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Strong nation ,weak leaders ?or the Vice-Versa

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  1. as a nation ,are we a strong one ?with weak leaders ?

    or
    a weak nation with strong leaders ?

    what do u think about this ?

    i guess ;we use to be strong nation .
    as we use to have self respect ,dignity ,hard working nature ,sympathies to each other ,harmony amongst each other ,loyalty with the motherland ,sincerity with the work ,
    hospitable and generous by heart .

    now ,with the passage of time and due to weak and non eligible leaders ,we are getting down with self esteem
    ,losing our hard working nature ,became hostile to each other ,start hating each other...........

    what do u think about it ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 7:13 #
  2. toamin
    member

    well... if you ask someone who is outsider then your country is the most strongest and most dangerous threat in the whole world, but if you ask someone who is inside Pak then this country is the weakest and on the verge of breakup :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 7:27 #
  3. Weak Leader Strong nation

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 8:56 #
  4. Well put, well put. Still, the answer is perhaps that we've been forced into a position of utter weakness by leaders who, one after the other have actually served foreign powers.

    As a nation we are probably in a state close to despair. But we were a great nation and still are one. And our biggest quality still is a fine sense of self-sacrifice for the greatness of the place we call home and the people we love plus our religion of tolerance and stoicism. Everything else is immaterial.

    And bravo, psycho, for illustration. Very apt and funny at the same time.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 9:00 #
  5. bravo mirza

    we are weak nation and we need weak leader, like mushraff, zardari and yayah khan

    we are working for money, they are working for money

    what's the difference

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 9:04 #
  6. True, true, psycho, what's the difference? Perhaps we could abolish the whole thing called money. Go back to a strict system of barter trade and all necessities of daily living fairly shared.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 9:09 #
  7. psycho, we are of one mind. Thanks.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 9:26 #
  8. one love brother

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 9:30 #
  9. toamin
    member

    oh no.. mirza ghalib you are a psycho too :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 9:33 #
  10. Salam Sahib, psycho is among the more intelligent of bloggers here, just as you are yourself. And don't tell me you're against psychos. Best of people they. To be against them would be a bit racist, wouldn't it. With rationality alone, nothing gets solved. We need the proper mix. Or is that wrong, too?

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 9:51 #
  11. Ibn Taymiyyah once said :"This is why those who are in authority are of two groups: the scholars and the rulers. If they are upright, the people will be upright; if they are corrupt, the people will be corrupt."

    @khudi ka sir-e-niha....reminds me of school days where we used to sing this piece of potery on I

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 13:37 #
  12. *piece of poetry on Iqbal Dayss lol

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 13:38 #
  13. good contribution by everybody .
    but we have to take the discussion forward that what to do to make this nation a powerful one ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:21 #
  14. wantinsaf
    Member

    Both are weak in fullfilling their responsibilities.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:27 #
  15. Politically we are a Nation.
    Practically we behave like a crowd without direction.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:41 #
  16. @Sheikh sahib,
    and what do u think about the so called 'leaders' we have got?

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 14:52 #
  17. @ Beenai,
    Leaders emerge out of a Nation/Crowd.
    We cannot extract butter out of water.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:00 #
  18. @psycho

    You screwed up big time on all 6 verses. Left out an aliph and the whole thing became completely different.

    That translates to No one worthy of worship, no Allah.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:02 #
  19. اگرچہ بت ہیں جماعت کی آستینوں میں
    مجھے ہے حکم ازاں لا الہٰ الاللہ

    Another big blunder of Iqbal.

    The verse refers to the alleged story that newly convert Ansaars in Medina had second thoughts about Islam. Ansaars who? Those who are praised in the Quran and have been told that Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. The Ansaars carried idols in their sleeves, and during sujood while being led in prayer behind the Prophet SAW, they used to take out the idols and bow to the idols نعوذ باللہ. Essentially, Prophet SAW "allowed" people praying behind him hide idols in their sleeves and prostrate to them. wow!

    Completely fabricated story, افتراح but beautifully captured by Iqbal to be sung and echoed by millions of lovers of Islam.

