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iamsowise
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Rehman Malik said on Dunya News That 'the bomb attack on Muharam Jaloos in Karachi was Planned by Lashkr-e-Jhangvi , Jaish Muhammad, Sipah-e-Sahaba and Pakistani Taliban.'
He said that rite after few minutes of explosion.

what he has done in last two years except increasing his own security?

How Pakistan Interior Minister Helped US Embassy Import Illegal Weapons
On US Ambassador Anne W. Patterson's personal request, Interior Minister Rehman Malik kept Pakistan's security agencies in the dark and helped the US embassy in Islamabad create and equip private American-run militias with sophisticated weapons that are prohibited in the country outside military use.
http://groups.google.com.pk/group/paknationalists/browse_thread/thread/825bf8af321eea84

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 14:36 #
toamin
member

A must watch
http://pkpolitics.com/2009/12/27/meray-mutabiq-27-december-2009/

Rahman Malik totally exposed!

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 14:41 #
shahzad1924
member

the Americans in collusion with the traitorous political and military leadership of Pakistan are planning to make Pakistan another Iraq.

this has been in the making for quite some time and i have been saying this since Gen. Petraeus was made the chief of CENTCOM.

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 14:43 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I agree.

It is said Rehman Malik + Ahmad Mukhtar (Defense minister) are the main people supporting US's war in Afghanistan from Pakistan's side.

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 14:47 #
Shock
Members

Is there any doubt that LJ and SSP are not involved? They are pro at doing these things as they have done for years. Sectarian violence is not new. The tactic of blaming outsiders is used by extremist to divert attention away from these groups. If Rehman Malik was to claim that foreign hand is involved then we would believe him, but he has blaimed LJ for this, which we don't want to agree with. I don't know why we have so much unconditional love for these extremist organizations.

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 21:11 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Rehman Malik's credibility is dubious. He is not someone who can be trusted.

@Shock: That should give you the general idea.

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 21:19 #
Shock
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@hariskhan

He is corrupt, but he is in the government. Nobody believed that Baitullah killed Benzair until Gilani himself admitted, somebody who didn't want to believe the government version at the first place. I know one thing for sure that nobody would blow himself up in a pocession in the orders of America. This is a work of sectarian organizations such as SSP and LJ, and government has failed to control them.

Posted 2 years ago on 28 Dec 2009 21:42 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

@Shock,
Do u have any proof ?
Plz Stop speculating and don't spread Rumors!
Who ever was the Pawn and the Master behind are not MUSLIMS and people like them should be hanged!
Killing of any innocent Human is like Killing of all ManKind....

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 0:16 #
Fahim23
Member

@KHAN_Sahib

"Who ever was the Pawn and the Master behind are not MUSLIMS"

How are you so sure they are not Muslims? What do you think of "muslims"? A pure, angelic, holy cow like creatures?

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 0:22 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

@Fahim23:

I am so disappointed with your Question! I thought u had a higher IQ then an average person! But let me explain that to you...

For example, A suicide bomber who claims himself as a Muslim, with a muslim name like (Fahim,Khan,Rehman Malik) and may be a beard too.... blow himself in a shopping center or school or mosque may THINK that he is a Muslim or he has died like a Shaheed but in fact he is not Muslim and neither he is a Shaheed. A Muslim will never harm anyone or kill anyone except when in a battle field / Jihad. There is no JIHAD in killing innocent civilians specially in a muslim country.
*Baat samj may na aye tou phir pooch laina lakin aynda muslims of holy cows say compare karney kee zaroorat nahee hay kayoun kay iss say aik indian hindu honey ke boo atee hay!

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 0:44 #
Fahim23
Member

@KHAN_Sahib

I don't know what was your intentions and I'd not even try to read them when you wrote "they are not muslims". But this argument of yours is very often used by the Terrorist apologists who say that whatever is happening in our country is the great conspiracy of America, Jews and India. They are not muslims or Pakistanis, they are CIA, RAW and mosad agents. By this they imply that there is nothing wrong with us and we are pure, angelic and holy cow like people.

So I was trying to highlight the mentality of "Denial" in which most of our country men live. We think that just because we have uttered some words and claim to be followers of certain religion, we are in some way superior then the rest of people.

