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The State of a Believer in times of Extreme Difficulty.

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  1. NNL
    member

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    When Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal was asked about Tawakkul he said :
    “It is abandoning dependence on Allah’s creation.”

    “It was said to him: “Then what is the need for it?”

    He replied: “It is implicit in the words of Ibrahim (alayhis salam ) when he was placed in the mangonel , then cast into the fire ,upon which Jibreel (alayhis salam) came to him and said: “Do you have any need?”

    He replied: “Not from you.”

    Jibreel (alayhis salam) said: “Ask Him from whom you have need.”

    He said: “Whichever of the two things is preferable to Him is preferable to me.”

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Oct 2010 23:21 #

  2. NNL
    member

    Hopefully the Whiners will learn something !!!!
    and stop b-itching about their sad state of lives.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Oct 2010 23:22 #

  3. NNL
    member

    Point of Benefit from the Tafseer of Al-Imaam al-Faqeeh Muhammad ibn Uthaymeen Raheemahullaah

    He (may Allaah have mercy on him) said :

    " When you see that your time is passing by, and your age is going : and you are not in a schedule of something beneficial, nor praiseworthy, and you dont see the blessings in the time you spend…

    Then be cautioned ! [be cautioned] That the Word of Allaah has caught you, [and that is His statement] :

    وَاصْبِرْ نَفْسَكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ رَبَّهُم بِالْغَدَاةِ وَالْعَشِيِّ يُرِيدُونَ وَجْهَهُ وَلَا تَعْدُ عَيْنَاكَ عَنْهُمْ تُرِيدُ زِينَةَ
    ﴾الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَلَا تُطِعْ مَنْ أَغْفَلْنَا قَلْبَهُ عَن ذِكْرِنَا وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاهُ وَكَانَ أَمْرُهُ فُرُطًا ﴿٢٨

    "and obey not him whose heart We have made heedless of Our Remembrance, one who follows his own lusts and whose affair (deeds) has been lost." [Kahf : 28]

    Meaning :

    His affairs have been dispersed and were lost : there is no blessing [of goodness] in him.

    And it should be know that some people might be remembering Allaah, but he remembers Him with a heedless heart :

    AND THEREFORE IT CAN BE BARELY OF BENEFIT.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Oct 2010 23:24 #

  4. SufiSoul
    Member

    NNL,
    Among the common people only AWLIYA's state in any difficulty would be like,

    Wala Khaufon Alaihum Wa La Hum Yahzanoon...

    Every other common man would cry,depressed,will call people to get him out and things like that..
    Wa La Khaufon Alaihim Wa La Hum Yahzanoon in this and after life is only related with special People AWLIYA.Remaining's condition in this and after life would be in very Missery Unless ALLAH decided him for some one to get it easy.....

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Oct 2010 23:35 #

  5. semirza
    Moderator

    Very well said Sufi Soul.

    Tum mayrey pa'as hotey ho goeiyah
    Jub koi doosra naheen hota!

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Oct 2010 23:40 #

  6. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    NNL, JK for your reminder.We all need that.

    Sufi Soul,

    The Quran talks about Auliyah and their status. We know it but most people elevate the later day so called Auliyahs to rank that they do not deserve and then Shirk starts. It is the proliferation of later day Auliyas that has caused a big fitna and Ummah is suffering. We have Dargahs of Auliyahs practically at every street corner.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Oct 2010 4:25 #

  7. toamin
    member

    adding further as food for thought for those who keep their intellect/logic SUPREME-

    Allah swt Says: "O you who believe, seek help in patience and as-salat. Truly, Allah is with as-sabirin (the patient ones)"
    [TMQ Al-Baqara-153]

    --those muslims who put their logic/intellect at supreme should think about above, is that 'logical'?

    Allah swt Says: "Do you think that you will enter paradise without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with sever poverty and ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who believe along with him said, "when will come the help of Allah? Yes certainly the help of Allah is near"
    [TMQ Al-Baqarah-214]

    --again same question to logicians, how does help of Allah fit into their logic?

    "And certainly, we shall test you with something of fear, hunger, loss of wealth, lives and fruits, but give glad tidings to as-sabirin (the patient ones)"
    [TMQ AL-Baqarah 155-157]

    --again is remaining 'patient' logical? is there something 'test'?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Oct 2010 5:43 #

  8. LifeH2O
    Member

    What if someone 'believes' to be correct being a non-Muslim?

