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Taleem or humara mustaqbil

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expakistani
Member

School peon takes to teaching ignored students
http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=202932

its just a FYI, for KL Bill hatters ...

any how Salam to Peon Masood Taqi....

Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 22:33 #
Beenai
Moderator

when u choose feudals to rule us .
they wont let you get your kids educated .
as their mentality is like that ...
they wont let any one to get education and becomes any more important than the feudal lord himself.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 5:20 #
Asif
Blocked

expakistani

its the fault of their parents who send their kids to such kinna schools just for formality, waiting for them to turn into teens to send them somewhere to learn something to earn.

This nation has only two choices, one keep on waiting for an honest leader or two, do everything to bring up their kids in a way that their kids follow their footsteps unconsiously. And 2nd choice is the only choice thats in their hand. Its good to hope for an honest leader but its worse to waste time in waiting for an honest leaders' arrival.

Thses people need to understand just ONE word, yes literaly just ONE word & that is "IQRA" of Arabic, the first word revealed on Hazrat MUHAMMAD (PBUH).

Beauty of being a human being lies in struggle for betterment & in adding value in the Universe thats in ones capacity.

be beautiful...

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 6:06 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Asif ,
@its the fault of their parents who send their kids to such kinna schools just for formality

No ..i disagree .
some of the parents wanna get their kids education but are of less fortune to afford the fee of proper schools ...
thats why they go for these kinda 2 number schools .
its their helplessness ..they r not making a choice but they have no choice actually .
not all the parents can afford their kids to go to Citi school ,Beacon house ,and grammar school.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 8:10 #
NNL
member

The problem i think Beenai is that people who have educated themselves arent giving back to the society.

If everyone of us starts focusing on giving back then we will be the most advanced nation ever.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 8:12 #
amin1924
member

Right, we give back education, but to only our children.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 8:16 #
Beenai
Moderator

@NNL,
good point ...but individuals wont take it seriously ,until or unless Govt makes it a rule and makes it a point to enforce it as a must .

i have remember ,in my college days ...there was a rule that in order to get your graduation degree ,u need to educate some one for primary education ...
but it was just a formality with the name of 'each one,teach one' campaign .
nobody really bothered to apply it and we all got degrees without any hurdles .

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 8:30 #
shriq
Member

@NNL,

"people who have educated themselves arent giving back to the society"

Well Said! If we want to change whatever is happening in our society (many of these are direct or indirect effect of us being less educated or illiterate) then we shall have to try to educate our people. The way has to be selected!

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 8:46 #
NNL
member

here is what u can do
Simply go to a school ask them to be a part time teacher for a mere RS 1000 or petrol expenses and you will teach them for free.

Trust me if u tell these kids what they are doing u will change them.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 11:37 #
shriq
Member

NNL what you are suggesting can be done by Pakistanis living in homeland.

We are OPs; cant do that; so what I am doing is paying fees for some!!

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 11:49 #
Asif
Blocked

the false mantra of "food over education" is the lethal tool in the hands of elite destroying the very basis of muslim as well as a human being.

And I don't agree with this notion at all.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 14:05 #
Asif
Blocked

Its not necessory to go into an expensive school in order to get education. It depends upon the struggle of ones parents that will reflect in kids life later on & not that whether he sent his kids to an expensive school or not.

But the thing that will matter is that whether his/her parents preferred education over everything else of daily life or not, this thing plays the key role in determining the future of the kids. And this is where our parents are worse in general & none of the leaders are pushing in this direction either.

Both resources & objective of life determines the fate of people. And if one don't have resources then objective of life & struggle to achieve it is the only thing that determines the fate of those people.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 14:11 #
amin1924
member

In today's world, everyone is on his/her own. To generate electricity, to manage water supply, to earn bread, provide education, safety & security -everything. City people can't devote any time on any other activity.

People who have chaudary or wadera background should open schools in their villages for primary education. They can do it without much expenses if they want to do it.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 14:20 #
javedsheikh
Members

1. Feudal Lords in Pakistan very rarely supported or contributed to encourage education within their estates.
2. One of the classic Examples, is about Nawab Malik Ameer Mohammad Khan who didn't allowed any school or post office in Kala Bagh.
2. The attitude of the feudal lords in Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan and NWFP is not different.
3. The population living within their estates is intentionally kept ignorant to avoid the challenges to their authority due to awareness of the masses.
4. There was a news where illegal breweries of alcohol are functioning within school buildings in Sindh Province.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 14:43 #
amin1924
member

Also not to forget that these feudal lords comprise the pillar of democracy -they will always get elected and are in power-

British Raj throughout their colonial rule worked with them and promoted them for their interest and after that our establishment is doing the same.

That is why one can't rely on elections for real change.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 14:54 #
Anonymous

Bhai, I keep saying all evils including terrorism we see in Pakistan today are results of bad governance.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 15:39 #
expakistani
Member

... I am worst then Peon Masood Taqi, I think just paying Zakat in Ramzan, buying Made in Pakistan stuff and talking Bull about feudal lords and this Govt and that govt is not enough....

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 16:05 #
amin1924
member

bsobaid,

Right, but also need to analyze how we reached this situation.

Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 16:09 #
Beenai
Moderator

to educate masses ,media can play a very crucial role.
and its playing indeed .
just need to have a bit more focus on educational content .

i wont support the idea of having a total education based channel as ,one of my professor of Mass comm ,has suggested in a debate ...
that would be useless as nobody is going to tune in to a boring and 100% educational channel ,while switching from colorful entertainment channels .

so my suggestion is that ,all the existing channel should go for a combined drive against illiteracy and should dedicate some of the time to the infotainment based educational shows and other content .

