The American's War or The Muslim's War

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The American's War or The Muslim's War

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HollyFlame
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America has been fighting a war since the 9/11,till the beginning more than 2 million Muslims have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I will try here to explain the reason and aftermath of this war under the opinion of some man, who has been a war veteran in AJK,fighting along with our Army in the Jihadi wing.Also he has been very close to ISI and was once invited by ISI as a recruit,moreover he had been a personal secretary of man who is currently on CIA wanted(as a leader of a militant group)list.I have mentioned all above so that to prove the credibility of the source,because mentioning the names wouldn't be an intelligent thing to do.

According to the source the event of 9/11 was truly splendid work of our Muslim Mujahidin.Usama bin Ladin really started the war against America,and the men who banged the plane in twin towers were really Muslim.Usama Bin Ladin wanted to took a stance against growing influence of America in the Gulf and the Middle East.He was very close to Saudi King and also many other Muslim leaders,he also helped a lot Nawaz Sharif during the 90's elections with money and support from ISI.
After Russian-Afghan war when America left the region,the Jihadi groups were stranded.Money coming from America was instantly cut off,and the groups found themselves helpless.At that stage America was playing game; to get hold of Afghanistan politically and then take over the whole region which is so rich in minerals and Oil.
Bin Ladin closely saw that,he had deep insights of American plans.He had also enjoyed the America's favorite's position durin Russian war.But he was a Muslim.He knew that Muslims will suffer forever if America succeed in its plans.So he decided to do something himself.

Now he gathered all the Jihadi troops which were very angry towards American attitude.America was alarmed by the situation it declared him a threat to their security,and started to cease his overseas accounts.However he was continuously helped by Sauadi Arabia and other Muslim countries(Including Pakistan,The Army and ISI) to strengthen his position in Afghanistan.This was the time when all the Muslim countries had realized America as a common enemy.
Bin Ladin was very aggressive towards America,he wanted to unite all the Muslim countries to one point(i.e. Khilafat)
and pull a blow strike against America.He knew that Pakistan held strongest weaponry in Muslim world,he wanted this to be used by all Muslim countries against America.
Unfortunately America already had a hunch of it so America started interference in Pakistan's politics.Clearly this failed his attempt in reuniting the Muslim world.America was well aware that if Muslim become one again,America will never stand a chance.Now other Muslim countries also refused to start an open fight against America,they knew that America was threat but were also afraid of failing and then losing everything.

Bin Ladin knew that America will never start the fight so openly.He could not bear the growing interference in Muslim countries,he was also furious on the attitude of heads of Muslim states.

This is where he decides to take this fight alone.He was well aware that he will never be able to defeat America on its own Land,he knew that America will easily defeat them on American grounds.

Usama Bin Ladin was a great warlord and amazingly genius man.He had learn t a lot from the previous war against Russia.He had seen how easily Russia was knocked out in Afghanistan.He decided to fetch Americans into Afghanistan to fight against them.
It was the greatest decision made by any Muslim Leader in the century.At first he just pulled small attacks on American troops in the Middle east,then he bombed an American embassy(it was probably Jordan),America neglected it.He then planned attack on Pentagon and white house.The missile to white house failed but attack on Pentagon was successful.America still ignored him and continued the interference in Muslim world.
It had gone too long for Bn Ladin's plans.He finally planned attack on the Twin Towers which was so perfectly designed that American official were in stroke.They thought if they did not stop him probably Bin Ladin will destroy all of their nuclear warheads.

This time Bin Ladin was all sure to shock America.He recorded his video message of War Against America and pulled it on TV.He was sure that once this war gets started all Muslim countries will be forced to stand up against America.He significantly smashed American plans to take over the region politically and turned them into an open war against Islam and Muslims.

His plans were so effective that America had no choice but to fight openly and the best of it was that this war was not on American Grounds.Bin Ladin knew that America will never be able to get out of Afghanistan until its retreat.America's rage brought it to Afghanistan ,there Officials thought this war to be easy.They had no Idea that this war will be suicide for America,this time they miscalculated Bin Ladin's plans.