    @NNL what is b-itching?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Oct 2010 18:41 #

  9. NNL
    member

    What if someone 'believes' to be correct being a non-Muslim?

    he has a permanent dwelling in Hellfire.

    That is the Word of Allah Azza Wa Jal.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Oct 2010 3:53 #

  10. LifeH2O
    Member

    It is not their fault, you say that believe is superior to logic. If they believe, they are doing right, there is no way to convince them.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Oct 2010 11:30 #

  11. NNL
    member

    Not Believing Allah Azza Wa Jal is a thing which defies logic.

    The entire world in which that person lives in and including his own body is a testament to the fact that there is a Creator, Sustainer and Delegator.

    It is his job to know so.

    A Hadith of Rasool Allah Sallaho Alayhi Wa Ala Alayhi Wa Sallam
    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah says, ‘The son of Adam denied Me and he had no right to do so. And he reviled Me and he had no right to do so. As for his denying Me, it is his saying: He will not remake me as He made me at first - and the initial creation [of him] is no easier for Me than remaking him. As for his reviling Me, it is his saying: Allaah has taken to Himself a son, while I am the One, the Everlasting Refuge. I begot not nor was I begotten, and there is none comparable to Me.’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4974.

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, no one of this nation, Jew or Christian, hears of me then dies without having believed in that with which I was sent, but he will be one of the people of the Fire.” Narrated by Muslim, 153.

    So how can their morals be good when they are so ill-mannered towards Allaah, even though Allaah has given them hearing and sight, and has made everything easy for them, and has sent His Messengers to them and revealed His Books to them, and bestowed His blessings upon them, so it is His right that they should thank Him and not be ungrateful to Him or disbelieve in Him. If they do not do that then they deserve His punishment and wrath. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “and your Lord treats no one with injustice”

    [al-Kahf 18:49]

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Oct 2010 6:04 #

  12. LifeH2O
    Member

    Not Believing Allah Azza Wa Jal is a thing which defies logic.

    The entire world in which that person lives in and including his own body is a testament to the fact that there is a Creator, Sustainer and Delegator.

    It is his job to know so.

    They have reasons to 'believe' on non-existence of God, they explain how everything is created itself. Why one should destroy/reject his own belief and accept yours?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Oct 2010 8:26 #

  13. NNL
    member

    They have reasons to 'believe' on non-existence of God, they explain how everything is created itself. Why one should destroy/reject his own belief and accept yours?

    Honestly i couldnt care less if he doesnt. I seriously dont give a rat's a-s-s regarding what happens to him in the Day Of Judgement.

    He wants to live in a fantasy world that is all good for him. He believes that he has got answers for everything good for him.

    I m least bothered or interested. He asked i told him. He wants to believe things for which he has no proof but they are his own brain fa-rts therefore he wants to believe them his choice. I will just remind him of Allah Azza Wa Jal and move on.

    Period.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Oct 2010 11:11 #

  14. LifeH2O
    Member

    Why one should destroy/reject his own belief and accept yours?

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Oct 2010 11:28 #

  15. NNL
    member

    He doesnt have to my friend but he doesnt have the right to call it the Eternal Truth cos we know the Eternal Truth is known to us.

    He wants to live in a fantasy world that is all good for him. He believes that he has got answers for everything good for him.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Oct 2010 18:56 #

  16. LifeH2O
    Member

    "He doesnt have to my friend but he doesnt have the right to call it the Eternal Truth cos we know the Eternal Truth is known to us.
    He wants to live in a fantasy world that is all good for him. He believes that he has got answers for everything good for him."
    He will say the above line for you, for him that 'he' is you.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Oct 2010 5:25 #

  17. NNL
    member

    He will say the above line for you, for him that 'he' is you.

    But i have proof from the Creator Himself but 'he' doesnt.

    we can talk in polemics for life time but you still wouldnt be able prove that 'he' is on the right path.

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Oct 2010 6:37 #

  18. LifeH2O
    Member

    Ok, what is the right way to make a non-muslim accept Islam? Convince them? Or just tell them the 'truth' without allowing them to ask or debate on it? Will you use 'logic' to 'prove' that you are right (you do have a 'proof' that you are right)? Or it is their responsibility to believe on what you believe?

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Oct 2010 7:11 #

  19. NNL
    member

    what is the right way to make a non-muslim accept Islam?

    there is none except one that you give him the proofs of Quran and Authentic Hadiths and then let him be for Guidance is NOT IN YOUR HANDS.

