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rasheed
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•Nawaz if you want to fight against the GHQ than what is your strategy and plan?

Strategy is to have army chiefs work as per their role defined in the constitution

•What is your track record against GHQ, please give us examples of when you practically stood up against GHQ in the past or present?

1- Confronted General Aslam Baig when he refused to send Pakistani Army to Saudi to protect holy cities during first gulf war

2- Confronted General Asif Nawaz on Karachi operation

3- Was fired by General Waheed Kakar after being restored by Supreme Court

4- Confronted General Karamat against formation of National Security Council containing Generals over parliament.

5- Fired Musharraf over Kargil issue

Kindly provide similar list for Imran Khan.

•Why is replacing GHQ as a worthy ally of US your only goal?

Where did NS said that replacing GHQ is his goal?

•What is your strategy of dealing with the nexus of all that is ill with Pakistan called USA?

Put country on path towards acheiving self-reliance. Not relying on security needs from anyone else - prooved via refusing to US president on nuclear tests.

•Why are you hellbent on saving Saudis?

Do Saudis need saving from Nawaz Sharif? You surely are PTI fan with such question. May be Imran Khan can declare Saudis as enemy when he comes to the power in 2050.

NS do support brotherly relations with Saudi due to following reasons:

- Hundreds of thousands of hard working Pakistanis working in Saudi send foriegn remitance.

- After nuclear tests and worst sanctions on Pakistan, NS signed an agreement with Saudi called "Saudi Oil Facility" that provided oil to keep Pakistan running. This facility got expired in Musharraf time and was renewed when Imran Khan's friend Musharraf let Nawaz Sharif go to Saudi.

- Saudis have provided generous support during earth quake and recent flood in Pakistan.

- Saudis helped Pakistan in last war with India by sending their fighter jets.

•Why are your party member still holding back room meetings with the COAS and other intelligence officers at mid night?

Kindly categorically list all the meetings. How many meetings? Who met from PMLN? What was the agenda?

Please also explain why Imran Khan was doing same in Musharraf case and also explain his recent meeting and dinner with General Pasha.

•Why did Punjab government not present a strong prosecution against Raymond Davis?

For first time in history of Pakistan, a provincial government procescuted an american, who was not only american but also claimed to be working for embassy under diplomatic immunity. He was kept in custody for over a month despite claim from Federal Goverment by Fauzia Wahab that RD enjoys diplomatic immunity.

Punjab government requested for maximum sentence 7 years in arms case against the guy, but court only gave him minor sentence.

•Why wasn’t the court decision appealed by the prosecution?

I think you should listen to PTI member and defence analyst "Dr. Shireen Mizari" who categorically said that ISI is behind release. In case PTI has problem, they can launch an appeal in Supreme Court.

•Why wasn’t the case of spying and anti-state activities lodged against Raymond Davis by the prosecution?

As per constitution, spying is done against state and it is federal issue. All evidences were sent to federal governemnt and they refused to open a case.

Again PTI should file an application in Supreme Court against Federal Government on this issue.

•Why did Punjab government collaborate with the intelligence agencies and GHQ on this issue?

Quetions going in loop. As per PTI's Shireen Mazari and international time magazine, this issue was beyond the level of politicans and was handled by ISI.

•And last but not the least why haven’t you apologized for supporting Zia’s brutal regime and what compensation have you given to those effected under that regime?

- What compensation has Imran Khan given to those thousands of people who were kidnapped by Army and killed in unjust war of Musharraf?

- What compensation has Imran Khan given to those 17 senior judges of Supreme Court and High court who were fired by General Musharraf in 2000 when Imran Khan was fully supporting Mushrraf?

- Nawaz Sharif's support of Zia was totally different than Imran Khan supporting Musharraf.

Nawaz Sharif was not in politics and had never contested elections when Zia took over. NS was offered a position as a provincial finance minister, for which he was eligible as he has good experience of running finances in his industrial empire.

Secondly, when you take part in politics, you adhere to basic principles written in constitution.

Imran Khan despite doing politics before Musharraf, Imran Khan totally kicked the basic principles of constitution by supporting military take over. Not only that, Imran Khan supported army general when Musharrraf sacked the senior judiciary of Paksitan in year 2000.

Imran Khan's crime is worse than that of NS in support of military.

People of Pakistan are demanding answers to these questions from Nawaz Sharif and he must answer them to “prove” that he is “sincerely” an “anti-establishment leader”.

I think people want to ask these quetions first to the new friends of Imran Khan, including Altaf Hussain and Chaudhry Shujaat. But before that, Imran Khan should clear his taxes, property, illegal children, actions against judicary in 2000, and support of worst dictator musharraf.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 13:06 #
shirazi
Member

@rasheed

Good rebuttle. In my view you did well overall but on two counts Raymond Davis and Saudia Arabia.

PMLN should have known earlier what are ISI's intentions and goals are about Raymond Davis. They essentially worked for ISI's mission through out and in the process tried to take political mileage on anti-American sentiment. After desired negotiations when ISI wrapped the chapter PMLN is caught in the middle of no where.

The ruling family in Saudia Arabia is the mother of all evil not just for us, the Saudi nationals but whole Muslim world. For you to say that Sharifs have extraordinary relationships with them because they have employed Pakistanis and help us in crisis is a hogwash. The truth is Saudi royal family has personal relationships with corrupt elite within Muslim world and beyond including Bush family.

You can't defend everything but overall good effort.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 13:41 #
Truthlover
Member

@Rasheed,
I'm not a right person to answer your post as I'm independant person, without any affliations. However I have many questions of my own.
None is interested in PML(N)'s poor or glorious record but the question. how you are faring nowadays.
Your leadership is incompetent and the proof is that despite being cheated by PPP and Zardari so many times, you stillsupport those criminals.

