Please stop deliberating and start delivering.
The IInd part of this thread continues here:
Please stop deliberating and start delivering.
The IInd part of this thread continues here:
Please enlighten us about raags and raagnis.
HOw many of them are there.
I reckon, Khowaja Khursheed Anwer tried to record an encyclopeida or samples of all raags and raagnis. Not sure if his project was completed.
Nothing but but the best for you.
I wish I knew even 0.000000000000000000001 per cent of it except to say that Music is like a bottom less sea and no one knows how much water there is.
I do have Khurshid Anwar's work in the form of 12 old Audio Casetts and indeed very informative, if only one could understand.
With due respect even when one singing and or listening to Raags, it has poetry in it. The singer may only sing one or two couplets but it has poetry in it. I can understand that you do not wish to be discussed on the other Thread but tht should not mean that both cannot be discussed on this or Does it? Please clarify.
Is it true that Raag Yamen or Amen Kalyan was innovated by Hazrat Ameer Khusro?
(Both of our computers at home don't play 'musicindiaonline' for reasons unknown. Please try to send the item through Dishant or Smashit)
This is how the story goes. Hazzrat Amir Khusro is also credited with Tabla and Sitar (seh-tar)
I will try to overcome the website issue. Dishant? that is new to me. Will have a look. Any possioblity of having your email address?
Original raangs and raagnis were sung without words. There used to be no words, let alone poetry in classical. Later they introduced a sentence or word in their raags and would repeat one word or sentence in the act and then gradually poems and ghazals were introduced.
I think both poetry and music can be discussed in one thread. No problems with that.
Ameer Khusroo introduced Tabla and Sitar in their modern forms.
Ameer Khusroo introduced Yaman. Dont think Amen Kalyaan was his innovation. He did introduce many other styles of singins. Most famous of them are khayal, ghazals and Qawwali.
Khusroo neejaam kay ball ball jaoon!!
Hazrat Ameer Khusro innovated contemporary instruments into Tabla and Sitaar in their modern forms.
Yes, your are absolutely right. I was refrring more to the present.
I am glad that you agree that both art forms can be discussed on this forum.
chapp tilak sab cheeni re mosay nainaa milaee kay
javed Sb & bsObaid
It is not the right time for this but I have this post for you which is one of my favouites, Todi. Notice how the break of dawn has been portrayed
I hope the post works
I love subah kay raag but I never wake up this early.. :( lol
iss ghairat-e-naheed kee hurr taan hai deepak
shola sa lapak jaey hai awaz tou dekho
In that case this is the right time for you!!!
I think Anokha Laadla is also from Ameer Khusoo
Anookha Laadla khaylan ko maangay chand ray
kaisee anookhi baat re
Wah! Subhan Allah!
Bheegi Bheegi Bhor and the voice of singing machine Asha Bhonsley, Wah.
Each Note is so perfect. Good find.
I hope you would not mind but it is "Bheeni Bheeni" which makes it even more enjoyable.
Yes I spelled it wrong. Bheeni Bheeni means mild and smelling good.
I am waiting a response to my email. I hope it has not gone to the Junk folder.
Respond was mailed almost 20 minutes before.
Check your mail.
Rahim Shah Unplugged..
Thank you SufiSoul
How about aother one?
1. kawja Khursheed Anwar compiled and made Raag Mala consisting of ten Cassettes based on Ten(10) Thaats,following the foot step of Bhaat Khande the great Musicologist who classified all Raags and Raagnis into Thaat system.
This Rag Mala was available on a Pakistani based website "sarangi.info".
2.There have been very few songs composed on Raag Mian Ki Todi Khawja Khursheed Anwar produced a very famous melodic song based on this Raag
There are thousands of Raags and Raagnis and are still being created by people till today.
Many of them are centuries old and some are new
Raag Bairagi Bhairov is an example. It is believed to have been composed by Ravi Shanker and has been used in one Pakistani famous ghazal sung and composed by Mehdi Hassan.
jis din se piya ........ have been part of my mental libray for many many years but I never had the pleasure of seeing Noor jehan singing it live (almost). Thank you again for that. I do have Raag Mala which I acquired on one of my trips to Pakistan from Shalimar Recording company. It has been collectin dust and I must get back to it sometime.
