Qadiyani's are considered non-muslims, but what about ismailies, bohras, shias, and sufis?
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Qadiyani's are considered non-muslims, what about?
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nagatorpun
MemberPosted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 7:27 # -
sasherwani
Members...and sunnis :)
This thread needs to be moved to Faith & Religion section!
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 7:29 # -
pakitruthseeker
BlockedFor Deobandis: Barelvis, Shias, Ahl-e-Hadith, and others are 'Gumrah' some hardliners (Taliban, SSP or Jaish-e-Mohammad) even declare people belonging to other sect as Kafir !
For Barelvis: Deobandis, Shias, Ahl-e-Hadith, and others are 'Gumrah' some hardliners (Sunni Tehreek) even declare people belonging to other sect as Kafir !
For Shias: Deobandis, Barelvis, Ahl-e-Hadith, and others are 'Gumrah' some hardliners (Sipah-e-Mohammad) even declare people belonging to other sect as Kafir !
This list goes on and on ad infinitum !!!!!!
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 7:36 # -
ali-pk
Memberany group which doesn't believe in the finality of prophethood is out of the fold of Islam.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 7:42 # -
zia m
MemberReligion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion....Steven Weinberg (shared nobel prize in physics with Abdus Salam).
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 7:51 # -
ali-pk
Member@zia m
that's one of the most stupid quotes i have ever heard.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:00 # -
Bilal Tarar
Memberstotally agree with ali-pk
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:02 # -
Ziam
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion....Steven
Islam is not a religion it's a way of Life Kid.
and religion like Christianity and Judaism is pure example for changing the laws of Allah and Making them according to their desires
Why?????????
Religion is an insult to human dignity
because human dignity wishes to follow Satan.
That's way the follower of Satan always write
Religion is an insult to dignity
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:06 # -
yahya
MemberDoes this help?
In an interview with the AP, the director-general of Sipah-e-Sahaba, Hamid Hussain Dehlo, denied working with other militant organizations, insisting his group's only agenda "is to fight against Shiite Muslims who are the worst kafirs in the whole universe," referring to Shiites by the Arab word for "nonbeliever."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jOHvj0_e3uNNjCI1eRdRhTNRSe9AD9FHBDGG0
fatwas on other sects also available...
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:11 # -
pakitruthseeker
BlockedDeoband's Fatwa against Dr. Zakir Naik !
"(Fatwa: 1541/1322=B/1429)
The statements made by Dr Zakir Naik indicate that he is a preacher of Ghair Muqallidin, he is of free mind and does not wear Islamic dress. One should not rely upon his speeches.
Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) Knows BestDarul Ifta, Darul Uloom Deoband "
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:16 # -
ajhons
MemberShia Kafir, Qadyani Kafir, Sunni Kafir, Zakir Naik Kafir.
Deobandi Kafir, Barailvi Kafir.Aray bhai Hum qiayamat k rooz Nabi ko kia moon dikhain gay.
Someone rightly said about Muslims
"Worst followers of THE BEST PROPHET(PBUH)"
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:24 # -
ali-pk
Memberwhoever does illegitimate takfir will surely be answerable to Allah Swt'.It's the state job and not any individuals or groups. but this dosen't give any justification to defend a group which doesn't believe in the finality of Prophet-hood.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:24 # -
pakitruthseeker
BlockedJamia Binori Fatwa on Dr Israr
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:34 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@zia m: DEEN is not an insult. Secularism is an insult to human dignity.
Secularism doesn't give people a way of life whereby humans can live to attain dignity. It shows them a path through which they can openly commit crimes which takes them to a level of no return. At which time, they are so indebted to Zionists/Unjust Jews, that they become eternal slaves to them.
Secularism has made people sideline/abandon that path. What's the result ? Most of the people who follow secularism in the world are drowning in debt to Zionists/Unjust Jews. They will become slaves of Jews because of the debt they owe to them.
DEEN is the perfect! path towards human dignity. It is DEEN which shows the correct path to attaining dignity.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:37 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I see no purpose of this thread other than to promote sectarian hate.
I request this thread be closed and deleted before it sparks more hate.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:40 # -
pakitruthseeker
BlockedIt was secularism which allowed scietific progress in Europe !
It was religion which stopped scietific progress in muslim world !Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:41 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
BS!. The progress you are talking about has come at a price of quadrillions of $$$ of debt for those in the west that went along with it, that is still growing!.
The progress you see in the west came on the basis of a financial system where-by people could attain stuff when they had no money, nothing of worth to buy stuff with.
That is called fraud, not scientific progress.
It has landed them into eternal slavery of Zionists/Jews, since they can't payback the debt they owe to them as a result.
Islam gives a financial system, whereby people who have the money can buy stuff. Those who don't, can't. So things remain sane in the society.
In the west, people could buy anything and everything even if they had no money to pay for it.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:44 # -
pakitruthseeker
BlockedIt was secularism which allowed scietific progress in Europe !
It was religion which stopped scietific progress in muslim world !Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:45 # -
pakitruthseeker
BlockedIt was secularism which allowed scietific progress in Europe !
