Shamus Rahaman Khattak (PMLN)Youth sec KPK from Karak to join PTI.JH contacted.

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Shamus Rahaman Khattak (PMLN)Youth sec KPK from Karak to join PTI.JH contacted.

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SufiSoul
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He is ex-MNA ANP now PMLN youth wing secretary KPK.A well known and Powerful KARAK and KPK politician is in Talks with JH,to join PTI..

Sama TV reported and Local KARAK news Papers also have published news.....

Posted 4 months ago on 18 Jan 2012 22:30 #
showrealassets
Commenter

remember i said after Javed Hashmi every thing b change in politics because PMLN underestimate JH.

Posted 4 months ago on 19 Jan 2012 0:23 #
Respect
Member

If JH recommends him then I think we should take him on board. It will be a big blow to the so called youth wing of Noon League!

Posted 4 months ago on 19 Jan 2012 0:48 #
SufiSoul
Member

**** league just started organising kpk youth by giving task to shamsur rahman khattak,due to his energetic personality and strong candidate in distt karak but i think that many of the whole villages and towns joining announcements in PTI karak have shaken confidence of PMLNers and result is clear....

Posted 4 months ago on 19 Jan 2012 2:08 #
qaisernadeem
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Posted 4 months ago on 19 Jan 2012 2:58 #
SufiSoul
Member

Masood Shareef today recieved shams ur rahman khattak along with thousands of workers of PMLN and He resigned as President PML(N) Provincial Youth Wing of KP in order to join PTI..
Another PMLN 4 to 5 ministers of KPK are underway tasks with JH to join PMLN....

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 13:38 #
Dusky
Member

Yeah to bara pakka lota hay, ANP say PMLN aur ab PTI...

Inqalab Zindabad!

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 15:40 #
anasyounus
Member

@Dusky
Why didnt you cried the same way when he jumped ship from ANP to PML-N?

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 15:47 #
Dusky
Member

@anasyounus
PML-N is not torch bearer of "Inqalab" neither they claim to be the cleanest of all. Beside if the standards for PML-N and PTI are same, then why bother with another crook?

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 16:54 #
anasyounus
Member

if PML-N thinks it is business as usual why do they jump up and down when some one joins PTI, after all it is the same PML-N who till this day claims to have "High Moral Ground" and torch bearers of "Usooli siyasat" and isnt it same NS who claimed he wont take any Q-league person in the party?
Isnt this extreme form of hypocrisy?
why do you not jump up and down so much when PML-N and NS taken the "52 Sitting MPAs of Q-league in punjab"?? like you do when PTI takes some into thier fold..
"Electables" are the ground reality of our "Constituency Politics", good for IK and PTI that finally they understood the ground reality..while still promising to make sure they will not give ticket to any "Corrupt".. so all good till he backoff on his promise..

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 17:08 #
anasyounus
Member

as for promising to bring "Inqalab", PML-N claims to have "already brought" Inqalab.... did you ever asked NS/SS or PML-N as to when and where they brough this so called "INQALAB" of thiers?? or were they talking about INQALAB in the bank accounts, businesses and assets of Sharif family???

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 17:11 #
siddiqi73
Member

This Shams dude is a nobody and hence, whateva levitates the sheep herd.

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 17:17 #
bsobaid
Member

I like the name of newspaper..Karak!

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 17:20 #
anasyounus
Member

@siddiqi
this "nobody" got PML-N 22053 votes in 2008 elections where as in 1997 when he contested against PML-N candidate he secured 22935 votes while the PML-N candidate secured 5945 votes.

Dont ridicule people after they leave your party,, if you really mean all this.. name all those 'nobodys' 'lotas' 'greedy' 'establishment people' within your party today so tht we dont raise a question when they opt to part ways from PML-N

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 17:45 #
anasyounus
Member

also name the 'known land grabbers', ' financial corrupts' 'moral corrupts' and people who are not suppose to get tickets from pml-N..

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 18:19 #
Dusky
Member

@anasyounus:

"why do you not jump up and down so much when PML-N and NS taken the "52 Sitting MPAs of Q-league in punjab"?? like you do when PTI takes some into thier fold.."