Again I have never seen Mehdi Hassan so young and this reflects in this rendering where he touches notes very clearly. Good. Was it Taari on table with him?
Who ever initiated this idea of sher-o-shaery-o-naghma has done a great service to this forum and the members.
All discussion was going so boring and tense that people were getting sick and angry to each other.
But peotry and music is really attractive and without tension what most of the members would like to join and relax.
I have found that Peterpan and Musician are very knowledgeable about the Science of Music.
Would they guide me why most of the film songs are in Raag Bharvin and Darbari where most of the Ghazala are composed in Raaga Maulkons?
baat karnee mujhay mushkil kabhi aisee tou naa thee
jaisee ab hai teri mehfil kabhi aisee tou naa thee
laygaya cheen kay koun aaj tera sabr-o-qarar
bayqarari tujhay aey dil kabhi aisee tou naa thee
oss kee aankhoon ne khuda janay kiaa kiaa jadoo
kay tabiyat meri mael kabhi aisee tou naa thee
chashm-e-qaatil meri dushmin thee hamaishaa laikin
jaisee ab hogaee qatil kabhi aisee tou naa thee
A golden master piece by young Khan Sahab Mehdi Hasan Khan Sahab aur Bahadur Shah Zafar ka kalam
iss ghazal kay misra-e-oolaa mein "aisee" kay lafz kee adaeegee mein khan sahab kamal kaa surr uthaatay hein.
wah maza aagaya bsobaid sahab. kiaa kamal kee ghazal hai. jeetay raheay.. ( haa haa haa)
"Would they guide me why most of the film songs are in Raag Bharvin and Darbari where most of the Ghazala are composed in Raaga Maulkons?"
1.Raag Bhairvi consist of 7 sur (notes), but the beauty of this Raag is that other notes can also be included while composing any song or bandish.Also it can be sung any time.This Raag is one of the most popular Raag in composing Flim songs and folk music.
2. Darbari is sort of a heavy weight Raag, and is rarely composed in a fast pace songs.Most of the songs composed in this Raag are medium to slow pace.This Raag has been widely used in composing Ghazals.
Two very popular ghazals in Darbari
Mehdi Hasan sing Parveen Shakir
A very popular old Ghazal by S B John Sahab
3.Malkauns consist of only five sur(notes).It is used mostly in classical,semi classical,and some songs.
It is hardly used in Ghazal.
A memorable Thumri by Ustad Amanat Ali Khan
Are these raags/music notes invented by Muslims of sub-continent or these have existed long before? Any information on history of these raags?
@JJ Khan Sahab
Raags and Raagnis have been in use for centuries,and it is difficult for any one to say with certainty the history of most of them. Some Raagas currently used in Pakistan and Northern part of India are borrowed from Southern part of India which is called Carnatic Music.
As for Muslim contribution to the Music,prior to their arrival there was Dhurpad and Dhammar ( Religious ) Chanting limited to Mandirs. Muslim brought or introduced Music to the public by Qawwali, Khyal Gayaki,and later on Thumri,Dadra,Ghazals .
This interview of Khawja Khurshid Anwar might be of help to you.
Thank you for the post of Khurshid Anwar's interview. I have his Raag Mala. Now I can put a face to his voice and I am sure I will enjoy it even more.
Also it was very good for your explain about the moods of Bharvi, Malkaus and Darbari.
I think because of the knowlede you possess about the music, I have decided to confer the title of "Khan Shahib" on you and I hope that you will accept it without any fuss.
Thanks for providing an up to date information about certain myths about Music.
I was looking for the Song from S.B. John for the last so many years.
A Music Library is incomplete without this old composition which after 50 years, still sounds fresh.
Note its Antaras and the blend of AAsthai supported by melodious interludes of orchestra.
I guess this song was composed by Mr. Robin Ghosh?
Thanks for sharing this song.
I second the proposal made by Musician to confer the Title of
'Khan Sahib' for Peterpan as a recognition of his vast knowledge at the subject.
