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  1. where we are standing today ?
    after 63 years of Pakistan ,we are still in the fighting mode with India ;and what we are getting out of it ?
    only the armed forces of both ends are reaping benefits in the name of ever increasing defense budget ...poor ppl of both sides are badly effected by their cuts in health and education sector in budgets ....

    what the solution?

    is only dancers ,singers ,musicians ,actors and poets can bring peace by going to each other;s country ?

    cricket diplomacy and showing indian films in Pakistan ,are the concrete or last options ,we can come up with ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 6:48 #
  2. @Beenei Sister

    This is because we have left Jihad. The Hindu are the coward nation amongst the all nations. Now they have no fear from us, Because we have made the mortal desires of world against the will of Allah subahana Tallah

    ‘O you who believe! Be not like those who disbelieve (hypocrites) and who say to their brethren when they travel through the earth or go out to fight: 'If they had stayed with us, they would not have died or been killed,' so that Allah may make it a cause of regret in their hearts. It is Allah that gives life and causes death. And Allah is All-Seer of what you do. And if you are killed or die in the Way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all that they amass (of worldly wealth etc.). And whether you die, or are killed, verily, unto Allah you shall be gathered.’

    (Surat-aal-Imran (3), ayah 156-158)

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 6:53 #
  3. toamin
    member

    woh kahtay hain terrorism roko aur hum kahtay hain pani aur kashmir choro

    woh kahtay hain hum sochay gay hum kahtay hain kay jee terrorism buri bala hay, hum uskay khilaf larr rahay hain, hum apkay sath hain

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 6:54 #
  4. mujh ko lagta hay india kay sath muzakrat nahin ho saktay .
    kionkay india hamesha larai karna chahta hay aur wohh kisi bhi tarhah peace pe razi nahin hoga .

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 6:56 #
  5. toamin
    member

    they decide the agenda and impose it on other side, what kind of dialog is that?

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 7:04 #
  6. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    We are poised to go back to ground zero. That will be the best achievement, after Mr. Musharraf's blunders, his sabotage of Kashmir issue.

    (1) Kashmir is an unfinished part of the partition in 1947
    (2) Kashmir is a disputed territory

    That means, anyone from both India or Pakistan can conduct any amounts of attacks to attain what they can.

    (3) This is a long-standing dispute between Pakistan <-> India
    (4) This 'had-dharmi' / 'dheet-pan' (in urdu) of India will cost it dearly in the future, INSHALLAH

    We need to give India, the stern signal that;

    (a) Pakistan is not desperate
    (b) Pakistan is equal to India, not lower than it
    (c) We will never give up on Kashmir
    (d) Kashmir is the core issue between Pakistan <-> India

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 7:09 #
  7. LalBichoo
    Blocked

    """only the armed forces of both ends are reaping benefits in the name of ever increasing defense budget ...poor ppl of both sides are badly effected by their cuts in health and education sector in budgets..."""

    >>>

    Totally agree with you Beenai, it's really unfortunate that GHQ is taking care of our Foreign policies regarding India and Afghanistan !

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 7:13 #
  8. @Psycho,
    please avoid off topic posts ,i have just deleted one of yours .thanks
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    in my view dialogues are nothing but a drama from both armed forces and political Govts just to show the world ,as well as their respective public that they both are interested in peace and thats why every dialogue ended up on a useless document ,which nobody care to follow after that .

    not any of the both countries's military is interested in teh serious talks ;thats the bottom line .

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 7:14 #
  9. toamin
    member

    also it is very important to properly position the role of 'other stake holders' who are pushing both sides to sit together and make talks

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 7:23 #
  10. intentions of other world players are quite clear .
    they are NOT sincere with Pakistan .
    its given.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 7:27 #
  11. LalBichoo
    Blocked

    Beenai,

    """intentions of other world players are quite clear .
    they are NOT sincere with Pakistan .
    its given. """

    >>>

    Instead of blaming others we need to keep our house in order first and as we can't change neighours we need to have positive dialogues with India, however until GHQ is making Pakistan's foreign policies regarding India there's no possibility of any talks bearing fruits !

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 7:31 #
  12. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    (a) The policy of cultural exchanges (dancers, singers, musicians, actors and poets) is a failure. It was doomed from the beginning. It would NEVER have helped in Pakistan's agenda on Kashmir.

    India has conceded nothing, literally nothing! to Pakistan in the last 20+ years with this strategy/policy. Not even a millimeter of Kashmiri land or welfare of its people has been ensured by this in the last 20+ years.

    The above is the worst!!! worst!!! kind of strategy Pakistanis' could ever come up with.

    (b) Steps like cricket with Indian may generate good-will, but that is ALL it will achieve. None-the-less, we need good-will within ranks of Indian people

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    If this issue is to be resolved peacefully, then;

    (a) Pakistan needs to bring awareness in world opinion

    Pakistan desperately! needs to reach out to the masses of the world. The masses of the world rather than the leaders of the world. Only AFTER we'v made the masses of the world aware of Kashmir issue, should we aproach world leaders, because at that time, their public will put pressure on them to tell them, what they are doing to help in Kashmir's cause.

