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Supremacy of the thiefs.

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  1. Zoab Khan

    So it looks like SYRG will fight until the end to defend himself and the cronies in the party. According to Dawn news Gilani will enter a response that will not please the courts. This has been decided by the "partners of the ruling coalition." When you go to the bottom of the article you realize who the "partners" are: Chaudhry Shujaat, Riaz Pirzada(WHO?), Babar Haiwan, Afrasiab Khattak, Zahid Khan, Kalsoom Perveen(Who?), Munir Orakzai, Noorul Haq Qadri.

    If i am not mistaken these is PPP, ANP and Shujaat. No MQM or JUI-F.

    Does this mean that the people involved in this meeting are not going to be held accountable, no matter what? No judiciary can challenge their corruption cases, cannot demand an investigation of any sort.... Sounds like a good deal and something that is only viable in Pakistan.

    If this is the case does ANP realize that this could be it for them? PPP is going to fall and it will take ANP with it.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 3:34 #
  2. saladin89

    No-one can get done for corruption, this has been already pre-planned and decided between Muslim Noon and PPP.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 3:53 #
  3. Zoab Khan

    It sounds like Chaudary Shujaat will be on the wrong side of the the judiciary once again. 2 out of 2 times.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 7:32 #
  4. Adonis

    Shujaat is just trying to save his skin and Moonis Elahi. So he will support PPP against judiciary at all costs. JUI-F will most likely remain neutral. MQM will sit on the fence until it can extract maximum concessions from PPP and until it gets a green signal from GHQ.

    Army is also likely to support the government as PPP has given a free-reign to the army and army is also apprehensive about the increasing assertiveness and independence of judiciary.

    So it is basically going to be PML-N in support of judiciary on one side and everyone else on the other side.

    Imran Khan as usual will be giving lip-service to judicial independence while criticizing PML-N for hot weather in the country, mud-slides in Korea, train crash in China and all other ills in the world.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 7:45 #
  5. Scandinavian

    This is the usual stuff. As long as the mafia gangs are ruling Pakistan, then NOBODY will be held accountable apart from the ordinary/poor people. The politicians will traditionally go scot free after a possible face saving process! History is a witness to this procedure - not even crooks like Zardari, N$ and $$ have been through a proper trial!

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 7:56 #
  6. Adonis

    Tomorrow Imran Khan will blame Nawaz Sharif for Govt's refusal to implement Supreme Court's orders. This guy is really suffering from some complex psychological issues.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 11:32 #
  7. Scandinavian


    You poor "victims"....Ha, ha..ha. You stop your being "victims" game. You are exposed and hence face the GROUND REALIITY! LOL.--

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 11:43 #
  8. saladin89


    It just is a political stunt by N$ concerning judiciary, as mentioned before when the wind changes, so does MUslim Noon.
    U do know the history of Nawaz Sharif and Chief Justice, when Nawaz got cj beaten up years an years ago.

    Nawaz Sharif is an incompetant and corrupt politician.
    If he really cares about judiciary, muslim noon should walk out of parliament, and go towards elections. Oh yes not the type of elections Nawaz is use too, the fake votes!

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 14:45 #
  9. Zoab Khan

    Throw in the wikileaks that NS was working behind the scenes to allow CJ to be the justice for 1 week and than retire him. If NS was leading this gov't i don't think his behavior would be much different than SYRG and AZ.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 16:27 #
  10. saladin89

    If Nawaz sharif was leader, he would end up getting CJ beaten up!

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 16:32 #
  11. Adonis

    Previously PML-N was accused of supporting CJ because he is a relative of Rana Sanaullah. Now it is being accused of not sincere in its support because of some imaginary incident and wikileaks.

    You guys need to make up your mind and stick to one thing. I know that truth is not a forte of Bonga Khan worshipers but even if you are lying to malign PML-N act as your leader does and at least try to sound that you actually believe in the crap you are saying.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 16:36 #
  12. saladin89


    It is not imaginary, but fact. They did not agree with the CJ of that time and got him beaten up. Because all the CJ wanted to do is play it fair, however these animals wanted the CJ to be a puppet, and take a blind eye in there wrongdoings.

    Now the point u made that rana is a relative of CJ, is the first time I have heard this. Muslim noon is just playing politics, wherever the wind changes they follow.

