zia m
Member
Out of 187 countries in the world Pakistan is 166 with 1.296 /1000.
Physicians we are at #122 with 0.74/1000.
Anybody know what is the number of Mullas /1000 in Pakistan?
My purpose is not to lay blame but raise awareness.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_sec_edu_tea_percap-education-secondary-teachers-per-capita
Most of the Mosques in Pakistan have a Muazzin and a Khateeb.
Are you comparing teachers (general) with Mullas (religious)?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
(1) What reason do you have to blame MULLAH for this ?
(a) Has MULLAH been running Pakistan since it was created ?
(b) Does MULLAH collect Zakaat or taxes in Pakistan ?
(c) Is MULLAH running justice system of Pakistan ?
(2) Who is running Pakistan ?
(3) Who is managing Pakistan's money ?
(4) Who has the power to make decisions in Pakistan ?
(5) Is MULLAH running justice system in Pakistan ?
(6) Why don't you question those who run Pakistan, about this ?
(7) Why do you drag MULLAH in an affair in which he's not involved ?
zia m
Member
Mirza sahib,
Yes, some people think most religious countries are backward.Trying to find out if there is any truth in it.
@zia m
Now here I may not agree with you. This is a western perception of the Muslim world they love to see as devoid or deprived of Islamic religious norms.
Having their own values that suits them best they have termed their crafty western values quite conviniently like fornication = dating! Or if a Muslim is not a practicing, enjoys alcohol and else etc than he is a moderate. A practicing Muslim is ridiculed as a fundamentalists or even an extremist.
One who fights against west imposed suppressions or forced occupation is labeled as a terrorist while he is nothing more than a freedom fighter.
My dear, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and others will stay divided among themselves as various sects of Muslims but they turn ferocious when a non concerning 'anyone' meddles into their religious affairs.
It is impossible to compel/coerce/force 1.2 billion Muslims to convert into anything but Muslims.
Suddenly you seem to be interested in religion if I may ask?
zia m
Member
It is not limited to Muslim countries only.Most Catholic countries like Mexico for example are in the same predicament.
I have noticed the more a country is religious, the people seem to be against science.
Just an observation i could be wrong.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
O bhae, no! religious people are against science. The best advancements you see in science were made by those who were most! religious.
Religious people only negate that which comes in conflict with Islam's rules, principles, guidelines, etc etc. Some of those rules, principles, guidelines we understand, some we don't understand.
You have no knowledge of history of Muslims, their work, their discoveries, their inventions, their contribution. How can you co-relate, when you have no knowledge of past Muslim civilizations ? You are blind! as a result of deficiency of knowledge of history!.
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That is why you don't understand the most important stuff.
- Why do you think the west wants Muslims to forget their past ?
- Why are they desperately trying so hard for Muslims to forget their past ?
Why ? Because if you got knowledge of the past!!, you will GET ANSWERS to ALL your questions.
You will find out facts, evidence, knowledge that will show you, that the system set up in the modern western world is the worst conceivable crap! you can ever find.
You will yourself reject the west altogether! as a result. You will become the best of Muslims as a result, on your own.
zia m
Member
Ibn Sina and Ibn Rushd were not fundamentalists like the most Mullas we have today.
I don't think you are aware of Islamic history most of the great poly maths were declared heretics.Same thing is happening today, Scholars like Ziauddin Sardar are considered heretics.
naseemkhanan
Member
Don't think so. Christian/Greek past has been retrogressive to growth of science was equated with magic, and a man of science was forced to take poison, burned at stake, or decapitated. After when Islam arrived on the scene, many of these learned people out of fear of prosecution fled to Muslim (and other) lands seeking refuge where they were well received. This interaction resulted into a scientific revolution. Muslims were able to know about the Greek and Romans through translations and with knowledge gained through non Muslims interacting with them while advancing their own, many Muslims scientists made their mark. They are now part of history never to be forgotten as great men of knowledge; of science.
Islam has been a patron of science and learning for all fields.
Crusades (church) played a crucial role in spreading hate for Muslims. Muslim clergy developed hate in parallel to an extent that they abhorred to follow anything that came from non Muslims, even their language.
But this is not the case any more. Muslims know they can't do without science and technology. Realizing this they are picking up fast.
