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Ten Reasons Why the Afghan Resistance Will Win:

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  1. - The Resistance has deep roots in the population – family community, linguistic and cultural ties which the US does not possess nor can “invent”; nor can these ties be bought, traded or replicated by their Afghan ‘collaborators’ or imposed by propaganda.

    - The Resistance has fluid borders and broad international support especially with Pakistan but also with other anti-imperialist, Islamic groups who provide arms and volunteers and who engage in actively attacking the logistical transport supply lines of US-NATO military in Pakistan. They also pressure overseas US client regimes like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Somalia opening multiple fronts.

    - Widespread infiltration, voluntary, active and passive support of the Resistance among the US recruited and trained Afghan military and police results in crucial intelligence on troop movements. Desertions and absenteeism undermines “military competence”.

    - The scope and breadth of Resistance activity over extends the imperial armies at its current strength and causes it to rely on unreliable Afghan security, who have no stomach for killing their brethren, especially when directed against communities with relatives or ethnic kin.

    - Resistance allies are more loyal, less corrupt and reliable because of deeply shared beliefs. US allies are loyal only because of ephemeral monetary gratification and the temporary presence of US military force.

    - The Resistance appeals to the people in the name of a return to law and order in everyday life, which preceded the disruptive invasion. The US promise of positive outcomes following a successful war, have no popular resonance after a decade long destructive occupation.

    - The US has no belief system that can compete with the religious-nationalist-traditionalist appeal of the Resistance to the vast majority of village, small town and displaced rural population.

    - The Resistance’s support of Iraqi, Palestinian and other anti-imperialist forces has a positive appeal among the Afghan people who have seen the destructive results of US wars in Iraq and proxy wars in Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen. The US backed Israeli assault of Lebanon and the humanitarian ship destined for Palestine and the highly visible presence of Zionist militants in the US government, repels the more politically aware opinion leaders in Afghanistan.

    - Afghans have, by force of circumstances, longer staying power in resisting the US military occupation, than the US people who have other, far more pressing needs and the US military with growing commitments in the Gulf.

    - The Afghan Resistance does not normally kill civilians in combat missions since the US troops and NATO are clearly identified. Whereas, the opposite is not true. The Afghans who are part of the villages in occupied communities are subject to assassinations by “Special Forces” and drone bombings. In these circumstances ordinary people suffer the same military assaults as Resistance fighters.

    Excerpt from article by James Petras entitled: "Afghanistan: THe Longest Lost War"

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25742.htm

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 8:23 #
  2. This piece is dedicated to all those amongst us on this honourable blogsite who seem to feel US is with us to stay for all eternity. James Petras is a highly respected West journalist, known for his integrity rather than for media corruption.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 8:28 #
  3. I disagree with the title a bit...they have already won! :)

    James Petras: Afghanistan – The Longest Lost War

  4. nota, bravo! Exactly my own feeling and that of other people in the know.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 9:03 #
  5. Shock
    Members

    Well Nota, this war is over when U.S decides it is over. Not you or some author living in New York. If you have the power to finish this war, then I wanna see U.S troops gone tomorrow. Whether U.S "wins" or "loses" the war, whatever the outcome of the war is, it doesn't affect America one bit but it does affect Afghanistan and indirectly Pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 9:08 #
  6. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    O .. USA / Nato and their allies will be kicked out of this region alright.

    We'll do it alright. By fighting the bloody war they are forcing upon us. They will accept no other option. They will not listen to reason. They want war.

    They want to force war on us, which they think they'll win. After which they think they'll endlessly charge us for the cost of war for decades if not centuries to come.

    Which means they plan on looting Muslim UMMAH of its wealth, its resources, its skilled and hard working labour, its interests, the future of its people, its well-being for another century or two or even more.

    We'll fight them alright. We'll kick them out of this region, INSHALLAH. We won't accept to be bullied. We won't pay them any damages, any costs they incur of war.