Now the success of Bin Ladin's plans is all infront of us.American troops are becoming psycho.The young Soldiers after returning Home always regret.

We can now all see how deeply American economy has been wiped.American debt has crossed 14.7 trillions of Dolors.Discontentment against the government is raising throughout the America.More and more companies are bankrupting.American government knows that it can not quit at this stage.
Because if it quit its liability throughout the world will be lost.China will stand up to take it place and America will be facing charges against humanity for its militancy.Its hold on the oil and Gulf will be last forever.In fact Bin Ladin has brought America in the mid of nowhere.

Currently all of America's allies are also falling back,America wants to shift its war towards Pakistan,and is seeking help from India.Pakistan Army is aware that whenever Pakistan stops helping America India will take its position.So Pakistan is helping both,The Taliban(secretly) and America (openly).But the favor is towards Taliban.
The future and aftermath are very clear,America stands no chance of winning in Afghanistan.Either America will quit or it will lead the whole world into World War 3.
The whole world thinks this is the war of America being fought against militants and extremist,but in fact it is a Muslim war being fought by Muslims "Muajahidin" against America and Israel to return Islam its former glory.

Posted 8 months ago on 24 Sep 2011 11:21 #
Abdul Rahman
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Abdul Rafay,

9/11 has nothing to do with Muslims. It was orchestrated and staged by US Government by controlled demolition. So your entire article is based on that assumption that happens to be flawed.

Posted 8 months ago on 24 Sep 2011 17:55 #
HollyFlame
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@Abdulr Rahman
If it were an assumption I would not have wasted my time writing this.It is based on real on ground facts.
You say that it was controlled Demolition that happened in the Twin towers.But please tell where did you get this information?
An American official with previous military records comes up on TV,saying that he is feeling guilt and shame for what has happened.Honestly this doesn't make any sense.
The videos on youtube and articles on web are telling everyone that the attack on Pentagon and the Twin towers were all staged.Why?Just because to put a cover on their security failures.In both the attacks their defense was so easily breached that CIA had no choice but to spread rumors that the attacks were made by CIA itself.
It was mainly done to prevent any other potential threat from other enemies of America.

Posted 8 months ago on 24 Sep 2011 18:36 #
Abdul Rahman
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http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/paul-craig-roberts-on-the-10th-anniversary-of-911

Posted 8 months ago on 24 Sep 2011 20:27 #
aftab arif
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In the course of research for a paper on US-Pakistan relations I came across a speech given by President Obama in March this year, titled ‘A New Strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan’. It was interesting and quite informative, if misguided and engagingly ingenuous, but the fascinating sentence that leapt from the page to my astonished eyes was the declaration that “The United States of America did not choose to fight a war in Afghanistan.”

It’s a bit like being told “Hitler didn’t cause World War Two”, or reading a newspaper headline such as “Republican Politician Tells Truth” or “Gaza is Earthly Paradise.” But the Obama assertion was even further removed from reality.

Nobody grabbed America’s collective nose and ordered it to send special forces to go to Afghanistan’s Tora Bora region on October 7, 2001, along with a few dozen British colleagues and a now-rich bunch of raggy baggy Afghan warlords who took millions of CIA dollars in enormous shrink-wrapped bundles and then sat down on their money and did nothing. The prime mover in that farce (for such it was, alas, in spite of instances of exceptionally courageous conduct by US and British soldiers; I have had a first-hand description of the operation, but alas can’t recount it because of the UK’s Official Secrets Act), was the White House. The pathetic Blair of Britain followed in his usual fashion, desperate to have bonding photographs taken alongside the grinning Bush.

It was most certainly the United States of America that chose to invade Afghanistan. And it was the United States that manipulated the United Nations Security Council into a resolution that seemed to give justification for its unwinnable war.

Two researchers in the British House of Commons have produced a paper titled ‘The Legal Basis for the Invasion of Afghanistan’. These analysts are not bleeding-heart liberals; they are intelligent, independent assessors of fact. And they wrote:

“The military campaign in Afghanistan was not specifically mandated by the UN -there was no specific Security Council Resolution authorising the invasion – but was widely (although not universally) perceived to be a legitimate form of self-defence under the UN Charter.”