    (b) Pakistan needs to gain multiple diplomatic leverage(s) on India, without conceding its position

    Diplomatic leverage on India means, Pakistan should take ALL of those steps through which it can put India on the back foot.

    (c) Pakistan needs to keep our diplomats, our ministers, our masses up-to-date with that which is going on in this regard, ALL!! the time. Spread the complete! progress report on ALL that is going on in this regard, at ALL! times

    We need to look for ways, look for opportunities to hand out as many (multiple) strategic options to our diplomats as we can, before they go into talks with anyone in international arena.

    (d) This has to be a team effort

    People in this nation need to understand this fact.

    What we need to do ? We need to;

    (1) take steps that would give us leverage(s) on India, be it of any kind
    (2) STOP! making political, diplomatic blunders, like Mr. Musharraf did
    (3) mobilize Pakistan's Counselates in ALL the countries where Pakistan has Counselates, or where we can reach, to bring awareness in masses of the world, spread the word about Kashmir, spread the info on what is going on in Kashmir

    We can learn from the Jews/Zionists/Neocons, from Christians.

    Jews in USA, who own mass media, first mobilize public opinion in the masses of the world, through awareness campaigns, then they come to the second phase, which is 'aggressive negotiations'.

    (4) give media coverage to the atrocities Indian Army is committing in Kashmir. We need to spread that info ALL over the globe, make the entire globe watch it, like the west or India does with Pakistan

    - USA, UK, their allies, as well as India are constantly using mass media to spread venom of lies against us, right ?

    What have we done to learn from them ? Have we learned to use their own weapon against them ?

    We need;

    (a) a tireless effort
    (b) self accountability
    (c) self improvement in this case
    (d) to improve our tactics, refine the ways in which we do things
    (e) refine our ways of presenting the truth to the masses of the world, without resorting to unnatural ways

    - Why are we not showing the world, face of reality, when we are right ? This is one of our biggest! blunders to-date

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    This can in turn be achieved if Pakistan;

    (1) tirelessly keeps working on its agenda
    (2) doesn't concede its position, one bit
    (3) improves on its internal political, judicial, financial, social injustice
    (4) rebuilds its economy
    (5) develops next generation products to make the entire world dependent on Pakistani made products
    (6) starts from scratch with everything in Pakistan's education system, standardization would help us go a long way
    (7) strengthens its stance in world opinion through tireless mass media campaigns

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 7:32 #
  13. toamin
    member

    i hope and wish that our Foreign Office adds all above points in their dialog agenda

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 7:50 #
  14. @Lal Bichoo,
    i have already touch this point in my very first post that armed forces of both sides are not at all interested in peace talks ...
    i have came to the next point ,in my next post ,where i m talking about international players,who talk about peace between the two countries but actually does not want so .

    as USA weapons has a great Khappat in india and Pakistan.
    thanks to the enmity of both countries .

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:03 #
  15. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    This issue could be achieved peacefully if Pakistan just makes the entire world dependent on its made, next generation products.

    That is how USA, Europe beat us/Muslims, isn't it ? They killed our scholars, intellectuals, traders, bureaucrats, brought down the production, the export of our made products.

    The world would 'automatically' listen to Pakistan, if they were dependent on Pakistani made products, the next generation of products.

    Intelligent trading is the best, peaceful way to make the masses of this world listen to your point of view.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:06 #
  16. india se talks ka kabhi bhi koi faida nahin hoga .
    khaya piya kuch nahin,glass tora baara aanay .

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:12 #
  17. RajputPuttar
    Member

    choosy

    india say jang kaa nuqsan bara haai. Pakistan aadha reh jata haai ):

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:15 #
  18. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @choosy: Even if we want to use military force, to attack India, we will need world opinion to be on our side, in order for our military campaign(s) to succeed.

    What does that tell us ?

    We have a lot! of work to do, ALL over the world. It has to be team effort. It has to be consistent! effort.

    @RajputPuttar: If you have nothing encouraging to say, then keep yourself quiet with all the discouraging things you have to say, please!.

    In other words, if you have nothing positive to contribute, then ALSO keep your negative stuff to YOURSELF, please!.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:16 #
  19. LalBichoo
    Blocked

    """The world would 'automatically' listen to Pakistan, if they were dependent on Pakistani made products, the next generation of products."""

    >>>

    I'm sure you are using a PC 100% made in Pakistan :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:18 #
  20. Agreed with Beenai. The colonial masters have left behind some 'hotspots' with an intention to keep effected areas always in a state of turmoil such as:
    -India and Pakistan (Kashmir)
    -Israel and Arab countries (Palestine)
    -Taiwan and China
    -North and South Koreas
    There are some others such as Chechnya, Kosovo, Cyprus
    Due to the above hotspots western hegemony prevails.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:20 #
  21. LalBichoo
    Blocked

    """Even if we want to use military force, to attack India, we will need world opinion to be on our side, in order for our military campaign(s) to succeed""'

    >>>

    Can we stop dreaming about Ghazwa-e-Hind, plzzzz ?