    They talk about corruption, and they are not far behind PPP. So they need something that can make public aware, that's why they speak of judiciary. U can fool us once, not anymore Nawaz Sharif. We know that he is a corrupt and incompetent leader. Whether people get fooled by this crap, I do not know, time will tell. However he does have u on his side, hope there are not many more.

    The only thing and I mean only! is for him to bring all his money that he looted from poor and give back to awam. Apart from that I am not bothered what he does.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 16:44 #
  13. Adonis

    Keep on imagining "facts" because reality is tough for you guys.

    And no matter how many times you accuse anybody of being corrupt, people do not buy this story anymore because the godfather of your idol (parvez musharraf) would not have needed to manufacture a high-jacking story if there were an actual corruption case against Nawaz Sharif.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 16:48 #
  14. oneUp

    Nobody is above law. If they don't obey court orders, they should be held in contempt of court.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 16:59 #
  15. msyedh

    High-jacking is not manufactured story. It is reality that Nawaz Sharif tried to kill Chief of army staff Musharf at that time.
    However Present PCO chief justice rewarded him, because his support for restoration. Judiciary closed their mind and eyes from past and present corruptions and crimes of Sharif brothers and Noon leaguers.
    Many decisions were suspended and many pending cases were put under desk.
    Sharif brothers have full protection from judiciary for their crimes and corruptions. That is why they challenging PPP to bring cases in court if there is any pending, against Sharif brothers. Because they know judiciary is in their pocket.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 18:04 #
  16. oneUp

    Have Asma Jahilgeer and Zardari split????...surprised by her (positive) change of stance....

    LAHORE/ISLAMABAD: Strongly condemning defiance of the Supreme Court orders, the Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) and the Lahore High Court Bar Association (LHCBA) on Thursday vowed to back the apex court verdicts and demanded the government implement all Supreme Court decisions.

    Updated at: 0926 PST, Friday, July 29, 2011

    The SCBA executive committee, in a meeting chaired by SC Bar Association President Asma Jahangir, passed a unanimous resolution urging the government to give respect and implement all apex court verdicts in letter and spirit. The resolution said the SCBA completely supported the SC verdicts and stood behind the apex court for upholding the constitution of Pakistan. If the government did not implement the court verdicts, the SCBA would take appropriate measures, added the resolution. The executive committee also expressed its concerns at the tension caused by non-implementation of the court verdicts between the important pillars of the state.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 18:08 #
  17. @msyedh,

    Supreme Court of Pakistan has already given decision that hijacking case against Nawaz Sharif was fabricated and Nawaz Sharif has been acquitted.

    Secondly, please let me know what corruption cases are pending with judiciary against Nawaz Sharif.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 18:31 #
  18. saladin89


    about corruption even five year olds believe it, I think u are in some fantasy land. Musharraf put him in prison and could of put him there for good. However Saudia Arabia kings got involved and Nawaz Sharif ran away into the arms of kings.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 20:54 #
  19. I will second rasheed on this. Please let us know what corruption cases are pending with judiciary against Nawaz Sharif?

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 21:58 #
  20. saladin89

    LAHORE, Dec 10: More than 80 complaints of corruption and misuse of authority were pending at different stages of inquiry, investigation and trial against former prime minister Nawaz Sharif when he was granted pardon by the president and exiled.

    Senior politicians, who were a part of the PML government, and bureaucrats who were co-accused in the cases could also benefit if the cases were not taken up as a result of the former PM's absence or the family's "settlement" with the government.

    Fifty-five of these complaints were filed by Jamaat-i-Islami's Ehtesab Cell chief and former LDA director-general Maj-Gen M H Ansari (retired) and around 30 complaints were moved by the PPP.

    Mr Ansari said that investigations had been completed on 10 of his complaints and were ready to be put before a court for trial.

    All his 55 complaints are about the alleged illegal allotment of plots.

    Mr Ansari said that the plots were allotted when Nawaz Sharif was the Punjab chief minister.

    The PPP moved the complaints before the ehtesab commission during 1996-1999 when Mr Sharif was himself the prime minister. None of the complaints was referred to ehtesab courts.

    It was one of the PPP complaints on which the former PM was convicted for the first time on corruption charges. The complaint said Nawaz Sharif did not mention in his declaration of assets in the nomination form for NA-12 in 1997 that he owned a helicopter. It was alleged that he did not pay duties of Rs30 million on this machine.

