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Russia Snubs India...by cancelling military exercises with India!

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  1. Tuesday, 31 May, 2011

    Russia has cancelled both its 'Indra' series of military exercises with India. Last month, a flotilla of five warships from the Indian navy's eastern fleet that went for joint naval exercises to Vladivostok in the Russian far-east, was turned back without any manoeuvres. The warships-which included the missile destroyers INS Delhi, INS Ranvir and INS Ranvijay-were warmly received by the Russian navy, but when asked about the exercises, they were told the Russians had no ships to spare. On a request from the Indian fleet, a face-saving 'table top exercise or a land-based simulation, was carried out.

    What rubbed salt in their wounds was that Russian warships sailed out for an exercise of their own, apparently belying their earlier claims. The cancelled exercise was hushed up even as the warships returned to Visakhapatnam.

    A befuddled Ministry of Defence (mod) was groping for answers when they were snubbed again. Last week, Russia informed the mod that it had cancelled the upcoming joint army exercises scheduled to be held in Russia in June. One of the reasons given was that the mod had not informed Moscow of the army exercises in advance.

    Petr Topychkhanov of the Carnegie Moscow Centre says the cancellation of the exercises does not reflect any change in relations with India. "One of the reasons could be the hard process of military reform in Russia. The Russian armed forces are unready for an international exercise at this stage," he says.

    Since 2003, India and Russia have conducted five of the Indra series military exercises between the armies and navies of both sides. The last such exercise was held between Russian and Indian army units in Uttarakhand in October last year. In sharp contrast, India has conducted over 60 military exercises with the US.

    Indian defence officials admit that exercises with Russia are largely symbolic but are an important barometer of healthy ties between the two sides. The strategic partnership with Russia still holds.

    Defence Minister A.K. Antony says that Delhi's proximity to Washington will not be at the cost of ties with Moscow. On the ground, however, ties have been on a roller-coaster ride. Russia is unhappy at losing a lucrative $10 billion contract for 126 multi-role medium combat aircraft. The IAF narrowed its choice to France's Rafale and Europe's Typhoon, ejecting US and Russian contenders. Topychkhanov does not rule out cancellation of the military exercises as a retort by the miffed Russians.

    Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik visited Moscow recently to inspect progress on the joint Indo-Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). The visit was also meant to mollify Russia and indicate India's commitment to the futuristic fighter which is expected to replace the most current fighter aircraft in the IAF's inventory when it is ready for squadron service in 2017.

    Relations between India and Russia soured in recent years over the extended deadline for the refit of the aircraft carrier, Admiral Gorshkov. The refit slipped by four years and the its cost doubled to $2.3 billion. The carrier will now be delivered late next year. Deadlines for the acquisition of an Akula-II class nuclear-powered submarine have slipped by over three years. India paid $670 million for completing the submarine under a 2003 contract. This month, a 100-man Indian crew that had gone to Vladivostok to bring the vessel back returned empty-handed. There is no word on when the strategic submarine, which the navy desperately needs, will be transferred to India. Russia is reportedly keen that India pay for the completion of a second unfinished Akula hull at the Komsomolsk shipyard. This has been turned down by the navy.

    The real issue is the poor sourcing of components for Russian-made equipment operated by the Indian armed forces. Over half the inventory of the three armed forces comprise equipment of Russian origin. "It takes nearly a year for us to get even export permissions from Russia. This severely impacts force preparedness," says a defence official.

    Some of India's consternation over these delays may have spilled over at a meeting between navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma and the visiting Russian navy chief, Admiral Sergeevich Vysotskiy, this January. Various department heads of the Indian navy read out the riot act on the poor serviceability of warships, aircraft and submarines to the Russian naval delegation. After the meeting, Vysotskiy privately conveyed his dismay at the ambush. The warning signs appeared at a recent joint meeting in Moscow when Russian defence officials refused to discuss military exercises. Evidently, it was a portent of the chill to come.
    http://gregmathews.livejournal.com/186483.html

    Posted 11 months ago on 02 Jun 2011 20:54 #
  2. Now this is interesting. Any break up in Indo-Russian relations can only be in favour of Pakistani interests. Bur, of course, in the convoluted politics of today's Russia, one never knows. It would be simply great if at the forthcoming June 15 meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) in Astana, Kazakhstan, Pakistan was admitted as a full-time member and India simply retained its observer status. But, I suppose, that's too much to hope for.

