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The Pukhtun prespective

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  1. Wahid Doyum

    Great article by Farhat Taj on the true Pukhtun perspective. This viewpoint is rarely heard in Pakistan because of ISI propaganda that Taliban = Pukhtuns.

    Typical reaction of anti-Pukhtun and pro-taliban groups is to label any Pukhtun intellectual who does not buy into their propaganda is to label them as agents of foreign countries, but thankfully I see everyday that more and more Pukhtuns are waking up the evil agenda of Pakistani establishment. The elections in Sawat are more proof of this.

    http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20101\30\story_30-1-2010_pg3_5

    Dangerous abyss of perceptions —Farhat Taj

    The Pakistan Army is engaged in ‘friendly fire’ with the jihadi gangs in which the civilians, poor soldiers of the security forces, especially FC soldiers, policemen and foot soldiers of the Taliban are killed. This, according to the Pakhtun perception, is in line with the scheme of things of the military-militant leadership

    I have been writing in these pages that there is a remarkable difference in the perceptions of the people of Pakhtunkhwa, including FATA, and the majority of people in the rest of Pakistan with regard to what drives terrorism in our country. For the latter, it is the US, India and Israel rocking our country with terrorism on the pretext that no Muslim can ever kill fellow Muslims. Whereas the former believe that fellow Muslims in the Pakistani religious-political parties, jihadi organisations, retired and in service generals of the Pakistan army (the real lords of our country), and media Taliban (pro-Taliban journalists and analysts) have created a complex mixture of fanatical, sectarian, anti-civilisation and anti-humanity state of mind among fellow Pakistanis, who are now thoroughly engaged in the genocide of the Pakhtun and replacing the Pakhtun culture with the seventh century Arab tribal culture. The US, India and Israel may or may not be fishing in troubled waters, but they are certainly not running the deadly show on the Pakhtun lands in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Moreover, the international jihadi forces are fully in alliance with the Pakistani jihadis. The Pakistan Army is engaged in ‘friendly fire’ with the jihadi gangs in which the civilians, poor soldiers of the security forces, especially FC soldiers, policemen and foot soldiers of the Taliban are being killed. This, according to the Pakhtun perception, is in line with the scheme of things of the military-militant leadership in terms of ‘strategic depth’ in Afghanistan.

    In a conference held in Peshawar on December 12-13, 2009, this issue of the difference of perceptions was thoroughly discussed. The conference, named ‘Terrorism: The Ways Out’ was attended by political parties and civil society organisations of Pakhtunkhwa and FATA that actively oppose terrorism: Awami National Party, Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party, Pakistan People’s Party Parliamentarians, Pakistan People’s Party-Sherpao, National Party and Awami Party Pakistan. Civil society included organisations under the banner of Amn Tehrik (Peace Movement), businessmen, doctors, lawyers, teachers, students, labourers and intellectuals.

    The conference concluded the following in terms of the difference in perceptions. One of its reasons is perfectly natural. There is a Pashto proverb that burns are felt where there is fire. Most of the fire of terrorism is burning in the Pakhtun lands. The second reason is the policy of the government. In pursuit of strategic depth in Afghanistan, the government of dictator Musharraf allowed massive media coverage to the people who were supporting terrorism. This includes some retired generals and a few journalists and analysts. As a result, those living in other parts of the country or those who were not directly affected by terrorism were systematically indoctrinated with pro-terrorism ideas for about eight years. This nurtured a social environment that is tolerant to those committing terrorism. Those living in the war zone are eyewitnesses to all that is happening there and they have their own perceptions of this war.

    The conference noted with great concern that it continues to be propagated in the media, though in an implied manner, that terrorism is the continuation of jihad against the Soviet Union. The fact is that almost all of those who were fighting against the Soviets have become an active part of the political canvas of Afghanistan in order to bring stability to the democratic process in that country. They are the foremost opponents of terrorism. They include Professor Mujaddidi, Burhan-ud-Din Rabbani, Pir Gilani, Abdul Rasool Siaf, Abdul Rasheed Dostam and the party of late Ahmed Shah Masood. Only two people of the anti-Soviet campaigns are now involved in terrorism, i.e. Gulbadin Hikmatyar and Jalal-ud-Din Haqqani. Gulbadin’s party is almost non-existent. Only one of his commanders, Kashmir Khan, and a few friends are supporting him. Haqqani had already joined the Taliban and is based in North Waziristan, where he commands an entire terror secretariat.