But a Mullah will continue to play an important part in any Muslim's life too, as a religious guide. Muslims love to improve their knowledge but also feel the desire to keep their knowledge of religious affairs updated.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@zia m: *sigh*. Your streak of complaints doesn't come to an end.
When are you going to find time to;
(1) think positive ?
(2) work for betterment ?
Most MULLAHs you see today are the output of a system of suppression by the criminal elite. These elite were given money, land, power at the time of partition. They were given the duty to keep Muslims undermined, suppressed, oppressed. To-date they quash every hint of competition they find among us, with impunity. To-date, they remain in power.
As a result, MULLAH have never had the resources, the ability to come out of the poverty cycle.
Once a man gets trapped in this cycle of poverty, how do you expect them to do wonders for you ?
Furthermore, those who have been running Govt. of Pakistan, they have never cared for this. If they would have done their job, you would be watching much! much! better output from MULLAHs today.
Yes, the MULLAH have now spread ALL over the world. They are getting hold of resources. In time, they will force this criminal elite OUT!, INSHALLAH.
The MULLAH! is coming! back!, INSHALLAH. Not only is he coming back, he's bringing back the wondrous!! era of Khilafah, which will open the door of justice, endless goodness, possibilities for Muslims, INSHALLAH.
I invite you to become part of it.
naseemkhanan
Member
Ibn Sina and Ibn Rushd were not fundamentalists like the most Mullahs we have today.
They existed as Muslims in their times, while the term fundamentalists is a misleading term, a title or a label given to a Muslims who is following the very fundamentals of Islam. Our Moulanas have opted to excel in religious affairs. Their choice. Nothing wrong with it. We are here as Muslims and not clergy who are fulfilling the needful as scientists, doctors etc.
Anyway these terms are recent inventions. And they are wearing off their charm too fast. Some more new misleading terms should be invented!!!
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
The Anglo-Americans know very well, the powerhouse of Muslims is the MULLAH. As long as he's subdued, oppressed, subjugated, there's no one to;
(1) guide Muslims
(2) lead Muslims
(3) give FREEDOM to Muslims
(4) give Muslims new ideas
(5) inspire Muslims
(6) make Muslims RISE! back! to their former power
That is why when they left British subcontinent, they left behind feudals, land lords, a feudal lord Army (Pak Army) trained and loyal to this date to British traditions, to British law. These were people who were traitors to Muslims when British were here. These were people who served the British before Pakistan came into being.
The feudal lords will fight MULLAH till the end. Its a war for power. MULLAH will win it no doubt. But the feudal lords will do a lot of damage before MULLAH, and as a result Muslims, re-gain their FREEDOM.
The fight between feudal lords and MULLAH gives Anglo-Americans the time they need to;
(1) flourish
(2) further their hegemony over this world
(3) further their imperial plans
(4) subjugate Muslims
(5) keep Muslims enslaved
(6) subjugate the entire population of this planet
(7) enslave the entire population of this planet
Jews, Anglo-Americans are going to enslave entire population of this planet with the weapon called 'debt'.
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To-date you will see in Pakistani Army that they remain loyal to the age old traditions created and left among us by British. Pak Army remains loyal to British law.
That is another reason for which I detest Pak Army. Pak Army doesn't know the traditions of Islam's Army. They have 'ratta-fied' (in urdu) the British traditions, British laws. They continue to be loyal to British traditions, British laws.
I wonder if this is too much info for you to gulp in one day/night.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
MULLAH! is the powerhouse of Muslims. Without MULLAH, Muslims will NEVER! rise back to their former glory.
zia m
Member
Orthodoxy exists in every religion, there are Orthodox Jew, Christians and Muslims.Fundamentalism is just a modern term basically it is orthodoxy.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@zia m: Are you trying to give Islam a slap by using the word 'orthodox' / 'orthodoxy' ?
Do you think any Muslim will accept that ?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@zia m: (1) The problem between you and me is communication gap.
I understand many things, that you don't. But I am unable to communicate my knowledge to you.
That is exactly what is wrong between MULLAH and those Muslims who like to be 'secular'. There's a communication gap. MULLAH knows a lot that Muslims who like be 'secular' don't. Yet MULLAHs lack the communication skills to convey his knowledge to them.
This communication gap is what caused bitterness between Muslims and MULLAH in our past generations. Each was unable to understand what the other was saying.