    Anyway, a rift between India and Russia will increase the former's dependence on the US at a time when Pakistan is slowly drifting away from its own fixation on US as the only possible partner it can ever hope. In the long run, this will help us to liberate ourselves further.

    Posted 11 months ago on 02 Jun 2011 22:04 #
  3. @Mirza Ghalib

    In the long run, this will help us to liberate ourselves further

    Well said brother, but in the meantime we have to scrutinize ourselfs on an individual level, upgrading our morals, standards from petty thieves to patriotic Pakistanis, while keep a close watch on event happenings around us.

    Posted 11 months ago on 02 Jun 2011 22:10 #
  4. Most definitely, Mirza Sahib, most definitely. Let's stop being thieves and become patriots at long last. As for observing events happening around us with all the attention they deserve and then drawing the right conclusions from them, these two elements are essential to our survival. There are days on which we are all inclined to extreme depression. Today happens to be one of those days when the opposite is true. Optimism for the future of Pakistan is more to the fore. And articles like the above help this feeling to grow.

    Posted 11 months ago on 02 Jun 2011 22:47 #
  5. Thanks Mirza Jee. You spoke my mind tbat I was so reluctant to so as not to stir up feelings of my fellow bloggers and be labeled once more, but then......

    Let us be realistic. We should develop relations with Iran, Afghanistan and Central Asia including Russia. This is East where a revolution is in...not a bloody revolution as had happened in France or Russia. This revolution is bound to be the revival of economy within Russia, China, Iran, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Burma, Malasia, Nepal, Srilanka etc...or do I sound like a mad man?

    Posted 11 months ago on 02 Jun 2011 23:00 #
  6. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    MG,

    Ever since the fall of communism, Pakistan tried its best to cultivate relationship with C. Asia but it got a rude response from the key players. China too takes part in C. Asian summits on "security" along with India. Please answer why is Pakistan excluded?

    India has its only airbase outside India in Tajikistan. Indian technocrats along with Western corporations are flooding C. Asia to taps its resources. No wonder it is called next El Dorado after MidEast oil. Even during Taliban rule, Pakistani politicians were saying that "get rid of Taliban so that we can trade with C. Asia and provide corridor to Arabian sea outlet". Even after the forced departure of Taliban, time and events have shown that Pakistan was repeatedly shunted aside by connivance of all the powers who are presently gathering in Astana. Also remember Russia "gave" independance to all of C. Asia after making sure that former communist apparatchiks are firmly entrenched in Power. India has too much stakes in C. Asia along with West, China and Russia. It will take another revolution in C. Asia to get rid of last traces of communism and that revolution is in the making. So just relax and do not pin too much hope on the Russian snubbing of India.

    Posted 11 months ago on 03 Jun 2011 1:25 #
  7. If you say so, AR, if you say so. But in the Greater Game, if I may put it that way, India has now become a liability for Russia. Surely you see that, too. This close alliance with US is not to Russia's liking. And finally, even Russians must have realised that they are better off with the Muslim peoples than with Hindu India. This is guesswork on my part, I grant you. And the Russians are a very complex naton, as you may or may not know, evenly divided between those who believe Russia's future lies in Asia and those who think Russia must affirm itself as a European country. Still, Russia's closest ally at the moment is China, if for no other reason than that your enemy's enemy is your friend. And China, whom you no doubt also consider an enemy of Islam, is a friend to Pakistan. So that gives some substance to the thought that the SCO will give Pakistan membership and sustain in it days ahead.

