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Syria under grip of Alawites

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  1. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Alawites have been designated as Kafirs just like Qadianis. But the French colonialists who ruled Syria made sure Alawites will always be in power. They are extreme form of Shias that believe Ali RA as Divine. Even Iranian clergy does not call them Muslims.

    Assad Holds Syria Army Despite Sunni-Alawite Divide

    By REUTERS
    Published: April 6, 2011

    AMMAN (Reuters) - Senior Syrian army ranks are packed with loyal members of President Bashar al-Assad's Alawite minority, reducing any prospect of military pressure on him to stand aside if protests grow, military experts say.

    Unlike the armies in Tunisia and Egypt, whose refusal to confront non-violent demonstrations spelt the demise of their autocratic rulers, the fate of many senior Syrian military officers is closely tied to that of Assad.

    Although some officers from the Sunni Muslim majority have been promoted to senior ranks, Sunni influence has been weakened and Assad's brother Maher controls key military units packed with Alawite soldiers.

    The regime has been careful about placing Alawite loyalists in all key positions within the military so that the regime can defeat any effort to overthrow it. Some Sunni officers have risen to very high ranks but have very little power to command troops," Terrill said from Carlisle Barracks, Pennsylvania.

    The Assad family which has ruled Syria for 41 years comes from the Alawite mountains overlooking the Mediterranean, a stronghold of the secretive sect with links to Shi'ite Islam.

    Assad, who faces the greatest threat to his rule from more than two weeks of protests calling for an end to emergency law and one-party rule, has responded with a blend of force -- his security forces have killed dozens of protesters -- and vague promises of reform.

    SECURITY BACKBONE

    Residents of Deraa, cradle of the Syrian protests, say Alawite forces commanded by Assad's younger brother Maher have taken up positions around the southern city.

    Maher controls the Presidential Guard, the Republican Guard, and the Fourth Armoured Division -- key units that form the security backbone of the state together with the Alawite-dominated secret police.

    "Some observers consider Maher al-Assad to be excessively violent and emotionally volatile. It appears that President Assad views his brother as totally trustworthy," said Terrill, a specialist in Syrian military affairs.

    Although family ties ensure the loyalty of the top brass, Assad cannot antagonize the army rank-and-file with a repeat of the 1982 crackdown on the city of Hama, when his father Hafez al-Assad sent commandos, paratroopers and Baath Party irregulars to put down an armed uprising by the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Hafez al-Assad's brother Rifaat personally managed the Hama operation, in which tens of thousands were killed and parts of the city flattened.

    "Syria 2011 is not Syria 1982. You have hundreds of thousands of soldiers -- conscripts and professional soldiers -- who have seen only corruption and abuse of position by their Alawite commanders," said a former Syrian army member. "It will be very dangerous for Bashar to play this game.

    "The army will not ask Bashar to step down, as was the case in Egypt and Tunisia, but he cannot easily ask the army to commit massacres either," the ex-soldier said.

    Assad would also be hesitant to use Maher's Republican Guard to quell protest because it would increase resentment against Alawites, he said..

    Another military expert working for a Western government said the Syrian army would fracture if the Alawite ruling hierarchy attempted a repeat of the Hama massacre, but the president could get away with smaller scale killings.

    "It would also depend on how the killings are presented. There is a difference between shooting peaceful protesters and killing demonstrators who attack security forces," he said.

    Although Deraa residents say Maher al-Assad's units are positioned around the city, Alawite secret police and special police units have deployed to confront demonstrators. More than 40 protesters have been killed in the clashes, witnesses said.

    Terrill said Alawite units would have no qualms suppressing dissent because they have been indoctrinated to believe their community would lose out if majority Sunnis attain power.

    "It can be safely assumed that virtually all of the Alawites within the military will fight to defend the regime."

    Asked if Sunni soldiers could revolt if they saw more of their co-religionists killed, Terrill said: "Syria's security organs will move quickly and ruthlessly to suppress even the germs of revolt within the military."

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Apr 2011 16:36 #
  2. bsobaid
    Member

    bass sunni shiaa hee kartay reh jaana tum log.

