Interesting part is Mullen appears to be accusing the government rather than isi in this case. He did accuse ISI earlier but now he is saying there is no evidence that links Saleem's murder with ISI.
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Saleem Shahzad
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bsobaid
MemberPosted 10 months ago on 07 Jul 2011 22:12 # -
USA General MULLAN BLAB the Salim Shahazad dead he told the USA media that shahzad killing with the blessing of Pakistan government so if the report was correct then PRESIDENT & PRIME MINISTER should be hanged in front of their castle.
Posted 10 months ago on 07 Jul 2011 22:37 # -
Can anyone tell what happened to this case? Media people were adamant on keeping this case in the light. But suddenly it disappeared from the radar. I was reading a comment on pkpolitics:
“Can he deny the fact that he was the one who warned, on behalf of his bosses, many media personnel recently of the dire consequences if they continue to speak against agencies after the torture and ultimate death of Saleem Shahzad by the hands of ISI?”
The contributor is pointing toward the representative of Bandooq Mafia, Haroon Rashid. Can anyone confirm this threat from other sources?
It seems that the root of the problem is somewhere else. You people are just wasting your time on Nooners, PTIers and Pee P P. If they can quite a group of journalists, they can also shut down the media. It is just a matter of time.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 15:34 # -
@azizi,
Focus has been on story that was published by Saleem Shahzad on Naval Base issue.
I think the more important story was his second last story, where he exposed how ISI will form next proxy government and how Haroon Rasheed patched up Imran Khan with ISI.
May be that story got him killed.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 15:40 # -
aftab arif
MemberLOL @ Rasheed When did you join Hasb-E-Haal?
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 15:50 # -
@aftab,
By Saleem Shahzad
A prominent Urdu media commentator of right-wing leanings (Haroon Rasheed), who is close to both Khan and army chief Kiani, arranged a series of meetings between the two which eventually led to a consensus around Khan becoming the next leader of the country.
While no formula was finalized, according to sources, general elections scheduled for February 2013 could be brought forward and a political alliance engineered that would result in a simple majority under which Khan would be installed as prime minister. Another scenario would be for Khan to take the lead in an interim government.
Khan's leadership role has found favor across Pakistan's political spectrum, including the Muttehada Quami Movement (MQM), the second-largest party in the ruling coalition and largest urban party in Sindh province. The Awami National Party (ANP), the largest Pashtun nationalist party, which governs Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa, and Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan and Jamiat-e-Ulema Islam, the two main Islamic parties, also back the role.
Read complete article here: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MD20Df01.html
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 17:09 # -
scandinavian
MemberFrom the same article
"Even in 2009, as all Pakistani politicians including Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz Group supported military operations in Swat, he insisted that they could only breed militancy. "
Noon supported military operations i.e. killing of their fellow citizens!
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 17:26 # -
@Scandinavian,
From same article, it is proven Imran Khan is puppet of same Military that actually kills fellow citizen.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 17:32 # -
aftab arif
Member@ Scandinavian
Anybody can write what they want, doesn't mean it's the gospel truth!!!
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 17:32 # -
@aftab,
Wasn't it you who always shared asia times stories by Saleem Shahzad? I might be mistaken.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 17:33 # -
aftab arif
Member@ rasheed
I did but this is what Pepe said!!!
http://atimes01.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MF02Df03.html
I had met some of his sources in Islamabad and Karachi - but over the years he kept excavating deeper and deeper into the shadows. Sometimes we seriously debated over e-mails - I feared some 'dodgy/devious ISI strands' were playing him while he always vouched for his sources.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 17:42 # -
@aftab,
So you kept fooling everyone at this forum by sharing dubious articles?
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 17:52 # -
@aftab,
I hope you were not his inside informant ;-)
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 17:54 # -
aftab arif
Member@ rasheed
I didn't fool anyone, but you have to use your brain and not your ******** to discern what is close to the truth and the story i have posted By Pepe was after the death of Shahzad, so it wasn't me who was saying that but his own colleague.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 18:02 # -
from Pepe's article:
Now they finally got him. Not an al-Qaeda or jihadi connection. Not a tribal or Taliban connection, be it Mullah Omar or Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. It had to be the ISI - as he knew, and told us, all along.
So congratulations to the ISI - the ''state within the state''. Mission accomplished.
Saleem Shahzad exposed Imran's alliance with Military/ISI and SS was eliminated by ISI. So Pepe actually confirms what I am saying?
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 18:08 # -
aftab arif
Member@ rasheed
No what you are saying and Pepe is saying are two different things, you are insinuating that Shahzad is saying the gospel truth about Imran coming close to COAS and Pepe is saying that Shahzad is being used by ISI.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 18:14 # -
@aftab,
What Saleem Shahzad was saying is confirmed through multiple sources, like PTI themselves, who claim that Pasha has met Imran Khan multiple times.