Your leadership is corrupt as well and has looted the national wealth, if you deny then resign and have impartial enquiries.

Your party is not doing anything except cheating the people by making walk outs instead of making the government's life a hell. You make possible all that the government can never acheive on her own.

Your party is led by undemocratic methods, you also made possible dictatoral powers for people like Zardari and Nawaz Sharif by amending the constitution.

You never have the guts to withstand the pressures placed by enemies of Pakistan, you surrender and get dumb folded on all important issues.

You prefer a coalition with PPP in Punjab and yet claim to have politics of principles.
You split and buy the Q members and yet have no shame or remorse for this.

Now we come to Reymond Davis case.
Lets assume that your party was not directly involved in this deal but how can you make fool of us by claiming that you were completely blind to all that went around you. Either you lie or prove that you are incompetents and therefore should never be voted for.
Why Rayond was never indicted for anti state activities?
Why was ISI allowed to behave as a state within the state?
Why was central government given charge of the affairs while it was a provincial matter?
Why the judiciary on lower levels was pressed to break the law and what did the CJP played role in this?
Your leaders are now threatening to maker march against the drone attacks, what have they been doing for three years?
I leave the subject of KSA alone as Sherazi has already spoken of my mind.
There are hundreds of more questions but I leave those un verbalised not to make this post too lengthy.
You can't defend the parties that are so divorced from people. Soon this country shall get rid of all these unworthy leaders who are even traitors!

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 14:28 #
scandinavian
Member

@Mr. Pervez Rasheed

Your post is as ridiculous as your tv appearing nowadays.

Are you becoming desperate?

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 14:35 #
gv
Member

@rasheed

what a joke

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 14:36 #
wantinsaf
Member

The post made me laugh.
Imran Khan and PI has openly challenged Sharifs to show tax payment and assets.But it is the PML N which has not accepted the challenge exposing themselves again.
Nawaz Sharif was made CM on Punjab on merit,can there be any bigger joke?Fristly,knowing how much Zia was fond of merit and secondly how much Sharif is a capable person.The man did not even know his country was fighting war with India at Kargil.He was perhaps busy drinking Lasia at that time and we all know Lassi makes the person lazy.

Nawaz Sharif should start competing in 'Kushti' as this is what suits a pettu person.

PML N is exposing itself day by day.One more Raymond incident would again make them shift to Dubai.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 14:43 #
Truthlover
Member

It's quite common practice that two culprits put the blame on eachother and thus skip the consequences, Rasheed is trying to do the same by puting the burden of blame on central government. We all know that the central government consists of bunch of criminlas but we also know that PML-N isn't the party of angels either.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 15:02 #
rasheed
Member

Looks like I have stepped right on the tail of PTI fan club as they did not come with any logical answer and reverted to their standard BS as they can't hear anything against their beloved Imran Khan.

I can answer based on facts and straight questions, but not on anything that is based on personal opinion.

Based on the same questions, I repeat the following questions to PTI fan club and I hope they stick to these questions before moving to other questions if they have got balls:

- Does Imran Khan want to fight against GHQ? Why or why not?

- What is Imran Khan's record of fight against GHQ?

- Is Imran Khan going to fight against US? Why or why not?

- Is Imran Khan going to establish good relations with Saudis?

- How many meetings Imran Khan had with Musharraf, Pasha and all other military persons?

- Kindly explain the following on Raymond Davis issue:

-- Why PTI's senior member and defense analyst Dr. Shireen Mazari thinks that ISI is ultimately responsible for RD issue?

-- Why Imran Khan did not blame the ultimate responsible party, the ISI on RD issue? Is it because PTI only wants to use it for political point scoring?

-- Why PTI failed to mobilize large number of people in on RD issue? Is it because people know that PTI is doing point scoring only by not blaming the actual culprits?

-- Why PTI fans are not primarily blaming judiciary who released RD?

-- Why PTI fans are not primarily blaming federal government who did not file espionage charges against RD?

-- Why PTI fans are primarily blaming PMLN who captured CIA agent first time in history and locked him for more than one month and prosecuted him?

- If Imran thinks NS should apologize for Zia, when will Imran Khan personally apologize to all people affected by Musharraf, including all people killed, kidnapped, tortured, sacked and exiled by Musharraf?

Kindly answer these before we move forward to other questions.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 15:13 #
shirazi
Member

@Rashhed

Raymond Davis !!!

خطا وار سمجھے گی دنیا تجھے
ات نی زیادہ صفائی نہ دے

:)

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 15:24 #
1lhr
Member

@Rasheed
perfectly valid qsts....

i think you have logically answered qsts raised on your leadership

Now i hope that PTI will be able to answer the qsts raised on their leadership (without gali galoch!)

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 15:30 #
Anonymous

Frankly their is no need to answer any of your questions Rasheed. Doesnt change a thing.

NS is a liar and a coward. We dont deserve him as a leader, it is simple as that.

For starters, why does NS lie to this day that it was him who took the US pressure and went ahead with the atomic explosions.

AQ Khan and Sammar mubarakmand have openly busted this bubble and exposed his lie. Khwaja Asif produced fake tax returns on TV the other day.

A LIAR is not taking us anywhere. RD RD RD .. it were the provincial prosecution which let RD escape. What could the judiciary do? They dint leave enough time for a suo moto either. In a couple of hours he was out and away.

We will not blame ISI. These morons took votes and are in the position of responsibility. If we are to direct our questions to ISI then what are these wussies doing in Chief minister houses? It is their responsibility. If they can not contain the ISI then resign and sit home.