It was religion which stopped scietific progress in muslim world !Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:46 # -
Pakitruthseeker
It was religion which stopped scientific progress in muslim world !
It was the Islam which gave u a respect, look at ur Past,
The Poors Arab how they Spread the Deen of Allah in Whole world, What they ??? Nothing in their Pockets
But when they Left Islam, Allah left them
So Islam is way of Life, not a religion
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:46 # -
ali-pk
Member@pakitruthseeker
You can keep posting these fatwas by individuals/groups, these types of fatwas have no value. and right now i don't want to go into the fatwas by jamiabinoria.I repeat , still this doesn't justify defending a group which doesn't believe in the finality of Prophet-hood.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:48 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@pakitruthseeker: Look at western media today, especially the alternate media.
They are talking about 'stopping print of paper money'. They say, this paper money is not worth the paper it is printed on. This paper money was/is the base of their! progress.
You can't call it progress. Why ? Because this progress doesn't come at the price of;
(1) quadrillions! of $$$ of debt, they owe to
(2) eternal slavery toZionists/Unjust Jews.
Look deeper!. DEEN helped us by saving us from slavery of Jews. Debt based slavery on which interest is so high that it can never be re-paid.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:56 # -
zia m
MemberInternet is where religions come to die.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:57 # -
ali-pk
Member@Zia m
and who's quote is that? Lol
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 8:59 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@zia m: O, so now you'r going to wander off to another 'notion' to justify your unjustifiable claim(s), eh ?
DEEN ? Die off ? Empires, Kings, Civilizations have come and gone. DEEN has never died.
Internet is a man made product. DEEN is the word of ALLAH ALMIGHTY. You think word of ALLAH ALMIGHTY will die in comparison to one man made product ? You are more delusional than I would admit.
I see DEEN spreading like a flame all around the world :-). Why ? Because, it has ALL! the answers to the deepest questions of mankind, today.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:02 # -
zia m
MemberBy Religion, i mean dogmatic intolerant extremists views.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:04 # -
intolerant extremists views.
A muslim should be extremists in his view about defending the Deen of Allah
otherwise the satan will show no pity
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:09 # -
hkbajwa
MemberWell i agree that there has been no greater destructive force in human history that organized religion.
However there is a distinct difference between religion and faith. Man functions better without religion, but he cannot function at all without faith.
Anyhow the stupidity that consumes so many people whereby they consider it their right to pass judgement on the belief of another human is what causes religious strife int he first place.
Faith should be promoted an religion banned. People should be given allt he tools to explore their spirituality, but mullahs/pastors/pundits/priests/swamis etc etc should all be completely banned.
faith is a way of life.. it is when it becomes a way of earning your living that it becomes corrupted by vested intersts.. And no religion is immune to the cancer of a power hungry clergy.
In islam there is no concept of a clergy, and yet we deviate from islam by giving higher priority to the murderous mullahs. Whosoever still beleives that islam has no clergy, really needs to take a look at the undeserved amount of power our crooked maulvis and maulanas and mullahs have
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:11 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@zia m: Ok, so you can say others's views are 'dogmatic', you can disrespect others's views and get away with it, because the admin of this site also supports secularism. Yet others will get banned or silenced for the same, even when the concept given by secularism has been proven wrong ?
I'm sorry. The people who you call 'intolerant extremists', their views are defeating secularism in more ways than one.
Secularism is the belief of followers (Zionists/Unjust Jews) of 'Dajjal' (AntiChrist). They propagate secularism all around the world on the basis of their 'material progress'.
In attaining that material progress, secularism has destroyed;
(1) dignity of mankind in more ways than one
(2) dignified principles like kindness, honesty, justice, bravery, self reliance
(3) love and replaced it with uncontrolled lust
(4) family values and replaced with it endless greed of materials/stuff to get, even when one can't afford it
(5) etc etcPosted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:13 # -
hkbajwa
Member@ psycho
The absence of mercy and tolerance that you show, indicate to me that you in reality worship Satan rather than an all-powerful, all-forgiving, all-knowing and merciful God.
Just because you label your aggression and violence as "islamic" does not make it any less of a tool of satan.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:14 # -
hkbajwa
MemberQUOTE HK:
In attaining that material progress, secularism has destroyed dignified principles like kindness, honesty, justice, bravery, self reliance. It has destroyed love and replaced it with uncontrolled lust.
/QUOTE
i can see the kindness honesty bravery and self reliance simply overflowing in all muslim countries no??
Secularism is the absence of judgement on another's faith. It is no more and no less.
You say it has replaced love with uncontrolled lust. I would say that organized religion has replaced lust with uncontrolled anger. As far as i am concerned, i would rather have lust than anger. at least lust is limited to the individual. anger on the other hand leaves only scars on the universe
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:20 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@hkbajwa: There's an answer for each and every claim that you have made in your posts above.
You may be succeed in misleading those who are unaware of Islam's teachings. You fail with those who are aware of Islam's teachings.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:22 # -
zia m
MemberHK,
It is a fact that the religions are dogmatic.Your denying does not make a bit of difference.Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:26 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@zia m: When it comes to Islam, its not a fact. Its fiction.
