skyfacts
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TO ALL THE READERS,
Many of us really don't understand the complex game started here.
Now to have a through understanding of this COMPLEX GAME at just one page, in today’s Jung the article by SALEEM SAFI must be read, and u will be fully equipped to understand this GREAT GAME now, and in future.
LONG LIVE PAKISTAN
http://www.jang-group.com/jang/may2009-daily/16-05-2009/col5.htm
shamwariz
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Great article very informative...
@skyfacts
This all translates to a long term bloodshed of muslims and really boils down to the hate generated among Shia and the Sunnis both by covert and overt means. These two major sects should behave as muslims first and Shia, Sunni and others later and at any cost should never consider to side with any outsider. This allieniation to the other side thinking of them as friends, allies or what ever is the real success of anti muslim elements to keep us divided and busy fighting among ourselves. It is a shame that Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Tajiks, Uzbaks and others think of each other as enemies of one another, never realizing who are the beneficiaries of the downfall of muslims, if there is anything left to fall to.
semirza
ucsher
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Crux of the matter: JEHAD is just a blessing in disguise for geniuses like U.S, Iran, Russia, Arabs & CHINA to fulfill there own hidden agendas & a romanticism for emotional fools like Pakistan & Afghanistan
Ab bolo pehlay Pakistani hu ya Musalman?
Pehlay Pakistani qaum ko bachao gay ya UMMAT-E-MUSLIMA ko!
Pehlay apnay mulk ka asasa bano gay ya dosroon ke liay MAZHUB KEY NAAM PAR DISPOSABLE VEGETABLES?
@ucsher
A valid point here. Not so easy to answer I admit that and will try at least.
As a muslim Ummah, all muslims are united in muslim brotherhood and very clearly directed not to fight their fellow muslims.
The defence of one's country is equally important and part of muslim religion taking all muslim occupied areas as muslim Ummah as a country. Name it what ever you like but this is what Islam says as a religion.
Now coming to the reality. Most of the current muslim countries on the globe have been created or carved out of the existing muslim nation or Ummah by the colonial powers although there may be some that were not created or carved by them but still ruled or influenced by them.
In fighting of muslims is not a Jihad and muslims should develop a level of understanding enabling them to conclude who intends to use them to their benefit. They should stop being tools in the hands of non muslims by getting rid of traitors among their own ranks, as a first step.
semirza
IJay
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I am not very suprised we already know this in 1980's it was USSR againts all now its USA vs all and pakistan army is playing the same role as it played in 1980's USA ally fighting against whole world taking reward of its services in return.The only disturbing point battle ground is not afghanistan but PAKISTAN.
@semirza and ucsher:
Agree with your posts. There may be hope for the future as long as we have people like you that do not have a blinkered take on Pak's situation.
@Oriel
Thanks for your comments. Like to further add to analysis by Mr Saleem Safi.
Sikander Mirza was succeeded by General Ayub Khan. Not to blame Sikander Mirza but as far as General Ayub Khan, he had ample time on his hands to rectify the evil designs of British by negotiating a solution to the Durand Line, left over as a hot spot by the british after dividing the subcontinent.
British and later joined by the US including all the former WWII allies, are notorious in leaving hot spots all over the globe as remenents of their colonial past and for future wars and tensions so that their arms factories continue manufacturing and exporting death to the innocents. This includes, Israel, Kashmir, Pak-Afghan Durand line, Hongkong, N-S Koreas, Gibralter, Falkland Islands and if you go deep, dividing Iraq and Arabia into Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait etc.
This unmarked border has been a pain for the Pakistani authorities since the birth of Pakistan, in the form of safe haven for all sorts of criminals who sought refuge in Illaqa-i-ghair known as FATA these days. What a form of Islam was portrayed to hide and provide abode and refuge to hard core criminals wanted by law, under the disguise of guest or 'mehman'. Pakistan should have established the writ of it's government since than and not now. Because of the non existenence of proper law and order in FATA has resulted in the accumulation and establishment of such forces who are fighting the Pakistani government. Criminals have a sale value. This fact is being exploited to its fullest extent by anti Pakistan forces, and therefore they are training, arming and financing such forces labelling them as the Pakistani Taliban so that they will fight in the name of Islam and then they would be portrayed as Islamists in media tarnishing the name of Islam globaly and thus providing excuse to interfere or intervene into Pakistan.
semirza
skyfacts
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AUR AAPAS ME TAFARRUQA ME NA PARO WERNA TUM KAMHIMMAT HO JAWO GY AUR TUMHARI HUA AKAR JAYE GEE.(AL-QURAN)
VERY WELL UNDERSTANDING OF YOU ALL.