Exactly my point. If PTI is on same route, then why bother with another crook in the mix? When they do same as what PML A to Z and PPP doing then they are no different. It's business as usual. So is "Inqalab":)

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 19:54 #
SufiSoul
Member

This Shams dude is a nobody and hence, whateva levitates the sheep herd. ....

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Shams is a Pakki MNA seat and youth leader.he is famous organiser for Cricket/Football tournaments at district and KPK level.He is so far clean businessman in dubai and two times MNA.
PMLN was hopeful that he will organise youth once again in KPK.But drams of PMLN seriously shattered now.
The situation is very worst in this district KARAK for other parties where whole of the Towns are in series of arranging JIRGAS to join PTI.
I think that almost all of the parties candidates are in process of TALKS with PTI but PTI is choosing CLEAN and STRONG candidates only which is good sign....

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 20:30 #
Pak1stan1
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@Dusky,

Changing parties is not lotaism.

Do you understand what Lota means? Do you know how this term was coined in Pakistani politics?

Even Qauid-e-Azam changed his party. Insisting on wrong is bad, rejecting wrong and correcting your direction is a trait of human. Only in mafias, loyalties are unchangeable. In politics, loyalties are with ideology, not a person or name.

PTI is not doing any wrong taking in strong politicians. This only shows the growing stature of PTI. PTI is PTI because of its leader, its supporters, and its ideological workers. These big joinings are testament to PTI's rise, not the cause of it.

This should not be the reason to put PTI in the same boat. If PTI compromises on its direction and policies, then you had a point. So far, PTI hasn't.

Posted 3 months ago on 30 Jan 2012 21:09 #
anasyounus
Member

@dusky
I already replied to this point.. but anyways let me repeat it.. "Electables" are the "Ground Reality" of "Constituency politics" in Pakistan.. Unfortunate but this is how it is.. I am happy for PTI and IK that they are now aware of the Ground realities of Pakistani politics and are playing their cards accordingly while also promising to choose the candidates more carefully so that while selecting a 'winnable' candidate they dont select a person with 'bad reputation' or with 'corruption charges' against him. I dont see any Issue with this.. but I was surprised when PML-N came out and started jumping up and down on this while they themselves are doing the same..
In another thread I have already analysed the fact that PML-N is actually afraid of the 'Ground Reality' Aware PTI and that is why they are coming after PTI all guns blazing.... totaly converting the 'Go Zardari Go' slogan and associated rallys into 'No Imran No'..

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 4:50 #
Dusky
Member

@Pak1stan1:

"Changing parties is not lotaism.

Do you understand what Lota means? Do you know how this term was coined in Pakistani politics?"

No, I was born yesterday. Please elaborate for me what is "lotaism" and how does the term coined;)

"Even Qauid-e-Azam changed his party. Insisting on wrong is bad, rejecting wrong and correcting your direction is a trait of human. Only in mafias, loyalties are unchangeable. In politics, loyalties are with ideology, not a person or name."

Yes, your khalifa once quoted this without context, ever since sheeple are resonating. If you would have read Pakistan history and would have known reasons for Quaid to change the political parties, you would not have compared the action of these goons with Quaid. It's an insult to the great man even to mention his name with these sale-outs in same sentence.
Loyalties with ideologies? Guy already jumped ship thrice,from core secular ANP to right wing PML-N and now to middle of no where PTI. Quite an ideological guy, isn't he?

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 5:02 #
Dusky
Member

@anasyounus:
""Electables" are the "Ground Reality" of "Constituency politics" in Pakistan.. Unfortunate but this is how it is.. I am happy for PTI and IK that they are now aware of the Ground realities of Pakistani politics and are playing their cards accordingly while also promising to choose the candidates more carefully so that while selecting a 'winnable' candidate they dont select a person with 'bad reputation' or with 'corruption charges' against him."

Bhai mara, this is exactly what I am saying, if this is ground reality and a way of wining for PTI then why blame others to adopt same tactics. What difference then between PTI and PML A to Z and PPP. They all follow the same rule. This is politics of status quo. I am disappointed with this because this will take PTI into same political mess we all hate to begin with. I remember watching one of IK clip where he wanted PTI to run on lines of Bhutto, JI and MQM, where parties are supreme and "elected members" are secondary.