    In-fact we want to make fighting wars so expensive for them, that they'll drown under enormous debt. Debt so big, they won't be able to stand up against us for centuries to come, INSHALLAH.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 12:48 #
  7. Hear! Hear! That's what Allah Talha seems to have given us Muslims as a special gift. The deaths of many Muslims, it is true, in return for the death of the west. Muslims as saviours of the world, what a signal honour from above we have received for our faith!

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 13:09 #
  8. SufiSoul
    Member

    I think Afghans Just Putting their trust over ALLAH and go out in the battle field.
    NOW it's not Afghans but the WAR is among ALLAH's Invisible forces and EVILS.
    Alone Afghan's poor cannot fight and win such wars.
    ALLAH is helping them due to their initial trust over ALLAH..

    t/c

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 13:17 #
  9. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Afghanistan has always been a trap for all wicked invaders. The last mouse trapped into Afghanistan was USSR, which then ceased its integrity by falling into this trap. Now the present mouse in the trap is the USA.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 13:24 #
  10. SufiSoul exactly. You've said all that needed to be said about this war. Thank you. Your words were much needed.

    HK, too, added a historical note which must never be forgotten. Afghanistan was chosen to be the "graveyard of empires", just as the Palestinian people where chosen to be the conscience of the Muslim Ummah.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 14:23 #
  11. Hussain Farooqui
    Brother, Afghanistan is still a graveyard of empires. You just have to count daily causalities and military hardware losses inflicted by Afghan freedom fighters on Americans and their evil allies combined, as a proof.

    Frustration is evident through American action on BP and sanctions on Iran just to divert attention away from the on going finals in Afghanistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 16:20 #
  12. shimatoree
    Member

    The most important thing to keep in mind is once the invaders leave- what effect the new dynamics will have on Pakistan and the region because this will bring forth existential changes for keeps.
    And we must keep in mind that there will be regional powers that will try to prevent such existential changes . This is esp: going to be the case with Iran , Saudi Arabia and India and Pakistan.
    My own feeling is -
    1. that this will not only change the political dynamics but the military situation in a manner which is not being foreseen by those at the Pakistan GHQ or by anyone else.
    2. The biggest loser will be Saudi Arabia inspite of all their money and they will try to use Pakistan as their mole in the equation.
    3.The house of cards in Central Asia will finally crumble.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 17:41 #
  13. Russia is gaining ground morphing once again into former USSR increasing its influence in Central Asian States. Two big shots are saber rattling in Kazakhstan is just one indicator that America is not willing to lose ground easily.

    Amity between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that used to be is no more or at least not at that level.

    India will be the only American stooge (Pakistan will distance itself away) in this area after the Americans and NATO leave for good (they don't want to as they did not staged the whole drama of 9/11 just to leave this area).

    I think Pakistan should improve its relations with Central Asian States and should not look forward to the Gulf States who don’t count much in the UNO. Pakistan should think of China, Iran, Afghanistan, Turkey, Central Asia, Malaysia, and Indonesia more than the Middle East or the West.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 18:18 #
  14. Call the Politburo, We’re in Trouble
    Entering the Soviet Era in America

    By Tom Engelhardt

    Even if the world can’t imagine what a bankrupt America might mean -- it’s far clearer that, in the titanic struggle of the two superpowers that we came to call the Cold War, there were actually two losers, and that, when the “second superpower” left the scene, the first was already heading for the exits, just ever so slowly and in a state of self-intoxicated self-congratulation.

    Read more:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25746.htm

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 9:53 #
  15. N.B. Come on. let's make it up. You gave me 24 hours to rethink my position. I've done so. I acknowledge my mistakes. I was in the wrong. A falling out among potential allies doesn't help anyone. Please to forgive and forget. Thanks.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 9:56 #
  16. US will never ever leave Afghanistan that is for sure. After securing a mega green zone in Iraq; Bagram base in Afghanistan is the prime US command base of the future.While Afghan cities remain in control of US; Taliban may be left to wonder around till they are tamed.

    Afghanistan is located at the cross roads and is the hub of all the economic resources of the central Asia, Middle East and subcontinent. Rightly so Afghanistan serves as the Command post of the world. Being here in Afghanistan US remain in control of all the economic resources of the world and can keep a stern check on China, Russia and India.