TWO POINTS HERE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.
Against Russia All the Muslim world had their share in defeating Russia and off course U.S was also behind these MUJAHIDEEN, but he was having their own interests but Muslim world was only engaged due to his brotherhood.
NOW the need of the day is we all Muslims have to UNITE again common enemy U.S.The Army, Talib in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
We should work hard for this coalition and we hope that sky will again see our unity and we will be the HEROES AGAIN.
JIS BALA SE JAAN NA CHOOTY,US KE GALY PAR JAWO.
SKYFACTS
netengr
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Finally we are comming out from denial state and accepting the reality .
Our leaders and nation used to say that there is no alqaida ,no taliban in the region its all drama etc etc .
Saleem Safi views are based on the reality ,Although he is religious person but does not have jamaati ideology like Hamid mir and Shahid Masoud .
skyfacts
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WE SHOULD LEARN THE ART OF MAKING FRIENDS NOT ENEMIES.
@semirza,
If balouchi people need a major share in their assets and things like that,
Some of the people in Pakistan adds something more like, Nifaze Shariat ,
Or some of the people have some other demands,
HOW TO DIFUSE THESE ALL DEMANDS, WHAT PROCEDURES TO BE FOLLOWED IN SUCH DIFUSING PROCESS.
IT IS ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD IN INTERNATIONAL POLITICS,
JOIN YOUR ENEMY TO FIGHT YOUE ENEMY.
BALOUCH WILL ALWAYS FIND HELP FROM YOUR ENEMIES IF YOU IGNORE THEM.
TALIBS WILL ALWAYS FIND HELP FROM YOUR ENEMY IF YOU IGNORE THIER DEMANDS.
MQM WILL ALWAYS FIND HELP FROM YOUR ENEMY IF YOU ARE AGAINST THIER DEMANDS.
DON'T BLAME YOUR PEOPLE BY ACCEPTING OUTSIDE HELP.
LOOK FOR YOUR PAST WHAT IS BIENG DELIVERED TO YOUR PEOPLE IN LAST 60 YEARS.............SIRF MEHROMIYAN....
SKYFACTS.
NNL
member
Why you people arent realising the fact that from the Conception of Pakistan and its armed forces it has become a sort of problem for everyone. During the Arab-Israeli Conflict Pakistani Pilots took part in the Air Fight and whatsoever kills in dogfights under Jordan's belt were due to them.(they went in as volunteers). Or in the 1990s durig the Balkan Wars who do u think provided the guns for the Muslims to fight off the Serbian fanatics. Pakistan Army has been at the centre of most of the Conflicts in better part of the world.
After Indira Gandhi delivered a fatal blow to Pakistan and the Army suffered ridicule Army vowed a revenge.
Revenge came in the form of Proxy wars against India in Kashmir, AP, Punjab. Pakistan Army literally defeated India and kept it wondering on how to defeat it.
A well deserved blow.
Look at the History of Pakistan till 1988 every president, PM or COAF was brought in by CIA as their previous pick turned out to be a Nationalist in the end.
Events took turn after 9/11. A event that is still unclear on why and who actually did it. The Chief conspirator was said to have been water boarded 258 times on the which American Media questioned the waterboarding technique of torture cos according to them it didnt work the first 257 times ( I wish our media was like that)
The people that Pakistan Army had invested so much in had to be terminated and disbanded as per orders of its sponsors.
Those people were then picked up by the Indian Army and are now on their payroll to take revenge from Pakistan army for its deserting them in their time of need.
Every person who was picked up by the American Forces in Afghanistan was let go when they were ready to mess up their former Puppeteers.