    Moreover, none of the Pakistani terrorist organisations like Hizbul Mujahideen, Harkatul Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Muhamamd, Sipah-e-Sahaba, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Lashkar-e-Islam, Ansar-ul-Islam, Amar-bil-Maroof, Tahreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi and Tahreek-e-Taliban had participated in the anti-Soviet campaign. Despite this, it was propagated over the media that these terrorists were part of the anti-Soviet campaign and they have been living in the tribal areas for thirty years where they had married the local women and thus became part and parcel of the tribal society. The fact is that in the tribal areas, a foreigner is never called a native even if he had taken asylum and lived there for centuries. The Mehsud tribe of South Waziristan did not allow even a single non-local to stay in their area during this whole period.

    The conference participants observed that people of the war-affected areas think that the army and the Taliban are friends, not enemies. These people have been persistently asking the question why the military failed to target the core leadership of the militants in all the 17 military operations in FATA? It is true that during the military operations the top as well as the second and the third cadre leadership were neither killed nor wounded nor captured. Moreover, the news of the killing of many terrorist leaders was broadcast several times over the media but they are still alive. Commanders like Ibn-e-Amin, Shah Duran and Ikram-ud-Din are the prime examples of such false propaganda.

    In Swat, the news that Fazlullah is under siege was broadcast three times by the ISPR but in the same month it was propagated through the media that he had escaped to Afghanistan. Fazlullah’s close associates Muslim Khan, Haroon and Mahmood were arrested by the military but six months have passed and nobody knows what happened to them.

    In the past, Sufi Muhammad was arrested and then released in a so-called peace deal, which was imposed upon the provincial political leadership at gunpoint. The valiant police of the Pakhtunkhwa province once arrested 28 terrorists with suicide jackets and these terrorists were taken away by the intelligence agencies for further investigation. These people were kept somewhere for a few months. They were released the day when General Pervez Musharraf imposed the Emergency. Only a few words came to us about their release. It is due to these reasons that the people of the war-affected areas are neither satisfied with the military operations nor do they entertain false hopes.

    The issue of drone attacks is the most important one. If the people of the war-affected areas are satisfied with any counter-militancy strategy, it is the drone attacks. According to the people of Waziristan, drones have never killed any civilian. Some people in Waziristan even compare the drones with ababils (the holy swallows sent by God to avenge Abraha, the invader of the Khana Kaaba). A component of the Pakistani media, some retired generals, a few journalists/analysts and pro-Taliban political parties never stop their baseless propaganda against drone attacks.

    I would request all fellow Pakistanis to urgently address these issues. Any more silence on this matter could be dangerous for the integrity of Pakistan. The generals, militant groups, religious-political parties and a section of our mainstream media, especially Urdu media, are pushing the entire Pakhtunkhwa towards becoming another Bangladesh. If this happened, those fellow Pakistanis who otherwise may not agree with the military, militants and the media Taliban, but chose to remain silent, would also be responsible for another break up of Pakistan.

    Posted 4 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 0:40 #
  2. Salam

    I thought West wanted to make peace now, aren't you going to support hollcrook and mcchrystal?

    Posted 4 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 3:44 #
  3. Wahid Doyum

    So are you saying that the West is now aligned with PTI and JI when asking for peace?

    Does that mean now the West and the right wing groups of Pakistan are in fact of the same mind in promoting their taliban boys?

    Posted 4 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 4:35 #
  4. Salam

    Tell me, why is the West now aligning with the so called right wing?

    Posted 4 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 4:38 #
  5. Wahid Doyum

    A better question is why is the right wing ALWAYS allied with the West that try to sell to others as the enemy? Try to see the dirty game of the right wing, who have been the most funded by the West.

    Posted 4 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 4:41 #
  6. Salam

    Most funded by the west are the tyrant secular rulers imposed on Muslims like mushy or mubarak.

    Now suddenly West is interested in making peace with the people they had been fighting for past so many years.

    Posted 4 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 4:45 #
  7. Wahid Doyum

    "Now suddenly West is interested in making peace with the people they had been fighting for past so many years. "

    Doesn't that clue you in that the right wing groups have always been in the West's pocket from day one?