The whole thing was a con-job. And dozens of nations were summoned to give it a slimy veneer of quasi-legitimacy. They were all duped – or chose to be manoeuvred – into committing blood, young lives and treasure to the preposterously named “Operation Enduring Freedom.”

While writing this piece I went to the website icasualties and saw that yet more young foreign soldiers had been killed. Boys of 19 and 20 are dying in Afghanistan for...for what? There are no names of Afghan soldiers, of course, because they don’t matter to the West – any more than the deaths of Pakistani soldiers matter to Western politicians and generals who demand that “Pakistan must do more to combat terrorism.” What they mean is that even more soldiers of the Pakistan Army and Frontier Corps should sacrifice their lives in order to make it easier for the West to claim that things are improving in its Afghan debacle.

Had there been no invasion of Afghanistan by foreign troops, Pakistan would not be in the dreadful situation in which it now finds itself. The fanatics came over the border and found sanctuary amid the lawless but culturally hospitable tribes, which at that very time were being encouraged, with signs of modest success, to join mainstream Pakistan. But the displaced militants began energetic campaigns of propaganda and hatred, and then wreaked havoc by brainwashing home-grown barbarians to develop their own brand of evil mayhem.

Pakistan had no suicide bombings until 1995 when an Egyptian citizen tried to drive a bomb-truck into his embassy in Islamabad. There were no other attacks until 2005, when there were two, by sectarian religious fanatics. But then the foreigners’ war in Afghanistan really got going, and in 2007 there were over 50 suicide attacks in Pakistan, most of which directly targeted military forces. Since then it’s been a hideous growth industry. Last year 50 bombings killed over 1100 people, and so far this year the score is 500 dead innocents. Thank you, Operation Enduring Freedom. And thank you, too, America, for the deaths of over 3,000 soldiers of the army and Frontier Corps, because none of them would have been killed were it not for your war in Afghanistan.

Kabul’s fraudulently elected government and its supporting foreign forces whine about Pakistan being unable to control movement of militants to and from Afghanistan, and certainly it is impossible to do this – as the US well knows but won’t admit. Across its own fenced and heavily patrolled border with Mexico, which costs an annual six billion dollars to maintain and has over 20,000 border agents, pass hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants every year.

Ignoring its own backyard cross-border shambles, the US demands that Pakistan commit its soldiers to invade North Waziristan to fight militants who – undoubtedly – cross the border to Afghanistan to fight there.

This operation – or, rather, long series of operations, because it would take years – would require some 60,000 soldiers, of whom a thousand would be killed in a two-year campaign. There would be at least 3,000 Pakistan Army and Frontier Corps soldiers wounded, with hundreds of them maimed for life. There would be thousands of widows, orphans and grieving parents and families.

The aim of the US and its dwindling number of international supporters in Afghanistan is not further stability in Pakistan – because a North Waziristan military operation would mightily increase the numbers of suicide and other attacks throughout the country. Their objective is to make it easier for them to claim that their war is going well, as part of President Obama’s ‘New Strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan.’

Does Pakistan think this is a price worth paying?

Currently the US is threatening to invade Pakistan rather than endorse ongoing negotiations with militants in Fata. The intention was made clear when defence secretary Panetta, referring to Pakistan’s supposed support of militant operations in Afghanistan, declared that “We’re not going to allow these types of attacks to go on.”

I’ve got news for Panetta. If he imagines the Pakistan Army will be a pushover like the Iraqis, he should think again. If US forces attempt an invasion of North Waziristan they will meet reaction not only from militants but from an army which will not accept flagrant violation of national sovereignty. I know the Pakistan Army, and I state flatly that man-for-man it will hammer any opponent, no matter if the skies are horizon-filled with US bombers.

Does America think this is a price worth paying?