    The is pertinent to note that how the theory pertaining to 9/ 11 debacle and the requirement of creating a pretext of a Global war against terror were met prior to launching of this phoney Global war against so called terror and how a stooge like Osama bin laden was installed to carry out the decoy actions--- like coming out with threatening videos messages and subversive actions right before the time that US wanted to take some action on ground in Iraq or Afghanistan. Osama is the best US friend indeed.

    Al Qaeda services for the US are extra ordinary and its omnipresence ; from Iraq to Afghanistan, Africa or now in Pakistan disguise as TTP---is matter of amazement for every body.

    But the irony is that in this game of US; Pakistan itself is the part and parcel of this game and an active proxy to bring about all possible services and to help lay out all possible targets for US to carry out their required actions—behaving like some concubine.

    US will make sure that Iran; a hard nut which is not yet cracked ultimately is subjugated. Pakistan’s actions on ground show that its future lies in acting as US subservient and in the process US will make sure that the nuclear upper hand that Pakistan enjoys at the moment--- with the passage of time owing to its ever depleting economic condition; compelled to hands over the nuclear controls to US or these arsenals go inert and are rendered useless.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 10:32 #
  17. larki
    Blocked

    there are trillions of dollars worth of minirals waiting to be picked in afganistan. at least that is what is being said.
    there is no such thing as a winner or loser in such a war.
    its going to go on for several more generations.
    it will look like they have left but they will still be there pulling the strings.
    no idiot would give up on trillions of dollars

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 11:04 #
  18. If Tomatoes and the cucumber were the only export commodities from Iraq; would US have ever attacked Iraq?

    It has Not stopped there but is found striving hard to extend this war to Pakistan to bring the entire area in her fold?

    Regards

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 11:28 #
  19. Wouldn't you love that both of you, you brainy analysts? Well let's just put it this way: larki: you're wrong, AK, you're wrong. Matter ended.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 11:29 #
  20. MG,

    Two wrongs may not make the third--- Mr MG right

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 11:31 #
  21. larki
    Blocked

    mirza click! (on iggi from now on)

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 11:47 #
  22. MG,

    As I said earlier that if tomatoes and cucumber were the only export commodities from Iraq; US would have not landed here? Iraq is the hub of Middle East. Rightly so a green zone base is secured whiles its western approach routes are guarded by the bully on the block---Israel. Where as Afghanistan is the hub of the world.

    Do you really think that after crossing the seven seas----all the way US has come here for her leisure trip and will abandon her hegemonic mission just like that; as a bad dream?

    21st century is the declared American century for establishing of its hegemony in the world. US mission to bring the people in the targeted countries goes on--- to bring them in their fold and have them subjugated.

    Middle east and its oil resources are paying for the running costs and hundreds of war oriented factories in US and Europe are running to keep the people employed there back home.

    I hope you know that US has its central command base right in Qatar. It is named as Al Udeid Air base some 20 miles from Doha on Salva road joining Saudi Arabia with Qatar which is the biggest air base in the world. Google it out as Abu Nahal in Qatar.

    Any how ; what you think of Aljazeera???

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 12:01 #
  23. Stop the TTP if you can.

    But ---No you may not...! TTP is a sold out commodity purchased by CIA. The religious extremist ---traitors have been paid a heavy price for that.

    There is a Satan who has entered the mosque in the garb of preacher.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 12:23 #
  24. Have a high old time above, have a high old time. Afghanistan will still chuck out the invaders. and Prolapse will still come to the West, including to your beloved countries. For larki I know it's Sweden, for you, AK, wherever you feel most at home. A few years from now, you'll all be trooping back home because by then jobs will be found here alone, nowhere in your present beloved West.

    P.S. We know all about the Gulf States and al Jazeera. What do you take us for AK? A bunch of ignoramuses. That's more your line perhaps. And for heaven's sake stop being so patronising. Neither your fake humility, nor your complacency sound quite right. No comment on your TTP allusion. Said what I had to say there. As for Satan, must be a special friend of yours. I have only seen signs of that personage in the invaders making war the world over.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 12:36 #
  25. MG,
    Again you are striking the wrong cord.