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Apr 2011 16:49 #
  3. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    bsobaid,

    We have to understand the sinister plan that was long hatched by retreating colonial powers. Alawites could not survive as Alawites as they were the most hated group in Syria . They took the mask of Baath party to hide themselves under Arab nationalism.

    It is not Shia Sunni divide. We have to call spade a spade otherwise we will be losers. The master plan of colonial power was for long term control through such divisions and manipulations.

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Apr 2011 16:56 #
  4. toamin
    member

    Yes, British always worked with minorities, trusted them with key posts and groomed them for transfer of power.

    Same is with Syria, how a very small minority group has been ruling ever since, but gods of democracy are not worried as long as their religion aka secularism is imposed on people-

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Apr 2011 7:29 #
  5. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Dr. Maroof Doalbi's govt. was toppled through a conspiracy to place the family of Hafiz Ul Asad at the helm of the affairs in Syria.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Apr 2011 8:35 #
  6. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Another disgusting tale of Arab nationalism. The Kurds were sandwitched between Turkey, Iran and Arab countries and are still not " Citizens" in the land of their ancestors.

    Baath party of both Syria and previous Iraq has no place for Kurds. In fact, Salahuddin Ayoubi, the Muslim hero and liberator of Al Quds was taken out of text books by these Baathist thugs because "He was not an Arab". Pathetic!

    By ZEINA KARAM, Associated Press Zeina Karam, Associated Press

    BEIRUT – The Syrian president on Thursday granted citizenship to thousands of Kurds living in a northeastern province, fulfilling a key demand by the country's long ostracized minority and making yet another overture amid extraordinary anti-government protests that have shaken Bashar Assad's authoritarian regime.

    State-run television said Assad issued a decree granting citizenship to more than 250,000 Kurds registered as aliens in the Hasaka province records. In a separate decree, Assad sacked the governor of central Homs province that has been the scene of clashes between anti-government protesters and security forces in the past three weeks.

    The overtures are part of a series of concessions by the regime, designed to subdue the protests that erupted in a southern city on March 18 and spread to other parts of Syria. The decrees come on the eve of more protests planned by Syrian activists, who on social networking sites have called for nationwide demonstrations Friday

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Apr 2011 16:13 #
  7. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Abdul Rahman

    Sultan Salahuddin Ayubi was Kurd, so some historians suspect that the white-raced people avenged Sultan by dividing Kurds under the tyrannical govts. of Iran, Turkey and Iraq. Kurds are the people under endless tyranny.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Apr 2011 6:58 #
  8. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Massacre of civilians continue in Alawite controlled Syria.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13016843

    At least four people have been shot dead during anti-government protests in the southern Syrian city of Deraa, witnesses have told the BBC.

    The witnesses said other protesters had been wounded but the numbers were not clear.

    Thousands of people are reported to have staged pro-democracy rallies in the city following Friday prayers.

    Protests across Syria have posed an unprecedented challenge to President Bashar al-Assad's 11-year rule.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Apr 2011 14:53 #
  9. Fresh protests erupt in Syria

    At least seven deaths reported in southern town of Daraa as demonstrations are held in several cities.

    Protests have erupted in cities across Syria, despite a series of concessions by Bashar al-Assad, the president, including sacking the cabinet and firing two governors.

    Witnesses said security forces were using live ammunition against protesters in Daraa. A source told Al Jazeera that at least seven people were killed in the southern border town; however, the report could not be immediately verified.

    more on

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/201148104927711611.html

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Apr 2011 14:56 #
  10. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    HF,

    Kurds were called "Mountain Turks" by Mustafa Kamal, the so called Ata Turk of Turkey to deny them any separate identity. Ata Turk was neither a Turk or a father of Turk. He was the first leader after Otttoman Khilafa that started the fake idol of nationalism after the European model. Even if he called himself "At Turk" he forgot his own ancestors in central Asia who are "real Turks". His brand of nationalism led to reaction by rabs who started Arab nationalism and then chain reaction in other Muslim world and the result was host of banana republics, Kingdoms and Sheihkdoms. The poor Kurds were left out of this race for nationalism. That is why they are now aspiring for Kurdistan in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Apr 2011 15:04 #
  11. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Iran is helping "Baathist" thugs in Syria. Any surprize? They did not like Baathist Iraq and now cozy up to Baathist led Syria. Is it because Syria is led by Alawites?

