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Quaid-e-Azam was a shia

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  1. SAR

    quaid-e-azam was a khoja shia as proven by the following pics and video. his namaz-e-janazah was held according to shia traditions and an Alam can be seen with his coffin...
    this fact has been distorted by some people and during zia-ul-haq's regime, publication of such pics was banned

    the reason for sharing this is not to offend anyone. a few days back i saw a post by some ignorant guy ridiculing shia beliefs saying that shias worship horses. shias take out juloos in the month of muharrum to commmemorate the sacrifice of ahl-e-bait (household of prophet (saw)). and shias are not alone in doing this. a lot of sunni brothers take part too (some shuhada of the ashura blast were sunnis including the child and niece of GEO tv's anchor fahim siddiqui)

    do some research before posting some non sense

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Jinnah#Illness_and_death

    http://kashifiat.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/quaid-e-azam-funeral.jpg

    http://thepakpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Funeral-of-Quaid-e-Azam.jpg

    http://therepublicofrumi.com/images/jinnah_funeral3.jpg

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 13:23 #
  2. SAR

    and u can also see the Alam in the vdo

    try to find out yourself why shia's hold the alam as sacred, and why they take zuljanah's (referred as horses in the ignorant guy's post) and taazias.
    research about the flag of islam which was the identity of muslims on the battle fields (when they fought against the enemies of islam) and elsewhere
    who was given that flag after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saw)?

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 13:27 #
  3. Rizvi Sahib, it's even been worse of late. On one thread, it was affirmed that Shias followed neither the Quran, nor the Prophet (PBUH), the sunna, or the hadith. In fact they were not even followers of Hazrat Ali, but of some other Ali no one had ever heard of. But who cares? Pakistani Sunnis and Shias (plus Christians, Hindus, and all other groups of thought) have lived in peace and harmony for decades. Once our present troubles are over, we shall return to our ways of natural live and let live tolerance.

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 13:35 #
  4. SAR

    MG, i missed that thread.
    aaj kal tou her koi islam ka thekay daar bana baitha hai, apnay girehbaan mein jhaanknay ki fursat he nahin milti.

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 13:48 #
  5. Salam

    shia is a classical issue, no classical scholar called them as non-muslims... many bad practices exist both in sunni & shia

    Jinnah was an Ismaili Shia, ismaili is further a sect inside mainstream shia...

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 13:53 #
  6. i also wanted to ask about Liaqat Ali Khan....ppl say he too was a shia but i read somewhere he belonged to a sunni sect...

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 13:57 #
  7. shimatoree

    I fail to see the significance whether M A Jinnah was Shia or Sunni or for that matter a Christian or a Jew.

    The FACT is that he was an honest man of great ability , character, integrity and was incorruptible leader.

    These qualities have nothing to do with what religion someone is or is not.

    Zardari or BB are also Shia but what else do they have in common with Jinnah.

    Musharraf and Nawaz Shareef are Sunni but what other qualities of Jinnah do they have ?

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 14:02 #
  8. nothing wrong....just asked it out of curiosty...ofcourse Jinnah was far much better than Nawaz nd Mushy so was Liaqat Ali Khan...

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 14:12 #
  9. SAR

    @shimatoree
    exactly. u r right. it doesnt make a difference
    but i told u the reason why i posted all this.
    may be sharing these facts would shut him (the ignorant guy who ridiculed shia beliefs) up from posting non-sense in respect for the founder of nation only, who made pakistan not for shias but for muslims.

    i had no intention to offend anyone

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 14:22 #
  10. SAR

    @salam
    no, he was a khoja...and if i m not wrong khoja's are people whose ancestors were hindu but converted to shia islam

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 14:25 #
  11. SAR

    @moderators
    please keep it in the social and cultural category
    we are not discussing faith and religion as such!

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 14:27 #
  12. shimatoree, got it right too. What counts is do you know whether you have a soul or not. And whether you are in anyway in touch with that most precious thing in mankind.

    Also, so glad to hear so much support for Shias here. For once no sectarian cursing and bickering and backbiting and sending to hellfires, etc.

    Just wait until the real thekey daar turn up, the ones with a smattering of theology to borrow from. They'll make mincemeat of us all.

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 14:30 #
  13. Salam

    jinnah was another example where people got united under banner of islam irrespective of shia/sunni

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 14:43 #
  14. Not Possible

    Just to clarify, Khoja are Istna Asharia shias, the regular main stream belief, some were converts from memons mostly from Ismaeilis or Aga Khani. The Khoja is an ethnic identity just like memon is and both are orignaly gujrati.

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 15:36 #
  15. SAR

    i m unhappy with the moderators for putting this topic in the faith and religion category. please put it back in the social and cultural category

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 16:40 #
  16. shimatoree

    SAR Rizvi

    I agree with your complaint.

    It seems that such decisions to " BANISH" topics of INTENSE interest are just arbitrary.

    However it is my understanding that the moderators do not change their minds very often.

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 19:47 #
  17. Just be patient. As I did myself not so long ago, soon people will realise this is the most interesting section on pkpolitics.