Haroon Rasheed has also confirmed that he was the one who introduced Imran Khan to ISI and Munter also confirmed that he met both Imran Khan and ISI.
Imran's own accusation against Hussain Haqqani was through ISI. Although Mohammad Malick from Jang Group claims that he told Imran Khan about Haqqani, but everyone knows how much Malick was blessed under military regime of Musharraf and how he become millionaire. There is no doubt about establishment's link to Imran Khan, as even Malick claiming to be informant is also establishment man.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 18:51 # -
Also fall of typical establishment's puppets like Mian Azhar and so many others into PTI is not a coincidence. Any blind can see what Saleem Shahzad told about Imran Khan as PM through establishment is becoming true.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 18:52 # -
@rasheed with Lota on green and red flag
My question still stands. Can someone confirm from a pseudo-authentic source that Haroon Rashid conveyed the Bandooq Mafia's threat to his fellow journalists?
The article you posted, we have gone through it long ago. I am talking about post Saleem-Shahzad-death-protest. Let's keep your obsession about PTI out for a while.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 19:03 # -
aftab arif
Member@ rasheed
Kashif Abbasi said Imran cannot be controlled by establishment as he is an uncontrollable missile and Ch Nisar agreed with him.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 19:06 # -
@azizi,
I saw some news just few days ago that all emails from SS's laptop were recovered.
The latest update from "Imtiaz Alam", a supporter of Musharraf and head of South Asian Free Media Association is that there will be no outcome of this case.
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/11/‘saleem-shahzad-murder-to-remain-a-mystery’/
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 19:18 # -
@aftab,
Imran can't even control himself based on the number of U-turns he has taken.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 19:19 # -
scandinavian
MemberIs Saleem Shahzad's claim proven in a court of law since rasheed is presenting it as "PROOF"?
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 19:21 # -
aftab arif
Member@ Scandinavian
We have been here before, you know all this Hawaii Firing. Of course the affidavit in SC is still present for 17 years but no initiative from Mia G to present himself in front of the courts, so chore machai shore is the rule of the day, EVERYDAY!!!
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 19:27 # -
scandinavian
Member@Aftab
To speak nooner language. Go to the courts to have Saleems claims proven ;)
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 19:43 # -
stingingnettle
MemberRasheed;
If you want to know who controls Imran, read some of the relevant disclosures on Wikileaks.
The invisible monster of establishment is wreaking havoc on your fragile brain.
Posted 6 months ago on 27 Nov 2011 21:11 # -
Stratfor emails leaked by Wikileak says Saleem Shehzad was CIA agent.
Appendix: The Global Intelligence Files (WikiLeaks)
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1644311_re-pakistan-journalist-vanishes-is-the-isi-involved-.html
On Monday February 27th, 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Files, over five million e-mails from the Texas headquartered “global intelligence” company Stratfor. The e-mails date between July 2004 and late December 2011. They reveal the inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal’s Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defence Intelligence Agency. The emails show Stratfor’s web of informers, pay-off structure, payment laundering techniques and psychological methods.
Re: Pakistan Journalist Vanishes: Is the ISI Involved?
Email-ID
1644311
Date
2011-06-01 15:50:16
From
To
sean.noonan@stratfor.com, hoor.jangda@stratfor.com, secure@stratfor.com
The most interesting aspect is the killing of a journalist. Fine line
between an investigative journalist and spy. When you rattle around
topics nobody wants aired, you pay the price. Truth tellers always get
shot. Its much easier to lie or make up stories.On 6/1/2011 8:46 AM, Sean Noonan wrote:
i don’t think we’re going anywhere with this SSS thing, though it is
interesting.
On 6/1/11 8:41 AM, Fred Burton wrote:The poor **** went down the rabbit hole and was neutralized.
ISI is fully infiltrated by sympathizers and operatives. So, he was
killed by ISI. Will we find a smoking gun? No. Will anybody care
about this dude? Not really. The Agency lost an asset. Life goes
on. There is a reason the CIA set up unilateral operations in
Pakistan.Suggest everyone read David Ignatius new book on CIA NOC and front
company operations in Pakistan. Once again, he has gotten dead
right.On 6/1/2011 8:06 AM, Sean Noonan wrote:
the question, though, is still who did it.
It means very different things if it is the ISI, the traditional
military, or the jihadists. Then a question of who within those
groups can also mean different things. Not saying we can answer that
very easily, but who specifically killed who (with the support of
who) would explain if there is an issue or not. Operating between
the intelligence services and jihadists is a very, very dangerous
place- so it’s not all that surprising that these deaths occur. And
as tensions go up, so will those deaths. But we would have to know
the same people were involved in the deaths to really know what ‘the
issue’ actually is.