    Iran aiding Syria crackdown on protests: report

    WASHINGTON (AFP) – Iran is aiding Syria in its suppression of pro-democracy demonstrators by providing equipment to put down protests and monitor opposition groups, the Wall Street Journal said Thursday, citing US officials.

    Tehran has already begun providing crowd control equipment to Syrian authorities, and more deliveries are expected, said unnamed officials in President Barack Obama's administration, reported the Journal.

    Based on intercepted communications among Iranian officials, officials said the assessment also showed Tehran is seeking to aid Shiite groups in Bahrain and Yemen and destabilize US allies in those countries, the Journal said.

    "We believe that Iran is materially assisting the Syrian government in its efforts to suppress their own people," officials said, adding that Tehran is sharing "lessons learned" from the 2009 post-election crackdown on demonstrations that sought the ouster of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Iranian authorities are also providing Damascus technical assistance to monitor online communication from opposition groups to organize protests, US defense officials told the Journal.

    Posted 1 year ago on 14 Apr 2011 17:33 #
  12. Abdul Rahman - Chechen is allowed now. Choose which one of the two.

    Posted 1 year ago on 14 Apr 2011 17:44 #
  13. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    No Problem Brother. Abdullah and Abdul Rahman are the best names anyone can have. I prefer Abdul Rahman

    Posted 1 year ago on 14 Apr 2011 18:43 #
  14. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Abdul Rahman

    You are right that Mustafa Kamal does not deserve any title as 'Ata Turk'. He was the one who tried to push the Turks into the mental slavery of the West.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 6:46 #
  15. secularists
    Member

    Turk usko Ata Turk bolein, aur masla Pakistanion ko hota hai.

    Thanks to Ataturk, turks are one of the most developed economies of the muslim world without any oil. They are proud people who unlike Pakistanis are welcomed all over the world and not singled out in security checks.

    The EU does not admit Turkey for the fear of domination but its still a relationship of mutual respect unlike the slavery of western world by the Gulf states and their slavery by people in Pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 14:15 #
  16. secularists
    Member

    If the thieves and looters can style themselves as Khadim e Harmain Shareefain than surely, Turks can call themselves whatever they want.

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Apr 2011 14:16 #
  17. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    The Turks fell down from the status of a superpower. True, their status is comparatively better in the world. Still, they are not up to the standards of Europeans to be inducted in the Europeans Union. Hizb Ur Rafah is the Turkish political party that aims at the revival of the past glory of the Turks.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Apr 2011 9:26 #
  18. secularists
    Member

    Please read on Turkish War of Independence, the Ottoman empire chose the wrong side and alliances in World War 1, it was a disastrous foreign and military policy.

    Unblike European Colonies the Ottoman areas had little bonding or dependency with their rulers and it was under this situation that ataturk fought back.

    The Khalifa lived in Contantinopole which remained occupied by British forces, similar to Bahadur Shah Zafar's time before our first war of independence.

    Ataturk denounced it all, resigned from the army, declared a defacto government and capital at Ankara, and fought back finally forcing British to enter negotiations and then leave.

    More than anything this was a huge symbolic victory that British had to leave Constatinople the capital of the Holy Eastern Roman Empire effectively forever.

    Europe and Turkey have a lot of cultural differences mailny due to the impact of religion on cultural and if Turks become modern Europe would not have a problem.

    The European union is struggling anyway so I think sooner than later Turks are going to withdraw their application.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Apr 2011 15:17 #
  19. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    The Young Turks who ruled the Ottoman Empire in 1914 made the monumentally wrong-headed (and completely gratuitous) error of joining the Entente in World War I, a decision that left their empire defeated and dismembered four years later. Perhaps the most painful specific consequence was the occupation of the imperial capital at Istanbul in November 1918 by British and other forces, where they remained until October 1923.

    Ata Turk was neither a young Turk or a Ata Turk. He was a domla Jew supposedly converted to Islam. The West made him a hero to impose the pagan concept of secularism. The Greek war of independance was made to make a hero out of Ata Turk.