Muslims of today IMO like any ignorant and inhumane people are capable of doing things which we can't even imagine! Sooner we realize it and start educating our people the better!

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 1:06 #
shahzad1924
member

i think the discussion is leading somewhere else...

the discussion is not whether they were good Muslims or bad Muslims or not Muslims at all...

the discussion is, who was behind it. and from the outlook it looks like Petreaus' Iraq plan. and Rehman Malik saying that LeJ and SSP etc. are involved in it within minutes of the blast is a big evidence in this direction.

the US wants to divide the Muslims on sectarian lines so that they can stay in this region for long. that is their long term objective. and such blasts are one "style" of their greater plan.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 4:57 #
toamin
member

There is no such thing as american/indian conspiracy, they have hundreds of thousands of troops on AFPAK ground and their lives are at stake.

To ensure the safety of their men they will take actions necessary to ensure it.

So let us get out of conspiracy mentality and analyze why they have hundreds of thousands of solders on ground and what do they mean by AFPAK?

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 5:16 #
Shock
Members

@Salam

The sectarian violence existed way before those troops arrived in Afghanistan. We just do not want to accept the truth.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 5:27 #
toamin
member

Right Shock, that possibility can not be ruled out, but why is it that now a days everything is linked with american interests in the region?

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 5:31 #
shahzad1924
member

what sectarian violence? an unknown man comes on a motorcycle, pulls over, fires bullets on a cleric, runs away never to be seen again.....you call that sectarian violence.

Pakistan never had and never will have "sectarian violence"!

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 5:39 #
netengr
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This is the truth ,There have been Shia-Sunni violence and Punjabi Taliban Sipah Sahaba and Lashker-e-Jhangwi are involved in killing and suicide bombing of shias .
despite of the differences with common shia and sunni but no one wants fight or WAr between them ,This is punjabi Taliban who has been creating this problem since 20 years .

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 5:51 #
Shock
Members

@Salam

Because, we don't want to go after these terrorist organizations (LJ, LET, SSP). So now we have found this excuse (American interest) to protect these terrorists for an unknown reason.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 6:00 #
toamin
member

Right, we do not want to go after terrorist organizations. Some are terrorists for afghan invaders and some are for Pakistani people.

Our army does go after those organizations that are terrorizing afghan invaders, but they are protecting the very organizations that are spreading terrorism in Pakistan, I hope I don't have to name them here.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 6:02 #
iamsowise
Commenter

@ This is the truth ,There have been Shia-Sunni violence and Punjabi Taliban Sipah Sahaba and Lashker-e-Jhangwi are involved in killing and suicide bombing of shias .'

suicide bomber killed 50 people in Moon market Lahore
Is Moon market belongs to Shias?
Bomb blast killed more then 200 civilians in meena Bazaar Peshawar
Is Meena Bazaar belongs to Shias?

Suicide bombers are spreading terrorism they dont't care about Sunis or Shias.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 8:18 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Fahim23: From what I'v read from your recent posts on a couple of threads, I see you establishing the case for equal representation of minorities in a Muslim majority country.

Do you believe non-Muslims don't discriminate based on their 'interests', based on their 'colour', based on their 'religion' ?

They don't even care about 'religion'. Western nations/Capitalists don't care about 'morals'. Islam is a 'DEEN' by the way.

What incentive or reasoning do Muslims have to allow the frivolous crap you'r suggesting when the opposite is not acceptable to them ?

Why do Muslim and poor nations not have any representation in the UN Security Council? Why do only a few nations have the veto power ?

Isn't the west implementing the rule of 'might is right' ?

..and you want us to give them equal representation in our land ? What kind of crack are you on ?

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 9:00 #
shahzad1924
member

PRESS STAEMENT

Karachi bomb blast – another terrorist attack by Blackwater!

