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Shirk lobby!
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Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 19:10 #
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Not Possible
BlockedInamal Amal O Binyat, if these fitna mongers think Having Rasool Allahs name next to Allah is shirk, its their intention which is wrong, no one equates Allah to Rasool Allah(SAW), no creation can be compared to the creator. However Allah likes the name of his Rasool(SAW), his habib to be associated with him. Quran has countless times mentioned Allah and Rasool(SAW) together in one line on a page so is Quran nawzobiallah doing shirk now???
Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 20:38 # -
Bravo, Not Possible, another super video and so far no Wahabi has come forward to say anything in self-defence. I wonder why. They really are a lobby, aren't they? And we know where lobbies come from.
Your last sentence was a cry from the heart. And finally not at all in the realm of the impossible. Just give them a bit of time till the next step is taken.
Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 20:55 # -
Height of ignorance, innit?
If writing Muhammad(saw) next to Allah(swt), amounts to Shirk, then our 'kalma' is also based on shirk (nauzbillah). As even our 'kalma' has the words Allah(swt) and Muhammad(saw) written together.
Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 23:30 # -
UmeR, the Shirk lobby - I think it might even be unfair to call them all Wahabi - has just this very thing in mind: not only shatter Muslims, but destroy Islam itself. They are doomed to fail, but while we go along this path, they might well cause a great deal of pain to the Ummah.
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Aug 2010 0:34 # -
Not Possible
BlockedSaudi Flag is doing Shirk.
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Aug 2010 3:30 # -
fayyaz214
Memberi am not a big fan of wahabi school of thought. But, I get suspicious when small snippets of information are pulled together to tell the story, without the context of what speaker was trying to say.
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Aug 2010 5:40 # -
Keep throwing each other out of Islamic circle and you will never be united
Posted 1 year ago on 24 Aug 2010 20:11 # -
Not Possible
BlockedAgreed LifeH2O, but you didnt say we, you said you. Why you do not include yourself amongst muslims?...Who are you?
Posted 1 year ago on 25 Aug 2010 1:33 # -
alirazaster
Disabled upon Requestnot possible...
there is another thread "shias disrespect sahaba(ra)"
visit that sometime, and u'll know who lifeh20 is :)btw, why does this video have a plane crash clip and helicopter blasting? :S
Posted 1 year ago on 25 Aug 2010 4:03 # -
@NP
but you didnt say we, you said you. Why you do not include yourself amongst muslims?
Simply because i don't do 'kabaddi' to throw one out of that Islamic circle. Faith is directly between the person and Allah. I think People should not be allergic to this relation until it effects them.
Posted 1 year ago on 25 Aug 2010 5:00 # -
@ SAR Rizvi
"btw, why does this video have a plane crash clip and helicopter blasting?"
That symbolizes the Ummah.
Posted 1 year ago on 25 Aug 2010 12:47 # -
The "correct" Anti-Shirk Lobby's version.
Posted 1 year ago on 25 Aug 2010 22:31 # -
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Aug 2010 2:02 # -
Hi there, Shirk and anti-Shirk lobbyists. Super discussions! You carry on this way, we, the laymen, can see our beloved Islam melting before our eyes. But then when it's done with so much humour as in the above two postings, faith returns with a rush that the perfection of our religion remains untouched by the verbosity of its followers on matters which makes one scratch one's head in wonder. Anyway, carry on friends.
From fellow Mus..., er Kuffr, er Shirk Lobbyist, er Anti-Shirk person
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Aug 2010 8:55 # -
gv
Member@umer
I respect your knowledge and your general views. I also know if I was forced to choose between the salafis and you -I would choose your side with my eyes closed.
However i dislike the insistence on intermediation that your stand implies...
I hate to say this but i do agree with the salafi creed of reading the quran and hadith for yourself. I also think it is much more important to read objective accounts of islamic history to understand how the religion evolved over time.
To say that the people cannot understand without the aid of a teacher is too condescending for me...
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Aug 2010 10:14 # -
Thanks gv, that you've become active on the blog again. This is our hour of need.
And perhaps it's about time we all decided we are all Muslims. We believe in the same Allah, the same Quran, the same Prophet (PBUH). Once that is accepted, sectarianism gets its death blow. Oh, well, perhaps it will be the next step the nascent Ummah takes, who knows.
