Racist attitude from ANP once again.

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Racist attitude from ANP once again.

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ilovekarachi
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http://express.com.pk/images/NP_KHI/20100227/Sub_Images/1100868338-2.gif

Supporter of terrorists and criminal in Karachi showed their true colors. These guys are using racism just to gain popularity among pashtons.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 2:22 #
expakistani
Member

I am urdu speaking and proud to be a Mohajir but i fully agree with ANP's minster.... Urdu is most common language but we just cant call it "only national language" of Pakistan.

Pashotto, punjabi sindhi brohi seraiki sindhi all are our national languages, and those languages should be given proper and equivalent rights as national langue ....bcz of urdu our regional languages are loosing charm and popularity which is not good.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 3:44 #
ilovekarachi
Member

Are you 62 years old. If not how come you are mohajir? Jhoot na bolain plz.

Kindly name some countries with 15 or 16 national languages.
There are some 15 20 regional languages spoken in Pakistan, it would be insanity to promote all of them, this would further divide the country.

This would actually mean that if in future somebody from Punjab or Sindh has to settle in NWFP for any reason, their children will be forced to take lecture in Pushto(which is kind of happening right now).

Kindly be reasonable.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 4:00 #
RajputPuttar
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ilovekarachi

india has around 25 national languages.

According to studies, the best medium education is mother tongue.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 4:29 #
time
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Why are they saying urdu is language of communication. After certain level English becomes communication language be it official communication in public or private offices, communication in courts or in educational institutions.

I 'd like to keep status quo on languages English as communication, Urdu as national and rest as regional languages ... Why fix somethin if it aint broke?

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 4:35 #
ilovekarachi
Member

@RajputPuttar

Please dont post false statements as facts. India doesnot have a national language, she has two official languages Hindi and English.

Also keep in mind the fact that their are atleast 8 secessionist movements in india as of today based.

references
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India
http://india.gov.in/knowindia/official_language.php

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 4:45 #
ilovekarachi
Member

Mothertongue as medium of education..

How would to teach a pakhtoon living in karachi or lahore in his/her mother tongue. Should their be pashto grammar schools or sidhi, punjabi and baluch schools are aroung the country.

This is just a racist anti-pakistan attitude by ANP there is no justification

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 4:48 #
expakistani
Member

@ilovekarachi
bhai whatever you said is in foreign language, some part i under stand and some " sar ke uepr se guzar gai" now if you have said same thing in urdu ..i would have fully understand.

so same logic applies on URDU, URDU is foregin langauge for pashotons, sindhis balochies etc....you and me cant forced them to learn or understand urdu...but we can surely promote urdu without hurting value and importance of regional languages....

P A K I S T A N is suppose to be United islamic states unfortunately humharey buzorgon ne pakistan ko artificially ( Genetic Engineering ) ke zarye republic bana dia....

i see no harm if provisional governments are trying to preserve regional languages..dont force people to learn urdu if they dont want...that will create hate and sense of colonialism.

Allah ke kasam i am not 62, and still Mohajir or jhoot nhi bolta main

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:13 #
toamin
member

ilovekarachi your first phrase "Supporter of terrorists and criminal" speaks about your bias toward MQM because ANP is fighting the so called american war on terror in their own province, only MQMized use this phrase because they hate the resistance from pushtoons in karachi.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:18 #
expakistani
Member

@Salam
i support MQM but dont hate pastoons in karachi... my problem is that if they are living in karachi please buy land... dont try to occupy it on gun point ( land mafia ), not only pashtoon but even urdu speaking, punjabi speaking land grabbers ka kuch hon chahey yaar

kabhi sorabh got, ladni kotal or banaras ja ker dekho ke tarha land grabing ke hoi hey .....

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:26 #
toamin
member

expakistani

sure, your statement is well balanced meaning not isolating one party as the sole cause of problem.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:32 #
msyedh1
Member

Well it is true, that national language is that which is spoken majority population of that country, i don't think that majority of pakistan is speaking urdu language, however we can call it national official language of pakistan because in majority of offices and schools urdu is used as national language.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:35 #
ilovekarachi
Member

@expakistani

Mayray bhai.. There is hardly .. ops .. pakistan mai shayad hee koi aysa hu jis ko urdu na sumhaj ati hu.