    Have we forgotten what happened in 1971 ?
    Have we forgotten about Siachin ?
    Have we forgotten about Kargil ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:20 #
  22. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Everyone of 'us'/Muslims knows reality as it is. We need to go to the next! step. Please!

    @Beenai You told me not to address LalBichoo here. If you want me to do that, you Admin(s)/Moderators need to show me you have better control over him.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:21 #
  23. RajputPuttar
    Member

    chall yaar LB choor. Kuhsu raheney daay khawaboon ki duniya mein. Teera kiya jaata haai.

    Nahi jaata haai , tax.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:23 #
  24. next step hay kay india se EDUCATION aur Sceience ki field mein lara jaye .
    na kay film aur cricket mein yah jang mein.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:24 #
  25. LalBichoo
    Blocked

    ""next step hay kay india se EDUCATION aur Sceience ki field mein lara jaye .
    na kay film aur cricket mein yah jang mein. """

    >>>

    Excellent, I totally agree with that !

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:25 #
  26. Pakistan's military strategy is based on defensive measures and not on offensive like India's.

    An all out war looks inevitable between India and Pakistan till all outstanding issues are settled when we look at what India is stockpiling. Negotiations have had no positive outcome for us since we came into being as a country called Pakistan. Our enemy has never forgiven us and never will as its clear from the continuous warmongering slogans coming out from our always threatening neighbours. We should never close our eyes and be vigilant at all times. Our enemies are active both within Pakistan in the form of negative propagandists to break the will of Pakistanis and externally that is all obvious.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:26 #
  27. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @choosy: That's! the spirit.

    We must!;

    (a) build, as well as
    (b) export, as well as
    (c) increase! our export of next generation products

    increase our trade! with the world.

    We need to make the world dependent! on Pakistani made products if we want to strengthen our position, if we want world opinion to listen to us.

    That is the peaceful way Muslim civilization took over the world in the past i.e., via (a) export of next generation products, (b) honest, fair trade.

    We need to re-do it again, now.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:26 #
  28. RajputPuttar
    Member

    very well said choosy . Also appreciate LB for his comments.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 8:36 #
  29. Pakistan will talk to india on an equal level when we will have our own silicon valley...inshallah

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 9:00 #
  30. RajputPuttar
    Member

    hanooz dili door aast , choosy

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 9:03 #
  31. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Mirza sb. Vigilance is the price, we must consistently pay, ALL the time. There's no question about it. But vigilance is only the first step. We need to move on, move to the next step.

    If it comes to war, we need two things to win this war;

    (1) Have the moral high ground

    This also means, making word opinion to come into our camp. I'v already said, how this can be achieved

    (2) To not start the war, but finish! the war

    Even if we are pulled into a war by India or the west, we will still need trade, we will need to tap multiple trade markets in order to survive the war(s).

    It is inevitable for us to put our efforts in building next generation products, be them normal trade products or military hardware/equipment.

    We as a nation, as a team, will need to;

    (a) resolve our internal issues
    (b) have better leadership
    (c) standardize our education system
    (d) remove all politicization, all corruption from our financial affairs, policies
    (e) remove all criminals, traitors, murderers, looters, plunderers of state wealth, tax money, land, etc etc, from within our ranks
    (f) etc etc

    In other words, we will need to be;

    (a) honest
    (b) just
    (c) brave

    to achieve our objective(s).

    Everything is inter-connected.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 9:08 #
  32. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Anyone have any ideas better than mine, relevant to the topic of this thread ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 9:41 #
  33. Pakistan mein aik silicon valley banay gi inshallah .
    aur wohh dhashatgardon ki punch se dorr hogi.
    mein uss kay liye kaam karon ga ...

    india se humko larna chahiye na koi fazol talk session karna cahhaiye bus india se chup kay chupkay chupkay khud ko strong banana cahhiye aur young generation ko chahiye kay wohh indian movie dekhnay ki bajaye education pe dhiyan dein....

    2. humari housewives indian dresses ,indian jewellery ka boycott karein.
    huamary youngsters indian movie and Cds ka boycott karein.

    3.india ki kisi baat ka koi jawab na diya jaye takay larai ki nobat na aye.

    these are my suggestions.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 10:04 #
  34. Pakistan,as a good neighbour,has shown flexibility in talks with india,number of times if not always but its India who is never seen serious in taking these talks to a better level further...they dont want to talk on water issue,on kashmir,ceasefire violations on borders than why are we wasting our time in these visits? we should fight these matters on international level by including and inviting other countries in to it so it can put a pressure on india to resolve these issues...

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Feb 2010 11:59 #

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