On 6/1/11 7:59 AM, Kamran Bokhari wrote:The issue is not the man himself (though I am personally spooked
out because I knew him and we met not too long ago and he wrote on
my fb wall a day before he went missing). Instead the issue is the
growing number of deaths of people who have been supportive of
jihadists. Recall KK and Col Imam and now Triple-S. The other
thing is that each of these 3 people were with the ISI at one
point. A former army chief confirmed to me that SSS was at one
point on the payroll. Each of these guys had a falling out with
the official ISI but maintained links deep within the service.
These guys have also had ties to jihadists of one type while
pissing off other more radical types.Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From: Fred Burton
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 07:51:53 -0500 (CDT)
To: Sean Noonan
Cc: Secure List
Subject: Re: Pakistan Journalist Vanishes: Is the ISI Involved?http://www.plutobooks.com/display.asp?K=9780745331010&
Note his May 20 book release.
He was living on borrowed time operating in the belly of the
beast. His last interview is telling. Regardless, he’s dead.
Life on the edge.On 6/1/2011 6:34 AM, Sean Noonan wrote:
Did y’all read his most recent story?
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ME27Df06.html
These three stories are pretty good on his death and what was
going on:http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2074800,00.html#ixzz1NxHaX4xA
Just throwing ideas out here. This is such a clusterfuck I
don’t know what to think.His next was to be “Next: Recruitment and training of militants
” So who was doing the recruitment and training, huh?
If it’s anything like the first half, it sounds like he’s going
to accuse someone in the Pakistani military. Maybe they wanted
to stop that?Excerpt of new book on AQ and friends. Says the Mumbai plan was
ISI’s and a dude under Kashmiri at LeT carried it out:http://www.syedsaleemshahzad.com/2011/05/who-masterminded-mumbai-attack/
It seems just as likely jihadists could go after him for
exposing their location (or that they thought he exposed it).
The reports I’ve read through of ‘torture’ were really just that
he had been hit in the face. That’s probably pretty typical of
any militant or criminal outfit, and while the other reports of
his ISI meetings were more peaceful, it wouldn’t be that
difficult for them to go that far either.Here’s his email to the HRW:
http://asiancorrespondent.com/56321/saleem-shahzad-dead-another-one-bites-the-dust/
For future reference:
Meeting details as on October 17, 2010 at the ISI headquarters
Islamabad between DG Media Wing ISI, Rear Admiral Adnan Nazir
and Syed Saleem Shahzad, the Bureau Chief Pakistan for Asia
Times Online (Hong Kong). Commodore Khalid Pervaiz, the Deputy
Director General of Media Wing ISI was also present during the
conversation.Agenda of the meeting: discussion on Asia Times Online story
published on October 15, 2010, titled Pakistan frees Taliban
commander (seehttp://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LJ16Df02.html).
The meeting discussed the following issues.
1-Syed Saleem Shahzad told Rear Admiral Adnan that an
intelligence channel leaked the story. However, he added that
story was published only after a confirmation from the most
credible Taliban source. Syed also explained that DG ISPR was
sent a text message about the story, but he did not respond.2- Rear Admiral Adnan Nazir had the view that story caused a lot
of embracement for the country but observed that issuing a
denial from the government side is no solution. He suggested
Syed Saleem Shahzad should write a denial of the story.3- Syed Shahzad refused to comply with demand and termed it
impractical.4-Rear Admiral Adnan was curious to know the source of the story
as it is a shame that information would leak from the office of
a high profile intelligence service.5- Syed Shahzad called it an intelligence leak but did not
specify the source.6-The conversation was held in an extremely polite and friendly
atmosphere and there was no mince word in the room at any stage.
Rear Admiral Adnan Nazir also offered Syed Saleem Shahzad a
favor in following words.“I must give you a favor. We have recently arrested a terrorist
and have recovered a lot of data, dairies and other material
during the interrogation. The terrorist had a hit list with him.
If I find your name in the list, I will certainly let you know,”(end of email)
On 5/31/11 7:56 PM, burton@stratfor.com wrote:
I’m sure the ISI extracted a confession of his CIA work before
he died. There will be a leaked story about his double agent
work and the Pakis rub the CIA’s nose in it. Its what intel
agencies do. **** for tat. The world will soon forget him.
Price one pays for playing the game.Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From: “Kamran Bokhari”
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:36:07 -0500 (CDT)
To: Reva Bhalla; Kamran
Bokhari
ReplyTo: bokhari@stratfor.com
Cc: Secure List; Fred
Burton
Subject: Re: Pakistan Journalist Vanishes: Is the ISI
Involved?