    I remember reading a Book in my fathers library when I was kid. The title was "Hundred Great Lives" and the only so called Muslim in that Book was Ata Turk. Now we all can undestand why that domla agent was in that Book. It was a master plan and sinister agenda to implant fake nationalism and secularism on Muslim nations. The Turkish nationalism was a joke but the Arabs reacted and embraced nationalism and then it spread like wild fire in Muslim world. Even to this day that clown Ata Turk is revered by secular dictators. When Busharraf grabbed power he started by claiming the Ata turk was his role model. And it created host of secularists and dictators that still follow that pagan concept of secularism forced on the throats of Muslim nation by retreating colonialists.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Apr 2011 17:51 #
  20. Dusky
    Member

    Good commentary From Bassam Haddad of George Mason University on current situation and a bit of recent history of Syria.

    http://bit.ly/hj1BEd

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Apr 2011 20:27 #
  21. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Kawa chalay hans kee chal aur apni chall bhi bhool gayee ( a crow tries to walk like a lark and forgets his own style of walking). Mustafa Kamal discarded all the traditions of Turks and tried to westernize the Turks. Resultantly, Turks lost their rich traditions and became a nation which is unacceptable to the European Union.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 9:29 #
  22. US secretly backed Syrian opposition groups, cables released by Wikileaks show

    US sponsored Anti-Assad satellite channel... 'Barada TV' is telecast from UK since 2007(Barada is name of Syrian main river)

    Please Link for report: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-secretly-backed-syrian-opposition-groups-cables-released-by-wikileaks-show/2011/04/14/AF1p9hwD_story.html

    $$$ Is there anything in Middle East which could Muslims do without US help? I mean without falling in bed with US and starnge enough when comes tomorrow they always complain about their molestation by US?

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 10:34 #
  23. BARADA TV PROMO

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 10:36 #
  24. shafiq12
    member

    $$$ Is there anything in Middle East which could Muslims do without US help?

    £££ changes original creeds into crumbling creeds. There is nothing to help!!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 10:38 #
  25. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    So many tiny states in the Middle East are just like mushrooms. They are mostly dependent on other bigger states.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 10:42 #
  26. HF,
    All the tiny states in Arab land; they do form part of one big –‘The Arab Dictators club’ head by Saudi Arabia.

    Muammer Ghadafi is odd man out who did not accept to be its member that he found that it is backed by the West. In the face of uprising which is expected to bring a change in Arab lands; very conveniently Ghadafi is made a scapegoat to divert and ditch this uprising and it is seen that escalation of Civil war since created by West in Libya is bringing those desired results.

    Although the uprising has successfully been hijacked by the West ---plus on ground in the absence of any political structure or institutions in Arab world; we might see some of the regimes changing but as all revolutions against any Dictatorship always fall in the lap of another dictatorship so we will see in Arab lands too; because people are not ready nor able to cope with the change.

    Manoos Siyad say es Qadar ho gaye; keh ab Rehaii milli tou mar Gaain gey

    The only change we may see that there is going to be another set up of stooges installed by the west---(with open western manipulation as we are witnessing in Libya)

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 11:11 #
  27. In responce to:[$$$ Is there anything in Middle East which could Muslims do without US help?]

    oblivion says:[£££ changes original creeds into crumbling creeds. There is nothing to help!!!]

    In the light of stunning evidences comming to surface; You may include Pakistan also...!

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 11:34 #
  28. shafiq12
    member

    khokhar
    You didn't get the point. I thought you were wise enough!!!
    Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 11:40 #
  29. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Aay Khokar

    We always feel very optimistic when any change appears to come, but in most of the cases that change also turns up to be a result of a new conspiracy.

    Monarchy of Iran was followed by the dictatorial rule of Mullahs. 1977 PNA movement launched by the Mullahs of Pakistan resulted into Zia's dictatorship. Anwer Sadat's assassination was followed by a worse dictator like Hosni Mubarak. Eddi Ameen's expulsion was followed a regime of tyranny in Uganda.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 11:41 #
  30. ajhons
    Member

    HF you are right.down the line
    Musharraf giya Zardari aya.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 12:23 #
  31. Notty Nota.

