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so called secular state ,link for those who says pak was wrongly made

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  1. Beenai
    Moderator

    http://ejang.jang.com.pk/07-20-2011/Karachi/pic.asp?picname=03_05.gif

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 4:56 #

  2. choosy
    Member

    sahi farmaya aap ne.

    India mein karnatak mein Bhagwat Geeta parhnay pe majbor kiya ja raha hay bachon ko.
    had ho gaye.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 5:26 #

  3. scindian
    Member

    Maulana Azad made some predictions about the future of Pakistan before its creation, saying that religious conflict
    would tear it apart and its incompetent rulers would pave the way for military rule. The reasons he gave were the following:

    1. The Muslims in India are not one community--they are divided into many sects and to them Islam means undiluted loyalty to their own sect. Even minor issues like raising hands during the prayer have created serious disputes.As a result of this, they have become rigid and deeply rooted in their communalism. Therefore, when Pakistan comes into existence it will face seriousconflicts of religious. Communal hatred will extinguish all possibilities of peaceful co-existence among various sects of Islam.

    2. Nowhere does Islam provide for the division of territories to settle populations on the basis of belief. The division of territories on the basis of religion is a contraption devised by the Muslim league because only under the banner of Islam they could rally the hostile sects together.The partition based on religion and not on any natural barrier like the rivers and mountains etc. is bound to fail.

    3. It will not be possible to accommodate all the Muslims of India, a task beyond the territorial capacity of Pakistan. More than 30 million Muslims will be left behind, reducing them into a much smaller minority than before and therefore at the'' mercy'' of the Hindus.

    4. Bengal disdains outside leadership and will reject it sooner or later. Additionally, there is nothing in common between East and West Pakistan except that they call themselves Muslims, but the fact of being Muslim has never created durable unity anywhere in the world.
    The Arab world is before us; they subscribe to a common religion, a common civilisation, culture and even a common language and a common territory. Despite that, as there is no political unity among them and their systems of Government are different, they have a history of hostilities.
    As the language, customs and way of life of East and West Pakistan are different,they are bound to separate.

    5. After the separation of East Pakistan, West Pakistan will become the battleground of religious contradictions and disputes. The assertion of Sub--national identities of all the provinces will open the doors for foreign intervention.

    6. The real reason why a separate country is demanded is not religion but economic development. Muslims have no confidence in their ability and competitiveness. They have become paranoid, lethargic and cowardly--they fear competition. The Muslim feudals and capitalists are apprehensive of the threat of open competition and want a Muslim state where they have the monopoly to control the economy without any competition.

    7.India has large Muslim neighbours on three sides. Why would the majority Hindus be interested to wipe out the Muslims? Is it easy to finish off 90 million people?

    Muslims have every right to demand constitutional safeguards for themselves but the partition of India cannot promote their interests. The demand for partition is a politically incorrect solution of a communal problem.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 6:43 #

  4. choosy
    Member

    scindian bhai,
    ufffffffff.
    Moulana Moudodi ne Pakistan ki mukhlifaat ki.
    aur unkay pass reasons hon gaye.

    magar 10 lakh logon ne Pakistan ko sahi kaha.

    aur ab India mein rehnay walay Muslims se pochien.
    wohh khud kehtay hain Pakistan sahi bana tha.

    aik aadmi ki soch subki tarjumani nahi kar sakti.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 7:04 #

  5. choosy
    Member

    scindian,
    aur haan upper khabar kay link pe kiya tabsara hay?

    wahan zabardasti Bhagwat Geeta parhai ja rahi hay bachon ko.

    isskay baray mein kiya khayal hay?

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 7:05 #

  6. ajhons
    Member

    Baloch separatistare doing the same thing in Baluchistan schools.Don't sing national anthem and don't fly Pakistani flagelse you will be dommed.

    2010
    September 28
    Unidentified men threw a hand grenade at the Government High School in Industrial Town Hub of Lasbela district, injuring three people.[90]

    August 13
    An explosive device was detonated at the Model High School in Khuzdar district.[91]

    June 1
    A bomb exploded outside a school on Munawer Road in Quetta. No one was injured but the school’s walls were damaged.[92]

    June 1
    Unidentified men threw a grenade at a primary school on Manojan Road in Quetta while 200 children were playing outside during recess. No one was injured.[93]

    May 10
    A bomb attached to the wall of Balochistan University of Engineering and Technology in Khuzdar district was remotely detonated, injuring at least two children who were playing nearby.[94]

    April 19
    An unknown assailant threw a grenade into a group of children at the Syed Educational School in Loralai. A teacher quickly picked up the device and threw it onto the roof where it exploded. Nobody was injured.[95] Nine days later, another grenade was thrown into the school and exploded; no one was injured.[96]

    April 6
    A rocket exploded in the courtyard of a school in Kohlu district, partially damaging the building.[97]

    March 18
    A bomb detonated near a school in Dera Bugti district. Three people nearby were injured.[98]

