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Slap in the face of JI fanatic

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sasherwani
Members

..Fareed Paracha..an idiot who loves to talk but isnt ready to listen or understand..

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 3:42 #
toamin
member

ہاہاہا

پراچہ لبرل آنٹیوں کے جمگٹھے میں پھنس گیا

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 3:47 #
nota
Member

Paracha beychara "Aasia" / "Aafia" meiN confuse ho giya... :)

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 6:38 #
rahilllll
Member

check this out guys, real face of JI Fareed Paracha...

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 8:41 #
d0ct0r
Member

Dr Fareed Paracha is being respectful to this lady calling her 'in ko' whereas she instantly changes her tone and stoops low and addresses him as "Is ko" .

That Baluchistan Minister who burried women alive is still PPP's Minister in cabinet despite downsizing,so that question should have been directed towards puppet of ppp Asma Jehangir.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 9:07 #
junaid
Member

shame on these liberal rascals

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 9:21 #
toamin
member

کامران شاہد نے اسی قسم کی حرکت سے بڑی ریٹنگ حاصل کی تھی، اب یہ اسماء شیرازی جو امریکی سفارتخانے میں جا کر کالے انگریزوں کو تفریح مہیا کرتی ہے، اسی قسم کی حرکت کرنے کی کوشش کر رہی ہے

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 9:28 #
sasherwani
Members

JI goons are funny

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 10:35 #
d0ct0r
Member

Salam

On the contrary Asma Shirazi in that vid seem to be siding and agreeing with Fareed Paracha's stance..

Just being present at American Embassy's function doesn't make one a disreputable person..

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 10:53 #
toamin
member

Yea, apparently acting as 'devil's advocate' but looking at broader audience/guest setup it is clear what she wanted to achieve from this notanki

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 10:59 #
hkbajwa
Member

Actually the lovely lady who ripped Fraud Paracha a new one, is one of my favorite teachers from school :D Fabulous lady.

And i think it's fantastic how the pro- Fraud Paracha characters here are attacking not the CONTENT of what she said, but her TONE. I mean please.. once again since the argument cannot be refuted, you attack her person instead... good going.

@ doctor

Indeed the MP is from the PPP, but fact is that the mullah brigade in pakistan functions across party lines, and they waste no time declaring people kaafir or blasphemers, so her question is valid. Why is it that Aasia bibi gets the death penalty, but a person who justifies burying women alive does not even merit a single WORD from the same "guardians of morality".

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 12:13 #
toamin
member

That aggressive liberal auntie was comparing apple with orange, poor logic-

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 12:24 #
sweettruth
Member

Fareed paracha is nothing but begharat and besharam; shame on Jamat islami. Will they ever change?

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 12:29 #
nota
Member

@bitterlies
"Fareed paracha is nothing but begharat and besharam"
Coming from you, we know the truth is the other way around. Specially funny is the fact that you and your ilk always accuse them of being the "ghairat brigade" (not realizing that in doing so you are admitting to being the "bayghairat berigade") :-P

"Actually the lovely lady who ripped Fraud Paracha a new one"
That is hardly called "ripping a new one". The poor fella just got confused between "Aasia" and "Aafia" but you can enjoy this BIG "victory"! :-P

"and they waste no time declaring people kaafir or blasphemers"
Well at least they don't have to declare a certain segment "kaafir" any more for the Constitution does it for them. Now you are not against the constitution, are you? :-P

"Why is it that Aasia bibi gets the death penalty, but a person who justifies burying women alive does not even merit a single WORD from the same "guardians of morality"."
Your much touted "freedom of speech" sort of covers it, doesn't it? Now if he had "burried women alive", I am sure no one will mind him getting the same tratment as Aasia. That is the law, ain't it? Interesting thing is you seem to have no issue with this fella being a minister even though he is one of those fake-degree holders and shouldn't even be in the parliament. He is a proven scvm, not Mr. Paracha. I am sure Mr. Paracha at least holds a degree that is not jali. :)

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 13:31 #
bsobaid
Member

Good point raised by Asma.

