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Should the Sate be Separated from Religion or Not in Pakistan???
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Bawa
Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 6:31 # -
Zia M
@Fear bhai,
Pat Robertson is no different than Islamist Mullahs.
Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 6:34 # -
ڈر
ضیاء بھائی
لیکن اسلامک نہیں اور امریکن ہے ..Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 6:46 # -
Bawa
Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 6:53 # -
Zia M
Fear Bhai,
Every religion has their version of Taliban.
I don't have a problem with softer version of Islam, like Sufis or Mulla Lite, if you will........ :)Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 6:54 # -
ڈر
لیکن اپ کو کبی دوسرے ادیان کے طالبان کے خلاف بات کرتے نہیں دیکھا ، ویسے ایک بات اپ سے پوچھوں
اپ اس مسلے کا کیا حل بتاتے ہو ... پال جس میں کہ رہا تھا بیوی کو مارنا چاہے ..
یعنی سب سے اچھا حل کیا ہے .. چلو مان لیا مارنا یہ سب کچھ غلط ہےPosted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 7:03 # -
Zia M
Fear Bhai,
I'm sure I have always criticized Bush, Cheney and the Neocons.
I have been more critical of the Pope than most Mullas.
Moreover, this is not a site visited by the Jewish or Christian Taliban.I don't know what you mean by solution? Solution for what?
I believe in equal rights for women.Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 7:15 # -
ڈر
ضیاء بھائی ، یعنی وہ اپنی بیوی کیا کرے جو اس کے باپ کی عزت نہیں کرتی . جو اس کا گریبان پکڑتی ہے ..
یہ ایک مسلہ ہے اس کا کوئی حل بھی ہونا چاہے .. کیا طلاق حل ہے .. اپ خوتین کے حقوق کی بات کرتے ہیں ..
اگر کوئی خاتون اپنے حق سے دوسروں کا حق مارتی ہے تو فر ؟؟؟Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 7:23 # -
Zia M
Here is what I tweeted to Rick Sanches back in 2010.
"@ricksanchezcnn Why aren't these called christian terrorists or is that only reserved for muslims.""
in response to his tweet...
"Rick Sanchez @RickSanchezTV
*frp* reading thru indictment of “end times” militia group in MI, OH, IN. u scared of guys like this?Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 7:24 # -
Zia M
اگر کوئی خاتون اپنے حق سے دوسروں کا حق مارتی ہے تو فر ؟؟
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I don't believe in physical abuse of anybody, irrespective of gender or age.
You can warn the other person for aggressive behavior, if that doesn't work, in case of physical abuse or assault you can take legal action.The judge may take a punitive action such as, sending the person to rehabilitation center or a few days in jail on repeated offense.
Or one may try counselling.Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 7:35 # -
Hussain Farooqui
Our society was a moderately religious society. The first mischief in the name of religion was made by the American through Pakistani Mullahs to topple Z.A. Bhutto's government. Later, the C.I.A. then supported the so called jihad of Afghanistan. The so called jihad of Afghanistan gave rise to deviant sects. The deviant sects were like the recruiting agencies of the American CIA.
Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 14:25 # -
J.A.Khan
Hussai Farooqui Bhau,
If I may say so, and according to histrical facts, this game was on the table already in 1947. Yjat's why it was decided to create an Islami block consisting of Pakistan, Iran and Turkey to have a solid islamic wall to prevent Sviet Union from entering into warm waters. This was probably one of the reasons why Iran's democratically elected government Mosaddiq in Iran was toppled and replaced by Shah's monarchy in 1953. It's also said that possibly the assasination of Mr Jinnah and a definite assassination of Liaqat Ali Khan were also a part of the same game.
Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 16:48 # -
Diwana
If I may say so, and according to histrical facts, this game was on the table already in 1947
Please present the HIstorical Facts with evidence.
Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 16:52 # -
xxxpaki
They would ultimately have to separate the religion from the state. The sooner it is the better it would be for the country.