    PPP's Munir Ahmad Khan, who was the complainant in these cases, said that four of the complaints were pending before accountability courts while the others were at various stages of investigation.

    The four cases, he said, were about the alleged misuse of authority in the construction of the Raiwind farm. The other cases were about default of loan taken in the name of Hudaibia Papers Limited, non-payment of income tax and acquisition of property disproportionate to his known sources of income.

    Mr Khan was not aware of the state of investigations on the PPP complaints.

    The first case under the NAB law introduced by the present government was referred to an accountability court in the city on February 13. The accused included the former PM, his father, Mian Sharif, and brothers - Shahbaz Sharif and Abbas Sharif. It was a bank default case about a loan drawn in the name of Ittefaq Foundries from a National Bank of Pakistan branch.

    The PPP complaints charge the former premier of defaulting on bank loans, evasion of taxes and duties, illegal appointments and promotions, concealing assets within the country and abroad, misusing his office to expand his business empire and illegally acquiring prime land in different parts of the country.

    In one of the complaints it is alleged that Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif misused their official positions for expanding their business empire between 1990 till 1993.

    The complaint said that bank borrowing, according to a "conservative estimate", during this period reached Rs9 billion. The number of their industrial units allegedly increased from nine to 20.

    (Dawn, Dec 11 2000 )

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 22:10 #
  21. saladin89

    The savior of Chief Justice, what a hypocrite.
    In order to consolidate and attain more power, the champion of democracy and independent judiciary, Nawaz Sharif attacked every individual and institution, he felt could get in the way and challenge his authority. In order to get rid of Chief Justice Sajjad Ali Shah, who Nawaz Sharif despised, the latter created divisions amongst the judges using the humble services of a former judge, Rafique Tarrar (later President of Pakistan) to make life difficult for the Chief Justice. A group of judges refused to acknowledge CJ Sajjad Ali Shah as the Chief Justice and things got so bad that a number of junior judges made it difficult for him to carry out his duties. Eventually, Sharif ordered his thugs to attack the Supreme Court in order to prevent the Chief Justice from giving a ruling against him.

    The police did nothing to stop Sharif’s thugs as they attacked and entered the Supreme Court premises. The judges inside the building barely managed to escape. The thugs, led by Sajjad Naseem and Mushtaq Tahir Kheli, Nawaz Sharif’s political secretaries, entered the court chanting anti-CJ Sajjad slogans and destroyed the Court Room

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 22:21 #
  22. A very impressive account indeed! Now I do have a question that should be answered.
    Industrial units owned by Mian Sahab...pre partition and post partition of this subcontinent. Have you anything to say in this regard? What Mian Sahib owned before the creation of Pakistan?
    Secondly, Ittefaq group suffered the most along with others when Bhutto nationalized industries. Was this act intended for the good of Pakistan or meant to paralize us thus retarding our industrial growth?

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 22:28 #
  23. I believe the loss inflicted by Bhutto this way on Mian Sahab/Nawaz Sharif paved a way towards confrontation between Mian Group and the current ppp government of that time, thus, reason enough for creation of a new party...PML-N!

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 22:33 #
  24. saladin89

    @se mirza

    I do not know what mian sahab owned before partion or how.
    Ittefaq group did suffer,(but later on they made up for it) and the move by bhutto to nationalize industries did not help Pakistan much.

    Now concerning the reason why PML N was created, I think it was because Nawaz Sharif had a smell of leadership. He had been along with zia for years, and understood siasat. n 1988 general elections, Pakistan Muslim League that was led by late former prime minister Muhammed Khan Junejo split into two factions, one was led by Nawaz Sharif the then chief minister of Punjab and the other by Mr. Junejo.
    Now why he split with mr janego?
    I think he was just hungry for power and maybe one of the points u made could be one of the reason's.

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 23:27 #
  25. You completely missed it. Nationalization was done and implemented by Bhutto on foreign instructions. He attempted to change the whole educational system. Regarding nationalization of industries, that hurt quite a lot of industrailists of those times. And this is exactly when PPP was considered as a foreign tool to undermine Pakistan's industry and the field of education.
    Dont you get it brother. Me according to my observations
    simcee the creation of Pakistan, PPP has been nothing but a curse on Pakistan.
    Fall of Dacca, Al Zulfiqar hijacking plane to Afghanitan, Lists of Sikh freedom fighters handed over to Rajiv by BB!