By conducting bomb blasts all over Pakistan America wants to continue this war of Fitnah

Hizb ut-Tahrir condemns the bomb attack on Muharram procession in Karachi. Everyone in Pakistan is now aware of the fact that America and its notorious private army, Blackwater, is behind these types of blasts in the universities, mosques, market places and processions. It is the same private army that openly conducted massacres and tried to inflame sectarian violence in Iraq. And today America with the help of the treacherous rulers of Pakistan is orchestrating bomb blasts all over Pakistan to provide justification for the so-called War on Terror and to build public opinion for this American war who’s fuel are the tribal people and the soldiers of the Pakistan Army. American secretary of defence Robert Gates himself alluded to this strategy. He said: "The more they get attacked internally, just like this terrible attack in Rawalpindi at the mosque, the more open they may be to additional help from us.” (VoA). No doubt the bomb blasts in Pakistan are solely in American interest and through them she is was able to build public opinion in favour of her War of Terror. The responsibility of Karachi blasts purely falls upon the Pakistani government who release the murderers of Blackwater after “photo-shoots” instead of putting them behind bars. They are free to roam about in all major cities with weapons and import suspicious boxes to Pakistan without any custom clearance or inspection. Moreover, for many years Americans enjoyed full immunity to go in and out of Pakistan without any immigration checks. Currently American forces are still present in Terbela and Sihala and she is building a military base stretching on 56 acres of land in Islamabad under the guise of embassy. Moreover, another military base in Jacobabad is under construction on war-footings. All these facts are no longer hidden from the eyes of the people that’s why they directly hold Zardari and Gillani government responsible for these blasts. O Muslims! For how long would to watch your country being destroyed before your own eyes? For how long will you continue to run around in hospitals carrying the torn corpses of your wives, children and the elderly on your shoulders? Don’t you wish to lead an honourable and dignified life? Rise and mobilize to eject America from the region. And the only practical way to get rid of America is to uproot the current agent rulers and establish the Khilafah. We also demand from the Army that instead of being a silent spectator they should fulfil the obligation of protecting Islam and Muslims. It is Army’s responsibility to uproot this kufr system and give nusrah to Hizb ut-Tahrir for the establishment of the Khilafah so that we could get rid of America.

Naveed Butt

The Official Spokesman of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Pakistan

http://www.htmediapk.page.tl/New-Press-Release.htm

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 14:59 #
zingaro
Member

Well in my opinion it was not some thing sectarian violence. It was just an opportunity which terrorists utilized to panic the public and create chaos in the country. You see when terrorists attacked on Police schools, GHQ or Prade Lane mosque, were they all Shia centers? No not at all rather may be most of the people died in such blasts and attacks, belonged to Deobandi Maslak. So the things must not be mixed. It was just a terrorist act.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 15:09 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

There has been zero sectarian violence in Pakistan since MMA's government came into power, or since the year 2000.

I heard, read about events in the 1990s, but since 2000 and later, there has been negligible sectarian violence in Pakistan.

Those trying to paint a sectarian picture to current events of violence should be noted and investigated for malign designs/intentions, their past should be checked thoroughly.

Posted 2 years ago on 29 Dec 2009 15:52 #
toamin
member

Surprisingly, the districts of Pakistan notorious for Sunni/Shia fasaad remained peaceful and all went fine.

Perhaps Karachi was targeted on this occasion to achieve multiple goals:

1- Give it a color of shia/sunni fasaad to incite hatred among different segments of society

2- Bring people of Karchi out for support in favor of America's War on Terror

3- Push Pak Army to launch more military operations in the areas that are Pak Friendly, areas that are loyal to Pakistan and areas that are protecting Pakistan.

4- Hit economic hub to hit the economy

I am quite sure that our military commanders are aware of the game plan and will take necessary measures to outmaneuver these moves.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 3:41 #
kq
Member

hariskhan,

"There has been zero sectarian violence in Pakistan since MMA's government came into power, or since the year 2000."

Well, that is the most pathetic comment i have read from you so far. Really were you living under some rock, since 2000. With people like you around, we don't need any enemies. Your ignorance and fantasies are enough to destroy us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Pakistan
Go through this list. You'll see a long number of sectarian attacks in which the major victims are Shias. The attacks range from target killings to suicide bombings, many of them occurring during the MMA govt.

As for the MMA govt. you'll find that the severity of sectarian violence has actually increased since they came to power in 2002. They turned a blind eye towards the terrorists present within and continued to blame foreign hand for all the violence. They were and are out of touch with reality and their govt. was an abysmal failure.

Lastly, a taste of your medicine, 'What kind of crack are you on ?'