Regrading clean people coming to PTI, don't be so ignorant. Don't we all know about the corruption of Laghari, Mazari, Sawati, sardar Asif Ahmed Ali and many more? To add further, remind me what is the source of income of Shah mahmood Qureshi?

Call a spade an spade....

Let me try to find IK interview where he talk about party being supreme, and then de decided to run down hill....

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 5:14 #
SufiSoul
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http://www.dastaknews.net/index.php?action=epaper&id=archive&page=1&year=2011&month=5&dt=18

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 5:43 #
anasyounus
Member

Its not PTI who are jumping up and down on people joining PML-N, its the other way round.. dont try to distort the facts...

As for IK saying he wants to go bhutto/JI/MQM way by giving 'electables' secondary importance thn party.. yea he is correct and he is going that route.. Bhutto had the 'electables' in his party.. so will PTI have

the case of MQM is different.. its not because of MQM that there is no 'electables' concept in karachi politics, even before MQM it was like that people like 'Professor Ghafoor Ahmed', 'Asghar Khan' and sher Mazari used to win from khi, these guys had the political stature but were no guaranteed electables with 'bradri', 'community' 'cast' or 'sect' vote behind them... AND you have seen khi Jalsa of PTI, it was HUGE HUGE but do they have any 'ELECTABLE' in thier ranks from khi or sindh which made that possible?? so PTI will also nominate candidates who are not as such 'electables' from urban areas like khi, lahore, Rawalpindi, faisalabad, Islamabad, Peshawar

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 5:49 #
anasyounus
Member

and for rural areas, PTI will have to rely on 'electables' but at the same time making sure tht they dont nominate a candidate with 'bad reputation' or 'corruption charges' against him..

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 5:51 #
anasyounus
Member

what made you think party is not supreme? Did PTI changesd its stance on any of the national Issues after the joining of these 'electables'?

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 5:53 #
anasyounus
Member

And the most important Question is Do you see any better option than PTI or IK in our politics? if you think some one or party is better than IK or PTI, share it with us all and also share the reasons why you prefer tht party or person over IK or PTI..

After all its one against the other... and we have to choose the best available option.. I never claimed that IK or PTI are an Ideal option, but only the "Best Available' option....

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 5:57 #
Dusky
Member

I am not distorting the facts. Fact is, the person I hate the most in political process is the one who cross the floor, who dos not have the guts and honor to resign and go back to his electors. Or the person who change political pary every election just to be part of government.

Majority of the PPP elected members under Bhutto were unknown in Pakistan politics at that time. People voted for PPP not for the candidates, that's what IK is referring in his argument. Political pundits of the time were not even considering Bhutto to be opposition leader, let alone majority leader.

the case of MQM is different.. its not because of MQM that there is no 'electables' concept in karachi politics, even before MQM it was like that people like 'Professor Ghafoor Ahmed', 'Asghar Khan' and sher Mazari used to win from khi, these guys had the political stature but were no guaranteed electables with 'bradri', 'community' 'cast' or 'sect' vote behind them... AND you have seen khi Jalsa of PTI, it was HUGE HUGE but do they have any 'ELECTABLE' in thier ranks from khi or sindh which made that possible?? so PTI will also nominate candidates who are not as such 'electables' from urban areas like khi, lahore, Rawalpindi, faisalabad, Islamabad, Peshawar

Professor Ghafoor Ahmed, Asghar Khan, Noorani, Shah Fareed-Ulhaq, sher Baz Mazari were known politicians with backing from strong political parties, and they always win seats with seat adjustments. Elections during their time mostly held between pro Islamic and secular parties, ethnicity and bradiri does not played the prevalent role in urban areas during those days. Now situation is different. Especially in Karachi name me one national constituency where you think PTI can pull a seat on their own?

PTI jalsa in Karachi by any mean can not be used as barometer for street level temperature, we have seen that JUI can pull even a bigger crowd. Let's wait till we get close to election, you will see JI, PPP, ANP and MQM will pull even bigger ones.