Where has N league come out to say that its the ISI. Why are they wetting their pants. Why dont they say it plainly if they are so convinced.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 15:38 #
saladin89
Member

@ 1hr

Now i hope that PTI will be able to answer the qsts raised on their leadership (without gali galoch!)

What u talking about bro PTI guys are the only one's that make sense on this forum.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 15:38 #
saladin89
Member

@ rasheed

As for your questions just one or dell are the ones that can shut u up.

I don't think they have read these questions yet

Wait they will be coming!

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 15:41 #
Truthlover
Member

"-- Why PTI's senior member and defense analyst Dr. Shireen Mazari thinks that ISI is ultimately responsible for RD issue?

-- Why Imran Khan did not blame the ultimate responsible party, the ISI on RD issue? Is it because PTI only wants to use it for political point scoring?

-- Why PTI failed to mobilize large number of people in on RD issue? Is it because people know that PTI is doing point scoring only by not blaming the actual culprits?

-- Why PTI fans are not primarily blaming judiciary who released RD?"

I believe that all state actors on national and provinccial levels were taken aboard on this issue but then that doesn't include opposition. Even if Imran knew about the ISI involvement, why should he criticise the agencies that are not the constitutional authority to handle such matters, they must have twisted the arms of impotent politicians to get their will through.
The reason why Imran Khan failed to mobilize the masses is simple, people of this country are yet to get out of their slumber, they are semi aware but lack the confidence to react to the filthy Elite. They have been given impossible tasks of trying to survive the inhuman political, social, religious and economical conditions created by demons that are their leaders. But don't forget these conditions will fail to break these people and soon you shall find the vengeance overflowing this land of impurity.

People of Pakistan don't blame the judiciary for the release of RD because they know that the judiciary is a who re and that sha has been ever since the country was created. How can we expect decency from an eternal Who...?

Why no one is blaming the Fedral government is simple, we all know what devil leads the nation but what about so called man of principles, NS, who has disappointed the whole nation by his staunch support to the devils?

I'm certain you knew all these answers and yet you fool yourself by placing them to your opponents. It's not the Imran Khan or his tiny party that shall cause you a certain demise but the anger of common people, who know these political clowns well.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 15:46 #
rasheed
Member

@Truthlover,

I believe that all state actors on national and provinccial levels were taken aboard on this issue but then that doesn't include opposition. Even if Imran knew about the ISI involvement, why should he criticise the agencies that are not the constitutional authority to handle such matters, they must have twisted the arms of impotent politicians to get their will through.

So this confirms that PTI attack primarily on PMLN is just for political point scoring and all PTI except Shireen Mizarai does have have guts to blame ISI.

And secondly ISI reports to Federal Government, not Punjab government, so more responsibility lies on Federal.

The reason why Imran Khan failed to mobilize the masses is simple, people of this country are yet to get out of their slumber, they are semi aware but lack the confidence to react to the filthy Elite. They have been given impossible tasks of trying to survive the inhuman political, social, religious and economical conditions created by demons that are their leaders. But don't forget these conditions will fail to break these people and soon you shall find the vengeance overflowing this land of impurity.

Typical BS. We had more or less same people and same problems two years ago during long march when NS had reached Gujranwala and his convoy was so long that it continued till Lahore. More than a million people were on street during last long march and half million on first long march at Constitutional Avenue in Islamabad. This proves that when you have good reason, you can bring people on street regardless of their financial conditions.

People of Pakistan don't blame the judiciary for the release of RD because they know that the judiciary is a who re and that sha has been ever since the country was created. How can we expect decency from a eternal Who...?

I am not blaming people of Pakistan, but a tiny number of PTI fans who are blaming for political point scoring.

Why no one is blaming the Fedral government is simple, we all know what devil leads the nation but what about so called man of principles, NS, who has disappointed the whole nation by his staunch support to the devils?

Again PTI's not blaming of Federal Gov and only blaming PMLN shows that their blame game is only for political point scoring.

Secondly, in case you have little memory, Nawaz Sharif almost toppled PPP's government in second long march for restoration of judiciary.

PMLN is in opposition and does not have constitutional numbers to legally remove PPP government. Only MQM can do it, but I am sure you won't blame them as PTI has been badly exposed on their MQM stance. Nawaz Sharif did not vote for Zardari, but MQM did. If Imran Khan had brain, he would run in elections for which he had 5 years to prepare and he could have joined PMLN to topple PPP. Now he is sitting outside and blaming PMLN and insisting them to play unconstitutional role.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 16:04 #
Anonymous

Imran has already admitted the mistake he made in trusting Musharraf and his 7 point agenda.

Whats troubling you now ?

Where is NS's apology. Allah(SWT) zia ul haq ko qarwat qarwat jannat naseeb karay? When will he apologize to the bhutto family?

And do u call these questions? How will be relations with ghq, saudi, amreekis? ure asking for policy statements. Where is NS's by the way?

How many meetings with Pasha .. ok .. 1! Happy?

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 16:08 #
rasheed
Member

Imran has already admitted the mistake he made in trusting Musharraf and his 7 point agenda.

Whats troubling you now?

Nothing is troubling me, but is it PTI who can't sleep because NS had relations with Zia and demanding NS to apologize to people affected by Zia. At same time, PTI fans don't demand the same to their leader Imran Khan who did so much worse than Nawaz Sharif.

Secondly, Imran Khan supported Musharraf in sacking 17 judges of Supreme Court and High Court. Was this also part of Musharraf 7 point agenda?

When will he apologize to the bhutto family?

For what? NS was not even in politics when Bhutto was arrested. Instead Bhutto should apologize to Sharif family for taking away their industrial empire.

BTW, since when PTI become mamo of Bhutto?

And do u call these questions? How will be relations with ghq, saudi, amreekis? ure asking for policy statements.