    اس قوم نے صحابیوں کو کافر بنا نے والے کو اپنا نظریاتی پیشوا بنایا ہوا ہے- ماشاللہ -

    Nothing but great بہتان on Sahabas RAs.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:37 #
  20. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    This country is full! of weak people. That is why they choose weak leaders for themselves.

    Both! are weak. And the only news I can find to read is, with each passing day, they are both getting worse.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:46 #
  21. Sort of related:

    Straight Talk - Moral Bankruptcy. (The Nation, Sunday, 2nd May, 2010)

    Though I am still out of Pakistan, but from the emails that I have been receiving, it seems that what the country faces once again is moral bankruptcy, not only in our system of governance, but in society also.

    Whether we are tinker, tailor, soldier, sailor, rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief, we all consider ourselves above the law. You can burn, bury and maim women and children, run over innocent citizens or crush them to death in our chariots of fire or by building unsafe buildings and bridges and yet, there is no one to question you or hold you accountable, simply because in Pakistan, anything goes.

    We do not think twice about throwing empty paper bags and cigarette boxes out of our air conditioned cars, smoking in No Smoking areas, breaking traffic signals, jumping ques or shoving or pushing our way to the front, cheat, lie, embezzle money from banks and the government, as this has become our ‘expression of freedom’ and simply because ‘This is Pakistan’.

    Yet, the same Pakistanis behave very different when they are away from Pakistan. They will diligently observe the traffic laws, respectfully stand in ques and wait their turn, throw garbage in the dust bin, etc., simply because they are not in Pakistan and know that if they break the law, they will be hauled up and have their **** kicked.

    We keep blaming our personal misbehavior and misconduct on our leadership and shift the blame with the excuse that it is due to the lack of honest and sincere leadership. This may be true up to a point, but I think that the real problem is within us.

    With the passage of time and the deterioration in the quality of the civil or military leadership, the country has been forced to suffer a type of moral bankruptcy, which has plagued the nation in all sections of society, including the educated and the privileged. This is reflected in our daily life and in all our social and business activities.

    The Catch 22 phrase, ‘This is Pakistan’, focuses on our own perception of how we see ourselves as a corrupt, dishonest, violent, dangerous and misgoverned nation, an observation, which is shared by many outsiders. When Gen. Pervez Musharraf, was asked about corruption in the military, he replied: "We are all of the same stock."

    The national moral bank­ruptcy is highly evident during elections, when each time the ballot boxes are brought out and the voters, voting according to the dictates of their masters and feudal lords, they bring back the same old corrupt, morally bankrupt characters who have betrayed and disappointed them again and again.

    Corruption, like every where else in the world and can be acceptable and condoned, but up to a point, if it goes hand in hand with competence, just social order, quick and effective justice, basic and reliable civic amenities and good governance to its citizens.

    But when a country lacks any signs of law and order and incompetent and corrupt ministers, senators, bureaucrats and politicians are part and parcel of the system of governance, then good governance is just not possible and very soon civil society becomes corrupted in due time and becomes morally corrupt.

    And ordinance such as the NRO, help in legitimizing such corruption.

    This time round, it has taken less than three years of ‘democracy’ to wreak its revenge by the tales of corruption in high places. We are informed daily by our media with sordid accounts of how the country is robbed, not only by those who rule us and are paid to govern but who do not, but by those who do business and supply none other than our law enforcing agencies.

    One company allegedly imported bulletproof jackets which were declared to the customs authorities as floor mats. As such, the defrauding of a fraudulent government and individuals is the order of the day and when it comes to the paying of income tax, why is it we have no full listing of the assets held by our elected representa­tives and the income tax they pay?

    IMF have ruled that for a stable economy in a developing country, 15 percent of the GDP should be in revenues, while Pakistan has a ratio of only 7.2 percent, while our large neighbor on the other hand has managed 16 percent. And the taxes paid by our ruling elite is a joke and more evidence of the moral bankruptcy and corruption that prevails in the country.