The blasphemy law has to go, or no one will dare to talk about the religion flaws due to fear of charges.Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 18:25 # -
J.A.Khan
SAIT Jee @Ziam @Hakka Bakka
In all honesty I enjoyed the discussion that took place between you, Ziam Saheb and Hakka Bakka Saheb upto the limit when things started sour between you three and ended up diplorably in sadness. However, to my humble assessment the result is, an absolute independent and competent secular state on the patern of western states just as Denemark, Germany, UK, USA, Canada or Australia etc. so that our greatest treasure ie our intellegentia do not have to leave their homeland.
You see, Brothers, if we enjoy countless western values in our Pakistani society already, so why there should be any hesitation to accept their well tested and well proven system that offers justice and comfort to the nation in general and brings prosperity to Pakistan, indeed? Additionally that opens the gates to be accepted by the whole world in every respect. But unfortunately the way some highly civilised and well educated people are observing the political situation of Pakistan from a very close distance and from a realistic point of view I have no hesitation to say that the future of Pakistan seems, to me at least very bleak, unfortunately. The discussion between you three is one of the reasons to draw such coclusion of this very question, very unfortunately. Mind you, I have no intetion to undermine any of you at any cost.Mind you SAIT JEE,You may have any system you wish to if you are a rich country and are looking after your citizens decently.
Unfortunately our Pakistan is not rich so far. I think Pakistan needs a lot of flexibility and sense of tolerance in order to get rid of one of our biggest enemies i.e. stubbornness and primitiveness which is obviously due to lack of education or poor kind of education.
This is my point of view only. For me, this chapter is now closed. Thank you all. CheersPosted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 19:33 # -
J.A.Khan
xxxpaki
I find you very wise and intelligen Pakistani who got a great vision, in my very humble poit of view. God bless you.
Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 19:39 # -
SAIT
@xxxpaki
They would ultimately have to separate the religion from the state. The sooner it is the better it would be for the country.
I asked again and agin, why?. Why we need to separate state and religion in Pakistan and what are the benefits. I have not seen any special benefits for separation of state and religion in the world. Poor countries remained poor and rich remained rich.
@JA Khan
Mind you SAIT JEE,You may have any system you wish to if you are a rich country and are looking after your citizens decently.
Well this is the real thing, It does not matter if state and religion are separated or not if you have good economic situation you are good, and examples are britain, Denmark and Norway who have not separated state from religion.
Unfortunately our Pakistan is not rich so far.
This is the main reason for our troubles and you see the same situation in countries like India and Bangladesh though these countries have separated state from religion.
The only way to solve this issue in pakistan is to controle the corruption that has gone into core of our society. Believe me the union of state and religion is not a problem there are other reasons for our troubles.
Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 20:00 # -
J.A.Khan
SAIT Jee
Ok, then sort them out, and show us how to do it being a poor country. The more poverty, the more coruuption, isn't it?
1400 years to Islamic system, and 66 years to complete the fort of Islam, Pakistan, yet Islam and islamic Pakistan nowhere to be found. There must be something deeply in mess. Am I right?
However. I have said already I thought right thing to do for Pakistan under current situation. ThanksPosted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 20:13 # -
J.A.Khan
SAIT Jee
Last phrase to make you understan i.e. "Do muulaon men murghi haraam." That's why Pakistan is in turmoil since ever. Cheers
Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 20:18 # -
Hakka Bakka
J.A. Khan@
SAIT Jee @Ziam @Hakka BakkaIn all honesty I enjoyed the discussion that took place between you, Ziam Saheb and Hakka Bakka Saheb upto the limit when things started sour between you three and ended up diplorably in sadness.
محترم جے خان صاحب
- آپ مباحثہ کے سلسلہ کا پھر جائزہ لیں - گفتگو جوں جوں دھینگا مشتی میں بدلتی گئی ، میں نے چھپ سادہ لی تھی - ضیا صاحب اور سیٹ صاحب کے درمیان پہلے سے ہی کچھ چل رہا ہوگا - میں ایویں میں بیچ میں آ گیا تھامیں تو انوکی کی تصویر ، اور ہالی ووڈ کے ٹوٹوں سے پہلے ہی بحث کے سلسلے کو خیر بعد کہ چکا تھا
Posted 5 months ago on 02 Dec 2012 20:26 # -
J.A.Khan
Hakka Bakka Bhai
Jessai hi men nai aapko jawab clicque kia tau ussi waqt pkplitics ki batti gol ho gaii.