These are not my questions, but I am repeating the same questions that were asked by PTI fans for NS.

Where is NS?

NS is in the same place where Imran Khan spends couple of months every year.

How many meetings with Pasha .. ok .. 1! Happy?

Good - Imran Khan 1 - Nawaz Sharif 0

NS did not have even single meeting with Pasha

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 16:22 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

NS didn't met Pasha but he was born from a Dictator and was brought up in dictator's lap....

Can you deny that? Please don't insult the intelligence of the people on this board.

They are not from Raiwand Farm. ;-)

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 16:29 #
Truthlover
Member

Rasheed,
As I told you earlier I'm not here on behalf of PTI or Imran Khan, so I'll not defend them or their policies even though I consider him an honest fellow, quite different than the rest.
I can see that you are trying to take the credit of the long march that was a collective struggle to restore the judiciary but lets nort argue about that happening and for one second admit that you alone were the architects of that movement. Now tell me the story ever since. Why the public anger was never chanellised, why Zardari and Gilani were set off the hook?
Why the Governorrule didn't open your eyes and why did you continue ruling Punjab with the help of PPP?
Why you never take a tough stance against this crippled government, why friendly opposition, why Chor- Kuti politics?
Why was NS again and again coming out with full support to Zardari, why make Zardari government at par with Democracy?
Why NS supported PPP on all important issues, included Budget?
You say that you are in minority and therefore has to abide by the reality, you make me laugh because you guys claim to be politicians and yet don't know the difference between a majority government and a coalition. If I am wrong then tell me why your party leadership so often talks the BS of Peoples party having the manadate?
Tell me in which country a party getting only fifteen to twenty percent of the total vote can acclaim the posts of President, Prime Minister, All governors, Speaker, Chairman of the Senate, Foreign minister......., oh my, my, your party really amaze me. What are you clever heads doing, can't you teach your leadership how to play the game of politics?
Imran Khan or no Imran Khan, the days of your democratic robberies are over. The people of Pakistan have enough of you and your tragic end nears with the strength of a storm.
It's sad that even people like me have lost all their faith in democracy and for that reason we shall not shed tears the day this stupid Era shall come to an end.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 16:34 #
rasheed
Member

@KHAN_Sahib,

NS didn't met Pasha but he was born from a Dictator and was brought up in dictator's lap....

Actions speak louder than the words. Please check the list of Army Chief who NS confronted unlike any other politician of Pakistan.

Unlike Imran Khan who supported martial law of Musharraf and his sacking of judiciary in 2000, Nawaz Sharif did not support the actions of Zia's martial law in 1977 since NS was not even in politics.

It is million times worse for someone who is working in politics and taking parts in constitutional elections to suddenly change side and start supporting military take over like Imran Khan did.

They are not from Raiwand Farm. ;-)

When PTI fans run out of logical replies, only this is expected.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 16:37 #
1lhr
Member

- IK's meeting with Pasha = 1

No. Ik himself admitted it was more than 1!

- Imran Khan supported Musharraf in sacking 17 judges of Supreme Court and High Court....which was part of Musharraf agenda?

So IK was the one who supported mush in destruction of superior courts which provide insaaf..... Was insaaf not the agenda of Ik at that time?

- Ik was a staunch supporter of Mush and Zia. Ik took his resignation back from cricket on request of Zia and also took plots. Was Zia not the dictator at that time?

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 16:37 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

@Rasheed...

Fc.uk PTI as I wouldnt care less if they can't come in power for next 30 years.

Tell me something Mr Rasheed... I have some fundamental problem with your leader... Would you care to answer them please..

1. Your leader was born from a Martial Law dictator and both brother enjoyed his company and ruled on Punjab for a very long time. Correct or incorrect?

2. They supported General Zia and Afghan war and brought us down to our present state by giving free hand to USA and KSA to support these jihadis who after the end of afghan war, never returned. Correct or incorrect?

3. These brothers cut a deal with another Dictator and left the country for 10 years instead of accepting Jail sentence or even getting hanged like BHUTTO? Correct or Incorrect?

4. For 10 years they didn't utter a word from their Palaces in KSA and all of a sudden they had this severe urge to return back to further exploit pakistanis? Correct to incorrect?

5. How can I accept a coward and spineless person like nawaz as my leader when he run away to save his thick neck from jail? Would you accept a coward and spineless as your leader?

6. After returning back to pakistan in shame and disgrace, he never tried to come across as a leader of the nation. Instead he considered himself as leader of punjab. Check all newspapers and media. Perhaps PKPOLITICS was one of initial pioneer blog where DRONE attacks were condemn. so why this punjabi leader (sarcasm intended not racism) didn't condemn Drone attacks and why didn't he visit FATA and Khyber Pukhtoonkhwa during and after the Swat, FATA operations. Why didn't he visit Peshawar after all these bomb blasts? Am i not rite to label him as a punjabi leader (in fact a raiwandi leader) when I see that he doesn't care less about the other parts of Pakistan including karachi.

7. What were the assets of Shareef brothers before their first illegitimate romance with General Zia?

I have a very long list ... but can you even reply to the above questions to begin with... Thanks

@Sufisoul... Duz Duz

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 16:51 #
Anonymous

OK Rasheed and 1HR. NS and IK are both the same.

Lets go by Hazrat Ali's(RA) saying and not try the tried one again.

fair enuf?

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 17:00 #
Truthlover
Member

I thought this forum to be a bastion of PTI but the reluctance to confront this PML-N's representative is surprising.
Fair End! What fair end abytude?
Come on guys, now be warriors and make your opponent sweat little!

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 17:09 #
saladin89
Member

(1) Does Imran Khan want to fight against GHQ? Why or why not?