    March 3
    Unknown attackers hurled three grenades into a Balochi cultural show at the University of Engineering and Technology in Khuzdar.[99] According to press accounts, at least one student was killed and at least nine were wounded.[100]

    2009
    November 7
    An unidentified assailant hurled a grenade at the Government Girls High School on Manojan Road, Quetta. The grenade blew a hole in the staff room roof and shrapnel wounded two teachers and at least one student.[101]

    July 18
    Unknown attackers hurled a grenade near a private school in Arbab Town area, Quetta, damaging a wall.[102]

    June 13
    Unknown assailants threw a hand grenade at a private school in Shahbaz town in Quetta. The blast damaged the school’s roof.[103]

    March 2
    A suicide bomber attacked a girls’ madrassa (Islamic school) in Kali Karbala in Pishin district. Six people were reported killed and 12 others wounded. Capital City police officer for Quetta, Humayun Khan Jogezai, told media the suicide bomber was 14 or 15-years-old, although other news reports stated he was older. The Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI-F) Islamic political party viewed the attack as an attempt on their leader, Maulana Abdul Wasay, a senior provincial minister who was visiting the school at the time.[104]

    2008
    October 19
    Unknown men threw a bomb at a car parked outside a school in Quetta. The vehicle was damaged but there were no casualties.[105]

    September 19
    A bomb exploded at a madrassa north of Quetta run by the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam. At least five people died, and another 10 to 14 were wounded. Reports vary as to whether the incident was a suicide bombing, or whether the bomb was thrown or planted.[106]

    August 3
    Alleged militants set furniture, computers, and records ablaze at Babul Islam Model Public Girls School, a private school in a Ghilji colony in Quetta. Four rooms were destroyed.[107]

    February 25
    Unknown persons broke into a textbook warehouse on Sariab Road, Quetta, and set fire to the books. The warehouse supplied free textbooks to students throughout Balochistan. Five percent of the facility’s books were reportedly destroyed.[108]

    Bhai hum tu dhang say India main dehshatgardi bhi nahi karsaktay unkay taleemi nisab pay kia khak tabsara karain

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 7:09 #

  7. choosy
    Member

    he he he
    ajhons bhai, jigar dost
    yahan baat ka point hay.
    kay bharat khud ko secular bolta hay
    aur yeh tamashaay kar raha hay.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 7:11 #

  8. ajhons
    Member

    yeah baat tu sab ku pata hay.Na sirf musalmanoon par balkay christians par bhi bohat zulm hota hay india main.Hindu zehni tor par aik mutassib quom hay and kabhi bhi seculer nahi ho sakta.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 8:12 #

  9. choosy
    Member

    sahi kaha.
    magar sari duniya India ki secularism pe waah waah karti hay.
    aur hum pe thookti hay.
    yeh kion bhala?

    India ka publicity department tagra hay.
    yah usski position tagri hay ?

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 8:17 #

  10. ajhons
    Member

    unka publicity deparment bhi tagra hay aur unki position bhi.Aur yeah baat bhi hay kay hum nay bhi apnay aap par thooknay kay bohat mooqay dunya ku farahum kiye hain.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 8:21 #

  11. choosy
    Member

    ajhons bhai,
    hum ne nahi, humaray hukumrano ne fraham kaye hain thooknay kay mouqay.
    magar sach hay
    apni izzat karana bhi aik art hay.
    jo india ko aata hay humein nahi.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 8:24 #

  12. 2011pakistan
    Member

    India has been flourishing under civilian (civilized) rule,whereas, Pakistan has been ruled under military Generals.
    This is the main difference.

    Present day Pakistan is not Jinnah KA Pakistan,
    This Zardari (NRO Walon) ka Pakistan.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 8:40 #

  13. ajhons
    Member

    2011pakistan Bhai
    Jinnah ka pakistan tu 1948 main he khatam hu giya tha.Ab tu yeah Army mullah and jagerdar ka pakistan hay.Awam tu bas rent pay reh rahi hay.Han rent zara ziada hu giya hay kuch saloon say.Pehlay tu sirf mehngai say guzara hu jata tha ab jan ki qeemat deni parti hay yahan rehnay key leyeah

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 8:44 #

  14. scindian
    Member

    Dear all
    I think this is not a big issue

    Baghwat Gita is holy book of Hindus, like other scripts of other religion but however religiousness knowledge must not be condition for Government or private Jobs any where in the world. except few Jobs which require religious knowledge .