From rural or urban, once PTI you go electable route, they can not find saints. They are and will relay on corrupts.

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 6:16 #
Dusky
Member

To answer your question about better option: May be I was leaning PTI way few months ago, but seeing all the leftovers of "kings party" in PTI and no clear direction or program in place beside get in power at any cost (so is the inclusion of electable), I don't see them any different from other parties. I condemn and acknowledge "burai" as "burai", bigger or smaller is relative to each his own.

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 6:22 #
Adonis
Member

With Rehmat Salam Khattak getting prominent position in PML-N, there was no scope for Shams. His leaving the party was widely anticipated.

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 6:22 #
Dusky
Member

So he is again jumping the ships in anticipation of a better personal future in PTI.

Please someone remind me definition of "lota", please;)

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 6:33 #
Adonis
Member

Of course he is jumping ships for better future prospects as he did not see a future for himself in PML-N. But then this is true for all those who recently joined PTI. Either they did not see any future benefit in their previous party or were not given assurance about better future with other parties. PTI, on the other hand has an open doors welcome policy for all and sundry. As a result, it has become the refuge of last resort for all "lotas".

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 6:37 #
anasyounus
Member

@Dusky
"I am not distorting the facts. Fact is, the person I hate the most in political process is the one who cross the floor, who dos not have the guts and honor to resign and go back to his electors. Or the person who change political pary every election just to be part of government."

This is what I am saying that the time you spent on critisizing PTI for taking these people is 100 times more than you spent on PML-N taking 52 sitting MPAs of PML-Q under thier wings, they also have 4 senators of Q-league and 100s of Ex-MNA/MPA/Nazims under thier fold... so why dont you jump up and down on tht? why only target PTI?

This clearly shows tht you have no Issue with people jumping ship but the only Issue you have is when people join PTI..

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 6:43 #
anasyounus
Member

as for people winning from karachi before MQM, all those names I or you mentioned had 'Political' support, they didnt had personal votes based on 'bradri', cast or sect.. and I dont see nay objection on people having support because of thier political views or affiliations,. infact this is what is desired...

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 6:46 #
anasyounus
Member

@Adonis
Again the same point, why you guys ridicule the people once they opt to leave your party? Why dont you name all those potential 'lotas' 'coorupts' 'land grabbers' 'greedy', people ' driven by personal motives' and people 'who have no place in PML-N' 'no chance of getting ticket in next elections' before hand so that we dont raise the question while you ridicule people who opt to leave PML-N

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 6:49 #
Adonis
Member

Because we do not proclaim ourselves to be "holier than thou".
PML-N and others are political parties with all the pros and cons of the current political system.

If you claim to bring a change and portray yourself to be superior than others, then of course you will be expected to act better than others. You can not hide behind the fig leaf that others do this as well.

In that case, yours is just another party like every one else and the slogans of moral superiority are just that, mere slogans.

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 6:59 #
anasyounus
Member

@Adonis
let me remind you that it is NS who thinks he has 'already brought CHANGE and INQALAB", it was PML-N leaders including NS and Nisar who claimed that only PML-N will bring the "REAL CHANGE"..

And also may be because of short term memory loss you may have forgotten that it was NS who was giving lectures on "USOOLI SIYASAT" to all, it was NS who was promising that he wont take Q and Mush people in his party, it was and it is PML-N who claim to have the "HIGH MORAL GROUNDS" and it is NS who claims that Q-league and Mush people when they join PML-N, it means they are accepting our idealogy, party manifesto and policies so "NO ISSUE"..

So why raise the objection when these people join PTI and accpet its manifesto and party policy and idealogy????

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 7:08 #
anasyounus
Member

@Adonis

Waiting for you to share the names..

"""Again the same point, why you guys ridicule the people once they opt to leave your party? Why dont you name all those potential 'lotas' 'coorupts' 'land grabbers' 'greedy', people ' driven by personal motives' and people 'who have no place in PML-N' 'no chance of getting ticket in next elections' before hand so that we dont raise the question while you ridicule people who opt to leave PML-N """"

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 7:09 #
Adonis
Member

It is indeed very honest of you to accept that your leader Imran Khan is doing the same thing that you accuse Nawaz Sharif of doing.