How many people do u want IK to fight?. He is fighting against PPP, PML (N), which are the 2 most corrupt, incompetant parties in the country. And now u want him to openly challenge GHQ.
The main problem with GHQ is General Kiyani. Once IK comes to power he needs to get rid off Mr Kiyani, and place a good general.
So at the moment GHQ is not IK main problem.

Compared to Nawaz Sharif, as the only policy he has is to condemn GHQ, and to hide his failures he blames GHQ for all the problems of the country. ( which is mainly crap )
Also historically Nawaz Sharif has issues with Army, especially General Musharraf.

So the main reason Nawaz is against GHQ is because he has a personal vendetta against them. We can't forget Nawaz being put in prison by GM and making that bechara face. And then he left the country and went saudia arabia. He is still burning from inside, he wants revenge!

(2) What is Imran Khan's record of fight against GHQ?

He has been condemning Musharraf, ever since he joined the so call war on terror. IK has been the most outspoken against Musharraf regime. As for Mr sharif he was licking his own wounds in Saudia Arabia.
Also IK condemed what had happened in Kargil, and said he would have court marshall those Generals that went to kargil without the authority of government. ( that is if he were in power at that time).

Also I would like to mention the march that should take place soon concerning the supply routes of NATO.
Not only is he directly going up against US interests, also the GHQ which has been allowing these NATO supply lines to go through.

So even now he is indirectly going up against GHQ, condemning drone attacks and very soon NATO supply lines.

What has Nawaz Sharif done? let me tell u the complete opposite to what IK has been doing.

(3)

Is Imran Khan going to fight against US? Why or why not?

YES
HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO FIGHTS US! even wiki leaks proves this.
Nawaz Sharif, Zardari and Mr Kiyani are all allowing the drone attacks to take place.
IK has openly condemned drone attacks for years now, and openly condemned foreign personnel in Pakistan( i.e the Raymond Davis lot).
So the main reason he is going up against US is because deep down he knows US is there to de stabilise Pakistan ( the Raymond Davis issue more or less confirms this)

As for Mr Sharif he is known to be the pet dog of US, wiki leaks proves it as well. And if u are not satisfied with that go to Punjab and ask 100 random people they will also confirm this.

(4) Is Imran Khan going to establish good relations with Saudis?

Imran will establish good relations with saudia Arabia.
However not to the extent of Nawaz Sharif, where saudia Arabia government intervened to get Sharif out of Pakistan.

I'm sure he will do it for the best interests of Pakistan!

(5) How many meetings Imran Khan had with Musharraf, Pasha and all other military persons?

don't know how many meetings he had with Musharraf
Now the reason he supported General Musharraf was because IK believed that GM could bring a positive change into the country, so therefore IK wanted to support him.
But then very early on IK noticed that GM is related to Nawaz **** Sharif.

If a decent General took over Pakistan today i would support him and would like IK to do so as well, because the present situation in Pakistan is on the brinks of disaster.

(6) Why PTI's senior member and defense analyst Dr. Shireen Mazari thinks that ISI is ultimately responsible for RD issu
Don't know

(7) Why Imran Khan did not blame the ultimate responsible party, the ISI on RD issue? Is it because PTI only wants to use it for political point scoring?

they all had a hand in it, but the main culprits were PML (N), there are rumours flying around that the families concerned were pressurized by Shabaz sharif and Rana sana saab. ( but i guess u won't believe that as u suck up to the Sharif brothers).
So therefore it is pretty silly to blame ISI, they all played a part in it.
And final **** take is Nawaz faking his heart problem, and the Shabaz pretending that they were not aware of what had happened.
SO MAIN CULPRITS PML N, IT WAS UNDER THERE JURISDICTION.

Are us saying the PML N are the bechara party, and they had no idea what was going on, for god's sake use some common sense man.

If my answer is not suitable go to a 100 random people in Punjab and u will get your answer.

As for political point scoring as soon as the Sharif brothers open there mouth. IK scores some points.

So no ultimately u are mistaken that ISI were the main culprits. They all played a hand in it, and the main slice of the cake goes to PML N.

(8) Why PTI failed to mobilize large number of people in on RD issue? Is it because people know that PTI is doing point scoring only by not blaming the actual culprits?

The Islamabad show was a disapointment, however the Lahore show was a blockbuster. And no it is not because he did not blame the army, it is people could not be bothered i guess.
Again go to 100 random people in Punjab u will get both parts of your question answered.

(9) Why PTI fans are not primarily blaming judiciary who released RD?

Because they are in the pockets of Sharif brothers.
But yes judiciary was a dissapointment, it just shows how influenced they can get by political parties and ISI.

(10) Why PTI fans are not primarily blaming federal government who did not file espionage charges against RD?

As i said they all had a hand in it. They all sold our country for a mere 20 dollars.

(11) Why PTI fans are primarily blaming PMLN who captured CIA agent first time in history and locked him for more than one month and prosecuted him?

U idiot, this is really pissing me rite off now,it was people who gathered around him and gave him to the police.
Do u think Nawaz Sharif captured him.
The media got involved and it was really difficult for anyone to release him so soon. RD was on the news concerning him speaking to the police. Also one of the PPP politicians resigned concerning this issue. So therefore it was HOT.

But eventually these crooks did release him didn't they.

(12)
The difference is that Nawaz was in kissing up to zia and IK went against Musharraf when he saw that this man is not credible enough to lead the nation.

U ARE A VERY SILLY PERSON TO TRY TO DEFEND THAT UNEDUCATED BUM NAWAZ SHARIF. IT MAKES ME SO SAD THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE U DEFENDING HIM.

I'M SURE THE LIKES OF DELL AND JUST ONE WILL GIVE U BETTER ANSWER'S IN MORE DETAIL

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 17:11 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

I am waiting for Rasheed Shareef to reply... hmmmmm
take your time dude!