I don't have the time to explain to you, how or why what your saying is incorrect. I'm engulfed by too much work.
Even if I don't prove it to you, events as they unfold in the world combined with knowledge of history, will show you reality on its own.
I'm stand firm and in support of the truth i.e., DEEN-e-Islam.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:30 # -
hkbajwa
MemberHK
get over yourself and your "unassailable religion". I am not trying to promote or communicate anything i don't believe to be true.
If you have all the fabulous answers, why don't you go ahead and give them instead of questioning my "motives". My motive is simple. I aim to banish intolerant ignorance of the sort you and people like psycho display with such pride.
And i will do it by using tools unknown to you.. the most potent of those being honesty to you and to myself.Only a thief thinks everybody is out to steal. You constant insistence that i must harbor some ulterior motive only shows that you yourself are capable of such.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:34 # -
Hq Bajwa
Kid the Problem is that u r modern man with modern thinking
and I believe for me the Holy Quran and sunnat of Prophet is enough,
and u r unaware of the danger of modernism,
I Know the modernism lead people to kuffar and waged war against the Law of Allah
I am extremist about my Deen, People are changing the Law of Allah
the best Example which can i give u is
""Qadiniat" a British base propaganda,
and u r deadly in this trap?????
Do some research???
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:35 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@hkbajwa: O I know that which you claim to believe in, is not correct. I also know you'r trying to dominate others by spreading wrong information.
You give the illusion of prosperity, which is what Mr. Mirza Qadyani tried to do with Muslims in British Colonial era.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:40 # -
pakitruthseeker
Blockedhariskhan & psycho,
What would have been your religion if you were born in a Hindu family ?
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:40 # -
When the churches literally ruled society, the human drama encompassed: (a) slavery; (b) the cruel subjection of women; (c) the most savage forms of legal punishment; (d) the absurd belief that kings ruled by divine right; (e) the daily imposition of physical abuse; (f) cold heartlessness for the sufferings of the poor; as well as (g) assorted pogroms ('ethnic cleansing' wars) between rival religions, capital punishment for literally hundreds of offenses, and countless other daily imposed moral outrages. . . . It was the free-thinking, challenging work by people of conscience, who almost invariably had to defy the religious and political status quo of their times, that brought us out of such darkness." Steve Allen
I guess everything can be rebranded for marketing. Old wine in new bottle is ok to buy now.
"The most important thing is not to stop questioning." Albert EinsteinPosted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:41 # -
pakitruthseeke
The problem is that every man is born on Islam, the True way of Life,
But their parents make them Hindu, Chiristain, and Jews
Correct ur statement kid,
and do some research,,
Everyone is born Muslim
We don't born Hindu, we born as muslim, and Allah has built every heart with truth, but most of People go away from his path
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:43 # -
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal
Gojra, guri shahu, babri mosue, gujrat etcPosted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:45 # -
zia m
MemberPosted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:46 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@lota6177: Yes, it has been re-branded, but not by Islam.
When you go through revolutions that have happened in the non-Muslim world, you will note this 're-branding' taking place after each and every revolution.
Islam, its teachings, its guidelines, its principles, its ways have remained the same for over 1400 years. ALLAH ALMIGHTY has promised it will remain the same, untill ALLAH ALMIGHTY chooses to remove it from this world HIMSELF.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:48 # -
Ziam
What religion the western world owes, only the interpretation by fool people like priests
So they can easily make their religion dead already, so need not to present the picture,
they are living dead
Lota
When the churches literally ruled society
Who change their rules, The jews got the credit in the late 16th century
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:50 # -
For me the difference of something being a myth or religion is the thing we call faith. Myth becomes religion when we have faith.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:52 # -
pakitruthseeker
Blockedpsycho,
"The problem is that every man is born on Islam, the True way of Life,
But their parents make them Hindu, Chiristain, and Jews"Good, so it was your parents who made you muslim becoz if your parents were Hindus you would have been a Hindu too !!!
Now tell me how can you be different or supperior to a Hindu, who is Hindu just becoz of his/her parents ???Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:53 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@lota6177: That is because you see bad all around you, yet there's no one with the courage to speak up the truth.
Not because DEEN-e-Islam has changed its teachings, ways, principles.
Remember!, justice is blind in non-Muslim world. In Islam, justice is not! blind.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:54 # -
pakitruthseeker
Blockedhariskhan,
~~~Islam, its teachings, its guidelines, its principles, its ways have remained the same for over 1400 years. ~~~
Then why there are dozens of sects and sub-sects in Islam ?
Why can't Muslim be one ?
Why every sect considers itself on right path and others as deviant or 'Gumrah' ???Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 9:57 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@pakitruthseeker: You are repeating same questions over and over again.
These questions have already been answered over and over again.
Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 10:03 # -
zia m
MemberHK,
One must feel very insecure to have apostasy law.Posted 1 year ago on 02 Jun 2010 10:04 #
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