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 19:54 #
  18. SufiSoul

    MG,

    Some people say if HE was alive Pakistan would be rightly put over right way.but i say when he cannot manage his own house how it was possible for him to guide Pakistan over right way.....lol

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 23:08 #
  19. ...but i say when he cannot manage his own house how it was possible for him to guide Pakistan over right way.....lol

    care to clarify what do you mean by MANAGE HIS OWN HOUSE......

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 23:14 #
  20. SufiSoul

    lolzzz

    search for yourself my dear..Active your brain for some time time dear..You will get what i mean....

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 23:18 #
  21. No, you need to activate your brain if you have one!!!!!

    I asked what do you mean by 'managing his own house' .......

    Posted 3 years ago on 18 Jul 2010 23:56 #
  22. SufiSoul

    Is Sadgi pe Kon Na Mar Jaye Ae Khuda...

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 0:32 #
  23. Not Possible

    My apologies I forgot that besides the lol (this) and lol (that) wahabi protocol also has the cheap word "Dear"

    yes Mr Zionist/wahabi sufsould keep on exposing yourself more here, You have jniw ideal how much you are exoposing your pathetic Wahabi Fitna do you? do you? lol..

    Protocol points 1,2,3 used here

    Wahabi protocol here

    1.dont refute logic for wahabis have no logic
    2.Be abusive, above all be abusive and foul mouthed
    3.write lol (this) lol (that)
    4."I haven’t even begun yet"
    5."Dont run away"
    6."go do some research" (I am the most unique new wahabi on the block all my arguments are new and original and I will copy paste by the dozens from my fabricated books.)
    7.If all this doesn’t work change topic and bring another useless one, dont asnwere the topic at hand, try to distract to another issue and run away yourself.
    8.Dont bring any constructive issue in Islam just spread fitna to divide the ummah

    1.again an illogical blurt form the wahabi
    2.abusing the QuaideAzam you can see how low life the wahabi is and he has no purpose but to raise usless isues and fitna
    3.lol...the use of lol

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 0:43 #
  24. SAR

    sufisoul is unbelievably sick!
    jis leader k banaye huway mulk mein reh raha hai us he ko criticize ker raha hai
    man, u need to realize that he sacrificed his family life for a whole nation.... he gave up his life for the muslims of the sub-continent!!!!!

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 4:57 #
  25. SAR

    @sufisoul
    u have no idea how rightly he guided and lead the nation to freedom! he was a tuberculosis (TB) patient but he kept his illness a secret otherwise his political foes and britishers would have exploited him by dragging the fight for freedom until his death so that muslims would give up!

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 5:05 #
  26. SufiSoul, thanks for message. But that bit about the Quaid-e-Azam did puzzle me somewhat. Admittedly, I'm no specialist on his biography. Were you implying loose morals on his part? Or did you mean because he was a Shia?

    All I know about him for sure is he was a statesman of impeccable integrity. And I for one am infinitely grateful to him for having given us the Nation of Pakistan, whatever sad conditions we may be living in today.

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 8:14 #
  27. People don't mind what Sufi Soul says, he is just being loyal to his Congressi fatwa farosh maulvi's who declared Quaid-e-Azam as a Kafir/Murtid...

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 8:21 #
  28. gv

    @mg

    i think he is referring to his poor (estranged) relationship with Ruttie Jinnah as well as the fact that Dina (his daughter) married Neville Wadia (a Parsi) against his wishes.

    Their son Nusli became a christian and then converted back to Zorastrianism

    i suppose all that tends to irk some people.

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 9:46 #
  29. gv

    @all

    While I am personally a fan of Mr. Jinnah and believe that it is uncouth to criticise the personal affairs of any political leader - I do thnk we should be allowed to objectively criticise any leader's political character and performance - be it Jinnah, Liaquat Ali Khan or Asif Zardari.

    No one is perfect and it is childish to expect them to be so - but it is equally childish to blindly hero worship leaders without realising their weaknesses and flaws...

    In a benign form it takes the shape of jinnah idolizing which is a major theme in our society while a more repugnant version is the Altaf Hussain personality cult which our MQM brothers tend to belong to.

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 9:52 #
  30. Falcon005

  31. gv, thanks for clearing that up, about Jinnah's personal life. Also about hero worshipping leaders is wrong, I agree. But the Quaid-e-Azam, who was then either run down or ignored for decades, is now coming back into the limelight. Compared to present governance, he was indeed a saint. Something one has to cling on to to make the struggle worthwhile. Otherwise it's defeat before one even starts.

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 11:04 #
  32. SAR

    @gv
    jinnah wasnt an ordinary political leader
    he is the founder of our nation and his personality commands respect
    critisism is ok if its productive. but obviously here it was not , and it was done in a disrespectful way.

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 13:27 #
  33. gv

    @sar Rizvi

    you cannot make holy cows out of people it sets an unhealthy precedent - if you read my post i already said that personal affairs should be sacrosanct -

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 14:06 #
  34. SAR

    no one made anyone a holy cow here!

    i repeat
    "jinnah wasnt an ordinary political leader
    he is the FOUNDER OF OUR NATION (who liberated the muslims of the sub continent) and his personality commands respect
    CRITISISM IS OK if its productive. but obviously HERE IT WAS NOT , and it was done in a disrespectful way."

    Posted 3 years ago on 19 Jul 2010 15:16 #

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