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I happened to visit the pakspecctator some time ago.
this is what I found for you to read alongwith my reply
1. incredible indian on May 18th, 2009 :
this is a very interesting discussion on the post “It is Extreme : Shocking Picture !!!” which to me is not worth commenting as the same tells us about a man (A.Khokar) who has some personality disorder. What can be said to a man who listens to the PTV propoganda as also said by naziaa in her comment No.8. Whatever be the achievement of Pakistani forces in its wars against India is there in the history books and the whole world knows that the mainly Punjabi soldiers in the Pakistani army indulged in inhuman acts in the so called east pakistan which is now Bangladesh. More than 1 lakh of Pakistani soldiers surrendered before the Indian Army which helped Bangla Mukti Vahini to gain independence from Pakistani misrule.
2. In each successive wars Pakistan has lost to the brave Indian soldiers because of their utter foolishness and lack of professionalism. This you can check from the various accounts published by retired Pakistani Brigadiers and Genrals. When I say foolishness it means the top brass of Pakistani army is not in sync with the lower rank soldiers and there is minimal interaction between the two. Also the fact that the mainly punjabi army looks down upon the soldiers who belong to Baluch or Sindh. You can check this fact by reading historical war accounts and assessment in the Pakistani military archive.
3. Now coming to the operation to flush out taliban elements! Can you tell me anywhere in the world where the most powerful leader or country’s executive goes out of the country and a full scale army operation is launced in his absence resulting in millions of people displaced and forced to live in camps without proper, food, medication, and sanitary facilities. Even when the military operation is in full swing the country’s top leader engages in touring diplomacy begging money from donor countries inspite of the hesitancy of donors who already know that he is the Mr. 10 percent of Pakistan.
4. Recently there is a very good article by Rafia Zakaria in the Times, Pak, Saturday edition where in she has described the situation where the country’s top leader enjoys only 19 percent job approval rating by independent pollsters. Can a head of state who is not liked by people and who fares even worse than Bush when it comes to popularity when he was leaving the office order such a large scale military clampdown against people in the SWAT and other areas knowing fully well that as in Afghanistan also in Pakistan there is a tendency of local taliban to mix up among the civilian population when there is such an offensive by the military. It is a well known fact that all the taliban leadership escaped to Karachi and they are living in safe hideouts where the police and para military has no access.
5. I hope you will enlighten us and give a rebuttal if there are any considering the fact that the transparency of this ongoing offensive against taliban is there for all to see. No body of any significance captured or killed and close to million people now living in tents.
Incredible Indian
I want to ask you, you the incredible Indian, what is so special in this picture that shocked you. Two persons squabbling over a single mattress, is just an indicator that the influx of IDPs has been overwhelming and supplies are as yet, not enough. Come out of this imiganary shock because it is time for you to face some ground realities. You are right to say there is nothing worthy of comment. It is you who is suffering from multiple personality disorders including various complexes and not Mr. A Khokhar, as we Pakistanis find nothing unusual in his posts and being a Pakistani, listening to PTV is his birthright in comparison and, certainly not yours. Feel free to tune into PTV to investigate what is being propagated, as it calls for a healthy attitude to investigate and not a sick mind like yours, or if you have some grey matter left at all.
You Mr. incredible Indian, before I comment on Pakistani forces, I should remind you of your very own bravery when in the late 1950’s, your brave Indian army was routed within hours, by the Chinese and you lost Aksai Chin claimed by China as theirs, and on your part still remains to be reclaimed. Delve deeper in the same history books you referred till you find all this as documented history.
You the brave ones, in 1962 during the era of you’re democratically elected PM Nehru, you annexed the Portugese colony of Goa that opted to remain as such after the division of 1947 by the British, attacking and killing thousands of Goan Christians. A mass genocide tucked away in the history books, waiting to be realized by a shameless character like you.
Here in this part of the world, the Middle East, there is a society called the Goan Club that holds proudly on display Goan Passport and Goan Currency. The members are quite argumentive when addressed as Indians. They simply don’t like it.
Same year 1962, you did it again, but this time disguised as the so called ‘Police Action’, when thousands of Deccan Muslims were pulled out of their houses and shot point blank. Even then you were a democracy. Don’t you ever feel any remorse on your acts of bravery?