    In Sindh, Hindu Sindhi get more numbers in Islamiat exame papers than Muslim Sindhies,

    I think Muslims should read the Bagwat Gita so that they can compare Holy Quran with that one.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 9:59 #

  15. ajhons
    Member

    scindian
    Brother we don't need to compare Quran with any other book.All religious books teach respect for other fellow humans.I wonder what if minorities in pakistan do the same thing, i.e compersary reading of Quran, what will be the reaction of india and west.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 10:04 #

  16. choosy
    Member

    scindian,
    kiya kaha?
    ufffff
    yahan kay logon ka maloom hay.

    adha adhora kacha pakka aiman
    uss pe agar bhagwat gita bhi parhwa do tou gaye kaam se.

    sari kitabien parh kay unka comparison karna buhat hi zaida educated and research karnay walay intellects ka kaam hay
    humaray tumhary liye turjamy wala Quran samjh leena hi aik karnama hay.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 10:06 #

  17. scindian
    Member

    Dear fellows

    Dr Zaqir Naiq is good Muslim scholar of comparative religions. He recommends to read Holy Quran with translation and understanding firstly and then do read other religious books so that Muslims can compare and justify Islam as righteous religion for mankind.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 11:36 #

  18. choosy
    Member

    bhai bhai,
    wohhi mera point hay.
    mein aap ki baat samjh chuka.

    aap mera point bhi tou samjho.
    humari aqaldani itni choti hay kay hum afford nahi kar saktay har mazhub ko parhna.

    hum ho jayien gaye confuse e azam.
    apna muzhab bhi gudd mudd kar dein gaye.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 11:42 #

  19. scindian
    Member

    Dear all

    Don't you all do things which Islam prohibits to do while in foreign lands.

    Don't you Pledge of Allegiance before flags of Muslims and Non-Muslims countries (disbelievers).

    Don't you take non-islamic oaths for citizenship for western as well as Muslim countries.

    Havn't your ancestors didnt bow and kneel down before Muslim emperors of India.

    if above all is true then let majority do what they want in thier countries.

    It like "while in Rome do as Romans do" or else leave that place forever.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 11:57 #

  20. choosy
    Member

    bhai,
    yahan point yeh chal raha hay kay india jo itnay dhol bajata hay apnay secular honay kay,uss mulk mein yeh ho raha hay.

    yahan baat citizens kay nikal janay ki nahi ho rahi.
    Govt kay double standard ki hay.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 12:02 #

  21. scindian
    Member

    My point is.

    To learn (not necessary to believe) religious beliefs and local languages of foreign lands always benefit the minorities every where in the world.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 12:02 #

  22. choosy
    Member

    acha,yani India kay secularism kay **** pe aap mutmaeen hain?

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 12:07 #

  23. scindian
    Member

    Agar India "dance" kar raha hai ya "dance" naheen kar raha hameen iss se kia.

    Agar India wahaan ke musalmaano ke khilaaf hai to ham kia karain.

    wahaan bhi to pakistan se ziada musalmaan hain. aur Bangali muslims kia kar rahe hain.

    Arabs and Iran and turk Muslims have good relations with india than pakistan.

    Karnal Kadafi yesterday has said that " situation in libya will be like Pakistan if he quits Libya"

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 13:05 #

  24. choosy
    Member

    bhai
    aik image pe baat chal rahi hay jo secularism ka hay aur india ka hay aur jhoota hay.

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 13:08 #

  25. sadaekashmir
    Member

    سندیں صاحب کا کہنا ٹھیک ہے . دیگر دینی یا مذھبی کتب بھی پڑھنی چاہیئں تا کہ ہمیں معلوم ہو کہ وو کیا کہتی ہیں . اس کا قطعی یہ مطلب نہیں کہ ان پر عمل بھی کرنا ہو گا

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 16:33 #

  26. sadaekashmir
    Member

    لیکن آپ کا یہ کہنا کہ عرب، ایرانی اور ترک انڈیا سے دشمنی یا اختلاف نہیں رکھتے تو اس کا ایک جواب یہ ہو سکتا ہے کہ یہ تینو ممالک انڈیا کے نہ تو ہمساے ہیں اور نہ ہے ان سب کے اور انڈیا کے مابین متنازہ علاقہ جات ہیں جن کی وجہ سے فریقین انڈیا اور پاکستان میں جنگیں ہو چکی ہیں

    Posted 10 months ago on 20 Jul 2011 16:44 #

  27. electric
    Member

    bharat ki secular aazadi .. aik dhook hay ....
    buhat hi zaida tasoob rakhna wala tabqa ab waha par bhi qabiz ho chuka hay ...
    i think slowly in this world the far right and conservatives parties are winning and getting more support ..
    and globally i think we are all going towards a big showdown...

    Posted 10 months ago on 21 Jul 2011 0:09 #

  28. expakistani
    Member

    Good news... Whatever muslims read they trend to practice something totally opposite...
    Like they read Quran but look @ their practice...
    They would ready and tell Hadith but "Amal" is no where

    Ab Geeta parheen gey .... or practice muslims ke tara kareen ge.

    Thank you Government of Karnateka!!!!

    Posted 10 months ago on 21 Jul 2011 1:41 #

  29. electric
    Member

    ^
    ^
    hahahaha

    Posted 10 months ago on 21 Jul 2011 1:52 #

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