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=69054&Cat=9&dt=9/23/2011

Posted 8 months ago on 24 Sep 2011 21:26 #
HollyFlame
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The whole article you linked is only based on one point ;America is fighting a war against Terrorism.
Why don't we try to take it other way.Pakistan's policy during this war was only concerned on with our own Borders.To serve the purpose ISI remained in contact with Jihadi(current Militant Groups) groups and,the army whole time served America.In Waziristan and western borders,we are told that army is fighting Taliban.But this is not true.Taliban have very good relations with ISI.The Army is mainly fighting the groups being trained by Russian and Indian agents,many times they are caught and their disguise of a Mullah is so perfect that they are often Hafiz-Quran. These spies easily brainwash the youths whose families are being killed in Drone attacks and Bombing for a revenge against Pakistan army and Pakistani people.
ISI wants America to leave the region and ,but the position of Pakistan is very critcal.So ISI keeps using Jihadi groups against America And India.

Posted 8 months ago on 25 Sep 2011 4:28 #
Hussain Farooqui
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If the alleged activities are being really carried out by ISI, then we must be proud of our ISI rather than being ashamed. Americans have killed 2 million Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan. ISI Zindabad! ISI Zindabad!

Posted 8 months ago on 25 Sep 2011 4:36 #
duago
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http://www.imranhosein.org/articles/islam-and-politics/332--pakistan-and-america-heading-for-a-serious-confrontation-over-pak-nukes.html

Pakistan and America heading for a serious confrontation over Pak-Nukes

The original goal of the invasion of Afghanistan was not to drop bombs on mud-huts, or fight ghost-terrorists like Al-Qaeda, or to fight some imaginary heavily-armed Guerrilla Groups whom America needs 130,000 troops to contain. The truth is far from it, in fact that truth has been tainted to the extent that the lie has disguised itself as the truth to fool the rest of the world.

Many players are actively participating in the all-western power's attempt to destabilize Pakistan. There is every reason for this to be the objective, since all major western powers are heavily lobbied by Pro-Zionist Power Block that control a hefty chunk of the wealth that circulates in the western world. The power of the Pro-Zionist Block in the western world has been aptly demonstrated by the U.S Housing Market crash in 2008, the Sovereign Debt of Major European countries in 2011, the staggering Gold Appreciation which is currently at $1662/Troy Oz (£1016/Troy Oz), U.S Debt Ceiling fiasco (July 2011) and Credit Rating Firms sudden rise to prominence (2011).

The Pro-Zionist Block views Pakistan as the only credible threat to the existence to the State of Israel. This threat assessment seems a bit disconnected however, since Pakistan doesn't have any direct border with Israel, nor is Pakistan in the same region as Israel. So why is it, that Pakistan is viewed by the Pro-Zionist Block as the most deadly threat to Israel's existence and what is it that Israel has or would done/do to warrant any aggression from Pakistan. The answer is, nothing .... so far! Pakistan has no direct or indirect aggression toward Israel, however, there is something that Israel will do in the future which will provoke Pakistan.

It is not only Pakistan that Israel will provoke, but also the Islamic World at large.

The oldest of the Protocol's of the Elders of Zion, clearly stipulate that the Temple Mount be constructed. It also openly demarcates the area where the alleged Temple Mount used to be, before the time of Jesus the Messiah. The area in question, is one of the three most holiest sites of the Islamic World, i.e Masjid Al-Aqsa and the Dome of Rock. Israel has previously made botched attempts at somehow degrading the structural integrity of the two buildings in order to make them irreparable and that they may be either demolished or they collapse due to weak structural foundations, weakened by the Israelis themselves.

These attempts have met with strong opposition from the Islamic World and was also the flash-point of the Second Intifada.

If we assess the current geopolitical climate, trying to understand how the play runs through the regions and countries around the Holy Land. Then the first countries to be struck off the list as useless and of no threat to Israel are saudi Arabia, Jordan, as they are bought/bribed countries that are aligned to the west and hence non-confrontational toward Israel. Today you have Iraq which is under total occupation of America and its allies, and as such, it poses a Zero Threat Level to Israel.