    I Knew it very well when changed: $$$ to £££.

    But I am simply ignoring you

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 12:33 #
  32. shafiq12
    member

    khokhar

    You can ignore truth but you can't avoid it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 12:51 #
  33. Oblivion,

    Agreed

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Apr 2011 13:50 #
  34. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Massacre continues in Syria by Alawite Baathist thugs

    April 22

    BEIRUT – Witnesses say at least 24 Syrian protesters have been killed during clashes with security forces.

    Security forces fired live bullets and tear gas Friday at tens of thousands of people shouting for freedom and democracy in several areas across the country.

    Witnesses said they saw at least five corpses at the Hamdan hospital outside the capital. All suffered gunshot wounds.

    In the southern province of Daraa, other witnesses said at least 10 people were killed when protesters marched in front of the mayor's office. They said an 11-year-old boy was among the dead.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Apr 2011 15:35 #
  35. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Hafiz Ul Asad himself was considered to be an extremely disliked person of the Arab world.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Apr 2011 7:19 #
  36. zingaro
    Member

    Al-Awaitis are the worst and even they have been distinguished in the shias. Hafiz ul Asad was a hidden dagger which hit in the heart the syria long back ago. When they came into power they started implementing their agenda in Syria. In the times of Hafiz, Baath party proved to be highly callous and brutal towards Sunni majority. Their tanks enter from one side of building and go out from the other side thus causing the buildings to collapse. It is just an example otherwise they used many other brutal ways to massacre the Sunni people. This caused sunnis to go on back footing and they have been living under emergency, which was recently announced to be lifted up. Yesterday, 22 April 2011, around 72 people were killed by direct firing and hundreds got injured. Iran is fully supporting Syria. I don't know why people don't object Iran when it cries for majority in Bahrain but supports minority in Syria.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Apr 2011 7:59 #
  37. zingaro
    Member

    [b]Hama massacre[/b]

    The Hama massacre (Arabic: مجزرة حماة‎) occurred in February 1982, when the Syrian army, under the orders of the president of Syria Hafez al-Assad, conducted a scorched earth policy against the town of Hama in order to quell a revolt by the Sunni Muslim community against the regime of al-Assad.[1] The Hama massacre, personally conducted by president Assad's younger brother, Rifaat al-Assad, effectively ended the campaign begun in 1976 by Sunni Islamic groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood, against Assad's regime, whose leaders were disproportionately from president Assad's own Alawite sect. Estimates vary on the number of deaths, with the lowest estimates indicating that at least 10,000 Syrian citizens were killed,[2] the majority civilians, while others put the number at 20,000 (Robert Fisk),[1] or 40,000 (Syrian Human Rights Committee).[3][4] About 1,000 Syrian soldiers were killed during the operation and large parts of the old city were destroyed. Alongside events like the Black September massacre in Jordan, the attack has been described as among "the single deadliest acts by any Arab government against its own people in the modern Middle East".[5] The vast majority of the victims were civilians.[6]

    The Arab nationalist, Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party of Syria and the conservative Muslim Brotherhood had clashed in Syria since 1940.[7] The two groups were opposed in important ways. The Ba'ath party was secular, nationalist and led by the minority Alawites, which conservative Sunni Muslims considered Apostates. The Muslim Brotherhood, like other Islamist groups, saw nationalism as un-Islamic and religion as inseparable from politics and government. Most Ba'ath party members were from humble, obscure backgrounds and favored radical economic policies, while Sunni Muslims had dominated the souqs and landed power of Syria, and tended to view government intervention in the economy as threatening.[8] Not all Sunni notables believed in fundamentalism, and those who did not often saw the Brotherhood as a useful tool against the Ba'ath.[9] The town of Hama in particular was a "stronghold of landed conservatism and of the Muslim Brothers," and "had long been a redoubtable opponent of the Ba'athist state."[7] The first full-scale clash between the two occurred shortly after the 1963 coup in which the Ba'ath party first gained power in Syria. In April 1964 riots broke out in Hama where Muslim insurgents put up "roadblocks, stockpiled food and weapons, ransacked wine shops." After an Ismaili Ba'ath militia man was killed, riots intensified and rebels attacked "every vestige" of the Ba'ath party in Hama. Tanks were brought in to crush the rebellion and 70 members of the Muslim Brotherhood died, with many others wounded or captured, and still more disappearing underground.
    [edit] Islamic insurgency begins
    Further information: 1976-82 Islamic insurgency