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 4:08 #
Shock
Members

@Salam

If going after extremist groups such as SSP, and LJ means supporting American War on Terror, then I don't see why not? It is these groups that are responsible for such attacks, and you just can't stop defending them. If this was happening in another country, lets take America for example or any other western country, their people along with their government would never tolerate such incident, not for a moment.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 4:18 #
toamin
member

dear shock,

i am against sectarian violence and i condemn such violence.

If it is sectarian violence, then why not govt present it as sectarian violence? Why is govt linking this sectarian violence with american war?

The districts with history of sectarian tension remained peaceful because both sides made agreements and that is a very good success.

If this is a sectarian violence then don't you think it would have been happening other areas too? Why just Karachi which has no such history?

In a 170 million country with millions of shia having just one blast in karachi is not sectarian activity, it is terrorist activity and same activity of blackwater as done in peshwr & lahore, this time they targeted karachi for the reasons i gave above.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 4:25 #
kq
Member

salam,

"If this is a sectarian violence then don't you think it would have been happening other areas too? Why just Karachi which has no such history?"

Are you really saying Karachi has no history of sectarian violence. Man, i thought you were more informed and mature then this. Its really shocking how you have completely disregarded and distorted history.

Do you know that more then a hundred Shiite professionals have been killed in Karachi in target killings since the 90s. Do you know that suicide bombings happened in 2004 in Masjid-e-Hyderi and Imambargah Ali Raza killing dozens of Shiites. Do you know many religious leaders have been assasinated in Karachi. Do you know that a major suicde bombing occurred on Eid Millad-un-Nabi in Nishtar Park.

If this not a history of sectarian violence, what is it. The process has been continuing since 90s, with many suicide bombers actually identifed and many plotters arrested. Are you going to say Blackwater did all these historical events. Accept the truth, there are criminal sectarian organizations which hate Shias and are killing them, stop blaming Blackwater. I know you can do this.

Also, it has been happening in other areas. Just read the news over the last 5 days. A suicide attack in Rawalpindi on a majlis killing a few people, another suicide attack in Muzaffarbad killing a dozen. How can you disregard such events and claim nothing has happened. You are being deliberately apologetic for these attacks on Shiites, shame on you.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 4:38 #
toamin
member

dear kq,

first i request you to tone down a little, you seem quite upset. if it is because of karachi incident then i am sorry.

secondly, i think it needs to be explained what does sectarian tension or problem means.

districts such as jhang or hangu where there are considerable shia communities exist have history of t-i-t for t-a-t activities.

target killing is karachi's hallmark, these targeted killings happen there, but to associate nishtar park incident with sacterion violence is unfair. i hope you would understand that sunni tehreek accused MQM on that.

last but not least, this is a targetted attempt with a particular objective, it is not shia/sunni tension it is destabilize pakistan goal.

thx

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 4:53 #
kq
Member

salam,

I am not upset but amazed at how you have just disregarded the history of sectarian violence in Karachi, and also the other sectarian suicide bombing on the Shiite processions in the last 5 days, in Pindi and Muzaffarabad, and said nothing happened in the country and this is a one off event. You are deliberately distorting and neglecting facts in order to peddle your sorry viewpoint. You donot even admit that you are wrong, and when proof is presented to you, all you can respond is that i should tone it down. Really, i thought you had better brains then this.

I am a Karachiite and know much better then you who the ST blamed for Nishtar Park bombing. They blamed MQM for letting the event happen, but they blame hardline Deobandi groups like SSP and LJ as the plotters and executers. Do you know that founder of ST Saleem Qadri was assassinated by SSP, this is a fact, or are you going to say he was killed by Blackwater.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 5:14 #
toamin
member

You were giving examples of what is known as target killing which happens on various grounds for example mqm targets ppp and ppp targets mqm etc etc

This incident that happened in Karachi is giving a lot of benefit to the salesmen of war.

As you can see that the salesmen of war started immediately to fuel the war and rally people towards the job assigned to them.

I am trying to broaden the picture which you are trying to shrink by saying it is something common history.

No, not something common history, this crime is well planned and target was well chosen to achieve the aims I have listed above.