Iran is another Minor to Zero Threat Level country to Israel, simply because the current regime there is a fake one and has personal agendas rather Israel, as its target. The Iranian Regime considers itself as the representative of the Greater Iranian Regional Power. Their objectives are to establish influence over the Arab World and the Middle Eastern Region at large. Carving out a Major Shia Block in the Middle East which would directly challenge the Sunni Majority Islamic World. This is why it funds Hezbollah in Lebanon, Syria to buffet Israel's reach, Iraq where it is increasing its presence and influence in Guerrilla Groups running and Bahrain, where an up-rising was given imputes by a Shia majority population.

Syria is too weakened by sanctions to offer any challenge to Israel in a military confrontation. For the best part of the last two decades, Syria has nothing except rusted Soviet Era MiGs that make up the bulk of its Air Force and anyone who has even the basic knowledge on military statistics in the Middle East, knows that Israel has a formidable and powerful Air Force. Boasting the largest fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcons, outside the United States, which is 362 --> F-16 A/C/B/D/I Blocks-15/30/40/50s. Other than that, Israel has a substantial fleet of true American Air Power Pedigree, the (78) F-15 Eagle, which is an Air Superiority fighter, that boasts 105-to-0 kill ratio in Air-to-Air Combat. These lethal fighter jets in Israel's air force, puts to rest, any challenge that Syria could muster.

Egypt has a bulked out, large, but useless military with ineffective fire power against Israel, as well. This is despite Egypt having a large fleet of F-16s in its Air Force, but those fighters and the rest of the fighters in Egyptian Air Force, lack any BVR (Beyond Visual Range) Air-to-Air Missiles and Long-Range Airborne Radars to lock on the enemy. Amazingly enough the corrupt, pro-western Mubarak Government had agreed to buy all these fighters (around 200+ F-16s) from America, without any BVR Missiles and Long-Range Airborne Radars. And the reason why this is so surprising, is because Egypt's Air Force, without BVR Missiles, is as helpless as a gazelle stuck between a pack of hyenas.

Looking to the north of Israel, Turkey offers a powerful military challenge to the enemy (Israel). But one needs to understand Turkey, where majority of the population there is Urban (70% Plus) and very secular. Turkey's military, though a powerful one, is totally secular and very close to Israel when it comes to military ties. This in itself renders Turkey useless at the time when Israel would orchestrate a supposed natural collapse of the Al-Aqsa/Dome Complex. Even if Turkey reacted as a nation against Israel, its military would fizzle out before the declaration of war is made against Israel. This is because the powerful elite of Turkey comprise of Masonic-Order Members, Elite-Zionist Businessmen who're in both the military, the bureaucracy and in certain parts of the civil offices.

Now, when you look at Pakistan, it the political landscape is completely different. The picture is very distorted, very dis-figured and extremely volatile. The best thing about Pakistan is also the worse thing about Pakistan. The West, the Zionists, the Masonic-Order, have tried their level best to get a grip at the helm of Pakistan's Power. They've tried it with Pakistan's Military, with Pakistan's Political Leadership, with the People of Pakistan. However, every time they've failed, be it in the shape of Musharraf, Nawaz, Benazir and Kiyani. The Zionist-Masonic Order has failed to understand the fundamentals which govern the Pakistani Mentality, and those are ....... there are none!! The Pakistani people are as divided for politicians as they are united for them, which makes them a very unstable vote bank.

But the reason for Israel being scared or threatened by Pakistan, are many and very significant. To start off,

- Pakistan is the only Islamic Nuclear Power in the world, meaning that in a times of crisis, the Islamic World, would look to for Pakistan to help. It also has developed highly accurate and precision strike weapons in the shape of Ballistic Missiles.

- Pakistan has developed the capability to build its own battle tanks, which can be a source of un-sanctionable military hardware for the Muslim countries in times of War. The MBT-2000, also known as Al-Khalid, boasts 125mm Smooth-Bore Gun, Battle Management System for Net-Centric Warfare and light weight to fight in the desert sand.