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 17:11 #
Truthlover
Member

Mr.Rasheed seems to have taken off for today.
You know PML-N workers need a rest after few minutes hard work, right Rasheed Saheb?

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 17:38 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

اپنے بگ باس میاں شریف کی طرح سر کی مالش کروانے نکل گئے ہوں گے .. خیر جناب... ہم بھی ڈھیٹ ہے... یاد دلاتے رہیں گے...

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 17:56 #
Truthlover
Member

@rasheed,

Whenever you find time to read!
Don't be afraid of PTI and IK.
IK is too honest to become a politician.
He can never get the electoral vote to become a prime minister.
He lacks the resources to challenge you and your Vaderas or change the fraud elctro system.
He can never match your billions of dollars.
But Imran Khan shall remain,
Your worst nightmare.
You know why?
Because he is hope of tomorrow
He's promise that this country shall get back her dignity
He is a man yet to be tested
He is fool like us, who dreams of purity
Imran Khan is not a man as you wrongly think.
Imran Khan is a name of Principle that is absent from our lives.
So fear the day when there would be millions and millions of Imran Khan, coming to demand for retribution!
That day shall Pakistan be a worthy place to be and live.
PML-N, regret while there is still time!

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 18:10 #
dell
Blocked

I will reply to this BS later as I am busy today at work.

So far it seems like what I wrote in my original thread about Nawaz being infalliable is being reiterated here by his toadies. Nawaz didn't do nothing wrong for supporting Zia.

And their reply to most questions is a question "what did Imran do or didn't do?" LOL, Obssessed with our leader much??

BTW, PTI is not asking for answers, People of Pakistan are asking for answers, and your response seems insulting to 18 crore people of Pakistan as you are essentially saying "what did people of Pakistan do"?

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 18:13 #
salaudin
Member

@Rasheed
Your questions are moronic. It is as if a kid is tasked to criticize an adult.
- Why should Imran Khan "FIGHT" with GHQ ? What good does it serve for the country? He would make them stay within their limits but why would he "fight" against them ?
- He has answered this one in one of the Talk Show (i think it was Off The Record). As Pakistanis we should protect our own interest i.e. neither fight nor be their slave.
- Good relations with Saudi Arabia is in the best interest of Pakistan BUT they must not interfere in our internal affairs (like the case with not-so-Sharifs).
- NOONers are the ones who are scared to name the agencies. In a democracy, it is the elected government that holds the responsibility, not the institutions. Government has to fix the institutions while people hold the elected members responsible. Democracy kay taranay parhnay say pehlay Democracy kay baray men bhi parh laitay to aaj yeh din na daikhna parta.
-PTI does NOT demand NS to apologize for Zia but at least don't accuse others for this. If supporting a dictator is an unforgivable crime, NS is guilty of that too; more than IK.

Next time, at least put some brain before you come up with such questions. You are no better than Khawaja Asif you did a really bad job of forging the fake documents of NS income tax.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 18:50 #
dell
Blocked

Ager Raymond Davis nay Hasan Nawaz aur Hussain Nawaz ka qatal kiya hota tou?

Kya Nawaz Sharif pir bhi khamoshi say ISI kay haathon Raymond ko bachanay daita???

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 19:17 #
rasheed
Member

@salaudin,

If my questions are moronic, then break your face instead of breaking mirror, as these were the exact questions asked by PTI to NS.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 20:34 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

@RASHEED,

Do I need to remind you about my raised Questions?

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 20:44 #
rasheed
Member

@Khan_Sahib,

اپنے بگ باس میاں شریف کی طرح سر کی مالش کروانے نکل گئے ہوں گے .. خیر جناب... ہم بھی ڈھیٹ ہے... یاد دلاتے رہیں گے...

Unlike your leader Imran Khan who chills out in Mumbai in worst possible time for Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif does not go for maalish.

Here is a picture of your leader in India when Pakistan was burning after assassination of Benazir:

This is really humiliating for any Pakistani.

Source:

Pakistan may be on the boil following the assassination of former premier Benazir Bhutto yet cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan finds time to relax.

Imran is in Mumbai on a personal visit.

Imran, at a press conference in Mumbai, had expressed concerns that 'people have lost faith' in Musharraf and 'nobody is safe in Pakistan.'

"Who will now address a political rally? Who will come to attend the rally? A recent survey said 80 per cent of the Pakistani people want Musharraf to step down but he refuses to leave his post," he had said.

http://rantburg.com/index.php?D=12/29/2007

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 20:51 #
saladin89
Member

@rasheed

Do I need to remind u about the answers I gave to your questions

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 20:53 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

@Rasheed...

Let me "REMIND" you that I DID not ask you to paste IK Photo. I support any HONEST person regardless of their Party Affiliation. Unfortunately your big boss doesn't fit that single point criteria. Here are my Questions I asked you... CARE TO ANSWER IF YOU HAVE ANY REPLY?

@Rasheed...

Fc.uk PTI as I wouldnt care less if they can't come in power for next 30 years.

Tell me something Mr Rasheed... I have some fundamental problem with your leader... Would you care to answer them please..

1. Your leader was born from a Martial Law dictator and both brother enjoyed his company and ruled on Punjab for a very long time. Correct or incorrect?

2. They supported General Zia and Afghan war and brought us down to our present state by giving free hand to USA and KSA to support these jihadis who after the end of afghan war, never returned. Correct or incorrect?

3. These brothers cut a deal with another Dictator and left the country for 10 years instead of accepting Jail sentence or even getting hanged like BHUTTO? Correct or Incorrect?

4. For 10 years they didn't utter a word from their Palaces in KSA and all of a sudden they had this severe urge to return back to further exploit pakistanis? Correct to incorrect?