    Posted 4 years ago on 29 Jul 2011 23:53 #
  26. @saladin89,

    Do you trust current judiciary? yes or no?

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 0:07 #
  27. @saladin89,

    Also please instead of enlightening us with list of complains, please tell what cases are pending against Nawaz Sharif and in which court? Is it Supreme Court? LHC?


    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 0:12 #
  28. Anwer Kamal

    Reason behind every thing is uncertainty.
    Lake of confidence among people and institutions.
    We have a 64 years history
    63 years of history are full of conspiracies.
    Conspiracies against each other.
    Now we are reaching to its results.
    Worst time of our history,
    Only one way left .
    End of corruption with end of Conspiracies.
    Enemies of Pakistan have surrounded us.
    And we are just blaming each other as usual.
    End of corruption is impossible without end of conspiracies.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 0:45 #
  29. saladin89


    when u have crooks like PPP and Muslim Noon, how do u expect justice?

    This is a country where poor get robbed and then put into prison. The reason's for this the likes of our hukumat who are corrupt to the core.

    In 2007 a deal was struck by these corrupt parties that all previous corruption and wrongdoings forgotten. How can 2 thieves decide upon who should be forgiven?

    Anyhow Nawaz is a corrupt and incompetant leader. period!

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 0:57 #
  30. @saladin89,

    Imran Khan is Zaani Taliban Khan ISI Pasha Supporter. PERIOD!

    Is this the way you PTI guys want to argue?

    My question again is that do you trust the judiciary or not?

    Which cases against Nawaz Sharif are pending in Courts? Please mention the court and the charges.

    As far as I know, Nawaz Sharif was pardoned by Rafiq Tarrar in hijacking case, but Nawaz Sharif still requested to re-open the case and finally got cleared from court after restoration of independent judiciary.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 1:13 #
  31. Now here you have said something that I would never agree. Rasheed, you should be ashamed of yourself for using derogatory terms like Zaani Taliban Khan. I was thinkig of you in high esteem?

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 1:31 #
  32. saladin89


    The first point u made is completely false, that IK is taliban, all he said is that we should not be throwing bombs on our innocent civilians. We should find out what there problem is and why they are fighting us. Just to condone military action that Pakistan army is doing, and also condemn US drone attacks, does not make him Taliban Khan. But if being concerned with drones and the pakistan military action, makes him Taliban Khan, so be it.

    Speaking of Taliban, Punjab hukumat some time ago stated that we and u are the same, please do not bomb us. It is them that has openly spoke in favour of Taliban.

    As for General Pasha meeting him once concerning war and terror, does not make IK his lover. In fact it is nawaz sharif who sat on the lap of a dictator, and learnt his politics. Also shabaz sharif it is on record that during the night he secretly met generals. Also it is on record that ISI got paid by Nawaz hukumat at the time.

    Regarding if there are any cases at the moment
    three cases against the Sharifs are under trial but suspended in Accountability Court Rawalpindi. These cases are (i) Hudabia Paper Mills Ltd case in which the accused included Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, Abbas Sharif, Hussain Nawaz, Hamza Shahbaz Sharif, Mrs Shamim Akhtar, Sabiha Abbas, Maryam Safdar and the late Mian Muhammad Sharif, (ii) Wilful Bank Default of Rs1.06 billion by Ittefaq Foundries involving the accused Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, Abbas Sharif, the late Muhammad Sharif, Kamal Qureshi and Mukhtar Hussain; and (iii) assets case alleging that Nawaz Sharif, the late Mian Muhammad Sharif and Mrs Shamim Akhtar possess assets beyond known sources of income and construction of number of palatial houses and mansions at Raiwind estate.
    The briefs say that there are six investigations against the Sharifs pending before the NAB following the NAB chairman’s order. These pending investigations include (i) case of illegal appointments in the FIA against Nawaz Sharif, (ii) misuse of authority by Nawaz Sharif as a Punjab chief minister in the construction of road from Raiwind to the Sharif family house causing loss of Rs125 million, (iii) Sharif Trust case against Nawaz Sharif/Sharif Trust involving allegation of money laundering, misappropriation of trust funds and acquisition of benami assets in the name of Sharif Trust, (iv) London properties case against Nawaz Sharif and others regarding owning of Aven Field properties in London, (v) Illegal appointments in PIA allegedly by Nawaz Sharif, and (vi) corruption in the allotment of Lahore Development Authority (LDA) plots involving Nawaz Sharif, ex-DG LDA Brig (R) Manzoor Malik, ex-Director Estate, and Shahid Rafi.
    Two pending inquiries against the Sharifs in the NAB include a complaint of allotment of LDA plots and another complaint about alleged misappropriation of government property by allotting 12 plots to Mian Attaullah instead of one in Gulshan Ravi Scheme thereby causing loss of Rs20 million to the state. According to NAB sources, there are also pending investigations against the Chaudhrys of Gujrat besides some cases of alleged corruption against Fazlur Rehman.