    AR, it strikes me that it is all too easy, this looking for enemies of Islam in outside countries. I often get the feeling that the greatest enemies of our religion are to be found within Muslim countries themselves. It's all very well to set up mosques in every neighbourhood. If, however, we observe no other tenets of our faith, turn sectarian warfare into a national sport and align ourselves with the very people who have killed more Muslims per square kilometre than any other, I don't see us as being true to the faith into which we were born.

    Whatever may be happening in C. Asia at the moment, tomorrow they will be part of the Muslim Ummah. They know it, we know it. Let them flirt with whomever they please for the time being. They will return to their great love when the time is ripe. Or do you doubt that, AR, you of all people?

    Posted 11 months ago on 03 Jun 2011 6:57 #
  8. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    The development of a strong Islamic block is indispensable. Unfortunately, the Muslim countries these days are interfering in the affairs of each other in a very negative manner rather than taking measures for the unity.

    Posted 11 months ago on 03 Jun 2011 11:23 #
  9. Definitely indispensable, HF. That is why I know in my bones that the Ummah has to reform and reassert itself. Otherwise survival for the Muslims of the world is itself compromised. Stupid, we may have become. But when it's a question of survival itself, instinct takes over. And instinct is a surer guide in such matters than our often brainwashed heads.

    Posted 11 months ago on 03 Jun 2011 11:31 #
  10. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    MG

    We are badly disunited on the basis of sectarianism, provincialism, regionalism, racism,,etc.. Unless we come out these yokes, we can't form unity to live respectably.

    Posted 11 months ago on 03 Jun 2011 11:51 #
  11. No, we can't, HF, that is for sure. But everything in its own good time. First the end of the wars and then the Renaissance of the Muslim lands.

    And now, since I brought up the SCO membership efforts of Pakistan later this month, here's how one journalist sees the outcome:

    Could India really join the SCO?
    Posted on 02 June 2011.

    June 16th will be a seminal event in the history of Central Asia. The six members of the SCO, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan will approve the admission of new members into the organization. Currently India, Pakistan, Iran and Mongolia have observer status.
    Iran’s application for full membership could not be considered because of sanctions. Afghanistan has applied for observer status.

    That leaves the other two aspirants that want to join the SCO. Pakistan was the first one to apply. Last year, the SCO authorized a mechanism would would allow new members to join the SCO. All countries of the SCO had approved Pakistan’s admission. Moscow was the only hold out. When Russia approved Islamabad’s application in Moscow during the visit of President Asif Zardari, Bharat put in its application as a full member. Bharat’s intention to join the SCO has surprised many US analysts. If Delhi wants to play the Beijing card, and wants to be helped as a counterweight to China, then it doesn’t make sense for Bharat to join the Russo-Chinese led club.

    We will all find out in a few weeks, whether Delhi’s application was real or not.

    Asif Zardari the Pakistani President will lead Islamabad’s delegation to the Summit of Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), being held in Astana, Kazakhstan on June 15.

    The Pakistan Foreign Office Spokesperson Tehmina Janjua, said the SCO Summit will celebrate the 10th anniversary of the founding of the organization. It is being reported that the SCO will begin negotiations with Pakistan, India and Iran for their full membership. Iran was told no last year. Pakistan has a unanimous yes from all members. China has reservations about Bharat.

    The process entails the publication of a memorandum which is to be approved by the SCO Secretary-General Muratbek Sansyzbayevich Imanaliev.The China Daily report quotes Imanaliev “we can start negotiations with the nations applying to join the SCO”. He also said “The SCO is an open organization as defined in its charter, he said, noting that it is willing to cooperate with “organizations and nations that hold the same opinions as us”.

    We would like to be on record to say that the world will be very surprised if Delhi actually does actually go for the membership. It may go through the initial motions to join the SCO, just to show that it can–but Delhi may not be able to join the SCO under US pressure

    Posted 11 months ago on 03 Jun 2011 11:55 #

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