PTI's Syed Arif Mustafa Threatened by MQM

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stingingnettle
Member

I think my point is lost on the MQM supporters.

This is not about a threat being issued against PTI official but it is the fact that a threat is issued at all. Had the threat been issued against MQM in Punjab or against PPP in KPK, my reaction would have been the same, NO to thuggery and threats in politics. That is the point. We all need to be disgusted as Pakistanis.

People like RQ think that campaigning is the sole right of MQM in Karachi, I really don't understand why MQM should be allowed on other parties' turf by the same token. RQ your comments, in my opinion bring your party into disrepute and do no favours to dispel the allegations of intolerance and thuggery. RQ I don't know when you were born, but you need to say things rationally and with reason.

GP perhaps you can begin by condemning the threat in principle if it has been issued. The response to allegation of misappropriation is not death threat, I hope you can understand this fine point, minus the sarcasm.

If you want me to boil it down for you again;

Should any legitimate party be allowed to campaign in anywhere in Pakistan and knock on any door without the fear and intimidation?

Should we condemn death threats issued by cowards against party political workers who say something you don't like?

I leave you to see the new Year in with these two neutral questions.

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 16:40 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

stingingnettle

Answers to your questions.

First , it needs to be proved that a threat has been issued. A fake video of an unknown person deoesn't stand anywhere .
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hould any legitimate party be allowed to campaign in anywhere in Pakistan and knock on any door without the fear and intimidation?
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Yes, every party should be allowed and is allowed. Just last week PTI did a mass rally on Mazar Quaid.

Which party is denied and where? please brief.

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Should we condemn death threats issued by cowards against party political workers who say something you don't like?
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Yes, it should be condemened. At the same time fake allegations like this one should be condemned as well.

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 17:48 #
Dusky
Member

"Should any legitimate party be allowed to campaign in anywhere in Pakistan and knock on any door without the fear and intimidation?"

Let me string the pot here a bit.....

please define "legitimate"?...;)

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 18:57 #
khanseena1
Member

@Stinging

Answers to both your questions are an emphatic yes, only fools would regard any part of Pakistan off limit to others.

The real question I have for you is why are you so eager to accept a youtube video as the gospel of truth. It has not even made it to the national media. even the memo issue has more credibility than this video.

Please do not label me as a supporter of any party, I am strictly neutral as evidenced by my posts over the years. I have condemned MQM in the past including its "pir" Altaf Hussains refusal to stand to trial in the multiple heinous cases against him.

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 19:22 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

@Sting
You are questioning my logic and reasoning, look at yourself. On the basis of this concocted video, you trying to create a molehill. Doesn't that slide your credibility to zero? First prove this video as legitimate than we will talk? And oh yeah where are your party's hunchmen, I don't find any coming to your rescue:)

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 19:34 #
siddiqi73
Member

For real though folks, this video ought to be owned up by Tehreek-e-Internet first only then this discussion can move forward.

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 19:41 #
d0ct0r
Member

Almost all MQMized unit/sector offices are built on illegally encroached Public parks,play grounds,amenity plots or private land(forcefully encroached through intimidation). Basic motivation behind these violent lads(already involved in petty crimes) joining MQMized unit is quite simple to understand,they can easily resort to thuggery,bullying and intimidation with complete impunity while being associated with MQMized terror office. They know all too well that when their ringleaders operating from MQM's terror HQ Nine Zero themselves are directly involved in such activities then obviously nobody including police can touch them.

Absconding grand terrorist Altaf bai of London consider karachi to be a sovereign state(Personal fiefdom/Zati Jageer) and he himself considers to be a long distance telephonic ruler of this state. Previously his gangsters and unit terrorists were collecting Bhatha(extorting money),but that was bringing too much negative publicity and in the eyes of common men MQM was nothing more then a gang of bhathakhors(Extortionists) and street criminals. But since last few years Altaf bai have changed tactics. With criminal governor,city government and babar ghauri at the helm of affairs, who needs to painstakingly go and collect bhatha from each n every shopkeeper and household when MQM can acheive the same results and even much more and fill their pockets by simply demanding lucrative ministries which have potential to make big money(port & shipping,Housing etc) ..
During dictator’s time Altaf bai have tasted the fruit of institutional bhathakhori thats why this time too he wanted baber ghauri reinstated back as port minister.like i have previously said,grand terrorist Altaf is basically a hypocrite and opportunist down to core.No matter who is in government,as long as these Rent-a-thugs from MQM are offered the right price(Bhatha-extortion/blackmail money) to stay quiet and not ruin and destroy Karachi then all is good for them,they got no principles no ethics no values.Just pay them good..And if you don’t pay them,then they switch to destruction mode and start wrecking up Karachi.