    ISLAMABAD: If the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) is friendly to President Asif Ali Zardari and his coterie, it is extraordinarily soft on the Sharifs and other opposition leaders, too.
    Well-informed NAB sources confided to The News that the NAB, which is not pursuing corruption cases against the Sharifs in accountability courts, has also pended eight investigations and two inquiries regarding alleged corruption and misuse of authority mainly involving PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif and in one case against his younger brother Shahbaz Sharif.

    Concerning Nawaz Sharif wanted to re-open the hijack case, is complete news to me.

    The three main parties in Pakistan are all crooks. The judiciary or chief justice is just too weak to deal with these monster's. Over half of prisoner's in Pakistan jails are poor, there only crime is that they are poor.

    I stick to what I said before, Nawaz Sharif is a corrupt and incompetant leader. He stole from poor and built his mansions and has billions of dollors which needs to be accounted for. PERIOD!

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 3:33 #
  33. @S.E.Mirza,

    You didn't get the sarcasm. I don't want to label Imran Khan as all those things, but when someone keeps saying corrupt corrupt corrupt without any conviction from court of law, then those kids need to be dealt in same matter.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:00 #
  34. @rasheed
    I hold high regard for you my dear. I also do agree pkpdiscuss is infested with trawls and spammers busy with hollow rants without any backup as support to their claims.
    Such kids would be advised first and then gifted with a final lesson.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:03 #
  35. @saladin89,

    Do you ever read news? or you read news from only?

    How many times PMLN has asked government to establish the independant accountability institution as agreed in CoD?

    How many times Supreme Court has asked PPP to appoint NAB head?

    Nawaz Sharif was in jail for 14 months, which was enough time to bring all the cases against him in court. Imran Khan was best buddy of Musharraf at that time and Imran Khan should have helped Musharraf in bringing all cases against NS.

    Secondly, if Nawaz Sharif got pardoned from hijacking case, nothing was stopping his worst enemy Musharraf to keep filing cases against him for future.

    The bottom line is that there is no conviction, the judiciary has no pending cases against NS and NAB is not judiciary.

    And finally, I am still waiting to hear if you trust the current judiciary or not?

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:09 #
  36. @SE Mirza,


    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:10 #
  37. saladin89


    what court are u speaking off, the one where nawaz sharif goons went in and beat up CJ!

    oR when shabaz sharif made up false allegations against Zardari and put him into prison. U do remember the tape that exposed the judge of that time, who had links with shabaz sharif.

    Your argument about Nawaz not being acquitted for any wrongdoings, is weak. Target killings are taking place in Karachi, no-one has been acquitted in court for that, does that mean that MQM has nothing to do with them. Also Zardari is the leader of Pakistan, there has been nothing proven against him, so does that mean he is an angel.

    The majority of people in Pakistan, anchors and people of Punjab accept that N$ is a corrupt leader, nothing u can say will make any difference, so keep on denying.
    But I say again LOOTERE.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:13 #
  38. saladin89

    @se mirza

    why was the site down for so long?

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:17 #
  39. @saladin89,

    First answer my question .. do you trust the Judiciary or NOT?

    - When did Nawaz Sharif beat CJ?

    As per 2 different inquires in Nawaz Sharif time and Musharraf time, the Supreme Court declared that Nawaz Sharif was not guilty. Also let me remind you that Imran Khas fully supported Musharraf when Musharraf threw out 17 judges of Supreme Court and High Court in 2000.

    BTW, do you really know what really happened to Sajjad Ali Shah? He was thrown out of Supreme court by FULL BENCH OF SUPREME COURT for conspiring with Farooq Laghari to overthrow an elected government.

    - What allegation did Shahbaz put against Zardari? I am very interested in knowing that.