    I didn't ask you to ridicule the Pakistanis living or serving abroad or who are on asylum to escape the atrocious behaviour of few ---back home Pakistan.

    I just said; to probe, name and shame the real culprits; which probably no one is willing to do in Pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 13:06 #
  26. AK, There we go. You have now produced the one expression I hadn't seen used yet on the blog. Asylum, is it? Now let me tell you something about that marvellous invention of the West. They hoped thereby to atract people of every country to their own shores so as to use them later as spies where and when needed. The hair-raising stories such people, immigrants for the most part, produced for the gleeful west
    civil servants who egged them on. I've heard the most extraordinary stories in this connection, women claiming rape where none whatsoever had occurred, men claiming imprisonement, even troture, where none had occurred, etc, but all of them having one thing is common: they all blackened their country of origin. So don't, please don't come out with such nonsense. Let me add that the asylum days are over now in Europe and US. They are growing too poor for that and now they even want "immigrants" who get in, to call them by their true name, to pay for the right to settle in the country.

    P.S. I know what you wanted. I think you're wrong. No further comment.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 13:27 #
  27. MG,
    Pakistani living abroad, serving abroad, on asylum and the then the extremist back home in Pakistan. These were the four categories that I mentioned.

    Ok you selected just one---- on asylum.

    This may be a general impression that people seek asylum because; that was an easy option to take a refuge in other country which comes under the section 51 of UNO that its signatories are bound to give the protection to the claimant under the rule.

    In light of Pakistani perception, asylum seeker may be called the opportunists or say the bounty hunters....but these are not the norms of the free world; which feel appropriate to extend a refuge and chance of leading a better life as a human being to all and I have seen the positive examples. Although after investigation of the cases hardly any claimant may be granted the status of asylum but under human right rules when about duration of 7 plus years elapses the people have the right to claim for naturalization in the host country and almost everybody is naturalised that later it can also claim the nationality. Under Pakistani and western joint rules any citizen in such circumstances may have dual nationality. After being granted nationality--- you have the full right of citizenship----no discrimination may be found; but there are some exceptions here and there of individual cases. As long as you don’t take panga; life goes smooth.

    All most all the Pakistanis in Europe have the above status but life is not that easy; it is very hard life. Unlike Pakistan; husband and wives both have to work to make their day---till they reach the retirement age or are disabled.

    Life is spent under stringent tough rules and people may afford only one hot main meal during the day. Unlike Pakistan; no rest during day and you must be lucky to get a working lunch on the go.

    Giving you this entire long story, so that you should come out of an illusions and wrong perception that you carry about the Pakistani living abroad and keep on taunting them. They may have the money because they work very hard.

    But our main theme of discussion is still pending; of naming and shaming of the extremist in Pakistan which is yet to be tackled.

    Regards

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jun 2010 23:49 #
  28. Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 0:33 #
  29. Pakistan holds American man hunting bin Laden

    An American man accused of trying to sneak into Afghanistan to hunt down and kill al Qaeda head Osama bin Laden has been detained by authorities in Pakistan.

    Gary Faulkner was caught in the Brumboret Valley near the border of Afghanistan's Nuristan province carrying a dagger, pistol and night vision goggles and was being questioned in Peshawar, Chitral police chief Jaffer Khan said.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 0:58 #
  30. Shock
    Members

    The Afghan resistance (Taliban) will never win. I am pretty sure Americans are not stupid not to know the history of Afghanistan. General McChrystal himself said that he has heard the word "graveyard of empires" like a million times, and he knows why he is in Afghanistan.