In future, I request that Paterpan should be addressed as
'Khan Sahib Peterpan'.
And who I am to disagree with that. If we do not received any objection from Other Music appreciating members within the next 10 minutes then the motion will be carried.
It is to advise you that "peterpan773" has been declared unapposed "Khan Sahib" of this Forum. He should be addessed as "Khan Sahib Peterpan" in all future postings marked for his attention.
As Khan Sahib Peterpan has been decorated with the Status, he deserves, I would like to make some more proposals.
Keeping in view the services and contributions for the Forum,
Dr. Khan Sahib should be awarded with the Title of:
Nishan-i-Forum or Imtiaz-i-Forum
Mr. Musician should be awarded with a Title of:
Mishan-i-Mauseeqi or Imtiaz-i-Mauseeqi
Moderators, Beena and Semirza should be awarded with Title of:
If no objection or alternative is posted within 24 hours, the motion would be acknowledged as carried subject to the acceptance of receivers.
That would be an expression of acknowledgment for the feelings of respect for those who are serving this Forum through positive and non-profitable contributions.
Your proposals are seconded.
Where is Khan Shaib Peterpan?
Then, I think you should also get a tile.
How about Nishan-e-sher-o-naghma?
And hold any title for Musician, he has to serve the forum for a while to earn anything. He is too young to get anything for now :)
You have a valid point about the Seniority of a member.
We can hold the Title of Nishan-i-Mauseeqi for the time being.
I personally feel that being a controversial writer, I don't qualify for any Title at the Forum.
I am thankful to those who tolerate my non sense.
I am here to share my past and enjoy the final period of my future in a company of my own people.
How is that?
And if you want to enjoy the company of your own people then you should accept their will and accept the honour conferred on you BUT I would suggest the title as:
Sitara -e-"Pehchan-e- Mosedqui"
And I can assure you that your writings are not controversial. I have read them all.
I revise my suggestion regarding the title for javedSheikh
I recommend "Shan-e-Moseequi". This more accurately reflects his status.
All the Titles awarded to the Celebrities at the Forum
* Khan Sahib
* Shan-i- Mausseqi
require an Official Validation and Notification from the Administration of the Pakpolitcis.
We will have to wait for the final approval of the Administration.
Here is a composition in Darbai for you.
This is wonderful. I have gone through it and enjoyed it. Well done guys. Also like the idea of Awards. It is fun.The information on music is mind blowing.
I got some good information about music. Nice job by all the contributors.
Here is a combination of Kaifi Azami, Khayyam, Talaat Mahmood and Asha Bhonsley.
A perfect Sher and Naghma.
A good composition from 1956.
Prof James Kippen's student Dr Lowell Lybarger lived in Pakistan and learned Tabla from Legendary Table player Ustad Mian Shaukat Hussain.
Thank you. It took me back few years and as you said a good blend of sher-o-naghama.
"husn ka pas nighaon to sikhana hoega"
@Khan Sahib Peterpan
History of Tabla was interesing and educationl. I liked the second posting especially the gestures with the bols. I felt the gestures put more meanings to the bols.
I wonder when this thread has been diverted towards nominations..
Pls stick to the topic keeping the thread on track..
Good Point SufiSoul
This is politics on PKPolitics!
@ Khan Sahib Peterpan,
Your selections and collections are really mind blowing.
@ JJ Khan,
yaar kabhi kisi baat ki taareef bhi kar dya karen.
har waqt tanqeed, tanqeed, tanqeed acchi nahin hoti
yeh gup shup ka bazaar hai, es men aflatoon ki philosophy ke moti talash na karen
Let us keep it to Sher-o-naghma and not start campaign of favoritism or building mini clubs here.
For titles, open another thread and let people vote for all members.
No other thread would be as proportioned to express one's feelings of preferences.
It is not favoritism, but the acknowledgment of talents and encouragement of those who deserve.
This is unofficial proposals, what could be killed by a majority vote or by the Veto of the Administration.
(Don't take it so serious. This is Chit Chat Gup Shup, to relax)
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