    - Regarding Nawaz Sharif, I am saying that there is not even any case against him in court. Whereas Asif Zardari has NRO related case in Supreme Court. MQM has hundreds of murder cases pending in courts.

    I suggest that you talk with cool mind and based on facts and stop doing propaganda here.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:22 #
  40. @saladin89,

    SE Mirza is not taking sides of PMLN vs PTI. He is appreciating my discussion which is based on facts. Unlike every argument of yours that must have corruption at the end.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:24 #
  41. @saladin89
    Sorry dear, we were down for a backup and an upgrade as usual. Sorry once more as this process was long. Perhaps due to our extensive and growing membership.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:30 #
  42. saladin89

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:43 #
  43. aftab

    Corruption is not only done for financial gain it's also done in power grabbing matters when his goons attacked the SC and when he chose Mush over Ali Kuli Khan.

    Imran Khan apologised for supporting Musharraf, Has NS done the same for supporting General Zia?

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 10:52 #
  44. saladin89

    Nawaz Sharif’s politics is based on the philosophy “lie repeatedly till it seems as the truth”.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 11:00 #
  45. saladin89
    pls tell me brother who is not a habitual lier from the current political Pakistani arena?

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 11:09 #
  46. saladin89


    all the cases against nawaz sharif will be re-opened by PPP, i guess before the general elections. U need not worry, he has wriggled out of them for long enough. But if these noora kushti parties don't then if IK wins U should see all there cases re-opened.

    As for judiciary NO, they are too influenced by Politics. They need to be free. U saw what happened to RD case, where everyone was involved in releasing him. (especially punjab hukumat).

    Anyways this argument has gone long enough. I say he is Corrupt and a incompetent, lying leader. U say the latter, time will tell. Period!

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 11:15 #
  47. saladin89

    @SE Mirza

    Imran Khan

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 11:16 #
  48. @aftab,

    Did Imran Khan apologize to all those judges who were removed by Musharraf?

    Did IK apologize to all those politicians who were tortured by Musharraf?

    Imran Khan's support of Musharraf was totally different, as IK had already participated in 1997 elections under constitution of Pakistan. Once you take any part in activity under constitutional framework, you can't just kick it and start supporting PCO.

    Unlike IK who welcomed Musharraf and wanted to become PM, Nawaz Sharif never welcomed Zia, and stepped into politics 4 years after martial law. If someone wants to get involved in politics and there are decades long martial laws in Pakistan, he can't want for 10 years if he wants to serve the country. NS was totally capable and eligible of working as finance minister, as he had good experience of running his family business empire.

    And let me also remind you that Nawaz Sharif was never in parliament under Zia and was never part of any constitutional amendments.

    However, credit goes to NS who removed the dictatorial powers in the constitution in 1997 that were introduced by General Zia.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 11:28 #
  49. @saladin89,

    Imran Khan is Zaani Taliban Khan ISI Pasha Supporter. PERIOD!

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 11:29 #
  50. All political actors who are part of the current government have been and are habitual liars. Now why should Imaran be one from them when he has, and had achieved much what the fake politicians in office backed by 35% of fake votes, cannot, or never even by being in power right now.

    You may label me to your hearts content as often I have been labeled before, and the same continues, but Imran Khan is somebody who is going to bring about a change turning the current stagnant politics inside out!

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 11:31 #
  51. aftab

    @ Rasheed

    No he hasn't specifically, when we say he apologised for supporting Musharraf i basically mean that he apologised for supporting all his illegal acts.

    Don't you think NS should also apologise regardless of when he actually started supporting him, and that support was not just when Zia was alive, even long after he considered him a Shaheed and deserving of place in Janaat.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 12:01 #
  52. @aftab,

    I still don't understand whom Imran Khan apologized to? Just saying that he apologizes does not make any difference.

    In this video in around 2006/2007, Imram Khan is saying that Nawaz Sharif is not corrupt and PMLN is party of clean individuals.

    So Imran Khan needs to also apologize everyone for saying Nawaz Sharif was not corrupt and now calling him corrupt again? Please note that no new corruption case against NS has been filed against NS after this statement.