Jawab ye tha keh:
You are right. Also I had noticed how wisely you became diplomatic. I think you guys gave quite hard time to SAIT Jee. However, I honestly deplored the way it ended up. There was no need for such things from any side.
By the way, would you say ok to my personal verdict about religion separation from State?
I also said there, that you may run any system in your country you like to only if you are rich and look after your citizens decently. In other words, in current situation of your country you have to build it up first by a system acceptable to the whole world so that you can do right business with the whole world to develop your country.
In other words you cannot be a chooser as long you remain a begging country. Isn't it my friends?
Posted 5 months ago on 03 Dec 2012 20:43 # -
Sweettruth
Separate religion from State affairs 50% problems in Pakistan could be solved with minimal sectarianism and improved religious harmony and tolerance.
Posted 5 months ago on 03 Dec 2012 22:23 # -
J.A.Khan
Sweettruth
Not only 50%. 90% problems will disappear forever.
Posted 5 months ago on 03 Dec 2012 23:20 # -
Sweettruth
@J A Khan
Intelligent people like you are the last hope of Pakistan. Extremism and sectarianism are fast growing in Pakistan and today terrorists killed one cleric in Karachi in broad day light.
Pakistani nation and leaders should seriously think how to fight and end terrorism and growing extremism.Posted 5 months ago on 03 Dec 2012 23:54 # -
SAIT
Not only 50%. 90% problems will disappear forever.
How ?
What significant role religion is playing in state functions of Pakistan. According to you some countries like Pakistan are suffering because of religion, why this thing is not applicable to European countries like Denmark and Norway where there is no separation of stat and religion. Why India and bangladesh are suffering even though state is officially separated from religion. Europe learned the lesson through its hard times after WW II, we will and are learning from our current mess.The simple thing you guys have failed to grasp is that it is not religion but the bad leadership that is causing troubles. Standard of leadership will improve gradually if democratic proces is continuous. Things in Pakistan went from bad to worst gradually as well and similarly they will improve slowly and not over night. I see lots of positives from this current mess in Pakistan. People have started realize the diference between good and bad and eventually they will find the strength to reject the bad and elect the good one. I see hope on the other side of tunnel.
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 0:44 # -
imtiazahmed
ZiaM: ""@ricksanchezcnn Why aren't these called christian terrorists or is that only reserved for muslims.""
Christian Taliban/terrorist already exist. It happened big time in an island close to Oslo. Some 78 youths were killed by a Single fanatic. Immediately after the incident BBC, Foxnews and many top media dedicated to it some Muslim terrorists. They had to eat their words when the fanatic was captured by the police and he confessed his heinous crime. The case is still in court. Since I write on some sites articles on current affairs my article pertaining to this incident was on google's first page. But, as you know, the media is a controlled media, some bigwigs of international media didnot like my term "christian taliban" and soon this article was dropped down to second page.
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 5:32 # -
Hussain Farooqui
When it was in the interest of the Western countries to build a wall against communism, they created and boosted the devaint religious sects in the Muslim societies. Later, after the collpase of the communist empire, all religious Muslims becane the target of the West's hatred.
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 5:51 # -
EasyGo
Have you read the last message addressed to you you yesterday?
@JA Khan Bhai,
I read it now and I truly feel owed to you for your kind words.
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I think you guys gave quite hard time to SAIT Jee.
There is a perception that the side, which SAIT Bhai took, rarely engages in discussion, so it was like an opportunity for people of other side to convince him through satisfactory answer to his queries. It was almost serious and well until he was started being attacked by my two friends as third person like this.
He seems to be a follower of Mulla Sandwich.
:)Still there is no need for permanent grudge, it is merely a discussion on the internet. Take such things as fight for fun, forget it and come to terms in next discussion.
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 6:27 # -
J.A.Khan
EasyGo Bai
Thank you.
Yes, also I'm against any personal attacks.
