I am sure many of you have seen or read articles posted by our ultra right-wing journalists. Many blogs have been set up and many commentators are seeing posting on various websites. There are also many here on this forum as well, as they have every right to be so. But is it a crime to have a discussion or is it necessary that one must always agree with your perspective. What is harmful about restricting debates - as many right-wing journalists do - is that the a consensus is not able to form and we continue down the same form of personal agenda rather than a coalition and hinders Pakistan's ability to form a united front. Liberals and Conservatives have always differed, but by slandering each other, nothing positive can come out. Positive criticism is a wonderful concept that should be utilized by all parties. The reason why I have started this post is because I am sick and tired of the constant trashing of the conservative's present in Pakistan who do not allow anyone to challenge them or disagree with them. Is it not possible to agree to disagree? Or are these right-wingers always correct? For example, Ahmed Quraishi's web page has many articles posted to the website. But any comment that goes against the argument of any article is always deleted instantly. This is not healthy for a country that is struggling so much today, where all parties need to be on board. Another example of the tactics used by these journalists is to completely obliterate any author who challenges them by becoming rude, obnoxious and personal.
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Sick and tired of the right-wing!
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Posted 2 years ago on 07 Nov 2009 15:59 #
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zingaro
Membermy dear first let us know what is the definition of right wing and left wing... it will be better to proceed to discussion afterward.
Posted 2 years ago on 07 Nov 2009 16:17 # -
conservatism and liberalism? Reliance on military strength and unilateralism against a multilateral approach? But more specific in Pakistan's case; constant reliance on conspiracy theories and baseless allegations that are presented without evidence. Twisting of facts to malign any character or personality that has a different take on politics than there own. These are only a few examples just to get the mind stimulated.
Posted 2 years ago on 07 Nov 2009 16:27 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
conspiracy theories ? What conspiracy theories ? Do you forget that the information presented in these 'so called' conspiracy theories are circumstantial evidence, based on DIRECT observation. They are in shape of videos.
ALL conspiracy theories or circumstantial evidence(s) are based on events that DID take place. There are videos available of it. You may not be able to establish direct evidence, but you cannot dismiss the sequence of events.
How can you ?
Its like saying, I live in a locality where I KNOW for a fact how one of my neighbours conducts himself, but since I don't have direct evidence of his actions, I'll ignore the circumstances surrounding the incidents that took place. Only a FOOL would do that.
Posted 2 years ago on 07 Nov 2009 19:10 # -
@hariskhan
You are stating the obvious here. If there are video's of a particular event that can clearly prove something than it would be rather hard to disagree on what is being stated. But if the evidence is minimal or not substantial enough to prove your argument, but it is made out to look as if there is mounting evidence, we then have an issue. I am a bit confused in regards to one of your statement, how can you know something for a "fact" if you can't prove it? If you have seen your neighbor committing an illegal act than you witnessing the event is evidence. But if it is hearsay or or something on those lines than you don't have proof. I am thinking more on the lines of innocent until proven guilty.
Posted 2 years ago on 07 Nov 2009 19:52 # -
amin1924
memberRaza,
There is no such things as right/left wing.
We have people working for different agendas, simple.
Some don't match with your agenda so you are criticizing them same way they criticize you.
So instead of applying right/left label, try to focus on agenda of these people and try to bring light on their motives.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 4:01 # -
@JJKhan
I do not know of the agenda yet. But what I can tell you and have shown with proof above is the constant character defamation that many journalists (who share a common ideology) are under taking. I am not criticizing them for not believing in my agenda. I have constantly stated that it is better to disagree than becoming personal. My complain is the same. That the journalists who become personal and start using obnoxious language should not attack a writer/commentator's character just because they disagree with them. JJKhan, you have said the same thing I am trying to give light to.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 6:28 # -
amin1924
memberCharacter assassination, yes that is common in our culture. We attack another's character in response to rational/logic.
But my disagreement is on terming it as right wing vs left wing which I don't buy at all.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 6:37 # -
agree to disagree? We can set a precedent! But my overall point is just because it is happening, does not mean it is right! And we need to stop this. Zardari, Nawaz, Altaf Hussain are old and nearly bygones. We really don't have a future leader and this is where we must come together to chose our own destiny since these leaders have done all they could during their own lifetime!
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 6:48 # -
amin1924
memberThey inherited power from colonials and during colonial rule their forefathers collaborated with them, we are middle class working people who can't afford to lose job.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 6:50 # -
Middle-class is the core of the nation! We make or break our country. We need to strengthen ourselves so that we can secure the future. Change is always possible but the effort and commitment is required! Inheritance politics is vastly diminishing and if we fail to rise to the occasion we will only be doing a great harm to future generations.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 6:54 # -
amin1924
membermiddle class can agree or disagree, that's all they can do.
we can't become engine of a movement -unfortunately.
but good news is that there are some intellectual movements on the rise and hopefully they will soon get leadership of masses and then you will see things changing -inshAllah.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 7:48 # -
shahzad1924
member@AHR - "Inheritance politics is vastly diminishing..."
yeah rite!
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 8:35 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
My point in stating the obvious WAS, the obvious is not so obvious for YOU.
Somehow the teachings of right and wrong in Islam are not enough for you. You want MORE proof.
1) The Federal Reserve brought the US economy down. First, they ATE all the American's GOLD, NOW they are eating American's tax money.
But there's no proof, since the Fed has NEVER been audited in the LAST CENTURY. So you think, no one should be punished for it ?
Don't you see members of US Congress, continuously striving to make the Fed Auditable ? There's a motion moved in their house EVERY! YEAR.
Common! man, USE! common sense.
2) I believe, the proof IS there, it just hasn't been brought to LIGHT. Like people talk about Zardari. Zardari has many cases against him, which are going to open up soon INSHALLAH. He was ALSO convicted in Swiss courts, but Musharraf took the cases back to use them as a bargaining chip when he was going out of power.
This doesn't mean Zardari is not a criminal. He IS!! a criminal. He just hasn't been convicted yet.
The cases against him are STILL PRESENT in the Court of LAW! They haven't finished.
Remember, there are many cases, which are pending in Pakistani courts. Some are as old as 4+ decades. The same thing happens in US. that is NO! reason to say, someone didn't commit a crime.
Nov 28, 2009, is the day the tenure for NRO ends. This is the date, after which the courts can show us some action.
Perhaps you have missed Aitzaz's words in Islamabad Tonight a few days ago.
If you read NEWS, you might have noticed, a non-bailable warrant has been issued for the 5th! time, for minister of Power and Water, Pervaiz Ashraf.
Not only will Zardari get convicted INSHALLAH, ALL his gangs have cases which are ALREADY active in the court of LAW.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 8:39 # -
right wing in pakistan are the group being controlled by mulla, army dictators, agencies and paid by saudi arabia, CIA and mossad (indirectly).
left wing is a group of those being controlled by so called liberal, sculars, and ready to sell every thing including close relatives/ family members to get $$$$$$$ and waiting for visa of Europe or USA.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 11:18 # -
neighbour
MemberRight & Left wing usually refer to either side of the national consensus. The trouble is that there isn't one.
Yes even today there are apologists for Taliban who do not condemn their deeds because the Taliban claim they are fighting America - there is a lot of Anti-Americanism around & the Taliban therefore find sympathizers in spite of the fact that they are at war with the Pakistan Army.
I suppose a better terminology for Zaid Hamid and Ahmed Quraishi sorts of folk (they are by no stretch of imagination journalists) is propagandists.
Posted 2 years ago on 09 Nov 2009 0:09 #
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