    From 1976 to 1982, Sunni Islamists fought the Ba'ath Party-controlled government of Syria in what has been called "long campaign of terror".[9] Islamists attacked both civilians and off-duty military personnel, and civilians were also killed in retaliatory strike by security forces.

    In 1979 the Brotherhood undertook guerrilla activities in multiple cities within the country targeting military officers, government officials and infrastructure. The resulting government repression included abusive tactics, torture, mass arrests, and a number of massacres. The anti-regime violence included the killing of 83 mainly Alawite military cadets in Aleppo in June 1979, and three car bomb attacks in Damascus between August and November 1980 that killed hundreds. In July 1980, the ratification of Law No. 49 made membership in the Muslim Brotherhood a capital offense.[10]

    Throughout the first years of the 1980s the Muslim Brotherhood and various other Islamist factions staged hit-and-run and bomb attacks against the government and its officials, including a nearly successful attempt to assassinate president Hafez al-Assad on June 26, 1980, during an official state reception for the president of Mali. When a machine-gun salvo missed him, al-Assad allegedly ran to kick a hand grenade aside, and his bodyguard (who survived and was later promoted to a much higher position) smothered the explosion of another one. Surviving with only light injuries, al-Assad's revenge was swift and merciless: only hours later a large number of imprisoned Islamists (most reports ranged from several hundred to approximately 1000) were executed in their cells in Tadmor Prison (near Palmyra), by units loyal to the president's brother Rifaat al-Assad.
    [edit] Attack by insurgents in Hama

    The events of the Hama massacre began on 2 a.m. on 3 February 1982. An army unit searching the old city "stumbled on the hideout of the local guerilla commander, `Umar Jawwad," (aka Abu Bakr) and were ambushed. Other insurgent cells were alerted by radio and "roof-top snipers killed perhaps a score" of Syrian soldiers. Reinforcements were rushed to besiege Abu Bakr who then "gave the order for a general uprising" in Hama. Mosque loudspeakers used for the call to prayer called for jihad against the Ba'ath, and hundreds of Islamic insurgents rose to attack the homes of government officials and Baath Party leaders, overrun police posts and ransack armories. By daybreak of the morning of 3 February some 70 leading Ba'athists had been killed and the Islamist insurgents and other opposition activists proclaimed Hama a "liberated city", urging Syrians to rise up against the "infidel".[11]
    [edit] Attack by government forces

    According to author Patrick Seale, "every party worker, every paratrooper sent to Hama knew that this time Islamic militancy had to be torn out of the city, whatever the cost ..." The military was mobilized, and president Hafez al-Assad sent Rifaat's special forces (the Defense companies), elite army units and Mukhabarat agents to the city. Before the attack, the Syrian government called for the city's surrender and warned that anyone remaining in the city would be considered a rebel. Besieged by 12,000 troops, the fighting in Hama lasted for three weeks - the first week "in regaining control of the town," and the last two "in hunting down the insurgents."[11] Robert Fisk in his book Pity the Nation described how civilians were fleeing Hama while tanks and troops were moving towards the city's outskirts to start the siege. He cites reports of high numbers of deaths and shortages of food and water from fleeing civilians and from soldiers.[12]

    According to Amnesty International, the Syrian military bombed the old city center from the air to facilitate the entry of infantry and tanks through the narrow streets; buildings were demolished by tanks during the first four days of fighting. Large parts of the old city were destroyed. There are also unsubstantiated reports of use of hydrogen cyanide by the government forces.[citation needed] After encountering fierce resistance, Rifaat's forces ringed the city with artillery and shelled it for three weeks.

    Afterward, military and internal security personnel were dispatched to comb through the rubble for surviving Brothers and their sympathizers.[13] Torture and mass executions of suspected rebel sympathizers ensued, killing many thousands over several weeks.