While senior MQMized goons are busy making big money these MQMized unit lads are basically neglected. They are expected to be 'self sufficient' and fund and finance illegal unit offices expenses through their own means.(Obviously they don't pay a dime from their own pockets and the businesses in area where they are located have to bear their expenses on monthly basis.The area which was mentioned by @expakistani in his earlier comment has largest number of marriage lawns and restaurants in Karachi. Even meals for these unit offices are supplied by these marriage lawns & restaurants.

Most reprehensible 'achievement' of these MQMized unit terrorist (beside 12 may of course) is 9 April siege and arson attack on a building near Karachi city courts(Tahir Plaza) in which karachiites were locked up and burnt alive by almost 40 to 50 MQMized unit terrorists who came their on bikes,carried out the task assigned to them by their criminal leadership and fled..

Expakistani mentioned Babar Ghauri,he is famous for using these unit terrorists to encroach expensive properties and then expect the owners to 'settle' the issue with him and force them to dispose of their properties for peanuts. Almost 50 to 60 % of commercial plots located on Shara e SherShah suri(Main hyderi market road) and Shara e Noor Jehan are owned by this duo.

MQMized unit and sector terrorists had been instrumental in illegally encroaching hundreds of acres of Public parks,play grounds,amenity plots and Railway Land(15 story illegally encroached Saima Bridge view apartment towers which @expakistani was earlier referring to) worth worth billions of rupees all over karachi and building illegal apartment complex and villas on them and some of which were eventually doled out to MQMized unit terrorists while others were disposed off in open market.

Four Towers of 15 story apartment block.

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 22:19 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

Doc
good to see you were relieved from the pasban duties of preventing people to celebrate new years eve on beach:)

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 22:25 #
d0ct0r
Member

Govt itself too was busy 'preventing people to celebrate new years eve on beach'.

Pillion riding banned in Karachi
http://www.thenewstribe.com/2011/12/31/pillion-riding-banned-in-karachi/

New Year eve: Eight-hour ban on pillion riding
http://www.arynews.tv/english/newsdetail.asp?nid=52472&com=1

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 22:33 #
justhuman
Member

@Rizwan QaimKhani ....

The Youtube clip by Arif Mustafa may be or may not be truth. but You seem to be a 'Nadan Doost' of MQM. I don't think so This statement is helping you much to support your cause to defend MQM . I don't think so , it is MQM 's policy any-ways. They are urban middle-class folks , who are marching in right direction , trying to attract middle-class and youth of other urban centres in Pakistan. Why do you think that No other party should be allowed in campaigning MQM Strongholds. I was not expecting it from you ...

Rizwan Qaimkhani wrote : "So whatever Mr. Arif is trying won't work. Better move to PTI hometown. Don't make it camel in the tent story, if PTI is given some leverage on Dec25 that does not mean you can start campaigning"

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 22:46 #
stingingnettle
Member

Thank you to all the gentlemen who took the time to read and make comments about what I wrote;

Siddiqui73

You make a valid point; there has to be some confirmation from PTI about the person making the allegation ie whether he is who he claims to be.

Dusky

By legitimate, I mean lawful. Those parties who are banned by the Pakistani Government (whether one agrees with the ban or not) would not be called legitimate parties. So all the mainstream parties string to mind including any non-banned nationalist parties.

Sharif Aadmi

"First , it needs to be proved that a threat has been issued."

Investigating a complaint does not mean you accept is as genuine. You can prove it to be false quite easily if that is the case. By default, complaints of threats cannot assumed to be false. I do not have any proof about the authenticity of the complaint just like you do not have conclusive proof that is false. So it needs to be looked into properly both by PTI and MQM.