Thx

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 5:21 #
Shock
Members

@Salam

I agree that it is the government's responsibility to ensure peace. I kinda feel that I don't really care about the people died, but instead I trying to win an argument with you. I really pray for the people died. In our country 20 to 30 dieing is no longer a big deal.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 5:23 #
toamin
member

@Shock,

Not trying to win or lose argument, trying to assess the reality with respect to other geopolitical developments.

Thinking in a closed box and suppress the issue as common sectarian violence will lead to suppressing of the truth.

Why not govt/army crack down on the foreign networks that they protect?

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 5:28 #
Shock
Members

@Salam

Again, we cannot blame forigners when our country is filled with LEJ, LET, SSP, LJ, LI, and TTP etc.

"Thinking in a closed box and suppress the issue as common sectarian violence will lead to suppressing of the truth."

I agree, but the other way around. Simply putting blackwater or foriegners in this attack will do the same. Government should cleans our country from forign elements, but it shouldn't ignore the domestic ones, which are more lethal.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 5:34 #
shahzad1924
member

the local elements were "out of work" before America came along. the best solution would be to kick out America from this region, implement khilafah which would guarantee employment opportunities for the locals thereby ending the vicious circle we have got ourselves into.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 5:38 #
toamin
member

Shock,

Before we blame these groups, how about answering below question?

How can it be possible that RANGERS, POLICE and other authorities siege the area during ashura procession all ROADS and roof of BUILDINGs under law eforcement then some people came and fired the building and shops from light house to Bolton Martket area approximately 2 kilometer. 3000 shops under fire who is the responsible?

There is just so much plan in this targeted attack that i can't accept the old rhetorics.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 5:39 #
kq
Member

salam,

Ok, are Masjid-e-Hyderi and Imambargah Ali Raza examples of target killing which happens on various grounds for example mqm targets ppp and ppp targets mqm etc etc. You're making no sense at all, dream on.

Salesman of war. Are you sure who are the salesman of war. Can i ask you are SSP and LEJ salesman of peace, we should'nt fight them at all, don't we know their history and why don't you want to believe that they could do this.

Isn't this what the religious leaders been continuously doing, broadening the picture, that its all a foreign conspiracy. You know all the evidence is contrary to this.
Just look at the history of sectarian violence and the persons that have been arrested and the suicide bombers traced. Just look at what happened in Lal Masjid were they really peaceful, just look at Swat (is TTP Swat actually Blackwater?), just look at the Tribal Areas, are Blackwater killing all the tribal lashkars opposing the Taliban and did you forget when the Taliban captured Pak Army soldiers in the starting years of the war they would behead the Shia soldiers and eventually let the others go, just look at how ANP has been targeted in NWFP, did Blackwater kill them.

The truth is the enemy is from within. You cannot present a single shred of evidence that US or Blackwater is behind all this. You believe in conspiracy theories, i believe in facts. Believe whatever u want.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 5:45 #
toamin
member

An evidence is presented above, please do not miss to read it if you can read/understand urdu.

Furthermore please watch this Talat Hussain's program, it is quite balanced program and tells what happened.

http://pkpolitics.com/2009/12/29/live-with-talat-29-december-2009/

Enemy is within, yes, and the enemy has the protection from civil/army institutions.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 5:48 #
kq
Member

Well atleast you agree the enemy is from within, whoever it is but he is from within us. Now stop blaming Blackwater and foreign hand for everything.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 6:03 #
toamin
member

Right, you have pointed them out correctly in your post above -BW & DynCorp etc...

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 6:06 #
kq
Member

salam,

Enjoy living in your conspiracy land. Now Blackwater is a Pakistani organization, really lame.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 6:21 #
toamin
member

Not conspiracy, there are hundreds of thousands of foreign troops on ground and in order to protect them and ensure their security they will take actions necessary to do that.

Iraqi model was a success for them and they want to now try it over on Pakistan under codename AFPAK, these are real life experiences!

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 6:30 #
Beenai
Moderator

Rehman Malik ,if has any thing ,named consciouses would have been resigned so far .
but he has proved that he has nothing ,in the name of Zameer .

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 6:43 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@kq: Most of the events you cite using the wikipedia url occurred in Punjab, some in Sindh, places where MMA had no power.