    The so-called pillars of state are shaky and unstable and the only way they can be stabilized, is by introducing immediate and undiluted, honest and transparent good governance. And it does not take a genius to prescribe the time-tested formula of good governance.

    Good governance means redressing the problems, both social and economic. It means revising skewed policies in favor of the rich and the privileged and by introducing social justice, affordable education, healthcare and transport, clean water and basic amenities.

    In Pakistan we have the minority, who are the privileged and very rich or the majority, who are very poor and miserable and there is very little in between. And this a dangerous formula for a clash between the haves and the have nots and a recruiting ground for terrorists and the Taliban.

    If Pakistan fails to introduce good governance and a just social order in the near future, then the March of the Taliban will be replaced by the March of the Hungry and the Poor. And they will not be armed with machine guns or rocket launchers, but rocks and stones, which will break your bones. So beware, not the Ides of March, but the March of the Hungry.

    H. Maker

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 15:53 #
  22. nota, full marks for article. Except for that bit about the "recruiting ground for terrorists and the Taliban". The only class that counts in this country is what I call the bhangi class. There, one strikes gold everytime. Wake up the middle classes. It is your illiteracy which has brought ruin upon our country.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 17:23 #
  23. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Dr. Israr explained it;

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    Source: Youtube Channel: atensari

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 May 2010 17:35 #
  24. expakistani
    Member

    Leaders represent nation.... jesi quam wesa leader, Zardari and NS's party is in office bcz majority of people elected them.

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 2:26 #
  25. zia m
    Member

    Our people are as good as any nation on the face of earth.It is the elitists amongst us who are the real culprits.They don't hesitate to join forces with who ever is in power.
    They like to keep the common man in the dark.They send their children to the best schools in the country and abroad.
    We have to demand for a uniform system of education for all the citizens of the Republic.
    Aristocracy with the help of Mullacracy is ruining our nation.

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 2:38 #
  26. @baraksobama

    thanks for coordination, i accept my mistake

    the meaning by omitting "alaph" become change,

    i admire your loyalty and devotions, God bless u

    Dear Moderators

    Please remove above poem in my post,

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 5:53 #
  27. @all,
    good contributions .
    but what next?
    what can we do about changing our ownselves and our leaders?

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 5:59 #
  28. @beenai

    can u remove above poem from my post, please

    Khudi ka sar e nihan

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 6:01 #
  29. @Phsycho,
    done .

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 6:21 #
  30. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @expakistani: Bhaee jaan, how can you call less than 30% people of Pakistan = majority of Pakistan ?

    (1) 33 million people voted out of 180 million population

    (a) That's 18%, which means minority vote. That means 82% people didn't have their say.

    (b) Even if we consider 33 million out of 80 million people voted in Feb 2008 elections, it is still around 41%, which means, the majority i.e., (around 59% of the people) didn't approve of those who stood up to represent people of Pakistan.

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    (2) these votes are divided among 4 political parties (i.e., PPP, PML-N, ANP, MQM)

    Which means, no one single political party has the majority vote to change constitution of Pakistan.

    That shows a general trend of lack of trust on part of majority of people of Pakistan.

    This means, current Govt. is not representative of majority of people of Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 7:19 #
  31. the question is :
    why we vote Zardaris ,Sharifs ,Maliks ,Chudhris ,Altafs ,Walis and Qazis ????

    are we :
    a)pressurized to vote the same ppl
    b)have no option but to vote these tried and tested and failed leaders ?
    c)love these leaders to vote

    i guess option B is the answer .
    we are short of options ,when it comes to voting .

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 7:35 #
  32. it also depends upon the culture of voting same fuedals and mafias in politics that have been ruling us in all those 62 years....then consecutive Martial Laws.i think its time now to think in other way if ppl really wanna save Pakistan from destruction...otherwise there is no hope...we need to change our mentality when it comes to voting etc

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2010 12:44 #
  33. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    The problem with our politics is that it is mostly based on sectarianism, provincialism, racism and liguistism. We need to follow the Islamic ideology to really transform into a progressive nation.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 May 2010 17:03 #
  34. true@Hussain Farooqi

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 May 2010 12:46 #

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