I have the knowledge. But I lack communication skills. I have improved on our past generations, but apparently, not to sufficient levels.
You perhaps have the communication skills, but you lack the knowledge, the understanding.
Hence, our dilemma.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Ok, so where has the discussion reached ? What's next ?
@Zia m,
good post ...
we are short of teachers and we have excess of politicians .
ratio should be vice versa ...
if we wanna save our nation ...
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@choosy: If you'r pointing at the fact that Ulamaa have come into politics, then you'r gravely mistaken.
For Muhammad (SAW) did politics, Companions (RA, RAA) of Muhammad (SAW) did politics.
How can you tell Ulamaa not to engage in Sunnah of the above ?
Gandagi jahan zyada hoti hai, wahan safaee ki zaroorat bhi zyada hoti hai
@Hariskhan bhai ,
arrray ,bhai i was not at all talking about Ulemah .
i was talkin about the general politicians .
wasiay ;Qazi ,Fazlu and Munnawr Hassan falls in Techers category or politician category ?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@choosy: Jis sawal ka jawab main de chuka hoon, usi ko phir repeat kar rahe ho ?
Kahan hai tumhari intelligence, tumhari sochne ki taqat ?
Yaar! .. yaar!! tum bhi aho nikle.
sorry Haris bhai ,
aap se tou mein sorry foran kar leta hon aap ko pata hay .:):):)
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@choosy: Aho, sorry karne main taiz ho. Kaam ka kaam phir bhi koee nahi karna.
Socho! mere bhaee. ALLAH ka dia hua tuhfa -> Aqal! <- istemal karo. Kharch!!! karo aqal ko.
Agar Muhammad (SAW) par belief hai, to un (SAW) ki seerat ko parhHo, apni awareness main izafa karo.
Aik barha masla Pakisatniyo'n ke sath ye bhi hai ke wo kitabain kakh nahi parhHte. Bolte bohat hain.
(1) Did Muhammad (SAW) not do politics ?
(2) Did Companions (RA, RAA) of Muhammad (SAW) not do politics ?
@Haris bhai ,
ap ko pata hay na kay mein is blog ka no2 philosopher hon aur aap phir bhi kehtay hain kay mein aqal nahin karta ?
Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) se tou kisi ka koi muqabla aap kar hi nhain saktay .
he was a complete human being,Insaan e Kamil.
samjhdar politician bhi ,Aiman daar Tajir bhi ,
muddabir danishwar bhi ,ba amal teacher bhi
unki kiya baat thi...
aap unse kiasay aaj kal kay politicains ko mila saktay hain ?its no comparison .
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@choosy: O bhaee jab aap ke mutabiq ye 'ho hi nahi sakta' to phir kis liye philosophy kar rahe ho ?
Koee aur kaam dhoondo.
Philosophy wahan ki jati hai jahan insaniyat ki behtari maqsood ho. Aap ke mutabiq to aisa ho hi nahi sakta.
(sarcasm) To phir -> lage! raho (/sarcasm)
arary mein ne kab kaha kay aiasa ho hi nahin sakta .
i was saying that nobody can be comapred with Rasool Allah .
and this is a FACT !
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@choosy: Aho, isi liye to maine kaha;
(sarcasm) agar yahi baat hai, to phir -> lage! raho
Jab pehle se zehn main soch lia hai ke kuchch kia hi nahi ja sakta, to phir falsafa jharhne ki kia zaroorat hai ?
Aap ki soch ke mutabiq to falsafa bilkul baikaar! cheez hai. Us ki zaroorat hi nahi hai.
Phir to ja ke koee aur kaam dhoondo (/sarcasm)
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Aap ka khayal hai, ALLAH ne arbo'n insano'n ko Muhammad (SAW) ban jane ke liye banaya hai ? Kaisi be-tuki baatain karte ho ?
ALLAH ne arbo'n insano'n ko apne diye hue hukm par amal karne ke liye banaya hai. Muhammad (SAW) ko aik example bana ke bheja tha, ta ke dunya ke tamaam! loag us example ko follow karain.
Ab agar loag us example ko follow karna hi nahi chahte, to us par ye drama karte ho ke aisa ho hi nahi sakta ?
Seedhi Seedhi baat karo ke Sunnat-e-Rasool (SAW) ko phainkna chahte hain, aur apna zehn ki soch main jo ata hai wo karna chahte hain.
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