    Regarding Zia, he was highly regarded in Muslim world due his his support of Muslims in Afghanistan and there were prayers done even outside Pakistan for deserving a place in Jannat.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 12:19 #
  53. aftab

    @ Rasheed

    But brother don't you think Zia was a Military Dictator just like Mush was also a Military Dictator regardless of what the outside world thought of them and both usurped the constitution, so why pick and choose?

    P.S. cannot see any videos as at work.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 12:29 #
  54. @aftab
    Apart from military dictators you mentioned so well, what about civilaian dictatorship that followed? Say something atleast! We are all ears about a civilian dictator!

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 12:51 #
  55. aftab

    @ Mirza G

    Yes there are Civilians Dictators also and the thing that sets them apart from they fellow military dictators is that they are partially elected(read bogus votes), but when they reign over they subjects and have no care for any fundamental rights or improving there living standard.

    Military/Civilian they only have care for "kursi" and money making. Civilians are more conniving/imaginitaive in keeping they reign going, whilst military dictators take the easy route of using brute force when all else fails to suppress the people.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 13:07 #
  56. Scandinavian

    Imran said that all Musharraf ney aap key party (PML-N) ke do number log PML-Q dal diye haiN. That's a fact - Nothing wrong in that since the lowest character went to PML-Q. He also said that even if N$ wanted maybe he couldn't do what Musharraf did for him.

    Change of mind of PML-->That was the general perception among Pakistanis. What Imran did not know or did not want to get embroiled in at that time was that remaining PML heads still had cases hanging over their heads. Many people thought that finally the PML had understood that Pakistan deserved good governance. Many believed that PML finally had learned the lesson the hard way and - if provided the opportunity - will provide true democracy and good governance.

    BUT what happened after that?

    - N$ betrayed the lawyers movement in alliance with the SNAKE Aitezaz Ahsen. He spoiled the full fruits of letting the long march reach the final destination and under pre-planned drama N$ returned from Gujranwala. What did $$ say about the free judiciary/CJP? Was it ever a case for him?

    - N$ gave guarantees through the likes of Javed Hashmi that nooners will not particpate in elections, but he broke his promise and participated.

    - N$ and mafioso acted as a friendly opposition to PPP for 3,5 years and continue their noora kushti with them.

    - N$ and $$ has not performed in Punjab.

    - Numerous allegations about bad performance and ugly incidents about jail break, credit card fraud, land grabbing etc. continues.

    - RD case.

    Why should IK think that they have changed?
    Both N$ and $$ and the rest of the henchmen have PROVED that they are still crooks. PERIOD.

    We cannot respect people who even think of plundering Pakistan. After all you have not even plans of plundering Pakistan but continue the disastrous line.

    Imran is the only SIGNIFICANT leader who has earned respect and hence DESERVES to lead Pakistan out of trouble! PERIOD!

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 13:33 #
  57. Now as you are so kind pls name the only civilian marsal law administrator?

    and that his son hijacked a plane to Afghnistan asking for al zulfiqar terrorists to be released!

    and that his daughter handed over lists of sikhs who were feedom figters fighting to get rid of the Caste infested brahmin dominated system, and wanted to have a separate state to be known as Khalistan.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 13:38 #
  58. @aftab,

    There is no need to pick and choose. Nawaz Sharif started his fresh career under rule of Zia, and the same fact is applicable on large number of politicians today in parliament including PM Gilani.

    The same applies on Alama Iqbal, who said Saray Jehan Say Accha Hindustan Hamara ... but later supported Pakistan

    Quaid-e-Azam joined congress, then joined ML ..

    Bhutto supported General Ayub, then gave 1973 constitution ..

    Their actions proved that they started their career in darkness and moved towards the right path .. which is acceptable by general public.

    All of above examples are totally different than Imran Khan. He fought elections under constitution of Pakistan in 1997. He named his party at Tehreek-e-Insaaf.

    Yet he changed his religion in 2000 and supported martial law and also supported the dictator when he removed the judiciary, which was negation of his basic party principle.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 13:41 #
  59. aftab

    @ Mirza G

    Brother i think you got wrong end of stick, i don't see either ZA Bhutto, Murtazo and BB as any less of criminals then Zia was, there are not my heros sought to speak and i despise them as much as Zia if not more.

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 13:46 #
  60. Scandinavian


    You have to understand that we have to have two sets of rules. One for N$, $$ and the rest of the gang and another set for all other Pakistanis. I hope you will understand ;)

    Posted 4 years ago on 30 Jul 2011 13:46 #

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