Posted 2 years ago on 16 Oct 2009 10:25 #
NNL
member

Shriq

I know but one can really help around by making Schools or faciliating such schools or focus on improving the teaching upgrade.

A Good Teacher can influence a lot of kids in one blow.

Sadly the tuition centres have killed the schools a whole lot.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 Oct 2009 11:06 #
Nationalist
Member

@Beenai:
Excellent suggestion, makes perfect sence. And I am sure from media you mean all sorts of media, TV, Radio, Print. I fully support this idea.

Can you advise, how can we contribute to communicate this to media guys or take this suggestion to some larger forum like Parliment?

Thats what I expect from good forums, that if something brilliant comes out, it MUST reach higher i.e. at the level of Parliment, Minister of Edu, President, PM.

But how to do that ???

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 6:54 #
amin1924
member

Teleem/Education/Economy etc are fruits of tree. What is the point of discussion while we don't have a tree that produces these fruits.

This is one reason why people are not interested in such discussions, because first we need to sow the plant, grow it into tree and then nurture fruits.

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 11:45 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

I have been involved with bunch of this fine young Pakistani students/youth group who are performing an excellent job in Pakistan. They helped me with swat IDP Rescue aid too. These are non-political kids and are doing this as part of social services.
They have recently taken over few schools in the slums of Karachi.
I would suggest any one who wants to help them to contact them.

http://missionrescuepakistan.com/

You can also find them on facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=32965433495&ref=ts

Regards

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 13:34 #
expakistani
Member

Recently i attended one of the function arranged by Zindig trust of Shahzad Roy.. They are doing wonderful job by adopting one Govt school in Karachi ( some where near Garden east) and turning that school in to model school .... they have changed the syllabus, idea of "pay to learn" etc

http://www.zindagitrust.org/

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 17:09 #
Nationalist
Member

@JJKhan:
I didn't get your point of not having a tree. Believe it or not, its a country, with schools and education system. It could be bad or not upto the mark, but we can't say it doesn't exist. Definately it needs improvement & input.

@expakistani & KHAN_Sahib:
Yes definately good examples, definately good work, definately this is the way to forward. And I'm sure everyone of us has been doing something in that regard to contribute, whichever is in our capacity.
But on the other hand I am sure none of us is satisfied, even by doing the bits, which we can do?

Point is how can we exponentiate or multiply by spreading our words. Generating an idea the way "Beenai" did. I am convinced thats going to have mass-effect rather than one-one effect. i.e. me supporting 2 kids vs. 1 hour in Geo supporting hundereds of kids.

Why shall we not use same thread to create a document, a proposal document addressed to Mr. President or Mr. PM or Mr. Chairman Geo TV or something like that.
A Proposal from PkPolitics forum to contribute in spreading education.

@Beenai:
Lets start adding your thought in terms of solid points. So eventually at the end of a month or so, we would be able to create some proposal and would be able to send that UP.

I m not sure how to take that document to some higher personale. What will be the process to get an acknowledgement or atleat critical analysis from the cretiques, so that we can correct it in 2nd draft.

Thoughts Please !!!

Posted 2 years ago on 08 Nov 2009 22:47 #
amin1924
member

Nationalist,

There are two options to solve a problem. First is to react to a situation, burn your energy by doing 'something' that will give moral/spiritual sense of satisfaction or accomplishment while the problem stays as is.

Second is to address the problem in a way that it is solved.

Since the nature or level of the problem is national so it needs to be addressed at that level too. Some individuals out of their zeal to do something will not solve the problem.

When we look at the problem from national perspective then we can see that Education is at very low priority compared with other affairs, why?

Another debatable arguments is the perspective from which city people look at education. Education and knowledge are two different things. A person may not be educated from one persons perspective but from another he is knowledgeable and skillful. Pakistan is an agriculture based country, and mostly people are knowledgeable about what is 'good' and what 'bad'.

Just some random thoughts to give you hint/idea of what I have in mind.

Thx

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 4:16 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Nationalist ,
thanks for appreciating my suggestion.
how to communicate it to the high ups ?
that should be sorted out ..
my suggestion is to sent a collective mail .
one of us should jot down the draft ...post it here .
we all should agree and i will send the same draft across all channels i e Geo,Aaj,Ary ,Duniya etc plus all newspapers including Jang ,Dawn,News,Nation ,Naway Waqat etc.
we will do the urdu translation and send the same draft in shape of letters to editors to every leading eng and urdu paper .
if any of the member has got links with any paper or media house high ups or anchors ,he can send it across to their personal mail box ,for an immediate response .

what u ppl think about it ?

Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 5:29 #
Nationalist
Member

Absolutely Brilliant...
Lets make it a reality then.
So that something meaningful comes out from this platform.

Posted 2 years ago on 13 Nov 2009 4:30 #
amin1924
member

Regarding how to communicate it to the high ups?

well, I don't think that communication is an issue here, problem is inaction from the govt and inaction is due to lack of funds and political will.

Posted 2 years ago on 13 Nov 2009 4:57 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Lack of funds is never a problem. It can be easily fixed by cutting back on ministers's luxuries.

The REAL problem is the WILL part. They don't have the WILL to do it, because of a plethora of reasons.

Posted 2 years ago on 13 Nov 2009 7:40 #