    It is obvious and clear to those who can see that the taliban, a creation of the West's mercenaries the ISI, are serving their masters in trying to eradicate the people based movement of Pukhtuns and Balochs.

    Posted 4 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 4:48 #
  8. Wahid Doyum

    "Hizbul Mujahideen, Harkatul Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Muhamamd, Sipah-e-Sahaba, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Lashkar-e-Islam, Ansar-ul-Islam, Amar-bil-Maroof, Tahreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi and Tahreek-e-Taliban"

    All these groups have either been created by the ISI or associated with them at one time or another, so the idea of first fighting them to get some US dollars and then to promote the idea of negotiation is a great ISI plan.

    Posted 4 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 4:57 #
  9. Salam

    If they were in pocket of the west then why were you so much excited about military operations on pushtoon civilians that destroyed the whole region?

    Posted 4 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 5:03 #
  10. crocodile

    "Taliban attacks funded by pakistani army kill indiscriminately."

    huh? isn't this what you've said before

    "who are running away at top speed from the Pakistan army in Waziristan" and "uzbek terror leader preaching against pak in Waziristan"

    which one is it-first one or the second one?

    Confusion?

    ps.Which perspective it represents?

    ps1.In all those groups mentioned in last pots, you've missed a lot of others in there buddy.....MQM,ANP who are indeed proven creations of ISI and their recent collaboration with ISI and Army...and not to mention Musharraf's selling out of a nation on a side note and these groups collaborating with ISI in murdering of Pashtuns civilians....?

    The list of all groups is soo huge that it needs a whole institute to study....and RAW maybe one of such an institute to study it.But they need Bhangis,kalay angraiz and Paindas to make it even more easier for them.Wont you agree?

    ps2.Itna sunnata kiyon hey bhai?

    Posted 4 years ago on 31 Jan 2010 5:11 #
  11. Wahid Doyum

    @Salam
    "If they were in pocket of the west then why were you so much excited about military operations on pushtoon civilians that destroyed the whole region? "
    Not all are in the pocket of the west. Only jihadist and bought elements in officer corps and ISI. The rest, including the jawans, mostly pukhtus are being used as cannon fodder for great game.

    Swat operation was an actual operation in most cases, as local people were fed up and were going to expose army double games and also because Mullah Radio overstepped his ISI orders.

    Posted 4 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 16:35 #
  12. Wahid Doyum

    crocodile, you think ANP was created by ISI? Haha, you must a young child with little knowledge of history. ANP is the continuation of the khudai khidmatgars of Bacha Khan, who until his death remained anti **** establishment and pro-pukhtuns which is why there was so much ISI propaganda against him calling him communist and separatist.

    And MQM is not my concern, as they indeed are the creation of Pakistani establishment under Zia and also killers of pukhtuns.

    Everything the pak establishment has created, from MQM to taliban have turned out of pukhtuns biggest enemies. I commend any poor jawan fighting alongside our lashkars in swat and elsewhere, but condemn the officers and double agents of ISI who are on the other side.

    Posted 4 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 16:39 #
  13. crocodile

    You are funny and brainwashed if you think like that...!
    For few rupees you are selling your conscience!!!

    thats what I've figured out from your post,Only if you are a 'pakistani'

    :)

    Posted 4 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 20:17 #
  14. Gujjar Talwar

    However their history be different, ANP and MQM are very similar. They both exploit bottomless ethno-chauvinism for their survival, hurt their communities more than they help, and are stuck in myopic confines of their own choosing. They need to get to some higher grounds to get anywhere.

    Posted 4 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 20:42 #
  15. Wahid Doyum

    @crocodile:
    I think you're the most aware of for how many dollars you joined CIA/ISI sponsored jihad against won people.

    @gujjartalwar:
    "However their history be different, ANP and MQM are very similar. They both exploit bottomless ethno-chauvinism for their survival, hurt their communities more than they help, and are stuck in myopic confines of their own choosing. They need to get to some higher grounds to get anywhere. "

    So very false. It is Pakistani establishment and it's nazariay pakistan that has failed since at least 1971, where killing balochs and pukhtuns in the name of the great game and strategic depth like failed policies has given rise to home grown taliban movement that are still treated as assets of the agencies.