Pretty big one. Domestic and int’l media ****-storm about how
ISI brutally killed a journalist who uncovered ties between
navy and aQ. The big thing now is aQ penetration of ISI.Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From: Reva Bhalla
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:29:03 -0500 (CDT)
To:
Cc: Secure List; Fred
Burton
Subject: Re: Pakistan Journalist Vanishes: Is the ISI
Involved?
is it that much of a crisis?———————————————————————-
From: “Kamran Bokhari”
To: “Fred Burton” , “Kamran Bokhari”Cc: “Secure List”
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:28:02 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Pakistan Journalist Vanishes: Is the ISI
Involved?Yes, he is dead. But the question is why create this new
crisis when there are no shortages of crises.Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From: Fred Burton
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:28 -0500 (CDT)
To: Kamran Bokhari
Cc: Secure List
Subject: Re: Fwd: Pakistan Journalist Vanishes: Is the ISI
Involved?
I’m not surprised. Have we confirmed he’s dead?On 5/31/2011 7:16 PM, Kamran Bokhari wrote:
Heard that the ISI agents who were “interrogating” him
didn’t realize he had a heart condition and when they began
the thrashing the guy had a heart attack and died.
On 5/31/2011 2:17 PM, Fred Burton wrote:A reasonable man would conclude that the chap was on the
CIA dole, but you did not hear that from me. Payback is a
****.——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Pakistan Journalist Vanishes: Is the ISI
Involved?
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:15:00 -0500
From: Fred Burton
To: OSFears are growing for the safety of a well-known Pakistani journalist
who has been missing for 39 hours now and, according to an international
advocacy group, is believed to be in the custody of Pakistan’s
controversial Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Human
Rights Watch declared that Syed Saleem Shahzad, a reporter working for
the Hong Kong-based Asia Times Online and Adnkronos International, the
Italian news agency, could be subject to mistreatment and even torture
while in custody.UPDATE: Pakistan’s main news channels are reporting that Shahzad’s dead
body has been found. One news channel broadcast what appeared to be a
black and white image of Shahzad’s face. There were visible signs of
torture..Read more:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2074800,00.html#ixzz1NxHaX4xA
–
Sean Noonan
Tactical Analyst
Office: +1 512-279-9479
Mobile: +1 512-758-5967
Strategic Forecasting, Inc.
Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 1:59 # -
qaisernadeem
MemberThe latest revelations by wikileaks are interesting, it reveals are lot about how secret agencies work against each other.
Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 2:06 # -
I strongly condemn the killing of Saleem Shahzad but at the same time it exposes why yanks were jumping up and down and making so much noise on his death and there was not a single word uttered on Wali Khan Babar's killing
Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 2:10 # -
qaisernadeem
MemberWell, I am a bit hesitant now to condemn this murder because I am not sure if he wasn't killed for his journalism. If he was than this is a heinous murder and must be condemned but these wikileaks say otherwise.
If you play with fire, you get burned.
Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 2:15 # -
It would be very interesting to know who are the other CIA agents or other agencies agents in the journalistic community in Pakistan.
I wonder if Wikileaks has published any other emails of STRATFOR exposing those "ASSETS"
Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 2:25 # -
bsobaid
MemberFj,
May be i am missing something here or not reading it carefully. Can you show me where it says ss was cia agent?
Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 3:33 # -
qaisernadeem
MemberObaid Sb.
ISI is fully infiltrated by sympathizers and operatives. So, he was
killed by ISI. Will we find a smoking gun? No. Will anybody care
about this dude? Not really. The Agency lost an asset. Life goes
on. There is a reason the CIA set up unilateral operations in Pakistan.And this:
I’m sure the ISI extracted a confession of his CIA work before
he died. There will be a leaked story about his double agent
work and the Pakis rub the CIA’s nose in it. Its what intel agencies do. **** for tat. The world will soon forget him. Price one pays for playing the game.Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 3:42 # -
bsobaid
MemberHmmmm,.....
Its not quite clear to me from the extracts you posted that he was an agent or not....He may be...who knows...
Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 3:55 # -
qaisernadeem
MemberAgency lost an asset?
That seems pretty clear to me!
Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 4:10 # -
Bawa
Member@ Qaiser Nadeem
Agency lost an asset?That seems pretty clear to me!
ڈرا نہ کریں - کھل کر جنرل پاشا کا نام لیا کریں
Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 8:02 # -
bsobaid
MemberYes, agency lost an asset also got me thinking....
Apni harkatoo se saleem shehzaad aik agent lagta thaa....
Posted 2 months ago on 11 Mar 2012 14:01 #
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