You can compare the number of events, the frequency of their occurrence, before and after MMA came into power. I'm sure you'll note a sharp decline.

First, you can't blame MMA for not 'administering' a province where people didn't bring MMA into power. Imparting justice after an event of violence is responsibility of those who are entrusted with power. MMA can't simply decide on its own to stretch out of its limits, resolve governance issues of other provinces. Unfortunately, no Pakistani would accept that from MMA.

Secondly, yes, MMA could mediate between parties. That would have been a 'private' affair. Also, it requires consent of both parties. As 'Salam' brother has already pointed out, both parties made bilateral pacts to bring down the number of these events.

I will retract my claim i.e., events didn't take place. I will say, such events occurred in much! less! number, in that period. Plus there was no credible incident of this sort in provinces where MMA had power.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 8:39 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

ALL the religious scholars who were 'murdered in Karachi, that you speak of, you are in-fact telling how 'ineffective' governance was of that place, at the time.

Why didn't the government of the time catch and punish the culprits ? Why ?

The governors of that place should have been thrown! out! by! the people!. The people should! have demanded! justice, urgent justice.

Why do the same people remain in power in Sindh, in Karachi, if they can't resolve local matters ?

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 8:49 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@kq: If people were getting punished for killing others, does common sense tell you that this situation would continue ? NO! it wouldn't.

Why were those who murdered others, not punished ? They should! have been HANGED!!! for murdering others. Why is the ruling party always quiet on these murders ?

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 8:54 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@kq: The more incidents you mention, the more you establish the case of bad governance.

The people ruling at the time should have arrested the people, brought them up for a trial in the court of law, charged! them with the crime, gotten them convicted, and finally they should!!! have been HANGED!!! in OPEN PUBLIC!!!

This would have sent a crystal clear signal to ALL!! other people who want kill others, regardless of the reasons, to think twice before they did it.

Again, why didn't the government of the time impart justice ?

Why are these targeted killings allowed to continue without anyone facing reprisals ? Doesn't it seem odd, that this pathetic! situation continues decade after decade ?

Who is going to be blamed for this ? First, I would blame the government, then the leaders of these movements.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 9:01 #
M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
Member

While recent non-religious and ethnocentric rulers such as Musharaf and Zardari nor have any Ideology and neither have any courage to go in masses and are even unable to control the affairs of the Capital of Pakistan,Islamabad and the city of Rawalpindi where the General Head Quarter of Pakistan Army is located, because these rulers have chronically failed in proving their sincerity with Islam, Muslims and the people of Pakistan ,Which was proved on the day of Death of Benazir Bhutto,when workers and supporters of these non-religious leaders committed each and every crime against the innocent and peaceful citizens of Pakistan, both Musharaf who was in power at that time and Zardari who was the successor of Benazir chronically failed in protecting the assets and citizens from their violent supporters, therefore now how people of Pakistan can support and trust such selfish and deceptive leaders.
Again on 28--12-09 after suicidal attack on Muharram Procession,so many damage to lives and property of people occured,and foolish excuses were made such as firbrigade were called from Hyderabad to extinguish fire whereas M.A.JINNAH road starts from the edge of sea of water and there was no shortage of water more over huge water pipe lines were present in that area but deliberately fire was not extinguished and excuse that there was straight firing therefore police and rangers were unable to control area,its mean police and rangers are just to control innocent people and not to control out laws,From all this it is clear that Pakistan is under the rule of those who are no committed to Pakistan and its people.

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 9:09 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Reading M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI's post above, reminds me of the;

1) criminal negligence of those ruling over the place/province

When Sindhi people vote Ishra-ul-ibad into power in Sindh, a person well known for the murders he committed, how can they complain to the rest of Pakistan for justice ?

The city mayor conveniently tells talk show hosts he doesn't have police under his control, so he couldn't do anything about it. The provincial government controled it. Well Mr. Mayor, why doesn't the city mayor resign in protest on occurrence of such events ?

MMA's entire provincial cabinet resigned, ALL! ministers, when Musharraf forcefully started military operations.

2) fact that ALL protests, be them under JI, or under MMA have been peaceful! since the last decade. I have taken party in many myself, therefore I'm a witness to them

Posted 2 years ago on 30 Dec 2009 9:23 #