Thank you.

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 7:11 #
anasyounus
Member

what ever makes you happy mate..

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 7:13 #
anasyounus
Member

as i said earlier I would love to hear your reasons of supporting or prefering PML-N over PTI and NS over IK...

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 7:14 #
asif65
Member

@Adonis

With Rehmat Salam Khattak getting prominent position in PML-N, there was no scope for Shams. His leaving the party was widely anticipated.

Only the member of Sharif Family have a scope getting prominent position in Sharif-Family League. Soon Sharif-Family League consist only the member of Sharif Family.

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 7:22 #
anasyounus
Member

@Adonis
"With Rehmat Salam Khattak getting prominent position in PML-N, there was no scope for Shams. His leaving the party was widely anticipated."

If Rehmat salam is a better person, more eligible for prominient position in the party and a better overall candidate than why NS and PML-N gave ticket to Shams in 2008? why not Rehmat salam? any idea?

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 7:22 #
Adonis
Member

Rehmat Salam Khattak was the district nazim in 2008 and could not contest elections.

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 7:28 #
Dusky
Member

@anasyounus:
My criticism is not limited to PTI only. I said "ALL" means anyone who involve in floor crossing or change political parties every election.

At the movement PTI is under scrutiny because they claim to be different then others, they claim to be cleanest and claim to go against the prevalent political culture of Pakistan. Where as with PPP or PML we expect that they get involve in such activities. But when PTI resort to same activities then its shattered promises, then there is no difference between them and others.

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 18:34 #
anasyounus
Member

you are going in circles.. if its not just against PTI why you are not so vigrous in opposition when the same thing is done by PML-N? I told you that PML-N also claim to Have taken the "High Moral Ground" always, they claimed that they will never take Q/Mush "Baqiyat" in thier party, they were preaching "Usooli Siyasat" to all, they are promising to bring the "REAL CHANGE"...?? than why you dont apply the same standards against PML-N what you apply for PTI?? Isnt this shattered promises???

I dont consider it an ideal situation as far as my support for PTI is concerned but I do understand that this is not an IDEAL WORLD EITHER.. if they dont give tickets to corrupts or people with bad reputation.. thn its ok with me..

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 18:50 #
anasyounus
Member

We like it or not and PTI like it or not.. the same faces will remain in rural area politics.. no matter they join PTI/PML-N/PPP or any other party ....
but I am sure from Urban area constituencies some good candidates will be announced from PTI..

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 18:53 #
anasyounus
Member

This is a hardcore fact of our "Constituency Politics" and to change this, only "Electoral reforms" will not be enough.. a deep down Education Reforms are required even than we will only be able to see the results after 15-20 years...
Checkout todays Kamran Shahid Program about Politics in Multan..the situation is same or similar (the factors could be dofferent) in other rural parts of the country.. now unless you do reforms in "Education system" .. you have no way out...

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 18:58 #
Dusky
Member

anasyounus:
In circles, hardly. Your argument is resort to the point that PTI we should look at PTI in same manner as we look at any other political party as they are no different.

If yes, then stop beating the drums of "Inqalab" and being the "cleanest". If no, then at least acknowledge that PTI made mistakes and they should rectify mistakes to deliver what has been promised.

Secondly, don't run all over. If there are so many pre requests to deliver the final promise (like electoral reforms or education or what not), then your leadership should aware of this before sailing the dreams. Now, this all seems excuses for broken promises.

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 19:56 #
pacemaker
Member

both contanders of the game play under same rules & regulations to have a match even if it is between Australia vs Zimbabwe in cricket, Brazil vs Bhutan in football or PTI vs PML-N on morals, otherwise it is just not possible, but happy to know that even PML-N hardline supporters believe that PML-N is so low on moarl grounds that it should not be compare to PTI!

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 22:17 #
Dusky
Member

Movement PTI resort to same tricks and techniques as PML and PPP, they are no different then them.

Good to see "inqalab" hangover is getting over and the kids are getting back to reality:)

Posted 3 months ago on 31 Jan 2012 22:56 #