From what you write, should I assume that there are NO no-go areas in Karachi controlled by MQM or PPP or ANP? Surely that is not true? Should I be surprised that PTI 'was allowed' to do a jalsa in Karachi? Do you want a pat on your back for it? On a more local level, do you think people from various parties can carry out political work freely? Perhaps not?

And yes, I agree with you the people who level fake allegations against others are well an truly the scum of the earth.

RQ;

You write:

"..if PTI is given some leverage on Dec25 that does not mean you can start campaigning."

You consider this a reasonable, logical and civilised thing to say?

Let me break it down for you; what you have written is a threat. PTI does and will not need your permission (I take it MQM's) to conduct legitimate political business in Karachi the same way as MQM does not need anyone's permission to do so in Lahore or Peshawer. Why exactly can PTI or another party no campaign in Karachi? It's illogical to think that let alone write it. I still maintain that what your write (I hope not on behalf of MQM) discredits MQM.

Khanseena1

I am not in the business of labelling anyone anything so please sit easy. I am reassured by your resounding yes to both the question I ask. We as Pakistanis need a new kind of political tolerance where we let people hear all the points of view. I am not about to condemn any party but just the mentality of threats and intimidation and I hope my fellow bloggers will see reason and lend me their voices. It is, after all, our Pakistan.

Last but not the least, I wish you all a very happy, peaceful and prosperous 2012. I go into 2012 with no bitterness in my heart against anyone (well almost anyone!). Have a good one, where ever you are.

Posted 4 months ago on 31 Dec 2011 23:02 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

stingingnettle

Any complaint is false until proved to be true. Its the duty of the party making allegtion to prove it to be true.

Basic rule of justice is.
'NOT GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE'

If we take your logic then any tom **** harry can lodge a complaint against u that u threatened him . Then u need to prove that u didn't whether u know him at all or not.

The person who has made such a big complaints , even didn't dare to show his face on the internet. What does that mean ?

Posted 4 months ago on 01 Jan 2012 0:45 #
Ghost Protocol
Member

I think, all dimensions of the topic has already been discussed and don't need my comments any more.

Posted 4 months ago on 01 Jan 2012 10:23 #
stingingnettle
Member

Sharif Aadmi

"Any complaint is false until proved to be true. "

Your statement represents the exact mentality that needs to change in Pakistan. This mentality is rampant in every single office and institution in Pakistan and the net result is no body takes any complaint seriously.

This is also the exact mentality and logic used by the Israelis for maiming and murdering Palestinians and other opponents all over the world. They say, you can't prove it so the state of Israel is free of culpability and responsibility. Do some reading about this on your own.

By your logic, the Pakistanis would have to prove conclusive proof of culpability to the Americans about the murder of 24 Pakistani soldiers at the Salalah check post but strangely the Pakistan did not even attempt to help the investigation and NATO came to the right conclusion by looking into the matter themselves. The list of examples of this is endless but it seems to only happen in societies that respect the right of people to complaint.

You want to continue living in a society where complaints are dismissed as lies, where the only option you offer is a non-functional judiciary and where there is no concept of decency and fairness in the minds of ordinary citizens; Well, enjoy you life in that hell. Most Pakistanis want different.

The person in the video didn't show his face perhaps he doesn't want to sleep with the fish. Judging from your belligerence and mindless defence of an indefensible act by thugs, I stand with the man with no face.

Last but not the least, a free lesson for you;

Some principles are applicable only in a court of law ie innocent until proven guilty. In civilised societies almost all companies and organisations have a proper, credible complaints procedure by law. This is beyond you I know.

You need spend a day or two outside your entrenched world of excuses.

Posted 4 months ago on 01 Jan 2012 13:35 #
quaidkamazaar
Member

everyone has the right to campaign...

it was not too long ago that pre-MK, there was a non-MQM mayor... that was proof of the fact that there is no gunpoint tactics used to the extent that many people think in this city.

it is sheer good work and winning of peoples hearts that has won MQM support more than every before.

Posted 4 months ago on 02 Jan 2012 7:02 #