I think many on this forum are sexually frustrated. That's why they seem to be quite angry minded. Unfortunately nobody can help them. It could also be lack of education why they show their anger in such an uncivilized manner.
God may have mercy on such people.
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 9:29 # -
Hussain Farooqui
Mr.JA Khan
I think adding some humour to the discussion will definitely be a matter of refreshment for all, but unserious twisting of a dicussion may be a matter of refreshment to none.
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 10:29 # -
J.A.Khan
SAIT Jee
First of all let's be clear that there is nothing wrong in religion, and also nothing wrong in being religios.
The only problem is that religion in Pakistan is being used and abused for greed of power and mony. Therefore I always advocate the minimising the role of religion in politics in order to keep religion as pure as possible. I don't know if you ever study subjects such as human psychology and social science besides other valueable readings about human nature, behaviour and characteristics, but if you don't then it becomes very difficult for the people like me to make you understand, and for you to understand me, respectively. It's also a matter of different genes not willing to tally with each other, besides different educational and social backgrounds, if I may say so.
However, considering you as quite intelligent person I think you would agree with me when I say that there is always a generation gap due to constant changing and evolving factor in every society. And if you ever try to block this source of change you and your environemnet become obviously stagnat and monotonous, hence boaring and unproductive, hence very useless to the society as a whole.
My brother SAIT Jee, I may tell you that whenever you go against the laws of the nature you become nothing but the greatest loser. You know why there is in Qur'an that tie up your children with marriage as soon they reach the age of puberty? Tell me now how much is it followed up in our Islamic Pakistan? Why the marriage laws have fixed the age limit to 16 Years, and not 12-13 years when the puberty period ends up? Further more, how many 16 year old boys and girls get married in today's Islamic Pakistan? Is it not true that now many daughters in our society in Pakistan become old at their parents' home without getting married? Why so? Many boys have to remain bachelor sometimes upto 40-50 years just because they can't afford to support a life partner due to financial reasons, why so? Now, please tell me by witnessing Allah that all you see and find in today's Islamic Pakistan is really Islamic??? Of course, not. So, do we understand now why the society of Pakistan has become **** currupt, intolerant, hypocrit and criminal in all these 65 years which shows and proves that there is no real values of Islam to be seen in today's Pakistan.
In all honesty I tell you that we really don't know what we are and that what we really want, and that what and how we should be as a Muslim and as a nation in true sense. That's why us and our Pakistan are in total mess today. In 65 years time we could not create a true Islamic Pakistan, so why we shouldn't try to creat a truely strong Pakistan first and then become gradually Islamic by following the example of our trueset Islamic brother country Turkey???Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 11:01 # -
Javed Sheikh
کچھ سادہ لوح دانشور خوش ہو رھے ہیں کہ
محمد حسین انوکی کے آنے سے پاکستان کی ریاست میں
اسلام بھی داخل ھو گیا ھے
ارے وہ جاپان میں تو اسلام نافذ نہ کر سکاDid Secular Canada turned into an Islamic State due to Mr. BAWA, a champion of Islam?
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 11:17 # -
adnak
J.A.Khan jee
"I think many on this forum are sexually frustrated. That's why they seem to be quite angry minded"
That was an intersting analysis indeed.
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 11:20 # -
geelemitti
@J.A.Khan
It is not clear what you are trying to say from your comment above on 11:01. What is currently happening in Pakistan is not because we have islam and state affair intertwined. It is because we dont have correct comprehension of islam as religion. Even if we separate religion from state, on personal level influence if religion is such that we cannot avoid it being spilled over to state affairs in our current state of society. This is not to say there is anything wrong with religion itself. It is to say that "we" as people of Pakistan particularly and muslims in general, have no understanding what so ever of what Islam really is.I have said it some where else as well that there is no point in arguing with atheist personal because there is nothing common between a believer and an atheist and you need to have a some common ground to argue. For a muslim believer everything stems from Allah and goes back to Allah, for an Atheist , till it is proven , there is no God. Even people who call themselves Secularist are, to some extent Athiest because it is not possible for a believer to segregate religion from their personal lives and hence the collective effect.