    Estimates of casualties vary from 7,000 to 40,000 people killed, including about 1,000 soldiers.[citation needed] Robert Fisk, who was in Hama shortly after the massacre, originally estimated fatalities at 10,000, but has since doubled the estimate.[14][1] [15] The president's brother Rifaat reportedly boasted of killing 38,000 people.[16] Amnesty International initially estimated the death toll was between 10,000 and 25,000, the vast majority innocent civilians.[5]

    Reports by the Syrian Human Rights Committee estimate "over 25,000"[17] or between 30,000 to 40,000 people were killed.[18] The Syrian Muslim Brotherhood also suggests a figure of approximately 40,000 victims.

    Twenty years later, Syrian journalist Subhi Hadidi, wrote that "under the command of General 'Ali Haydar, besieged the city for 27 days, bombarding it with heavy artillery and tank [fire], before invading it and killing 30,000 or 40,000 of the city's citizens - in addition to the 15,000 missing who have not been found to this day, and the 100,000 expelled." [4]

    Source: Wikipedia

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Apr 2011 8:05 #
  38. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Hafiz Ul Asad was competent only killing the citizens of his own country. The defeat of the Syrian forces in the hands of Israel became a laughable matter. Hafiz's attempt to enter Jordan with the help of the Palestanians was also badly foiled by Gen. Zia Ul Haq and Qakan Abbasi.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Apr 2011 10:23 #
  39. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Zingaro, Jazakallah Khairan. Very timely feedback of events of Hama genocide.

    The problems the Muslim Brotherhood faced at that time was that although the Brothers called for general uprising against the Baathist Alawites thugs, the Sunnis in other parts of Syria turned their back and went business as usual. They were more interested in their daily bread rather than coming to the aid of brethren that were being massacred.The treachery of teh Sunni Brothers deprived the Hama Shaheeds a victory against Baathist thugs.

    Insha'Allah it will not be the same mistake this time around. Another important twist by the Alawites happened. Iran pushed the Shia leader Musa Sadr to stop calling Alawites as kafirs and included them into the Shia fold to offer them legitimicy as Shias. That was just a ploy to fool the masses. Although late Shaikh Bin Baz RA in Jeddah gave a fatwa against Alawites as Kafirs nevertheless the corrupt Saudi Kings always invited Assad to OIC offering the butcher of Hama much needed legitimacy. I also heard that late Assad went to Ummayad Masjid and declared hinmself a "Sunni" Muslim to fool the masses.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Apr 2011 17:06 #
  40. @AR
    Very timely feedback of events of Hama genocide
    Let's not play loose with that term (killing even 40,000 does not a genocide make). It cheapens the real ones and screams of your extreme bias. It was a "massacre" and we should keep it at that.

    @HF
    "Hafiz's attempt to enter Jordan with the help of the Palestanians was also badly foiled by Gen. Zia Ul Haq and Qakan Abbasi"
    Again, perspective please. You seem to imply Hazrat Zia was doing God's work. He was just a paid mercenary from one American colony trying to save another of America's colonies.
    ;-)

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Apr 2011 17:33 #
  41. @Aay
    "Notty Nota.
    I Knew it very well when changed: $$$ to £££.
    But I am simply ignoring you "

    I think you are dying for attention. I didn't even have a post and yet you were dreaming of me...that's some ignoring ;-)

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Apr 2011 17:40 #
  42. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Nota,

    Agreed if we use the western terminology of genocide. But Quran says kiling one soul is like killing humanity. Based on a very clear verse in quran killing one person by anybody (whether muslim or non-muslim) and for any reason but self defence is "genocide".

    THE HOLY QUR'AN (5:32)

    …Whoever took a single life (one soul), except if it be for murder or spreading mischief and corruption in the land - It would be as if He killed the whole of Humanity; And (likewise) if any one saved one life, it would be as if he saved the life of all people.