Why ?
Dont you think that Israelis will let go of the people who helped the Arabs to form a resistence. a better resistence. Dont think so.
@skyfacts
It is since long the rights of Baluch have not been and are not being considered even to this day. Whatever resources have been and are being taped from Baluchistan, Baluch are the one to hold prime rights, and not the central governments. Their demand is just. I fully support them but I do not support the BSO and BLA because I have known some of the elements of these groups who since long while in Russia for educational purposes, had been thoroughly brainwashed. Natural gas royalty had been paid to the late Nawab Akber Bugti on regular basis. Why he did not allow a fair share from it to his own tribe at least. Just look into the past and count how many of the Bugti Tribe had settled in and around Multan and for what reasons.
Nafazi Shariat, is another just demand but not from the right kind of people. These criminals who have been intentionally labeled by the west as Taliban has nothing to do with Islam. They are paid assasins, terrorists and definately not the Mujahideen who fought for their country, Afghanistan with the help of whoever may have been supporting them. Please do not confuse these two.
As far as MQM is concerned, I will speak from my personal experience with them. I had been their guest since some time ago and found really nice people among them. I can rightfully say that MQM is a party who boasts of having the most of the educated lot, and in a way this is true.
There had been in party fighting among MQM party factions. Lives were lost. I think, if MQM gets rid of the goon culture, which is another reality, than I bet MQM will appear as the most able party in Pakistan.
To get rid of corruption. Do not support a party on personality basis. Do not hate a party based on hearsay. Be your own judge. All parties have good and bad in them. Go for truth and reality. Do not support the corrupt. You should be able to vote them out to get rid of them.
Cannot be done because a very large majority of our public happens to be illitrate, dependent on daily wages, therefore an easy prey for our corrupt leadership.
Bully tactics among current political parties is a norm and they are supported by an army of corrupt Lawyers, Police Officer and Judiciary. To overcome such corrupt political parties very sadly calls for the same measures undertaken by the Iranian leadership who hung and still hangs corrupt and antisocial elements in public using mobile hanging platforms.
Opt for revolutionary surgery. Kill the corrupt if you can but do not go begging to the known enemies of Islam in general and Pakistan in particular, asking help and support to fight Pakistan.
semirza
skyfacts
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EVERY THING GETS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR.
Who started this game, of bieng deprived the local people from thier own homelands wealth,Yes our Pakistani establishment.
But the thier turn is over,they must have to give rights to the deprived people.Thier is no other way my dear.This is nature's demand.
Blame game against deprived people should be stopped now.
ENOGH IS ENOUGH
KHUDA PAKISTAN KI HIFAZAT KARY.
skyfacts
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YOUR THOUGHTS ARE IMPORTANT NOT LANGUAGE USED
ONE THING I MUST SAY HERE THAT SOME PEOPLE SEARCHING AND SEARCHING ALWAYS TO USE EVERY TIME NEW ENGLISH WORDS, WHICH OTHERS MADE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.
WE ARE HAVING ENGLISH HERE AS A SECOND LANGUAGE OR THIRD MAY BE,SO IT MUST ALSO BE TREATED LIKE THAT,THATS WHY WE ARE LOSING HERE MANY PEOPLE'S VIEW WHICH HAVE ENGLISH AS THIER FOURTH LANGUAGE.
COMMINICATION SHOULD ALWAYS BE IN VERY SIMPLE LANGUAGE, JUST TO CONVEY YOUR THOUGHTS TO OTHERS.
USING ENGLISH CARD, TO PROVE ONE A GENIOUSE GIVES A WRONG IMPRESSION ALWAYS.
SO WE SHOULD TRY TO MAKE THIS FORUM EQUALLY AVAILABLE TO THE PEOPLE, HAVING ENGLISH AS IST LANGUAGE AND HAVING IT 6TH LANGUAGE.
WHAT YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT TO US NOT HOW YOU PRESENT IT IN DIFFICULT WORLDS, AND ALSO NO NEED TO MENTION HOW YOUR MEDIUM'S QUALITY IS.
SKYFACTS
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