these members must be very happy; now they can tell their family and friends that they are Shadow Cabinet Minister. LoL a big one really LoL.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 4:09 #

  18. Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 4:16 #
  19. pirbodla
    Member

    Sweettruth
    Winning elections and rigging elections are two different things. Do not you feel any embarrassment showing that loony Dasti as a winner. In by elections a crock like Mr10% will add as many fake votes as he like, wait until general elections. Before I leave my advice to you is do yourself a favour and quit the most corrupt party. Good-bye for now.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 4:20 #
  20. @pirbodla

    Most corrupt party are you talking about MQM or PPP???If its PPP then I agree with you but if its MQM then they are the most competent people around which can easily judged by their performance in places where they have authority...

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 5:54 #
  21. wantinsaf
    Member

    @gazi23
    There are serious corruption charges against all the ministers of MQM which include Baber Ghauri and Khush Bakhat Shujaat.
    One can judge their competency which made them vote for monsters like Musharaf and Zardari.MQM despite being in Govt has failed to provide even any recomendations of energy crisi,economic crisis,inflation,Amercian inteference and target killing etc.MQM is always seen busy in target killing,promoting hatred among ethnicities and working on American agenda.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 6:43 #
  22. @wantinsaf urf Hawk

    In your every post you criticize Americans but your leader Imran visits USA several times a year to collect chanda from American citizens. Isn't it the height of hypocrisy from your part time politician?

    Imran Khan gives you "daydreaming tablets" and you guys write all your over-optimistic comments under the influence of daydreaming tablets.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 8:17 #
  23. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    PTI should focus on drafting strategies on how to actually win several votes this time instead.

    @wantinsaf,

    "There are serious corruption charges against all the ministers of MQM which include Baber Ghauri and Khush Bakhat Shujaat."

    Let's hear more about these corruption charges then. Let's start with Raza Haroon, the IT minister and a current member of Rabita Comitte (and Core comitte).

    Speaking of Baber Ghauri, make sure you are not misquoting his revenues because he is owner of a large and very profitable resturant Laroshe in a very posh area of Karachi for decades. As for Khush Bakht, she is headmistress of a private school, so make sure you are also not quoting the LOAN their family had to take out (which incidentally she has not defaulted against).

    Even the opposing parties admit there is not even a single corruption case against MQM, when NRO list came out, the world saw there hadn't been a single corruption case against MQM.

    Whilst we are at it, make sure you understand the difference between a corruption case (i.e. which is pending in judiciary or taken account of by NAB or related departments) and an insignificant by-passing comment from a newspaper article (which any journalist or even citizen can write).

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 8:34 #
  24. he he he
    liberal bhaiyya ,
    ap tou baray hi liberal niklay ...:):):)
    MQM waly doodh kay dhulay hoye hain...
    aur unka kisi baat mein koi qasoor nahin hay ...
    good ,good ...

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 8:48 #
  25. siddiqi73
    Member

    @liberalkarachi,

    I beg to differ with ya. Engaging in financial corruption aint MQM's style because it entails a lot of thought process. Plus MQM does not believe in sharing the percentage of the loot with anyone. Why go through the hassle of skimming off money from the public exchequer when you can simply pick up the phone and demand protection/extortion money from thousands of business houses based in Karachi. How else would Altaf Corleone's lifestyle be financed in London?

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 9:06 #
  26. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    @choosy,

    "MQM waly doodh kay dhulay hoye hain...
    aur unka kisi baat mein koi qasoor nahin hay ...
    good ,good ..."

    nahi bhai, MQM wale doodh ke dhulay hoye nahi hai, inho ne bohot si ghaltiya ki hogi yakeenan...ghalat log MQM ya koi or si political party me dakhil to ho sakte hain lakin waha rehne nahi chahiye ghaltio ke baad. Aur MQM ne hazaron logon ko kharijh kiya hai party se issi wajah se.

    But MQM-phobia and irrational hatred against MQM is not acceptable :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 9:07 #
  27. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    @siddiqi73,

    so you are agreeing MQM has not indulged in financial corruption and there is no evidence for it too? But you are asserting that MQM has instead taken part in bhatta and phone snatching in Karachi?

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 9:08 #
  28. siddiqi73
    Member

    @liberalKarachi,

    Oh they have engaged in systematic financial corruption like the Octroi affair back in the 90's. As far as evidence is concerned, there are is no cogent evidence of corruption against the bhangee/chora/chamar either who is perched on the Presidency, just circumstential, hearsay and conjecture. But we are all well aware of the truth.