    I can't and don't want to speak to MQM, as it is a creation of Pakistani establishment, but the non-violent struggle of khudai khidmatgar and return to pukhtun values is at the core of ANP, which is so hated by right wing pakistani establishment as they feel threatened by pukhtuns waking up and seeing how we are being used for "games" by pindi based colonists.

    The events of the past decades provide ample proof of this.

    Posted 4 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 21:31 #
  16. Gujjar Talwar

    @Wahid Doyum

    However you glorify ANP mission, it relegates you to thinking that Rawalpindi is out of your reach. With the right vision and strategy, you should be talking of leading those (perceived) "games" that you are whining about.

    Posted 4 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 23:30 #
  17. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI

    It will be total foolishness to hope that present investors of ethnocentrism such as PPP,MQM,and ANP, will do any thing to save life of people, infact they will encourage killing on the basis of ethnities to make themselves more powerful and more fat for example at present when in Karachi Shia are killing to Sunni Pukhtoons and these Ethnic parties could not do any thing, these parties are showing as they are very active and could control the situation while infact for example Shia are using the cover of MQM but are not under the control of MQM.

    Posted 4 years ago on 04 Feb 2010 7:49 #
  18. bravogameover

    @M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI & Others
    Karachi in under ENCROACHMNET by whom only Karachites know

    Banaras is on ENCROACHED Land.
    manghopir is on ENCROACHED Land.
    sohrab Gooth and Whole Super highway is on ENCROACHED Land.
    Pahar Gung and all relative area is on ENCROACHED Land.
    pehelwan gooth is on ENCROACHED Land.
    Qaidabad is on ENCROACHED Land.
    Terroists have Encroahed the Thousands of Acres land @ Nothernbypass and @ Korangi.
    Sheeri Jinnah Colony is on Encroached land.

    Every citizen of Karachi wants " ENCROCHMENT FREE KARACHI "
    then atleast 90% of all types of CRIMES will be REDUCED, as well as the ill legal influx will be stoped.

    It is STATE's responsibility to " FREE KARACHI FROM ALL ENCROACHMENTS " whatever the ENCROACHMENTS R 10 years,20 Years,30 years,40 years , 50 years OLD B/C
    " ENCROACHMENT is ENCROACHMENT ", whatever the " ENCRACHMENT " or THE PEOPLE / ENCROACHERS R Mohajirs/Urdu Speakers, Pukhtoons,Punjabi xyz , Whatever the " ENCROACHERS " R from MQM ,ANP, PPP XYZ.

    If STATE does not ACT/KICK OUT the " ENCROACHERS " from the CITY thenthe " PEOPLE " will " KICK OUT " all the " ENCROACHERS/ PEOPLE " , Who R living on Encroached Lands.

    Now TERRORISTS R Encroaching the common people's flats,Apartments,Baglows,Factories,Private people's land and Thousands of Acres of GOVT. land too.It becomes a profitable business that get " ARMED " people and ENCROACH " the land and SOLD to people or RENTING the ENCROACHED LAND by NAMING " Ghariboon Ki Basti HAi " and deliberately using " ETHNIC color to continue this business.

    Every one knows " IF all the ENCROACHMENTS/ People / ENCROACHERS will be KICKED OUT from the CITY then except MQM all parties like ANP , PPP , JI ,PTI,PNL N and other
    will be FINISHED COMPLETELY.

    I do not Y , If 3 Million PUNJABI " ENCROACHES " the LANDS OF PESHAWAR " and say " Peshawar is the Biggest CITY of PUNJABIS" then What will be the REACTION of PESHAWARI's.

    means ENCROACHMENTS R believed just as ENCROACHMENTS / ENCROACHERS regardless of Ethinic RACE or Religion BUT at KARACHi all these Ones very well KNOW that :

    " QABZA karo AUr MQM ko JHUKAOO , B/c ANP, PPP,JI get VOTES from these ENCROACHERS/QABZA GROUP's People , just b/c of VOTES they " BACK" the ENCROACHMENTS" means these parties R backing the enemies of city ot milions of people.

    All these Encroachments / QABZA R the Dens,homes,thikanaas of all Talibans,Criminals,kidnappers,Dacoits.

    ALLAH HAQ ko Kamiab ker.