She was the one who filed a petition when ISI kidnapped Aafia and at that time all ghairat-o-hummiat group was tight lipped. Once ISI handed her over to US, ISI gave a green signal to its ghulams aka Ansar Abbasis and Hamid Mirs who would raise skies against amreeka and democratic government. The situation is then exploited to its favour by our establishment.

We should now understand establishment games and stop getting fooled by them anymore.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 14:49 #
oneUp
Member

what's the contribution of liberal aunties to society, apart from party hopping?

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 15:07 #
bsobaid
Member

I dont know what you mean by liberal aunties but many lawyer NGO organisations have helped a great deal the most marginalized, voice less and vulnerable sections of society i-e Women.

You have no idea of the horror stories many women in Pakistan go through when whole society just discard them and they have no where else to go but these shelters.

Your post almost remind me of some moulvi sahab from Pakhtoonkhowa who himself runs a big madarsa and issue a fatwa saying all NGOs are haram!! This was the height of ignorance.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 15:33 #
Dusky
Member

@ سلام :
اب یہ اسماء شیرازی جو امریکی سفارتخانے میں جا کر کالے انگریزوں کو تفریح مہیا کرتی ہے

جناب ذرا اس کی تو وضاحت کریں ویڈیو تو سب نے دیکھئی ہے آپ نہ اسے کیا دیکھا؟

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 15:43 #
bsobaid
Member

iss video mein konn see aasma shirazi hai? ,ein nay tou sirf Aasma Jegangir ko dekha iss video mein.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 15:47 #
Dusky
Member

Not this video, he is referring to one surfing on you tube where she attended US consulate party with many other journalist/anchor persons.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 15:51 #
bsobaid
Member

Seriously, they did no crime attending parties hosted by some consulate. It is a norm. Ghairat-o-hummiat group always looking for excuses to disgrace their rivals through these cheap tactics.

In one of his news articles, the biggest establishment ka ghulaam Ansar Abbasi called himself a good muslim and called his rivals in jounalism as sharabi and dollar and amreek kay ghulaam. A typical Zia baqiatt mentality adopted in entirety by Ansar Abbasis and Shabaz Sharifs.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 15:56 #
shirazi
Member

If journalists are not cozy with information sources how will they extract information?

Kashif Abbasi's very valid argument during Hamid Mir's tape.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 16:06 #
oneUp
Member

@bsobaid most of these NGO's don't do a sh!t and plunder funds. case in point asma jahilgeer who exploited the mukhtaran mai case . people who actually do work for social causes don't make a fuss about it. our liberal aunties are bigoted who label all maulanas as fanatics... so much for their 'liberated thinking'.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 16:43 #
bsobaid
Member

There may be NGOs like these but Asma Jahangir has done lots of good things for suffering women. Yes, she is outspoken but she is the only one to have courage to talk against establishment as she pointed out, she was the one who filed petition for Aafia when ISI kidnapped her and ghaira-o-hummiat group only made it an issue after getting freen signal from establishment after she was handed over (sold) to CIA by ISI.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 16:46 #
d0ct0r
Member

"Aik Asia baby ki baat ho rahi hai, Asia aik unparh jahil aurat ki baat ho rahi hai"

Her beloved Asia Baby is unparh jahil so she is somehow permitted to defame,malign or abuse prophet or Allah? Allah quite explicitly states about Asia Baby types in quran.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 20:35 #
d0ct0r
Member

@HkBajwa

JI's senator's reaction in parliament about that savage act.

"We condemn this barbaric act," said Mohammed Ibrahim, a senator for the Islamist Jamaat-e-Islami party. "This is against Islam, against humanity and against civilized culture."