    And yes, I'm not asserting but saying this with a lot conviction that my brothers in MQM are involved in bhatta and phone snatching. I've proof of it which obviously if I shared would not be believed by anyone.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 9:20 #
  29. he he he
    @Liberal Karachi ,
    bhai jaan ,
    MQM ne ghalat logon ko nhain sahi logon ko kharaj kar diy hay wohh bhi duniya se kharij....
    example:
    Hakeem Saeed and Azeem Tarik

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 9:24 #
  30. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    @siddiqui73,

    "Oh they have engaged in systematic financial corruption like the Octroi affair back in the 90's. As far as evidence is concerned, there are is no cogent evidence of corruption against the bhangee/chora/chamar either who is perched on the Presidency, just circumstential, hearsay and conjecture. But we are all well aware of the truth."

    If they had invovled in financial corruption then we would at least see CASE PENDING or case registered against them at least. Or even in the list of bank defaulters or in the NRO list. Zardari already HAS case on corruption pending against him currently, therefore you are conflating two different issues here.

    As for your personal witness of bhatta, no, that does not qualify as any substantial point as your supposition that those involved in phone snatching etc ARE IN FACT FROM MQM remains to be verified and checked rigorously.

    @choosy,
    "Hakeem Saeed and Azeem Tarik"

    Azeem Tarik was the co-chairman OF MQM, you are accusing MQM of killing their own co-chairman? Think rationally! As for Hakeem Saeed, MQM was acquitted and freed from the Sindh High Court itself! You must be right and the SHC, after through investigation, must be wrong?

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 9:38 #
  31. he he he
    @Liberal Karachi bhaiyya ,
    aap tou khafa ho gaye ...najanay kion ,MQM waly 2 cheezon pe tap jatay hain aik tou 12 May pe aur aik Hakeem Saeed and Azeem Tariq kay murder pe ...

    yani daal mein kuch kaala hay ....kion ?
    pakray gaye na ????:):):)

    Hakeem Saeed kay qatal ki gawahi khud MQM kay supporter dictator Mush khan se lay lo.
    jisne Talak Hussain kay program mein kaha kay MQM kay Hakeem Saeed kay qatal kay saray sobot meray pass thay ,magar uss waqat kay wazir e Azam Nawaz Sharif ne Govt alliance totany kay khatray ki wajah se un pe hath nahin dala ....

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 9:53 #
  32. siddiqi73
    Member

    And thousands of other mohajir youths who lost their lives due to the internal conflicts amongst many factions of MQM.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 9:55 #
  33. siddiqi73
    Member

    @choosy Bhai,

    Yaar Liberal Karachi bhai ko naraz mut karo; Please understand that MQM walay doodh say dhoolay howay hain. Altaf Bhai itnay Pak Saaf insaan hain kay woh Pakistan jaisee Napak jagah par wapis bhee nahee aana chahtay!

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 9:57 #
  34. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    @choosy,

    "aap tou khafa ho gaye ...najanay kion ,MQM waly 2 cheezon pe tap jatay hain aik tou 12 May pe aur aik Hakeem Saeed and Azeem Tariq kay murder pe ..."

    hahahah nahi dost! Main bilkul khafa nahi howa tha..pata nahi q app ko aisa mehsoos hoa...haan aur adalat faisla karti hai ke kon mujrim hai na ke Musharraf

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 10:13 #
  35. @Siddiqi73,
    he he he
    sahi kaha bhai sahi kaha aap ne .
    meri majal jo paak saaf MQM ko ganda kahon...

    mulk mein paak saaf ghunda gardi ki riwayat MQM ne hi dali hay ;jis pe hum sub unkay shukur guzar hain...

    Altaf Don bhi sharifon ka sharif hay ....:):):)LOL

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 10:15 #
  36. @Liberal Bhai ,
    narazz na hoany ka shukriya ...
    mujh ko nahi pata tha kay MQM itni achai hay ;warna kabhi na yeh baat likhta ...:):):):)

    anyways ;Mush has been the Godfather for your party sometime back...

    Mush was the one ,who ordered may 12 happenings to MQM .
    and MQM while obying him ,did the masscare .

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 10:18 #
  37. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    I thought Mush came along in 1999 and MQM was established in 1986 and APMSO in 1978? :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 10:25 #
  38. he he he
    Liberal Bhai jee ,
    ab itnay nanahy tou aap bhi nahin hain.
    i was refering to Mush out of the way support in his era of 11 year dictatorship .
    MQM was playing in the lap of Mush ...