May nahi keh raha k urdu ko zabardasti enforce karo. Mai yeh keh raha hun k aik min k liyay socho .. example karachi mai 20 25 lakh patahn rehtay hain agar unn ko hum sindhi mai zabardasti laga dain tu kaysa rahay ga.

Like enforcing sindhi in our institutions which would be perfectly legitimate under this demand of ANP tht everone shud have their own national lang.

we need to have one national language just like we need to have one national flag, one national anthem so on and so forth.. these bind us together.. otherwise you will soon hear people saying each province shud have their own national flag too.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:36 #
toamin
member

the problem is making non-issue an issue, these corrupt politicians are champions of deception, they keep on opening up fake issues to keep people defocused from their incompetence

but what is more sad is our people wasting time on these non-issues thus making this as success story for people like bilour-

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:39 #
toamin
member

ilovekarachi

urdu karachi walon ko hee ati hay... kabhi zara niclo lalukhait say bahar aur jao peshawar and see if you can explain rakshaw wala where you want to go :)

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:41 #
ilovekarachi
Member

:) ... But mujh ko pashto nahi aati .. i think then i shudnt go to peshawar ever

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:42 #
toamin
member

exactly!

even math, physics or chemistry are explained in pushto even though syllabus is in english, even urdu is explained in pushto

so please do not generalize your lalukhait over whole country, go and visit different areas of pakistan -plz

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:44 #
ilovekarachi
Member

For your information mister I have been all over pakistan.. worked in isb for years.. never had prob with pathans or punjabis over the issue of language .. they all speak urdu ....

I dont know where are getting this nonsense .. have seen interviews of people belonging to the remotest parts of tribal area on tv they talk in urdu too...

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:49 #
expakistani
Member

@ilovekarachi

dekha bhai... tum ney mohbat se urdu main baat samjhai ...pori ke pori samjh agai, kion ke urdu main thi. or mera or aap ka communication medium Urdu hey...guys from ANP are not worry about National Language but they are worry about pashtoo language .... slowly woh khatam ho rhi hey and we need to promote pashtoo as well as urdu.

Ab jo Pathan Karachi main hain woh khod apni communication medium dhoond lain gey...
Aaj kal humharey bachey English zayda boltey hain sekhtey hain, bcz we have culture of English medium...
kia hum apni regional languages ko bardasht nhi ker saktey?

kabhi aap ney socha karachi main gujarati ( memoni ) bolney waley ketney log rhey gaye hain? bohat kaam esey hi humhari dossri langugaes bhi bas khatam hoti ja rhi hain...

har cheez main Racist attitude na dekho ...kabhi koi valid point bhi hota hey...dosrey ka view point bhi dekho.

ok here is question for you.....

expakistani stands for what????

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:54 #
toamin
member

you think an urdu channel would invite someone who can't speak urdu? lolzz

i am telling you to go to peshawar CITY and when you get off the bus stand speak with rackshaw driver to tell him where you want to go in urdu

smaller cities and villages have higher ration of non-urdu
i am saying based on my personal experience, the difficulty i face myself :)

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:54 #
toamin
member

lolz@ expakistani

by default it means bhagora pakistani ;)

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 5:56 #
expakistani
Member

no wonder aap ko rizwan bana ker janat se bhar rakha gia... ander hotey to bohat gand daltey. : )

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 6:10 #
ilovekarachi
Member

@expakistani
Mayray bhai app musla sumjahay hee..
pathan karachi mai apni communation medium dhond tu lain gay magar communication language ki bat hee nahi horahi..

Yahan national language ki baat hurahi hai medium of communication ki baat nahi hurahi..