- Pakistan is now gaining the self-sufficiency to build its own fighter-jets and that makes it more dangerous, as it expands its horizons in the region as a power. The JF-17 Thunder is the first Sino-Pak fighter to have been developed, giving Pakistan full autonomy to further develop and arm its fighter, built 100% in Pakistan. Oh, and this fighter does have BVR Missiles, unlike the F-16s of Egypt.

- Pakistan has attained transfer of technology to develop its own War-Ships for its Navy, as well as Submarines, which allows it to project power at sea. The F-22P Alamgir Class Missile Frigate is also another example of the Sino-Pak Alliance cooperation. The Missile Frigate has the ability to shoot-down incoming fighter-jets and low-flying cruise missiles. Missile Frigate can also fire upto (72) Pakistani Made Babar Cruise Missiles.

- Pakistan's primary ally is the second largest economy in the world and is poised to take over from the United States as a superpower. China recognizes the strategic importance of Pakistan both geographically and politically. Where America continues to arm hindustan (india) to the teeth, China intends to do the same and more, by arming Pakistan against hindustan and thereby blunting out America's attempt to weaken China.

- There is no Political Party in Pakistan, which can claim absolute power, like the ones in Syria, Egypt, Saudi and Jordan. From the Late Liaquat Ali Khan, to Zulfiqar Bhutto, to Zia-ul-Haq, to Benazir Bhutto, to Nawaz Sharif, to Musharraf and to Zardari. All are temporary bribed and bought politicians that have come into power in Pakistan, illegally and against the will of the silent majority in Pakistan. And all have been removed from power, before they could establish their rule on a permanent basis, like Hafiz/Bashar Assad (Syria), Talal/Abdullah Hussain (Jordan), Saddam Hussain (Iraq), Saud Family (Arabia), Mubarak (Egypt) and Qaddafi (Libya).

Hence, when the Al-Aqsa/Dome-of-Rock Complex collapses due to contrived efforts by the Zionists. The tantamount up-roar in the Islamic World would reach fever pitch and would be out for Israel's blood. Of course, the supposed Arab Up-Rising resultant political powers would realize to their misfortune, how pathetically weak their country's militaries are against Israel. Iran's supposed arsenal of Ballistic Missiles would be worthless against Israel, as the ABM Systems would knock-out any incoming Iranian Missiles. The Islamic World would also get to know that Iranian Regime is an Impostor, one who only ranted against Israel and America because it wanted the Muslim World's support for a Greater Iranian sphere of influence and power.

At particular time, it would not be an open declaration of war by Pakistan's Military, against the illegal State of Israel. However, it would be Pakistan's deadly proxy war tactics, which it has been applying for decades in Afghanistan and Kashmir, against Israel. But the difference would be that when Israel would want to hit back, Pakistan is strong enough to thwart Israel's attack (Unlike the impotent Iraqi Air Force, which couldn't do nothing in the Osirak Strike) and also hit back Israel if it wanted. So it is this sort of threat that Israel would face from Pakistan and the reason why Pakistan would be unaffected by any indian-Israeli collaboration, would simply be because China would keep india pressed firmly under its thumb.

Hence the reason to destabilize and dismember Pakistan. Hence the reason for 130,000 U.S troops, under whose shadow, the Zionists can run their CIA Drone-Strikes, Black-Ops Units, Funded Terrorists Groups and Psychological Warfare against Pakistan. And they have been trying their level best since 2008!

One might ask, why not since 2001 when the American troops landed. The answer is fairly simple, whereby establishing contacts, understanding terrain, developing tactics, assimilating in social culture of the region and developing relationships with groups that can be molded for their purpose, like Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrghizis & Azeris.

Then, finally in 2008, when the Govt changes in Islamabad ...... that is when they begin their attacks, their infiltrations, their terrorist attacks and their psychological warfare against Pakistan, the People of Pakistan and its Military Power.

This is all, an elaborate effort to destabilize Pakistan to the extent that it becomes warranted that United States should move in to secure its nukes. That is how the tactics works and that is how they are gaining the upper hand in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And in order for them to be stopped, it is imperative that Pakistanis unite under the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam, 100%.