    I want to see a stable govt in Afghanistan, that can provide security to its people. Nobody wants to see the "Kaana" ruling Afghanistan anymore. In more than half the Afghanistan, there are tribal wars going on for centuries, and people think that is also a part of conflict between U.S and the Taliban.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 2:44 #
  31. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    shock

    Naturally, the Talibans are not strong enough to drive out the Allied Forces from Afghanistan. They need some third party support as they had in the Afghan-Soviet war. Their exiled king Zahir Shah himself said the similar words about Afghans which you have written, but the third party involvement caused the Soviet defeat finally.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 6:38 #
  32. Shock
    Members

    @Hussain Farooqui

    So who is the third party? and do you think that century old tribal war is also a part of American/Taliban conflict?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 7:44 #
  33. AK, Grow up and stop it please. All this pathetic talk about asylum seekers and how hard their life is and the greatness of west which, by the way, does in no way qualify as the free world. Asinine talk. west is neither free nor the world. Just rich on stolen goods. AK, the more I get to know you, the more I realise how Israeli your mindset is or has become: Squeeze out a tear from them and you can get away with anything you like. Asylum seekers are traitors to their country of origin, be it Pakistan or elsewhere. No discussion. And their countries of origin need regret them in no way. They have sold their souls to the enemy in return for a bit of material comfort. As a consequence, they get the prize of complete and final alienation. But one can't get something for nothing, can one?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 8:03 #
  34. And all of you above pontificating on Afghanistan, are you so blind that you haven't realised that it's all over for US-west in their nine-year old war. What do you mean third party? The entire non-west world is third party to this conflict. And if you mean, closer to home, the Northern Alliance, they, too, are very much part of the Resistance now. Use your heads, man, and open your eyes to the signs.

    As for Pakistan, it is its most devout duty to come to the aid of their Muslim brethren. This is the law of Jihad, proudly to be proclaimed by every Muslim country. And about a thousands times more lawful and binding than any silly SC UN resolution, etc., these institutions of slavery. And if you happen to be a great believer in those stupid "international" institutions, please to remember that even by their standards, the undeclared Afghan war is illegal and unauthorised.

    As for extremists, I say what I have repeatedly said: All terrorism in this country is State terrorism, funded by Blackwater and trained by RAW/CIA/Mossad, so as to leave no room for any doubt as to whom I mean.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 8:12 #
  35. Shock
    Members

    @Mirza Ghalib

    If it is over, then U.S should be gone. But you think of yourself as an expert on Afghanistan. When the war is over, everybody will know it. Instead of asking everybody to use their heads, you should try and use some of your own head.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 8:19 #
  36. Shock
    Members

    @Mirza

    "As for extremists, I say what I have repeatedly said: All terrorism in this country is State terrorism, funded by Blackwater and trained by RAW/CIA/Mossad, so as to leave no room for any doubt as to whom I mean. "

    Then this even a stronger reason, why we should go after these extremist and continue a war against them.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 8:23 #
  37. I do, I do, Shock, one. I'm no expert on Afghanistan. I'm no expert on anything, come to think of it, two. If you haven't seen the signs of the war coming to a close, then you'll just have to wait a bit longer until the papers carry the first clearcut news of west troop removals. Patience is a virtue. For the moment, we're all reading between the lines. And the message there is unmistakably in that direction.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 8:25 #
  38. Shock, re: your second posting. Going after extremists is all very well. We need to go after their paymasters first and foremost. And that as you can imagine, is no easy task since it also involves regime changes, etc. And peace in neighbouring Afghanistan. I personally have no doubt we'll get it done in a none too distant future.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 8:30 #
  39. Shock
    Members

    @Mirza

    What is it with you guys and wait? I mean why is it that I have to wait for twenty years, or two year. Whenever I talk to people like you, it is always something is about to happen but it never happens. You are always predicting things which never happens. You are always waiting for a revolution to happen.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 8:31 #
  40. Shock
    Members

    @Mirza Ghalib

    "....involves regime changes, etc. And peace in neighbouring Afghanistan. I personally have no doubt we'll get it done in a none too distant future. "

    Again, "too distant future". And what if their paymasters do not turn out to be what you expected, but your own people. What r u going to do then?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 8:36 #
  41. Shock, there you have me, there you have me. Nothing straightaway, always at some future point in time? True enough. That's the way it goes in such matters. Nothing one can do about it. I did say above somewhere: Patience is a virtue. And if it did turn out to be our own people, we'd have to get rid of them as well. And we would.