    In the above verse, the Qur'an states that in God's eyes if someone was to kill just one innocent person it is considered just as great as killing all people on earth. Murder is Murder. Since the life of each unique soul is God's creation and possession, to have no respect for the sanctity of the life of just one of His creatures is to disrespect life and the one who gave it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Apr 2011 18:23 #
  43. @AR
    "Agreed if we use the western terminology of genocide. But Quran says kiling one soul is like killing humanity."
    Oh come on! This is spinning it for one's own purpose, misusing the lines from the Qur'an.

    (But if you really want to follow that line, then do it accurately at least. Say it was "'like'/'as if'" genocide"!!! BIG difference)

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Apr 2011 5:07 #
  44. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Nota

    I don't deny the wrongdoings of Gen. Zia. He was no doubt a wrongdoer. What I mean to state is that a wrongdoer (Gen. Zia) clashed with another wrongdoer (Hafiz Asad). The Palestanian leader Yasir Arfat was no different from the two wrongdoers. It was a fight of devils.

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Apr 2011 6:39 #
  45. @HF
    "It was a fight of devils."
    That's all i was saying... ;-)

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Apr 2011 7:07 #
  46. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Mass murderer Assad awarded highest medal by the clown Ahmedinijad. This is clear proof of axis of evil of Syria, Iran and Israel backed by US. No wonder US and NATO will never bomb Syria. They want to change the balance of power from Iraq to Syria. Syria is under control of Baathist Alawite thugs.

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Apr 2011 3:21 #
  47. sipahi
    Member

    @ Abdul Rehman

    Name very nice - but seems to have no positive affect on behavior.
    Burning with hate, will do anything to be tool of anti-Islam forces.

    Posted six months old video- (see CNN report)

    http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-03/world/iran.mideast.peace.talks_1_lebanese-president-michel-suleiman-iran-s-press-tv-iranian-president-mahmoud-ahmadinejad?_s=PM:WORLD

    Extract:
    In a meeting with Assad on Saturday, Ahmadinejad said, "The current regional situation is changing in favor of regional nations," according to Iran's Press TV. Ahmadinejad also awarded his Syrian counterpart with Iran's highest national medal "for his resistance against arrogant powers, defense of the rights of the Palestinian and Lebanese nations, and his key role in the stability and tranquility of regional countries," according to Press TV.

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Apr 2011 3:38 #
  48. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Iran has facilitated the occupation of Afghanistan and this hypocrite clown Ahmedinijad is talking about regional powers? He can fool some naive sipahis but cannot fool the mass uprising in Syria. The country was founded on hate of anything non-Arab. Sipahi, I bet you have no clue about the Baath ideology otherwise you won't be spewing your ignorance on this forum.

    Sipahi forgets that Alawites were given power by retreating French colonialists and these Alawites took the cover of Baath party to grab power. They have let loose a reign of terror since 40 yeares and now they will face the wrath of the Syrian nation. As one commentator wrote they are fighting for survival and in doing so are committing horrible atrocities because they know very well what will happen to them eventually- Alawites will be hung from every lamp post in Syria.

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Apr 2011 4:25 #
  49. sipahi
    Member

    @ Abdul Rehman

    I am no admirer of Baath parties in either Syria or Iraq. They have used and continue to use terror and torture in both countries.

    I was referring to your posting of an old video and trying your best to associate current actions by Baathist in Syria with Iran.

    As far as facilating occupation of Afghanistan, biggest culprit is yours and my country of birth - Pakistan. 70% of supplies to Nato and Drone attacks are done with the blessing of Pakistani government.

    There is only one muslim country, which supports genuine leadership of Palestine in Gaza. You should at least acknowledge that.

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Apr 2011 4:59 #
  50. sipahi
    Member

    @ Abdul Rehman

    I am no admirer of Baath parties in either Syria or Iraq. They have used and continue to use terror and torture in both countries.

    I was referring to your posting of an old video and trying your best to associate current actions by Baathist in Syria with Iran.

    As far as facilating occupation of Afghanistan, biggest culprit is yours and my country of birth - Pakistan. 70% of supplies to Nato and Drone attacks are done with the blessing of Pakistani government.

    There is only one muslim country, which supports genuine leadership of Palestine in Gaza. You should at least acknowledge that.

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Apr 2011 4:59 #

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