5. How can I accept a coward and spineless person like nawaz as my leader when he run away to save his thick neck from jail? Would you accept a coward and spineless as your leader?

6. After returning back to pakistan in shame and disgrace, he never tried to come across as a leader of the nation. Instead he considered himself as leader of punjab. Check all newspapers and media. Perhaps PKPOLITICS was one of initial pioneer blog where DRONE attacks were condemn. so why this punjabi leader (sarcasm intended not racism) didn't condemn Drone attacks and why didn't he visit FATA and Khyber Pukhtoonkhwa during and after the Swat, FATA operations. Why didn't he visit Peshawar after all these bomb blasts? Am i not rite to label him as a punjabi leader (in fact a raiwandi leader) when I see that he doesn't care less about the other parts of Pakistan including karachi.

7. What were the assets of Shareef brothers before their first illegitimate romance with General Zia?

I have a very long list ... but can you even reply to the above questions to begin with... Thanks

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 21:04 #
rasheed
Member

@saladin89,

1- The main problem with GHQ is General Kiyani. Once IK comes to power he needs to get rid of Mr Kiyani, and place a good general.

So at the moment GHQ is not IK main problem.

What a childish answer. IK has to get rid of Kiyani, but GHQ is not his main problem? I think everyone knows that entire GHQ acts as per orders of Kiyani.

Is Imran Khan planning to remove Kiyani through General Pasha and will place Pasha as Army Chief because Pasha is a good general? Is that why IK is meeting Pasha?

Don't you think that Imran Khan should not mess with GHQ and let it grow itself by having the senior most general after Kiyani to become chief and let the seniority principle prevail without outside interference?

2- He has been condemning Musharraf, ever since he joined the so call war on terror. IK has been the most outspoken against Musharraf regime. As for Mr sharif he was licking his own wounds in Saudia Arabia.

Totally wrong. Check newspaper archives and you will find that IK was still supporting Musharraf and the stance of US even when Afghanistan was under shock and awe operation by the US. IK moved against War of Terror after occupation of Afghanistan was completed.

Regarding NS, Imran Khan was enjoying company of Musharraf all the time when legal Prime Minster of Pakistan was locked in 14th century Attock Fort. Not only Nawaz Sharif, his son was also locked there without any charges. Brothers of Nawaz Sharif and his nephews, even the ones who were non-political were jailed for over 14 months when IK was enjoying with Musharraf. Even wife of Nawaz Sharif was publicly humiliated by Musharraf while Imran Khan was fully supporting General Musharraf.

3- Is Imran Khan going to fight against US? Why or why not?

YES
HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO FIGHTS US!

Is Imran Khan going to join Mullah Omar to fight with US or how exactly he will fight? Don't you think fight starts at home by achieving economic self reliance like what Japan did before attempting to fight with US?

more answers coming soon ...

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 21:13 #
rasheed
Member

@KHAN_Sahib,

You were never interested in answers, that's why you starting ridiculing others on maalish joke. I did not intend to share IK topless picture, but your attitude forced me to share it.

Let me know when you are serious and bring factual questions rather than sharing your personal bashing and I will answer your questions.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 21:16 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

@RASHEED..
JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY AS WELL

Before Malissh and after Malissh

Mayla Baccha... kayoun lo la hay (My kid, why are you crying?)

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 21:18 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

Very funny Rasheed...

As I said, I don't give a flying toss about any leader unless they are honest.

If you have any ANSWER to my Questions then I am ALL EARS! I really wanna know if you can come up with any excuse.

As regards to "Maalish" it was a joke intended towards you and if you have been coming to PKPOLITICS then you would realize that this harmless banter goes on here all the time. But you put IK picture, thinking that it will effect me. Well... You can put his totally stripped picture and it still won't bother me... so
Instead of diverting my questions, come up with some other excuse and I will assume that you DON'T have any reply to my questions just like your leader...

By the way.. If you want my leader... His name is Mahmood Khan Achakzai.. Please put up his picture if you can..Thx

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 21:24 #
rasheed
Member

@KHAN_Sahib,

Kindly don't spam this thread and bring issues one by one so I can answer each.

I would request moderator to bring my thread under control and remove pictures with childish responses that is also messing up my browser. This will allow me to logically answer the questions.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 21:27 #
rasheed
Member

@KHAN_Sahib,

I have reported your post which is messing up my browser. I will be back in few minutes and answer your questions that are logical.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 21:30 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

I am still waiting rasheed for my answers...

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 21:34 #
HAQKIAWAZ
Member

Rasheed well done, your have given excellent logic answers to the bs questions by Pti. It is shameful that pti guys criticizing ns support to zia in 80,s and they are covering up of their leader support to Mush in this millinium of 2000's.
1- Now so called principled leader Ik proclaim himself the champion promoter against war of terror. One question to all IK' supporter, when musharraf took 180 degree turn by supporting and allowing all ground, logistic support to America in 2001. Was Ik sleeping at that time. Why he did not oppose this WOT initiated by Mush and today he says that this WOT has destroyed pakistan. Was he blind folded at that time by supporting mush position on WOT. Was he in the illusion of becoming PM so he did not raise any objections? For IK's supporters this WOT started in end of 2001 and Imran was supporting fully Mush before oct 2002 elections. Why Imran kept his eyes shut, when a lot of persons started to get missing during that period.
2-Imran supported Musharraf when he toppled a elected civilian
govt
3- He was sitting in the lap of Mush when he sacked the most respected CJ Mr Saeed uz Zaman Siddique along with other 17 judges causing a huge hit on independent judiciary. Did he forget that he was heading Pak Tehreek-Insaf or he was head of Pak Tehreek-Bay Insaaf
3- He was sitting in the lap of Mush when NS was facing the death sentence threats in attock qila
4-Only Ik's Pti and AH' Mqm supported the shame and fraud referendum of mush, whereas PML(N), PPP, JI, Achakzai and all other democratic forces were opposing his referendum.
5- He was with Musharraf till referndum in april 2002, then suddenly he started to oppose Mush within less than six months before oct 2002 elections. This was the months in which Musharraf formed PML(Q).So the formation of this new party was the reason that IK parted away from Mush's lap as he got to know that he would not be made PM. IK's decision to oppose Mush was based on his own self interests.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 21:40 #
saladin89
Member

@rasheed

(1) Yes, so we agree General Kiyani is a problem. But the point I made that he is not the main problem.

the main problem are Nawaz and Zardari.