    Shock, there's an expression which goes: Rome wasn't built in a day. Well, neither will world conditions and conditions in Pakistan improve in a day. We are paying the price of decades and decades of negligence on our part. Overnight we can't straighten things out either. Another gem of popular wisdom to end: Slow and steady wins the race.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 8:55 #
  42. MG,
    Must you ridicule others?

    Somehow; this extremism runs in our blood and it has formed a shape of our psyche.

    I think the worse form of extremisms is that we have become intolerant and do not let others to speak or lend an ear to listen to their view point.....! Whenever found confronted with arguments and are compelled to reflect or to adopt some reconciliation -------simply as a premptive –we start hurling slanderous abuses.What an absurdity.

    I am so hurt that rather than raising some voice about the persecution of the people in Pakistan that we are discussing in case of asylum seekers or make an effort that such draconian laws are amended or abolished-------- you come up with usual personal boasting and ----start ridiculing; rather the victims.

    I am so sad that you have proved to be so insolent to call a person to whom you know not and label him as bearing an Israeli mind.

    But......Still you have not come out with; naming and shaming of the religious extremist; who are supported/ fed and equipped by CIA/Mossad and Raw and the traitors are bringing this nation down.

    Probably; where as the glitter of dollars does not allow the extermists to see beyond their greed; it has also blinded us too.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 9:38 #
  43. AK, not again, not once again, please. Forget the pathetic for once. Of course, pathos, like ridicule, is a powerful weapon. And as though you ever answer any points one ever tries to make. But forget that too.

    You came up with the asylum seekers. On my own I'd never have mentioned them at all. And now once again and for the very last time: AK, patience is a virtue. Have you no sense of timing? Now is not the time to be talking about the laws against the Qadiyani. Now is the time to stand like one man behind Pakistan in its hour of need. Later, when calm returns, we'll go back to the subject and, inshallah, get rid of some of the more flagrant examples of injustice to be found in those laws. We talked about it at some earlier point, if you have any memory at all. My personal position there hasn't changed. And so clarity reigns: Don't expect to be counted among the Muslim minorities in this country. That the Qadiyanis are not.

    Now for your naming and shaming, I've done my part. I've said what I have understood of what's going on. Not once but on several occasions. I'll do so again: the extremists in this country are not guided by any Islam. Islam strictly forbids any killing of innocents. They are all, these extremists, funded by west. Nothing to do with religion whatsoever.

    Your personal comments we'll skip, AK. Where on earth is that philosophical approach I once thought I saw in you?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 10:07 #
  44. MG,
    Thank you very much for your kind response and I duly respect your resolve in most of the things that we discussed ----because I saw someone who is up right and righteous.

    I also respect the Laws of Pakistan because I live by those laws and been taught only one thing to abide by the law of the country; where ever one lives. So I do abide by the laws.

    You must have seen that I criticise the draconian law of Pakistan a lot that they are inhuman and against the spirit of Islam; the Islam that I know. I may run a campaign about a specific law because that is my right but to abide by it till it’s not amended that is my duty and you must have seen that we have discussed a lot but you may not find me that, I was ever; for that matter I don’t expect that even any other Ahmadies too, will be found arrogant.----far from it.

    I do accept it that; Ahmadies are not accepted in Pakistan (as per law) as Muslim; so I will not be claiming it as such neither I must not embarrass you or anyone else to treat me otherwise..

    But; to be treated as a human being and claiming or agitating for my human rights is my prerogative. More over I may not forsake my rights to be called a Muslim because I know that my Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) did not scrape this right from anyone to be called as Muslim. For which I will try my best and challenge everybody and anybody to come forward and put me down and put up his argument and win against me. so let us forget and for give and Thank you very much and I stay obliged

    Take care.

    Sorry for the late response; I got entangled in other businesses

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 18:35 #
  45. Thanks AK, Glad we are friends again. If we keep falling out amongst ourselves, we haven't even got the weapon of solidarity to face the real enemies. You, too, take care and till the next time.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 21:55 #

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