Agar aaj aap declare kur dain k nwfp ki national lang pashto hai then it wud be perfectly legal to enforce tht in nwfp's institutions and that would mean no non-pashto spekaing can work or study there....

i am not sure why you arnt able to understand a simple logic .. to have unity in pakistan you need to have some common grounds... urdu is one of tht

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 6:14 #
toamin
member

expakistani

lolzz

neela gatha zindabad :)

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 6:19 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I agree with Salam. ANP people have done nothing. Neither they;

(1) govern
(2) act
(3) deliver

for the people of NWFP, for the people they represent of Karachi.

Now that they have nothing to show off, for their 2+ years in power, they are cooking up these kinds of things to keep people divided, busy in nonsense.

There's nothing more to it.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 6:51 #
Fahim23
Member

Agreed with most of what expakistani has said. Urdu certainly is a medium of communication and it is likely to remain so. However, getting primary education in mother tongue is the most effective way to educate our young minds.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 6:55 #
junaid
Member

Karachi is a multicultural place. stop this cultural misunderstandings, cultivated by the people who were bestowed shelters by sindhis. people should acknowledge and respect our pashtoon brothers.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 6:58 #
Anonymous

Pakistan needs Unity at this point of time and at this time language plays a vital role in Unity and Urdu language is very essential for Unity with in Pakistan. I know that what ANP is saying is right but but at this time its not implementable because this will divide Pakistan further as every province speaking their own language and that language will also influence their accent of speaking Urdu and will create huge problem of communications.....Pashtun still speak Pashtu more then Urdu and their accent of speaking Urdu is also different from others most of Pashtuns speak "toti photi Urdu" at this point of time after implementing Pashtu they wont be able to speak Urdu any more....

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 7:41 #
Anonymous

MQM's answer to ANP's Bashir Ahmad Balour...

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:15 #
toamin
member

what do you mean by " at this time language plays a vital role in Unity and Urdu language is very essential for Unity with in Pakistan."

kabhi androon sindh hee chakar laga lo aur dekho urdu language kia role play karti hay :)

it is the ideology of islam that brought all different people together under one banner, not urdu language -remember that

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:22 #
pappu
Member

it is the ideology of islam that brought all different people together under one banner, not urdu language -remember that
so does this mean we speak arabic now? Even arabic has words from other languages in it. The job of language is to communicate. We should speak English because the most knowledge is in that language as of now.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:28 #
toamin
member

pappu

urdu or arabic or english or persian all are foreign languages for most of people in pakistan, but ideology of islam is the only common factor in all muslims of pakistan

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:31 #
pappu
Member

there are like 100 different sects of muslims with each having a different color of turban. people who walk around green, black, white turbans practice religion differently. Everyone practices islam differently in every muslim country. There is no common factor anywhere.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:33 #
Anonymous

@Salam

Interior Sindh mai log Urdu samjhtay aur boltay hain aur un ka business bhi Urdu ki hi base pay chalta hai.....meri family ka pora business interior Sindh mai hai aur mainay apni ankho say dekha hai wahan ki situation....wahan sirf Sindhi nationalists ko problem hai Urdu say warna wahan pay kisi ko koi problem nahi hai Urdu say....BTW un ki apni leader BB ki Urdu Sindhi say ziada behter thi app iss k baray mai kia kaho gay???

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:36 #
toamin
member

if color of cloth is your base to define people as sect then i guess we have like 170 million sects in pakistan, what kind of logic is that?

plz stay on topic and don't derail it to religious debate, even your secular class is divided on each step & rule but that is another debate

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:37 #
toamin
member

yahya

interior sindh, where?

everyone except karachi speak toti photi urdu

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:39 #
pappu
Member

you are the one who is injecting religion in a topic about language. You are right this is not a debate about religion. Religion has nothing to do with language.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:39 #
Anonymous

@Salam

I think you have problem understanding my post about Urdu is ESSENTIAL for Unity for Pakistan....I cant deny Islamic ideology as Pakistan was created for muslims of subcontinent but still their are so many sects. and many of them are oriented to ethnicity as well...E

Most Pashtuns are Sunni and are related to deoband sects..
Most Hazaras are Shia 12er
Most Baluch are also Sunni
Most Gilgities are also Shia12er
Most memons are Sunni Ahl-e-Sunna

So still their are some differences left in Islamic ideology as well and Urdu is playing role of tool for joining them together...