My response remains the same,rather then directing that question towards Dr Fareed Paracha,the lady should've asked PPP's patronized Asma Jehanghir why and how did she accepted the support of such a party which isn't ready to take action against this criminal,in fact on the contrary they have elevated him as minister and he even survived the latest downsizing of cabinet in which even many senior stalwarts of ppp were unable to secure their seats..

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 21:01 #
zenith
Member

Both Parties are double faced; however, islamic parties have caused more damage. The liberals have had their share of the damage too.

Hypocrisy is the biggest curse of Pakistan.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Feb 2011 21:16 #
Sahnaz
Member

Jamhooria Islamia, a monthly Baluchi magazine published from Panj-gar, published an interview in its 1999 February issue with Maulana Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khan, a confidant of and adviser to Maulana Qazi Ahmed—the Amir of the leading Pakistani Islamic party, Jamaat-e-Islami. The interview was conducted by Jalil Amir. The following constitutes are excerpts from that conversation which reveals the fundamentalist ideology and designs of the organization and its leader.

EQUALITY OF MEN AND WOMEN IS STUPIDITY

Q: The women issue is very controversial nowadays. Taliban and some fundamentalist organizations restrict the freedom of women while some progressive Muslim intellectuals are insisting that the women are equal to men in all spheres. What are Qazi's views on women?

A: As I said earlier, the Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) views on women are the exact views of Qazi Ahmed and the Jamat. Equality of men and women is stupidity. What men can do, women cannot do. Women are weak physically and mentally compared to men. Men have to take care of women all the time.

WOMEN MUST STAY HOME

Women should not have a life outside the family. Education can be provided to them, but not to compete with men in public.

NO VOTING RIGHTS FOR WOMEN UNDER SHARIA

Qazi had said once that when JI comes to power in Pakistan, he will abolish the voting rights of women and minorities. Only the Muslim men can participate in voting or standing for elections. When I asked the proof from Hadiths, he had quoted many Hadiths in support of that. I asked him why is it that it is never talked about openly in the public by the Jamaat? Qazi had said that the hints are all over the place. But JI did not make it a big issue since the women who currently have the voting rights may vote against JI in the elections if such a thing is said openly.

NON MUSLIMS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES MUST PAY JIZYA

Q: That brings us to the question of minorities. Will they have to pay Jizya tax?

A: Yes. They have to pay the tax. As explained by Qazi Ahmed , the idea of Jizya is not protection money. But it is a monetary force on the non-Muslim to convert to Islam. Once the Jamaat comes to power, the minorities will be induced (forced) to become Muslims either by monetary or psychological factors.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=49218554014&topic=15953 - CachedGet more discussion results

Posted 1 year ago on 01 Mar 2011 2:17 #
shirazi
Member

I was reading somewhere Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt have similar views. There is problem with all these mullahs.

Posted 1 year ago on 01 Mar 2011 2:32 #
hkbajwa
Member

@ sahnaz

hahahahaha... wow... so the JI keep the whole "won't let women work, study or vote thing kept under wraps because they do not want to lose the women's vote??

How honest and open of them indeed. They have no problem with women voting as long as it assists them it getting into power.. But once there they will disenfranchise them... well that sounds like fraud to me. They are clearly trying to fool the electorate.

Also i love how they wish to "force" non-muslims to become muslims through monetary and psychological factors.. clearly they do not heed the Quran when it states "la Iqrah fi deen" (there is no compulsion/force in religion).

To create muslims by coercion is the biggest blasphemy i can think of, because it creates "surface" muslims who convert only with the purpose of escaping discrimination in society..

Whatever this nutjob says, that was never the purpose of Jizya. Jizya is the tax for the upkeep of the state paid by non-muslims instead of zakaat. Zakaat is a religiously binding obligation for muslims and thus cannot be forced upon non-muslims. However non-muslims are a part of society are thus are equally responsible for the cost of maintaining government. For that they pay jizya which entitles them to the same rights in said society as the muslims who pay zakaat for the upkeep of government.

