@mjkk86,
Let me just say that MQM has workers in the order of 100,000s. Not everyone is going to be an angel and if they do violate the CoC of the party by participating in criminal activities they will be chucked out of the party itself, as MQM has been doing continuously - even giving the name of such people on TV and newspaper. Secondly, the people mentioned in the Dawn article have not been convicted or proven guilty yet so innocent until proven guilty.
Consider the following example:
Now if these workers do PTI unapproved activities (not everyone is going to be an angel!) with that gun then PTI would (i hope) expel them - similarly for MQM. You can only blame PTI if it patronises these people or it is in it's party policy to conduct these activities.
"Even if we do aproach(i would'nt humanity teaches me to forgive) judiciary nothing going to haappen because prosecution bring cases and you knows that government enforce law and order and they are prosecuter aswell so how can its possible to prosecute?"
Why not? the judiciary is free and independent. You can launch a case in the courts outside of Sindh or Karachi where MQM has little power and you can pursue a case. If you do not think you will succeed in Pakistan then you can always try the British courts like Imran Khan did.
"Yes for 11 months but was tempted to get into power thats wy did not refused zardari's offer."
Well PMLN had dumped PPP, which means they would not be able to have enough support in national assembly, hence the government can be dissolved for not having a majority. Forming a coalition was vital. For instance, in UK Conservative and Liberal Democracts formed a coalition for a similar reason - in india Communist Party of India and Congress formed a coalition. These coalitions are made worldwide and are a requirement of democracy. If ever PTI gets enough seats, it will have to form a coalition too. Secondly, it was to politically unite interior and urban sindh as there is historical friction between the two. This coalition has helped reduce the tension in sindh. If MQM was tempted for power then how come JUI, which has much less seats than MQM, has far more ministries than MQM?
"spreading faster? ooh realy, people living in gilgit balochistan lived andworked in karachi if they opt to vote mqm how on earth it is indicator of increament of mqm's vote bank?"
So you are suggesting that people of gilgit/balochistan saw the good work of MQM in Karachi and hence voted for MQM? Certainly, the fact that Karachi is mini-pakistan helped spread mqm's popularity and power in areas outside of Karachi. The same charm can work in NWFP and punjab for there are a lot of Pukhtuns and Punjabis in karachi too. However, you are forgetting only a certain percentage of gilgits have come to karachi (and gone back to gilgit) - and not most of the gilgit - so MQM campaign and ideology certainly had a lot to do with them getting so many votes.
"pti's candidate got 19000 votes in constituency where more than half of the votes of winning candidate were illegal now on theory which you presented pti is spreading faster than virus, right?"
Not quite. In pp-160 it was only PMLN, JI and PTI in action. The rest of the parties, most importantly PPP, was not participating. In Gilgit all of the parties, including pmln/q,ppp and pti participated and so it was the last genuine election. Secondly, in 2002 PTI's candidate had won this seat from PPP's ticket. However, in this election, PPP did not participate which must mean that PTI was able to get a lot of PPP-votes. Only when there are all the parties participating would only really be able to get measure a magnitude of PTI's support.
"finaly, i have got nothing against anyone but i just can't see people criticizing someone who has done too much for pakistan and i don't have to give you proof ask people on streets of pakistan they will tell you but make sure you ask someone who does'nt work for mqm."
Bhai mere, I am a Karachiite, I don't need to ask anyone, we have seen it all. Because we know the reality instead of propaganda, people of Karachi have been continuously supporting MQM. These bhatta, terrorism, etc. accusation are mainly from people outside Karachi who have no idea of the ground situation. For instance, we know that criminals use political parties name when collecting bhatta - yesterday alone two criminals were using the name of Nabeel Gabool, PPP's minister, and collecting bhatta on his behalf. Turned out it was just criminals using his name - someone outside Karachi might think it was Gabool himself, if news was presently in a certain way.
"i was being sarcastic in my earlier post, i replied in relation to your comment regarding people giving mqm a bad name.let suppose you are right in saying that people use mqm's name but why would people use mqm's name? why? There are so many other parties, why mqm?"
MQM challenges the status quo, MQM is an anti-feudal, pro-land reform, anti-nepotism, middle-class oriented liberal party which has reserved all seats (including president and PM sets) for its workers. MQM made MPAs those who worked sugar-cane machines, sold newspapers from a newspaper-stand, etc. The feudals of Pakistan are not going to like that and hence the military operation under the guise of Jinnah pur. Even Nelson Mandella was called terrorist, the founders of USA were called terrorists, even prophet Muhammed himself was called bewitched, insane, etc. History proves that whoever challenges the status quo of the elite will always face propaganda.
Posted 1 year ago on 07 Jul 2010 18:52
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