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 10:37 #
  39. siddiqi73
    Member

    Rather a Chihuahua playing in Mushi's lap.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 10:40 #
  40. wantinsaf
    Member

    @Liberal karachi
    How can someone belonging to poor class buy a restaurant?
    It has to be done through corruption or using 'Qabza group of MQM'.
    Can you give us any detail about how he made so much money?

    Speaking of NRO,MQM was the biggest beneficiary but later when they saw SC is about give verdict againt NRO,they withdrew their support.NRO told us there are more than 4000 cases against MQM and it was the biggest beneficiary of NRO.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 10:53 #
  41. siddiqi73
    Member

    @wantinsaf,

    LiberalKarachi was technically correct as their were no CORRUPTION related charges on MQM under the NRO. But our friend failed to disclose that all such charges running into thousands were actually TERRORISM case filed against these angels; like Corruption is a lesser offense as compared to Terrorism!

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 10:58 #
  42. he he he
    Babur Ghuri is a poor ghunda .
    who can own a resturarent and a huge Ghunda gang to take care of bhatta collection process all over the country .

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 11:02 #
  43. siddiqi73
    Member

    @wantinsaf,

    With reference to Babar Ghoris restaurant. I only want to ask the MQM farishtas that how do their battery of Rabita Committee members, ministers, Governor and what not finance their numerous and more than regular trips to London to pay homage in the court of his might Lord Altaf Hussain. What is the source of funding of such trips when most of their constituents can't even afford to go to Hyderabad.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 11:02 #
  44. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    @wantinsaf,

    "How can someone belonging to poor class buy a restaurant?
    It has to be done through corruption or using 'Qabza group of MQM'.
    Can you give us any detail about how he made so much money?"

    He did not buy a resturant now, he has had it for decades, its a well known place for Karachiites. How he made the money? Through hard-work, dedication, entrepreneur-spirit and luck! There are dozens of big buisnessman in Karachi who have made it to top from modest backgrounds. It's not so unusual in the metropolitan city of karachi if you are talented enough,

    "Speaking of NRO,MQM was the biggest beneficiary but later when they saw SC is about give verdict againt NRO,they withdrew their support.NRO told us there are more than 4000 cases against MQM and it was the biggest beneficiary of NRO."

    It was MQM who STOPPED NRO from becoming a law, had they voted in favour of it, it would now be a law and PPP would be much happier. IF there was an iota worth of truth in those cases, do you really think MQM would have done that? That just shows that MQM wants all those cases to be examined by the judiciary because it knows it is innocent and wants to prove it to the world.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 11:03 #
  45. logon,
    Liberal Karahi ko muaf kar do kionkay bechara akeel rah gaya hay baqi saray MQM kay matwalay Lal Bichoo ,Yahya and Shamwariz waghaira bhag chukay hain ...
    bechara weak wicket pe sari googlies and fast balls lay raha hay...

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 11:07 #
  46. siddiqi73
    Member

    @LiberalKarachi,

    Wow! If an MQM wala prospers and succeeds in life, it is through sheer dedication and hard work and if someone else does than that success is achieved through corruption, ill gotten wealth and wrong doings.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 11:08 #
  47. yahi khula tazad hay ;jis pe MQM ki zindagi guzar rahi hay.

    betho London mein ,baat karo middle class ki ...

    betho feudal ki goud mein,baat karo anti feudal philosophy ki ....

    baat karo insaaf ki ,begunhaon ka khun kartay phiro.

    baat karo ghareebon ki ,un se bhatta bhi mangtay raho....

    women rape bhi kartay raho ,peer sayien bhi banay raho...

    wah jee wah kiya baat hay MQM ki ...

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 11:18 #
  48. siddiqi73
    Member

    Baat karo mehnat karnay kee...aur khud karo haram khoree

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 11:33 #
  49. MQM haram nahin khati ,kioknay MQM kay liye sub kuch halal hay ...
    as MQM is the 'Vulture Bird ' in Pakistani politics .

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 11:47 #
  50. Please guys discuss this funny title of the thread which is all about PTI shadow cabinet. Pakistan's literacy rate is around 25% and America's literacy rate is 100%. I think not more than 1% Americans know what is a shadow cabinet let alone how it works. Who is Imran trying to fool?

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 May 2010 13:23 #

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