Issue here is that these so called mordernist follow west blindly and dont see that western civilization is rotten to the core. This has spilled over muslims countries where the apparent glitter of west have corrupted societies, two world wars should be proof enough of that corruption.
I believe that we will fall in to the same dark pit of ignorance and selfishness that west have thrown themselves in the name of progress. I have lived in this society for 10 years and observed it very closely. Indeed there are good aspects as well that we cannot deny but that cannot eclipse the current state of affairs in western society. Economically they are bankrupt socially they are rotten. Greed is paramount and selfishness is only moral. Interest is king and those who control interest, control whole civilization.
Our solution is to go back to Islam and understand it properly . We cannot hope to reach what Allah meant when He says "Ashraful Makhlukat" by following blindly what west have to offer and by considering Religion ONLY as pesonal matter.Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 11:48 # -
J.A.Khan
Hussain Farooqui Bhai
Thank you so much for paying so much attention to the matter you took it as sense of humour.
Being a psychologist I know why I said that. And I meant it, indeed. That's a very serious matter to the people who understand the root causes of such behaviour. I'm not surprise why Pakistani socity as a whole has become psychopath. Eating, drinking, socialising etc is a need, but sexual satisfaction with a pleasant orgasim in any civilized human society is mental relief with great satisfaction of joys. Getting mere rid of libido pressure only has got nothing much to do with any joyous satisfaction. Exactly that's the problem of many societies such as Pakistani society that causes psychotic syndroms in such individuals and creats therefore angry and agressive attitude that causes great satisfaction to their very destructive ego. Undermining, insulting, hating and the lust of overpowering others become the greatest source to exploite and enjoy the lust of ego for such people. It can happen in any society and in any age group. Allah has gifted us with unlimeted treaures of how to make our thoughts and life beautiful in order to know Allah's unlimited beauty and might accordingly. It's written in all three Ibrahimi holy books that if you want to know me (The God) accordingly, you then should know yourself first. Where the dilemma of many of us is that we always try to assess others, but never ourselves. That's why many of us become so destructive and insultive nature. Some of us simply never learn that they can never respect anybody in any true sense as long they do not learn how to respecet themselves first. God bless.Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 11:53 # -
adnak
geelimitti jee
"What is currently happening in Pakistan is not because we have islam and state affair intertwined. It is because we dont have correct comprehension of islam as religion"
Who will define what is the correct comprehension of Islam as religion?
Is it possible to have a consensus on defined correct comprehension of Islam as religion?Can you please elaborate on that.
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 12:34 # -
J.A.Khan
geelimitee
With due all respect to Islam and all Muslims I'm bound to say that it's the beauty and merci of West that nearly every non westener wants to live in west and that we are so closely connected to each other just because od western technology. Here very briefly I would like to defend west and my point of view that the beauty and might of God is not to be found in any holy books, hence it is found only by exploiting our sense to perceive and admire the actual beauty and might of God. Sura-e-Rehman is one of those clues to my arguement. You cannot worship Allah if you don't know Him accordingly. A religious person might be a good meditater, but it does not qualify him as a real connaisseur of God. God's beauty and might are not limited upto a book or sermoning only, it is much more than that. That's why I consider the modern civilization with all it's modern techniques much better connaisseur of God than some mere clergy men of any religion. My friend, it's the most beautiful thing to know God and to be as close to Him as possible. And that's what I do in my daily world exploration. That's why lovely God is with me all the time and everywhere. Everybody got his way to feel God. I don't know why God has to be imposed on people, if it is only a matter of accepting and feeling Him with all respect???
For me every decent and kind human being is a very good Muslim, no matter what religion and denomination he belongs to. The rest is, in my point of view halwa-manda and power politics only. I tell you, I'm a donnor of my whole body after my death. That's what I call a true service to mankind and to God in this world. How beautiful in the eyes of God it would be seeing one of His creatures helping His living creatures even after his death. That is the truest worship to God in my very humble point of view, and that should have nothing to do with any affirs of any state. As far west is concerned is definitely a better and more humane place to live and enjoy the beauties of God and human services to human beings. Here nobody may declare you wajibul qatl for not following his or their way. Please wake up, my dear Dunia-e-Islam,wakeup! Just wake up!!! And please don't try to throw stones on others' houses if living yourself in glass houses. Thank you. God may have mercy on you.Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 12:51 # -
J.A.Khan
Gileematee Jee.