In 1965, your army of heroes, in the stealth of midnight crossed the western front. Your army boasted to have a victory toast in the Lahore gymkhana which is on record. The biggest armed offence in the history, 600 tanks rolled crossing your western front into Pakistan. The result! You lost all of them in the form of scrap that ended up in Itifaq Foundries and kept it rolling for years to come. You lost Khemkiran, Chumb, Jowrian, Suchet Garh etc along with thousands of soldiers as prisoners of war. In the history of armed conflicts our very own air marshal Noor Khan in a single dog fight shot five of your valiant MIGs over Lahore. The public watched and enjoyed it as kite flying in a Basant Mella. Ask your own army generals and brigadiers instead of pointing towards ours. The total area you lost was squared up to 400 sq miles, not kms, during the Tashkand accord. We returned your soldiers. Our media as well as yours may still be having that ceremony on record when at Wahga border, we allowed them to cross into India. We did not feed them powdered stone and glass in bread like you did to our soldiers. A total defiance of Geneva Convention because you are the only brave and incredible ones in Asia and no one else.
1971, we lost at the eastern front because of our own differences and actions. It has nothing to do with your chivalry. You on your part, right after when you lost the war of 1965, got over and posted an Israeli colonel, based in Calcutta who trained the Mukti Bahni. This is what is expected of you, and your true worth. Initiating Proxy wars is what you can do at the most and no more. Nothing there to blame Punjabis as Punjab is the most populated and it is natural that Punjabis and Pathans contribute more than others for the army simply because they are more in numbers. What the other nationality is doing after their freedom struggle, here in the Middle East is their unbeatable numbers involved in the flesh trade, of course voluntarily now. What is the difference, and so are yours. Pakistan still holds embargo on the export of its females because we respect our females more than you can ever think of. On your part female infanticide, child marriages, dowry deaths are world known facts. Shame on you the incredible Indian.
You thought that after separating East Pakistan they will come and join you. You ended up with one more adversary on your borders. Border shelling and killings had happened in the past and continue. They are no friend of yours. Admit the facts and your follies. In addition you provided us with an excuse of direct intervention into your very own affairs because you the brave ones initiated proxy wars.
I should congratulate you that the only Hindu state, Nepal is Hindu no more because of your blunders in treating a landlocked state. They have joined the Mao group. What about the ‘Seven Sisters’ on your north eastern borders. More than 170 insurgencies are active within India. Tamils are opposing your north. Dalits are a pain for you, take it where ever you want because your very own cast system is your demise. How much area you have lost to the nixalits, I’ll leave it for you to calculate. Don’t use your so called Vedic math, use real math instead. Imagine calculus, the big bang theory, the atomic elements, the use of decimal and zero all being rediscovered in twentieth century and that also in the form of poetry. What a laugh. Where were you after 400AD till now? Why there is a history blackout in the period I have mentioned. We don’t you have any solid scientific evidence to support your Vedas and Puranas, nothing more than fables, myths and superstitions.
Once more I will congratulate you, the pious one that today our office boy a Sri Lankan was distributing chocolates to all the staff. You know why. Because you lost another proxy war in Sri Lanka. You created LTTE. Got political leadership of Sri Lanka killed and in return they killed your own prime minister. This is the fruit of training suicide bombers. You meddled into the Sikh affairs. Again they killed one more of your prime ministers. What a result!
Our head of state, even if he is a crook, we have elected him. He is asking for aid and not alms as you have said. At the very least he holds some self respect not like your leaders who are known to drink their own urine. I have heard you have started bottling urine as well. You are really incredible. No match for you.
Regarding SAWAT we are at the moment flushing out those elements that you have trained and financed in Afghanistan. Why don’t you come out clear, dispatch you brave army to help NATO, instead of fighting proxy wars, and let us enjoy when the Afghan freedom fighters will administer you your favorite medicine you are so used to now, because I think the flogging your 10000 strong received from the tiny state of Sri Lanka, during Rajiv era was not enough.
Enlightened! If you want to visit any of the **** forums, leave your hindutva venom behind, otherwise………
semirza