It is also important that the People of Pakistan, start forming private groups, which run autonomously from the law-enforcement agencies, intelligence agencies, but work for the same goal as them in destroying all infiltrated terrorist groups, black-ops groups and other foreign elements. People of Pakistan should understand the concept of Anti-Body White Blood Cells, and begin to act like them in order to purge Pakistan of America's dirty war.

If Pakistan can survive another 3 years, then it would witness America disintegrate economically and Israel would have to rely heavily on its ties with hindustan and its own black ops to challenge Pakistan. Which would also send them back to the drawing boards, to rethink their strategy.

Posted 8 months ago on 25 Sep 2011 20:58 #
osakaboy
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Please must watch this video till its last second.
A powerful presentation of all problem's of America with Muslim world by Dr. Sam Richards.

Posted 8 months ago on 25 Sep 2011 21:16 #
spruce
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@duago

I appreciate your effort posting useful article.
I enjoyed reading all in detail, its informative and eye opening article indeed!

Posted 8 months ago on 25 Sep 2011 21:21 #
HollyFlame
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@Duago
We are still overlooking one Point,which is one of the most prior interest of America in Muslim states.
And this is the Geographical position of Muslim states.
Muslim countries are all located near the edges of their continents.This make them a serious threat to the Western world because about 90% of the Trade is being carried through Ships.And the interesting fact is all the profitable sea routes to Asia and Africa are controlled by Muslim countries.
For Example after building a Dock Yard on Gavadar all the trade in Gulf will be vulnerable to Pakistan Navy.
Suez Canal a link between Mediterranean sea and Arabian Gulf(through which Arabian Oil is carried to Europe) is a strategic choke point for Egypt.Similarly Ships coming from Arabian Gulf can also be blocked at Bab-el-Mandeb by Yemen.
Lombok Strait is another very important strategic point,it provides a very short route to ships crossing Java sea to Indian Ocean.This point is controlled by Indonesia. Similarly we can take Strait Of Hormuz.
In fact these are the only profitable routes for western trade in Asia.Also at the time of war with America they can act as choke points for American industry and economy by blocking all oil supply from Arabian Gulf.

Posted 8 months ago on 26 Sep 2011 9:20 #
HollyFlame
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@osakaboy
I just finished watching the video you shared,..well thanks a lot for sharing it.I am really inspired by the way he is explaining Empathy ,specially when he talks about Iraq.It is very good to here something good from some hostile Nation.

Posted 8 months ago on 26 Sep 2011 9:30 #
spruce
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Posted 8 months ago on 26 Sep 2011 10:58 #
spruce
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Posted 8 months ago on 26 Sep 2011 11:00 #
spruce
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Pakistan army chief calls special meeting of top commanders.
Pakistan's Army Chief General Ashfaq Kayani (R) listens to US Admiral Mike Mullen at the start of the NATO MC conference in Seville on Sept. 16, 2011. (Reuters)

By ZEESHAN HAIDER | REUTERS

Published: Sep 25, 2011 11:35 Updated: Sep 25, 2011 12:22

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s powerful army chief General Ashfaq Kayani on Sunday called a “special” meeting of his top commanders to discuss the security situation, the military said, as the war of words with the United States escalated.

The extraordinary meeting of the corps commanders came against the backdrop of sharp US allegations that Pakistan army’s powerful spy agency supported the Haqqani militant group Washington blames for the recent attack on its embassy and other targets in Kabul.

In a terse two-line statement, the military said the commanders would “review (the) prevailing security situation.”

Kayani, who is departing for London later tonight to address the International Institute for Strategic Studies and the Royal College of Defense Studies, is chairing the meeting.

“The meeting reflects the gravity of crisis,” retired general, turned security analyst, Talat Masood said.

“They will issue a statement to express solidarity (within the military) and to show that they all are on one page.”

The corps commanders meeting comes a day after Kayani met with US CENTCOM commander General James N. Mattis in Pakistan, but military spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said the two meetings were “unrelated.”

