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Muslim model Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno has become the first woman in Malaysia to be sentenced to a caning after being caught drinking beer in a beach resort
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Prosecutor Saiful Idham Sahimi said: "This is the first case in Malaysia. It is a good punishment because under Islamic law a person who drinks commits a serious offence."
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"I want to respect the law," Kartika said in a telephone interview from her northern home state of Perak. "Who am I to question the Islamic authorities' laws? That is beyond me."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5itOqx2OPWTrQQQWY4cLWitpyUqzQ
khurram Zaman
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Islam is one and the real no fundamentalist,conservatives,liberals in Islam.Islam is islam and must be followed its rules and implemented at any case..
Islam has a complete code of life and complete way of life and need to be entered completly in islam.......
This is good for this model to accept it as islamic law in this life.....
Would this incident help to boost the image and love for Islam, as a Complete Code of Life?
Do you think that such incidents would motivate the Non-Muslims to embrace Islam?
If yes, please explain how?
khurram Zaman
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Do you think that such incidents would motivate the Non-Muslims to embrace Islam???
This shows ur knowledge abt basic concept of Islam..
No one can take burden or claim that he is responsible for conversion of non muslims to muslims.......
ALLAH already took the responsibility of converters that its me giving hidaya to people not you people...
this need ur record to be updated.....
khurram Zaman
Member
Another proof is that islam is on boom to be accepted as religion as compared to others despite having the wealth push and propaganda against Islam through media using and propagating concepts like you have abt its complete code of life...
What is ur concept abt Islam how should it be......???
I am least worried about Islam as God/Allah is the custodian of all of the religions He, produced.
At the moment I am much worried about the pathetic and miserable social, economic and moral condition of the Muslims.
When and how a Complete Code of Life would be in action to create and conceive a change to make this World Completely Peaceful?
When and How we will see the light at the end of the tunnel?
shahzad1924
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"When and how a Complete Code of Life would be in action to create and conceive a change to make this World Completely Peaceful?
When and How we will see the light at the end of the tunnel?"
bro, the code of life is already there. the light at the end of the tunnel is already visible. its just a matter of committing oneself to the change, insha Allah
NNL
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Would this incident help to boost the image and love for Islam, as a Complete Code of Life?
Do you think that such incidents would motivate the Non-Muslims to embrace Islam?
If yes, please explain how?
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Well it would be easier to explain to a Non Muslim and there are lot of examples which can be used to explain why and how.
For eg. 99% of the people think and want Child Molestors to be shot and killed or atleast given the same treatment as they have done to their victims. But that doesnt happen does it. What Prevails the Law of the Land. And people abide by it.
In this case the lady feels perfectly fine with the punishment declared and doesnt feel it as an injustice.
Murders and Rapists are locked up in Jails but their punishments havent detered anyone else from committing such crimes now have they ? But what if the sTate used Capital Punishment in cases of Murders and Rapes how much would the crime be arrested ? ( its another debate for another day we can deal with it in another thread if u wish to discuss)
As for Non Muslim and explaining to him Why this punishment is set can be easily understood by the Laws formed and enacted in any country of the world.
If they want to believe Islam is harsh they so be it but they will all agree on the disadvantages of drinking alcohol ? So what is better ?
Besides the article clearly tells that Non Muslims are exempt from such punishments ? Now isnt that Justice ?
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Peace ?
Peace my friend you will only find in one place and one place only.
When you placing your forehead on the ground with your nose touching the floor and remembering Allah and asking Him for His Forgivness. Thats the only place in the world where you will find peace true peace. No matter how will try to present another situation but you will still have some troubling thought.
I wish the whole of the 6 billion World population embraces Islam.
And lay down at the floor with their forehead and nose touching the ground and asking Allah for Forgiveness.
What is the surety they will not again be divided into 72 or more sections?
What would be the formula to find out and detect the True Sect out of those 72?
khurram Zaman
Member
What is the surety they will not again be divided into 72 or more sections????
Can you pls have proof of only 20 sects in Islam???
I will not demand 72 from you...
khurram Zaman
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What would be the formula to find out and detect the True Sect out of those 72????
Difference of opinion is always their according to this school of thought established..They have nothing to do with saying kafir to other school of thought.But some agents from out side tried to shout against other as kafir..This is not a big issue here..
A combined decision decided abt some already,as non-muslim..
They hve already a procedure to decide abt it if you want to know give me ur mailing address to send u the details....
sasherwani
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If she was offending any local laws of the government, she was rightfully canned.
amin1924
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sasherwani,
you are missing the point, she violated a law, but she has choice to return back and face the punishment or stay in other state. Did you miss her thoughts/emotions? Also see what her family has to say about this experience.
At least be honest in giving due credit to brave/imandar lady.
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Sashwarani
The lady in question holds the same opinion as you do.
Ravian
They are again the words of the Prophet Sallaho Alahi Wasallam regarding 73 sects and they shall come true for its word of Rasool Allah sallaho alahi wasallam.
sasherwani
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@ JJ and NNL,
I firmly obey all the laws of whatever place I reside in. I dont have any right to object to the laws of the government. If I dont like the laws and regulations of the place I leave the place. I think the girl did the right thing by accepting the punishment. Who is she to challenge the laws? If the laws were too harsh, too bad for her, she shouldve thought about it before she called the place home!
Thats why I left Saudi Arabia. The idea of women not being allowed to work, drive or travel didnt suit me and I didnt want my future wife/kids to be a part of such a surpressed culture. I didnt object to the laws, I just left the place!
Red-Scorpion
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Guys,
Pls tell me when did alchohal get banned ?
Is it in Makkah or Medina ?
Is it during Prophet's lifetime ?
NNL
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Exactly Sasherwani you didnt like the Laws you chose to move.
That was a choice you made.
Khallas.
shahzad1924
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"Pls tell me when did alchohal get banned ?
Is it in Makkah or Medina ?
Is it during Prophet's lifetime ?"
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