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The CIA, the ISI and ‘desi liberals’

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  1. ISI should clarify it’s position to the nation as to how MI6/CIA assets like Rahman Malik along with another sellout Hussain Haqqani were allowed to operate freely providing visas and clearance to hundereds of CIA agents disguised as contractors so that they may create havoc, chaos and confusion in Pakistan including killing innocent citizens.

    Citizens of Pakistan should open their eyes and ask for withdrawal of Pakistani citizenship from all the low life creepy crawlies the likes of Rahman Malik who still refuse to accept/acknowledge presence of Black Water and CIA agents in Pakistan.

    Yousuf Nazar in his article The CIA, the ISI and ‘desi liberals’ has summed it up nicely:

    The most important fact to come out in the open is not that Raymond Davis is a CIA contractor, but that it is beyond any doubt he was a covert operations person, as has now been officially acknowledged by the US. It has astonished me that so many of our ‘desi liberals’ have been defending him, and focusing just on the academic question of immunity or the possibility that the ISI might be exploiting this.

    It is critically more important to find out what hundreds of CIA agents (according to scores of reports including those carried by top US papers) are doing in Pakistan, and why they were provided cover by an embassy whose facilities are being upgraded by a massive spending programme exceeding one billion dollars, according to official US documents.

    We are being told that the ISI was not even aware that Raymond Davis was a CIA agent. According to The New York Times, the ISI has demanded an accounting by the CIA of all its contractors working in Pakistan. Does all this represent a major turf battle between the ISI and the CIA in which Raymond Davis happens to be a pawn? Or is it that the military establishment was so embarrassed by WikiLeaks, revealing its close ties with America, that it decided to use this incident to prove to the Pakistani public that it is not them but the politicians who are American puppets?

    The ISI was most certainly aware of the drone attacks and indeed gave permission to the CIA to conduct them as I had documented in my article “Whither Sovereignty?” (The News, September 14, 2008). Permission was given by General Musharraf in January 2008 — months before the PPP came into power. As far back as September 2008, the Los Angeles Times had reported that Pakistan’s military leadership had agreed to receive US military ‘advisers’. It is no longer a secret that some, if not all, drone attacks were launched from an airstrip near Quetta. Was the ISI also not aware of this?
    Many ‘desi liberals’ had dismissed earlier reports of the presence of hundreds of CIA operatives as right-wing conspiracy theories.

    But now US officials have confirmed this to papers like the Washington Post. Moreover, they have acknowledged that Raymond Davis was a CIA agent, that he did work for Xe (formerly Blackwater), that he did live in a private home in Lahore and was so important that the CIA specifically requested the American media to not disclose his association with the agency and his background. It is therefore, no longer rational, or in fact possible, to dismiss questions about the presence, motives, activities and scale of the operations of CIA agents in Pakistan.

    ‘Desi liberals’ would do well to reflect upon the perception that in their zeal to fight extremism, they have by default, intent or design become defenders of the most blatant and biggest CIA ‘covert’ operation in the history of Pakistan — or, for that matter, one of the biggest in the CIA’s history.

    But that is a secondary issue. The real issue is that either the ISI allowed the CIA to send hundreds of agents, and is pretending ignorance or innocence now that the beans have been spilled, or it didn’t know this in the first place — which means that questions should be asked about the agency’s job performance.

    Published in The Express Tribune, March 1st, 2011.
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/125341/the-cia-the-isi-and-desi-liberals/

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Mar 2011 9:38 #
  2. toamin
    member

    Yes, agreed with Yusuf Nazar, it is our local leadership that has failed to protect interests of Pakistan, rest are all just symptoms-

    One can not believe that ISI had been not aware of these things, journalists especially Shereen Mazari pointed out these activities repeatedly.

    Then we have people like Haqqani & Rahman Malik who would go to any limit to please their bosses because they don't want to lose these lucrative jobs-

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Mar 2011 10:26 #
  3. scandinavian
    Member

    I wouldn't blame the ISI. Go further to the top i.e. the army. They have a habit of choosing corrupt leadership and making deals just to show the awam that after all the civilian leadership is far more corrupt than the army. Shame on the army generals and shame all corrupt politicians.

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Mar 2011 11:01 #
  4. Agreed Scandinavian,
    Still ISI has to clarify it's position on how scum like Rehman Malik managed to import CIA agents? They should have known.

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Mar 2011 15:13 #
  5. @S.E.Mirza
    "Still ISI has to clarify it's position on how scum like Rehman Malik managed to import CIA agents? They should have known."

    And there is no doubt they DID! Remember this issue of issuing visas came up during Kerry-Lugar and one of the conditions was that people be allowed in without any checks. When Army/ISI accepted Kerry-Lugar money, they knew this was a part of the deal. They had no objection to it. There only objection was to civilian control of ISI.

    ON Edit:
    Let's not also forget ISI is/has been working hand in hand with CIA so aren't CIA agents their partners in crime? So how could ISI have any issues with them??

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Mar 2011 15:35 #
  6. zenith
    Member

    @ S.E Mirza

    Subhaan Allah. So for you characters like Rehman Malik are the axis of all evil. Don't be offended, but are you a simpleton or do you pretend to be one?

    What power does Rehman Malik have, remember how the decision to put ISI under the interior ministry was revoked within hours.

    We can never comprehend the level of cooperation between the ISI and CIA. Drones, air bases, CIA stations, marine presence and of course Raymond Davissss.

    The kind of access CIA has today, would it possible without the complicity of an agency that literally owns Pakistan?

    All this talk of ISI and CIA parting ways is just laughable. After all they fought a jihad together and are old jehadis.

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Mar 2011 15:38 #
  7. Agreed and nota highlighted Kerry-Lugar bill as an open license to import agents is also true. However, Rehman Malik's role in all this topi drama cannot be ignored.

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Mar 2011 16:15 #
  8. awazejamhoor
    Member

    desi liberals. Reminds me of Macaulay's children.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2011 16:06 #
  9. jabalultariq
    Member

    We all need to remember Presseler Ammendment ; how US discarded PK realtionship like a used toilet paper but we still think US has strategic intetrests with PK. I have personally winessed senior (I mean very senior) govt officials waging their tails infront of a lowly clerk from USAID.....we need to be patriotic , but why arent we ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2011 19:12 #
  10. What about Desi Neo-cons who presented TTP as holy warriors with a league of their own. Why attack desi liberals with lines borrowed from zionists i.e. liberal facists.

    Orya Maqbool Jan is so retarded that he labels liberal facists knowingly that Jonah Goldberg a staunch zionist wrote a book called liberal facists during Bush era, refering to all liberals who were anti Iraq war.

    Now that chickens are coming home to roost from Afghan "Jihad" all of sudden it's the fault of desi liberals.

    It takes two to tango!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2011 19:28 #

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