This nonsense of using it to create a society where being non-muslim becomes a liability is not only horrendously primitive, but in direct contravention of the very book that they claim to follow.

But then again, the JI is quite well known for its islamic rhetoric, but not its islamic actions.

Posted 1 year ago on 01 Mar 2011 5:30 #
revolutionary
Member

بال ٹھاکرے کی غنڈی ہے یہ عاصمہ پاکستانی مذہبی جماتوں اور اسلام سے خاص پرخاش رکھتی ہے اور بال ٹھاکرے سمیت انڈین آرمی کی پرستار ہے. اگر انسانی حقوق کی اتنی ہی علمبردار ہوتی تو انڈیا میں بال ٹھاکرے جیسوں کو خوش کرنے کے لئے ان کے رنگ میں نہ ڈھال جایا کرے. کشمیر کے مسلمان اس کو نظر نہیں آتے.

http://pakalert.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/asama-jhangir.jpg

Posted 1 year ago on 01 Mar 2011 6:36 #
semirza
Moderator

Religion being discussed. Moved to Faith and Religion.

Posted 1 year ago on 01 Mar 2011 10:08 #
Alexander
Member

JI is the party which truely believe in promoting the islamic norms and always protests any illegal stance of any personality who defame islamic values .just in Asia;s issue JI stance is clear that she is convicted by the court of law and it should be upto the courts who are by blessings of God are now free to give justice .let them play their role and do not interfere in any case .It always condemn the extremism but will not allow anybody to defame OUR HOLY PROPHET(SAWM)

Posted 1 year ago on 02 Mar 2011 15:03 #
khan_gee007
Member

To know about Jamaat e Islami visit their website, you will find their point of view on all aspects of life especially Status of Women

http://www.Jamaat.org

For information on Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt please go to:
http://www.ikhwanweb.org

@Shanaz
Don't use the un-authentic material against the people you don't know, even name of Qazi Hussain Ahmed is not correct in your article (he is not Moulana)

@Shirazi
What do you mean by somewhere? may be in your dreams? in both parties (Brotherhood & Jamaat) they have very active women wings. I am sure more women are following these parties than women like Asma jahangir!

Posted 11 months ago on 12 Jun 2011 22:31 #
shaagird
Member

very nice! fareed parachi mazeed zaleel ho gaye....

Posted 11 months ago on 13 Jun 2011 13:27 #
toamin
member

تعصب کی آگ میں ہم بس ایک دوسرے کو ذلیل ہوتا دیکھ کر خوش ہوتے ہیں، کل کو یہی خاتون آپ کے آیت اللہ پر پھبتی کسے گی تو شاید میں ایسے کلمات نہ ادا کروں جیسے شیعہ حضرات ادا کر رہے ہیں

Posted 11 months ago on 25 Jun 2011 15:20 #
shaagird
Member

tou aap fareed paracha ko deen ka thekaydaar tasleem kertay hain
humaray ayatollah siasat say gurez kertay hain.... is liye aisi nobat nahin aye gi..... wo hidayat kertay hain, siyasat nahin!

or fareed paracha nay tou khud apnay aap ko zaleel kiya hai, doosray ki baat ko na sun ker or ek premature jawab de k..... ye osama ki maut ko ek drama bhi maantay hain, or phir usama ki shahadat ka bhi elaan kertay hain or ghaibana namaz-e-janaza bhi perhtay hain. in ki aqal ko daad deni chahiye

or in aunty ko liberal ka tag kyun diya ja raha hai??????? kyun k inhon ne sar pe dupatta nahin orha huwa??????? lekin inhon nay baat tou islamic ki hai!!!!!! jub k fareed paracha nay ghair islamic baat ki hai....... lekin kyun k in ki daarhi hai, or ye islam k naam levah hain... is liye kafi loagon ki nazr mein baray mohtaram hain