Contacts with Haqqanis

In an interview with CNN, Abbas acknowledged that army’s Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) maintained contacts with the Haqqani network, but said that didn’t mean it supported it.

“Any intelligence agency would like to maintain contact with whatever opposition group, whatever terrorist organization ... for some positive outcome,” he told CNN in a telephone interview.

However, he said there was a huge difference between maintaining those contacts to facilitate peace and supporting it against an ally.

In the most blunt remarks by a US official since Pakistan joined the US-led war on militancy in 2001, the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, on Thursday testified before the US Senate that the Haqqani militant network is a “veritable arm” of the ISI.

He also for the first time held Islamabad responsible for the Kabul attack, saying Pakistan provided support for that assault.

The Haqqani network is the most violent and effective faction among Taleban militants in Afghanistan.

On Saturday night, Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani rejected US allegations as a sign of American “confusion and policy disarray.”

“We strongly reject assertions of complicity with the Haqqanis or of proxy war,” Gilani said, breaking off from a speech to aid agencies and foreign diplomats on the country’s flood disaster.

Although Pakistan officially abandoned support for the Taleban after the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States in 2001 and allied itself with Washington’s “war on terror,” analysts say elements of the ISI refused to make the doctrinal shift.

Gilani’s Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar told Washington on Friday that it risked losing an ally if it kept accusing Islamabad of playing a double game in the war against militancy, and escalating a crisis in ties triggered by US forces’ killing of Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan in an unannounced raid in May.

Security analyst Masood said the sharpened rhetoric between Pakistan and the United States could lead to a “collision.”

One of the options for Pakistan, he said, could be to put pressure on Haqqani fighters to leave Pakistan to avert a confrontation.

“I think both Pakistan and the United States will step back to avoid making things worse.”

Posted 8 months ago on 26 Sep 2011 11:25 #
spruce
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Before commenting on this article we shell have to keep in mind and in view the previous history of US. 1. Iraq has WMD (Bush). Invaided Iraq, killed million of innocent Iraqi including women, children and old. Destroyed trillion of Dollars property and infrastructure. Grab all natural resources. A developed Iraq changed into backward Iraq. People of Iraq, who were living prorperious life, are now living misserale life and many of them seen to collect their food from muincpelity drums. Saddam and his regime hanged. Americans are occupying and enjoing in Iraq. But WMD are not yet found. 2. AL-Qaeda and OBL are resposible for 9/11. Invaded Afghanistan, killed hundred of thousands of innocent Afhans, including women, children and elders w/o any involment. A country which is already destroyed, their million of people refuged to Pakistan was carpet bombared, but could not kill or captured AL-Qaeda leaddership including OBL. Finally staged the drama of OBL killing but not yet want to leave Afghanistan. These are two example of the US national character. Now I shell tell you the character of their presidents. I dont know this lady (Moona Lawinsky) Bill Clinton. She was raped by Clinton. Proved and Clinton apologises. 2. Raymond Davis is a diplomate. (Obama) Proved that Raymond Davis was not Diplomate. Like wise now US is cheating the world community to attack on Pakistan and to divert the attention of their people from their shameless defeat in Afghanistan like their shamefull defeat in Vietnam.

Posted 8 months ago on 26 Sep 2011 11:27 #
scandinavian
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I have serious reservations, but every party must participate in this:

Posted 8 months ago on 26 Sep 2011 11:29 #
spruce
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Posted 8 months ago on 26 Sep 2011 11:38 #
HollyFlame
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Posted 8 months ago on 27 Sep 2011 8:28 #
HollyFlame
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Posted 8 months ago on 27 Sep 2011 8:33 #
HollyFlame
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Posted 8 months ago on 27 Sep 2011 8:34 #
HollyFlame
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Abdullah Tariq Sohail on Pak America ties

Posted 8 months ago on 27 Sep 2011 8:52 #
junaid
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interesting article by abdullah tariq.

Posted 8 months ago on 27 Sep 2011 9:12 #