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:46 #
Anonymous

@Salam

Thta, Badin, Mirpurkhas...These three areas my relatives have businesses and in Thata and Badin they have poultry farm while in Mirpurkhas they are traders...

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:49 #
toamin
member

yahya

tell me if pakistan movement was a call for urdu language or call for la ilaha illalah?

i am not having difficulty understanding your post, i think it is you who is forgetting your own history!

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:51 #
toamin
member

yahya

further to previous post, i do not know about mirpurkhas or thatha but i can surely tell you about punjab & pakhtunkhawah, there is no such thing as urdu language for unity, yea it is education language for elementary level but medium to higher level education is all in english?

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 8:54 #
Anonymous

@Salam

Remember Allama Iqbal's revolutionary poetries as most of them were in Urdu...infact most of Pakistan movement was in Urdu and Bangali...so claiming about Pakistani movement have no role of Urdu is totally wrong and yes Islam was the reason for Pakistan but Urdu was the tool to promote Pakistan ideology....Ok as you told me about Punjab and Pakhtunkwa then tell me when Punjabi and Pakhtun communicate with each other what language they use??

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 9:04 #
toamin
member

right, islam was the binding factor for urdu, bengali, punjabi, sindhi, kashmiri, seraiki, pushto, balochi that is why they annexed with pakistan.

of course a punjabi if he has to speak to a pushtoon then they would speak in language that they think is urdu but for a karachi wala like you it would be a joke :)

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 9:08 #
Anonymous

@Salam

as you said when Punjabi speaking to Pashtun he would use Urdu and thats what I was saying that Urdu is very essential for Unity of Pakistan that you misunderstood...Of course if Pastun speaking to pashtun he would definately use Pashtu but when he is speaking to non Pashtun he will use Urdu right???even Wali Khan of ANP also favored Urdu as a national language why???Urdu language has a huge importance that cant be ignored as in South Asia majority of people can at least understand Urdu...even Bollywood Urdu mixed with Hindi(real Hindi is very different from the language use in Bollywood)...

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 9:24 #
toamin
member

i didn't misunderstand that point, but i think my point was misunderstood because this has been practice since the times of moghuls right or it only started after 1947?

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 9:28 #
Anonymous

@Salam

Yes this has been practice since the times of Mughal but tell me if we dont use Urdu can we communicate with other Muslims in Pakistan???Yes Islam is the MOST IMPORTANT Unity factor but Urdu is also ESSENTIAL in Unity of Pakistan....

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 9:33 #
toamin
member

i do not have any problem with urdu language, sure it can be federal language or provincial language

i was just trying to say that the unity factor from historic perspective has been our common belief system while urdu is agreed upon common language.

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 9:37 #
Anonymous

@Salam

historically Islam has played its role as a common believe but if you look at current scenario Islam is also becoming the reason of conflicts like sectarian violence, difference of opinion between many sect. over sharia law, hardcore belefs over one sect. and even at some expect ethnic associations with different sect(read my post about memons towards ahl-e-suna) so this is becoming a biggest reason for conflict that even arises between speakers of same languages in this situation I think Urdu is becoming very important for Unity...

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 9:56 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Islam is wrongfully blamed for creation of sects, for in-fighting of people who belong to these sects.

- Islam doesn't allow for sects to be created

- Islam teaches Muslims to UNITE

- Sects were created by people who want to have political power, money, resources for their personal agendas'

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 9:59 #
toamin
member

nope, that is just a propaganda brother, i wont go into that discussion as it will derail the thread but the way you are terming the difference as sect is propaganda

having difference on something is natural, even two MQM workers would have difference of opinion on something does that mean they are all divided or you want them to be all machines?

Posted 2 years ago on 27 Feb 2010 10:00 #