Posted 11 months ago on 25 Jun 2011 16:40 #
toamin
member

کیا آیت اللہ صاحب دین و دنیا کو تقسیم کر کے جیتے ہیں؟ دنیاوی معاملات میں جن کو سیاسی ہی کہا جاتا ہے ان کی کوئی رائے نہیں؟ مذکورہ بحث پر شیعہ فکر کی کوئی رائے نہیں؟

آج لا دین کی بغل میں بیٹھ کر ہنستے ہو کل یہی لا دین آپ کے آیت اللہ کی باتوں کو دقیانوسی کرار دے کر ہنسیں گے

میرے لئے فرید پراچہ اتنا ہی محترم ہے جتنا آپ کا آیت اللہ

Posted 11 months ago on 25 Jun 2011 17:17 #
shaagird
Member

islam mukammal deen hai.... or ye insano ki hidayat k liye hai, na k siyasat kerwanay k liye.... is ka ek pillar ADL hai..... or adl k baghair kuch mumkin nahin.... or adl hidayat k zarye kiya jaatay hai, na k siyasat k zarye say

islam poori insaniyat k liye aaya hai..... sirf musalmano k liye nahin hai.... koi hidayat le, ya na le, us ka zimedar wo khud hoga... is deen ko siyasat k tor pe ek doosray k khilaaf istemaal kerna he ghalat hai

or ye islam k naamlevah, in ki kiya credibility hai????

na koi laa deen ki baghal mein baith k hans raha hai, or na kisi ko pervah hai k laa deen kia sochtay hain.... aap ko pervah hogi shayad...

lekin kyun k khilafat siyasi bunyaadon pe bani thee, na k divine thee, is waja say aap nay siyasat ko islam ka hissa samajh liya hai
hukumran jo bhi ho, us ka maqsad Allah k qanoon k mutabiq Adl kerna hai, na k Allah k qanoon mein rado badal

Posted 11 months ago on 25 Jun 2011 22:45 #
toamin
member

عوام کے امور کی دیکھ بھال اور انتظامی امور چلانے کو سیاست کہا جاتا ہے، بنی اسرائیل کی سیاست انبیاء کیا کرتے تھے جبکہ امت محمدی میں سیاست خلیفہ کریں گے، حضرت علی بھی سیاسی رہنما تھے، اور حضرت حسن بھی خلیفہ بنے، حضرت حسین نے بھی سیاسی عمل کا احتساب کیا اور جان دینے سے بھی گریز نہیں کیا

اسی طرح شیعہ تاریخ میں اس گروہ کے تمام معاملات ہمیشہ امام کی قیادت میں ہی رہے ہیں، وہی سیاسی و روحانی قائد رہا کرتا تھا، ایسے نہیں تھا کہ شیعہ امام کوئی اور سیاسی قائد کوئی اور، روز مرہ زندگی میں انسانی معاشرے کو سیاسی قیادت چاہیے ہوتی ہے کہ فیصلے ہوں اور زندگی آگے بڑھے

اب چونکا شیعہ امام پچھلے ہزار سال سے غائب ہیں تو کوئی فیصلہ نہیں ہو سکتا کیونکہ امام کے ساتھ ان کا علم بھی غائب ہے، جو موجود ہے وہ تو نہ مکمل ہے یعنی غلطی کا امکان موجود ہے

رسول پاک ص خود مدینہ میں ریاستی امور خارجہ و داخلہ چلاتے تھے اور صحابہ معاونت کرتے تھے

اسی طرح جن احادیث کی روایت سنی کتب میں ملتی ہیں ان کے مطابق امام مہدی خلیفہ کی تقرری میں اختلاف کے وقت ہی سامنے آئیں گے اور لوگ ان کو کہیں گے کہ خلیفہ بنیں، یعنی ان کے آنے سے پہلے خلافت کا قیام ہو چکا ہوگا

اب آپ ان روایات کو نہیں مانتے تو میں کیا کروں

لیکن ہمارے ہاں یہ کوئی خوفیہ علم کا چکر نہیں، کیا یہ خوفیہ علم "عدل" کے اصول کے خلاف نہیں؟

آداب

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 4:25 #
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Salam

can you read the alphabets in the topline?