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Aug 2010 15:17 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@gv
who says that understanding Quran and Sunnah by yourself is the salafi way?.Salafi also promote their mullah.Salafi infact try to reject the use of aqal and logic. The term using aqal as haram.
Allah has gifted us with aqal and shaur, it is imperitive that we try to read and understand Quran and Ahadith by ourselves but if we do not understand or get confused on an issue than we must seek the help of an Alim. or a congregation of those who we consider as our learned peers without prejudice to anyone.
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Aug 2010 15:19 # -
@ Gv
Thank you for your kind words.
The thing is that we (ahle Sunnah) do not not stop people from understanding Quran and Sunnah, as one doesn't need a teacher to know that Allah is one, and that to believe in the day of judgment, Allah's books, Angels, Prophets, is compulsory. But where the disagreement comes in on is that, can common people derive their own rulings regarding the specifics of the deen? For example the prohibition of alcohol occurred in stages, first it was declared that consuming it is sin, but it has some benefits for some people, (the door for consuming it remained open, and even after this verse was revealed some people used to consume it), then it was revealed do not go near prayer while you're drunk, (the door still remained opened for it's permissibility) as one could say I can drink it when it is not time for prayer, but finally it was revealed in Surah maidah that, "O you who believe! Alcohol, gambling, [sacrificing for] idols, and divining of arrows are only an abomination [of Satan's work…]", so it was declared haram then. A common man who is not aware of concept of Naskh and Mansukh and who has not yet come to that chapter of Quran where alcohol was forbidden, and continues to drink alcohol on the basis of previously mentioned Ayahs of the Quran, will he be held responsible for this sin or not? And even many anti Islam websites cite this example as a "contradiction" in Quran, which is off course a proof for their ignorance, and had they asked about this from someone who knows, their hearts might have been opened a bit towards this beautiful deen.
And Allah(swt) says in the Quran:
" Ask those who recall, if you know not " (Qur'an 16:43),
And also:
" Not all of the believers should go to fight. Of every section of them, why does not one part alone go forth, that the rest may gain knowledge of the religion and admonish their people when they return, that perhaps they may take warning " (Qur'an 9:122).
And also that:
" If they had referred it to the Messenger and to those of authority among them, then those of them whose task it is to find it out would have known the matter " (Qur'an 4:83),
If Quran and Sunnah was enough we wouldn't have been told to ask those who know, ask those who are in authority, and everyone would have been ordered to gain knowledge of the deen on his own(specifics of the deen, that is), but as not everyone can do that, it was ordered that 'Not all of the believers should go to fight. Of every section of them, why does not one part alone go forth, that the rest may gain knowledge of the religion and admonish their people when they return' (9:122).
And to save our life we're ready to believe in a doctor whom we know nothing about, and who studies merely for 8-10 years, and we eat the medicine he prescribes us without any interrogation, that is this medicine really for that problem we're suffering from, or can it have any bad effects on us in any way. But regarding our life here after, we do not even pay any heed to the four Imams of jurisprudence, who dedicated all their life to the deen of Allah, and we think we know everything, and that we do not need anyone to tell us what is right and what is wrong .
I hate to say this but i do agree with the salafi creed of reading the quran and hadith for yourself.
And this call of salafi/wahabi's that the Quran and hadith is enough, is nothing but a farce. It is just another way of saying do not follow the four Aima of fiqh, but instead follow us. As even they know that a common man cannot derive his rulings. And I can substantiate this claim if you want me to.
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Aug 2010 15:39 # -
gv
Member@Umer/Not possible
Thanks for clearing up few points for me.
While I agree with a lot of what you both say - I still respectfully disagree on one point - which is that for me faith and religion is an intensely personal/subjective experience. No two people can view it exactly the same... therefore while it is good to speak and learn about different view points from scholars at the end one's conclusions must come from within...
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Aug 2010 16:00 # -
@All
The difference in my posting and Umer's, any sane Jew/Xtian/Atheist/Antagonist individual would say my posting is not religion, the same individual would see his posting as comic strip.
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Aug 2010 21:44 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@gv
there is no diffrence, you are 100% correct religion is a personal busuiness and we view it according to our own perspective. No one has the right to force ones point of view on other. If Somebody believes somebody elses point of view to be incorrect they should pray for them. Trust me the Salafi are all about shoving faith down someone elses throat.Posted 1 year ago on 27 Aug 2010 4:27 #
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