    Posted 4 years ago on 04 Feb 2010 19:01 #
  19. bravogameover

    @Wahid Doyum
    @M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    @gujjartalwar

    How can Establsihment needed MQM or founding MQM when there
    were 3 Allies of Zia ul haq as JI,JUI,JUP had full VOTING suport in Karachi and Hyderabad plus these parties were also in Zia's GOVT.

    Karachi & hyderabad always REJECTED Ayyub Khan and his followers like Yahya Khan and Bhutto.

    B/c Karachi people supported FATIMA JINNAH instead of AYYUB KHAN so Karachi paid the price just after election when Gohar Ayyub Khan son of Ayyub Khan started a winning rally and what he & other " BAHADUR PUKHTOON " did in Laloo Khait , Nazim Abad to Mohajirs women, Children , Mohajir's Homes and thier Busineesss's is AN OPEN SECRET.There R other examples also like in 1986 an attack was done on MQM rally which was going to hyderabad,in 1988 Qasba Aligarh 250 died ther R so many.( If One is not BLIND).

    Now MQM founded , But Y MQM founded ?

    1 .QUOTA SYTSEM ( UNISLAMIC LAW said by Federal Shariat Court )but supported by all Parties like ANP,JI ,JUI,PML N,PPP till now except MQM b/c MERIT must be above anything.I know the QUOTA was implmented for 10 yrs and now it is 40 yrs and this law will not be demolished til " QAYAMAT " too.

    2 . 1972 Language riots b/c RACIST Bhutto "threw " 1 single Language bill on Mohajirs by making SINDHI language will be the alone language in the country , JI ,JUI & other did nothing but whe people protested and after 100 killings of Mohajirs by POLICE and others , GOVT. acknowledged that URDU and SINDHI both wil be the provincial languages.

    well there R many issues of Mohajirs b/c MQM had to be founded.

    Lassaniat / Provincialism

    Quota System, NFC Awarding Principle or whole 1973 Constituion is the MOTHER OF ETHNO - PROVINCIALISM.

    By which " PUNJAB "grabbed the MERIT or KILLED the mERIT completely by " MASS POPULATION " ( mass population is not a proud achievemet).

    NFC is again awared by the principles of " CHILD GENERATION" not on " REVENUE GENERATION " and stil the CHILD GENERATION principle rule on us.

    Provincial Autonomy was deliberately delayed b/c of ASHRAFIA of Pakistan & BHUTTO was their's AGENT so still it is dream since 1940 and will be till " QAYAMAT ".

    Water stealing by Punjab is also fuel the Provincia ism.

    MQM was the one which REDUCED all the SECTARIANISM which came KArachi from NWFP, BALOCHISTYAN and PUNJAB and still MQM is key tool to connect harmony b/w al SECTS of Islam in urban Sindh.

    I M afraid ANP and some criminal ( who R unfortunately Pukhtoons ) R encroaching thousands of Acres of precious land , Encroaching flats , Baglows xyz

    And sayinf " Yeh Hamara HAQ hai "

    they must know " they are being USED by PPP but in the end they will be highest looser b/c of what they R doing , yes MQM does some wrong things too , but ONE MUST first see the ACTION of ANP and some wrong Pukhtoons then surley MQM or any person who belives in ethnicity do wrong things too.

    QABZA khtam hoga pooray shaher say , tub he yeh Shaeher chalyga ,VARNA NAHIN.

    B/C WRONG IS WRONG.

    Posted 4 years ago on 04 Feb 2010 19:41 #
  20. Wahid Doyum

    I am not interested in this thread turning into another MQM thread, as that is not my main concern.

    The center of gravity of the terror campaign against Pukhtuns lies inside GHQ.

    Posted 4 years ago on 04 Feb 2010 21:04 #
  21. aftab

    This is just propaganda against army and nothing else,daily times which is owned by Salman Taseer who is MI6 agent.

    Posted 4 years ago on 04 Feb 2010 21:22 #
  22. Wahid Doyum

    And you must be an ISI agent sent to fool our people.

    Posted 4 years ago on 06 Feb 2010 4:05 #
  23. aftab

    And you are A RAW agent who spreads propaganda against OUR army.

    Posted 4 years ago on 06 Feb 2010 9:05 #
  24. Wahid Doyum

    ISI is the scum of this world, hated equally by everyone, from Afghans, to Taliban to nationalist people as well. Think about why.

    Posted 4 years ago on 06 Feb 2010 21:34 #

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