With due all respect you came to see perhaps as a religious person only the dark sides of west, and not to see the countless bright sides of it. If any person or any society not honest, not realistic and not objetive to themselves become obviously poisonous, hence fatal to themselves. Unfortunately, that seems the case of our Duna-e-Islam today in general.
I think I have more respect for Islam than many so-called Muslims. Thank youPosted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 13:09 # -
Hussain Farooqui
The problem of the present day Muslims and the West looking at the dark aspects of each other is very common. Neither side has a broad vision to see the bright asects of each other.
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 13:15 # -
J.A.Khan
Sweettruth + Adnak
Thank you, Brothers.
Hopefully they would understand the meaning of the beauty of religion and God. For some it might be too high to understand all this.
I'm a man of proceeding forward, and not backward. Great God gave us so precious thing called life, and many of us throw it in the bin. They can't be any good Muslim.You must have noticed how jahil or crook kind of mullas and maulanas tell you that "Oh, this life is no life, real life is just up there, so work for that life in order to be rewarded by Allah this n that." But they don't follow it themselves and enjoy all kinds of "this n that" to full. I remember from my childhood how I saw the mullas in the month of Ramazan how they asked us to take lovely meaty Biriani and some other delicious bites to their Hujras. Bloody crooks, and the worst enemies of Islam and mankind. They tell us how to be good Muslim by stealing the rights of poor kind of Rozdaars. And now you will see how some so-called islam defenders will jump to their versions and conclusions after reading these lines. It's really a funny world. Cheers
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 13:32 # -
J.A.Khan
Hussain Farooqui Bhai
Tell us please something about your views in this aspect broader than others. It will be nice to hear from you. Cheers.
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 13:37 # -
Bawa
ON 04 DEC 2012 11:17 #
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.انوکی نے کہا ہے کہ
میں ڈسکشن فورم والوں کو جگندر سنگھ کی بارہ بجے سے ایک گھنٹہ پہلے سے لیکر ایک گھنٹہ تک بعد والی چولیں بند کروا دوں گا
اور
اسکی کھرک کا ایسا علاج کروں گا کہ
اسے دونوں ہاتھ کندھوں پر رکھوا کر حکیم قرشی سے دوائی لگانے کی ضرورت نہیں رہے گی
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 14:07 # -
Sweettruth
@Bawa ji
First decide whose side is Anoki?
Is he with extremists or with liberal people of this forum?
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 14:15 # -
Bawa
میٹھے سچ جی
انوکی انکے ساتھ ہے جنھیں اسکے مسلمان ہونے کی خوشی ہوئی ہے
جنکے پچھواڑے میں انوکی اور دوسرے لوگوں کے مسلمان ہونے کا سنکر کھرک شروع ہوگئی ہے - انوکی انکے ساتھ ہرگز نہیں ہے
اس پیج پر انوکی کے بارے میں کومنٹس پڑھ لیں تو جان جائیں گے کہ کن لوگوں نے اپنے پچھواڑے کھرک کھرک کر سرخ اور لہو لہان کر لیے ہیں
:) :)
Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 15:58 # -
Javed Sheikh
Persons like Mohamad Husain Anoki, Mohamad Ali Clay or Barack Hussain Obama------ cannot be hijacked or monopolized by fanatic fundamentalist Talibans.
یہ بیچارے اپنی جہالت کو زندہ رکھنے کے لئے
انوکی جیسے سہارے تلاش کرتے پھرتے ہیں
کہیں کوئی پاگل میم بھی مسلمان ہو جائے تو
ایک دوسرے سے جپھیاں ڈال ڈال کر خوشیاں مناتے ہیں
کہ جیسے نظام خلافت نافذ ہو گیا هو
ھاے بے چارے شکست خوردہ محروم لوگ -------Posted 5 months ago on 04 Dec 2012 16:41 #
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