Is Imran Khan planning to remove Kiyani through General Pasha and will place Pasha as Army Chief because Pasha is a good general? Is that why IK is meeting Pasha?

Imran Khan is not in a position to remove Kiyani (what are u talking about) and place another gENERAL. i DO NOT KNOW WHETHER he is meeting Pasha, but if he is good on him.

The problem that we have hear is that u blame GHQ for all the problems in the country, and picture Nawaz sharif as a bechara. I agree that GHQ is a problem but can be rectified with Kiyani being replaced, whereas he only has a few years left, so by the time IK wins he would have been gone anyway.
But taking Out PML N and PPP and winning the elections is a much harder task, as these corrupt, incompetant, lying, murdering, looting from poor, fake degree holders and fake votes will do anything to stay in power.

2- Imran Khan as far as I am aware never supported the stance of US! That was one of the reason's IK left Musharraf regime, because of the support he was giving US.

1999 he supported Musharraf coup
a couple of months before the 2002 elections he left him.

Now concerning Nawaz Sharif in prison, that's where he belongs, if I look back at MUsharraf legacy, that was one of plus points. Also shabaz belongs there as well, nothing wrong done. As for humiliating his wife that was wrong, if it did happen.

U talk about legal Prime Minister, has he ever been legal.
These scum bags have been faking votes for long time.
U are havin a laugh LEGAL.
Nawaz Sharif stands for ILLEGAL.

3
US aircrafts are bombing innocent civilians in Pakistan, what the hell do u want him to do, lick US balls like Nawaz Sharif has been doing.
US are here to destabilise Pakistan (raymond davis case hints on that).
The way he will achieve this is by giving back the begging bowl and say NO MORE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Also by asking all US military personnel to leave Pakistan.

That's the way he will fight because he loves his people. Unlike Nawaz Sharif who sold his country for a mere 20 dollars.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 22:19 #
rasheed
Member

@saladin89,

the main problem are Nawaz and Zardari.

Definitely. They are the problems because no one wants to vote for Imran Khan and now Imran Khan is looking for shortcut through General Pasha.

Please check this video where Imran Khan is saying:

Imran Khan says ... Thanks to General Musharraf, All bad people have left PMLN and PMLN has been cleaned!!!

So Imran Khan declares PMLN to be clean party after IK himself leaves Musharraf ... and guess what?

Imran Khan gives election ticket in 2008 to bad people who left PMLN in Rawalpindi and Lahore. This is the leadership and vision of Imran Khan.

Watch video from 4:30 onwards.

.. and don't forget .. IK held a press conference with Chaudhry Shujaat and talked to Altaf Hussain, both of whom are dirty politicians who will welcome any future Army Chief and both are corrupt and murderers. This is how IK going to change Pakistan.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 22:54 #
rasheed
Member

@saladin89,

2- Imran Khan as far as I am aware never supported the stance of US! That was one of the reason's IK left Musharraf regime, because of the support he was giving US.

1999 he supported Musharraf coup
a couple of months before the 2002 elections he left him.

Now concerning Nawaz Sharif in prison, that's where he belongs, if I look back at MUsharraf legacy, that was one of plus points. Also shabaz belongs there as well, nothing wrong done.

Let me remind you that IK fully supported the War of Terror until occupation of Afghanistan was completed. Let me know if you need me to dig up newspapers and prove you.

Regarding military rule, basically you are saying that any Army Chief can come and put the constitutional Prime Minister and his entire family in jail? Is that PTI's official stance or your personal stance?

Let me remind you:

1999 - Imran Khan Supported General Musharraf against PMLN
2007 - Imran Khan appraised Nawaz Sharif and declared PMLN to be clean
2011 - Imran Khan supports General Pasha against PMLN

Very nice vision from a visionary leader like Imran Khan.

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 23:04 #
HAQKIAWAZ
Member

rasheed
1999 - Imran Khan Supported General Musharraf against PMLN
2007 - Imran Khan appraised Nawaz Sharif and called PMLN to be clean
2011 - Imran Khan supports General Pasha against PMLN

Also add up,
May 2007,Imran called AH as a terroist, absconder, killer and Mqm as fasciast party but
March 2011,Imran called AH as a genuine leader with the Mqm on same agenda as PTI
After oct 2002, Imran called PML(Q) as nexus of evil
Dec 2010, Now Imran has certainly found that PML(Q) is a real opposition
Before oct 2008 election, Imran wanted to contest election with NS on Apdm plateform as NS was not corrupt at that time
After 2008 election, as NS did not boycott election on IK's request, therefore now NS is a corrupt leader for IK
I think due to these flip flop politics in last 10 years of Imran, He should be called as "Qalabazi Khan instead of Imran Khan

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 23:19 #
shirazi
Member

@ HAQKIAWAZ

I don't disagree with the notion behind Qalabazi Khan but I 'd rather stick to Taliban Khan :)

Posted 1 year ago on 04 Apr 2011 23:28 #