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 4:27 #
toamin
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ارے بھائی مجھے شاگرد سے بات کرنے دو، کیا الٹی سیدھی ہانک کر تمام شیعہ برادری کی ناک کٹوا رہے ہو؟

چالیس پینتالیس سال آپ کی عمر ہے اور حرکتیں چودہ پندرہ سالہ لڑکے جیسی کر رہے ہیں

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 4:30 #
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Salam

can you read the alphabets in the topline?

okay now look how much blood is spilling your lap due to your kati huwi naq :P

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 4:56 #
toamin
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کیا آپ کے پاس علم جعفر ہے جو غائب میں بھی نظر آ رہا ہے؟ یا یوں ہی بےتکی ہانکنا آپ کی عادت ہے؟

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 5:05 #
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Salam

so you do know about baytuki batein lol

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 5:16 #
toamin
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“How wonderfully gracious God is! It sets a seal on those who listen and do not understand, argue and yet learn nothing. God is gracious. Its wrath is gracious, and even Its lock is gracious. But Its lock is nothing next to Its unlocking, for the grace of that is indescribable. If I shatter into pieces, it is through the infinite grace of God’s unlocking.”

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 6:58 #
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Salam

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“How wonderfully gracious God is! It sets a seal on those who listen and do not understand, argue and yet learn nothing. God is gracious.
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Agreed 100%

Shagirid

isnt that exactly what Salam has been doing, not answering at all and pretending to be blind

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 7:19 #
toamin
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ظاہر ہے اب اپنے شاگرد سے ہی اپنی رائے کی تصدیق کروائیں گے، کسی اور سے کروانے سے تو رہے

کنویں کا گواہ مینڈک

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 8:03 #
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anyone is welcome to see the threads

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 8:28 #
shaagird
Member

imam mojood hain... or ghaibat mein hain....
lekin is ka ye matlab nahin hai k ilm bhi ghaibat mein hai... ilm ghayab nahin ho sakta.... ilm haazir rehta hai, usay sirf samajhna hota hai.....

humaray mutabiq Imam mojood hain, yaani un ki wiladat ho chuki hai.... jis cheez pe humara aqeedah hai, us ko aap nay abhi tak sirf ye keh ker jhutlaya hai k imam ghayab hain... tou yehi baat tou pehlay aap apnay khalifa k liye kijiye...
aap ki khilafat ka koi ata pata nahin..... agar aap k liye khalifa ka hona buhat zaroori hai ek islami intizamiya ko chalanay k liye, tou yaani is waqt khilafat ki ghair mojoodgi ka ye matlab huwa k musalmano k paas ko intizami oomoor sanmbhalnay wala nahin hai!!!! yaani ummah idher udher baghair kisi leadership or direction k bhatak rahi hai

paighambar hidayat k liye aaye thay..... na k hukumrani k liye..... unhon nay apnay fail say loagon ko sikhaya... or hidayat ki k kis tarhan islam k tehat roz marrah k maamool ko nimtana chahiye....

or siyasat ki waja say he tou ummah mein firqay banay hain.... or ye khilafat kaisa system ho jo payedaar he nahin!!!!!!! ummah mein tou kayee 100 saal pehlay he hissay ho gaye thay jub loge kisi ek khalifa pe ittefaaq nahin ker paye.....
lekin kyun k aap k nazdeek hidayat divine nahin..... or koi bhi insaan khalifa ban k apni marzi doosro pe thop sakta hai tou ye tou khud he islam ki nafi hai, kyun k religion mein koi compulsion nahin hota..... eemaan ka talluq dil say hota hai...

Posted 11 months ago on 26 Jun 2011 9:07 #

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