    And say: "The truth is from your Lord." Then whosoever wills, let him believe, and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve. (29) Surah Kahf.

    Not upon you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) is their guidance, but Allah guides whom He wills.( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #272)

    And you might have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the midst of the Cave. That is (one) of the Ayat (proofs, evidence, signs) of Allah. He whom Allah guides, he is the rightly guided; but he whom He sends astray, for him you will find no Wali (guiding friend) to lead him (to the right Path).
    ( سورة الكهف , Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #17)

    Convince them? Or just tell them the 'truth' without allowing them to ask or debate on it?

    “Invite (mankind, O Muhammad) to the way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Revelation and the Qur’aan) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided”
    [al-Nahl 16:125]

    Will you use 'logic' to 'prove' that you are right (you do have a 'proof' that you are right)?

    Thus have We sent it (this Qur'an) down (to Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) as clear signs, evidence and proofs, and surely, Allah guides whom He wills.
    ( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #16)

    Or it is their responsibility to believe on what you believe?

    Those who reject Our Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) are deaf and dumb in the darkness. Allah sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills.
    ( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #39)

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Oct 2010 14:52 #

  20. raheb
    Member

    Those who never read or learn cannot be considered deaf and dumb, but words are used forthose who read and supposed to learn from it BUT do not and ca not.... they are real deaf and dumb, NNL you and few others here belong to this catagory....(sorry Life H2O I have to say it in this way- but deaf and dumbs don't hear and don't understand)

    raheb

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Oct 2010 21:40 #

  21. LifeH2O
    Member

    @raheb I have no problem, it is your style :)

    @NNL it would be better if have explained the answers in your own words.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Oct 2010 8:52 #

  22. NNL
    member

    @ Raheb
    For you i have only one statement.

    "I take Allah's Refuge from being among Al-Jahilun (the ignorants or the foolish)." (67)

    @Life

    My apologies but i was hoping you put forth what you have learned or understood from those Ayahs. I think i may answered your questions in other topic that you have created. If not i will then explain my above post again.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Oct 2010 14:12 #

  23. LifeH2O
    Member

    "Not upon you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) is their guidance, but Allah guides whom He wills.( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #272)"

    You mean that we dont have to guide them, but it is their responsibility to know. Isn't it like leaving a child alone to learn himself, or leaving anyone just because it is Alalh who will guide him not us?

    "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better."
    This ayah says to preach and argue

    "Thus have We sent it down as clear signs, evidence and proofs, and surely, Allah guides whom He wills."
    Again this verse talk about proofs of its truthness

    "Those who reject Our Ayat are deaf and dumb in the darkness. Allah sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills."
    It is about those who 'reject', what about those who were unable to understand?

    Example of Hazrat Bilal (RA) is given often for his sufferings. Even in extreme conditions he was saying Ahad, was that belief or faith?

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Oct 2010 19:58 #

  24. NNL
    member

    "Not upon you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) is their guidance, but Allah guides whom He wills.( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #272)"

    You mean that we dont have to guide them, but it is their responsibility to know. Isn't it like leaving a child alone to learn himself, or leaving anyone just because it is Alalh who will guide him not us?

    No what it means by it is that You cant guide them. You can deliver the message and that is it whether they act upon it or not is not in your control. Your job is to deliver the message as you have received it.

    If Allah Azza Wa Jal wants him to be guided he will be guided. if not then he wont be guided.

    "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better."
    This ayah says to preach and argue

    The ayah is specific to Ahl-e-Kitab and to them if any of them want to debate and argue, then let that be in the best manner, with kindness, gentleness and good speech

    Reference

    "And speak to him mildly, perhaps he may accept admonition or fear Allah." (44) Surah Taha

    "And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), unless it be in (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner, inviting them to Islamic Monotheism with His Verses), except with such of them as do wrong, and say (to them): "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our Ilah (God) and your Ilah (God) is One (i.e. Allah), and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)." (46) Surah Al-Ankaboot.

    "Thus have We sent it down as clear signs, evidence and proofs, and surely, Allah guides whom He wills."
    Again this verse talk about proofs of its truthness

    Yes the signs are there if anyone wants to believe then Allah Azza Wa Jal Will Guide him.

    It is about those who 'reject', what about those who were unable to understand?

    You will find some people who really dont want to understand. Its for them. For the ones who really cant Allah Azza Wa Jal makes it easy for them. They have to put in 100% effort.

    Example of Hazrat Bilal (RA) is given often for his sufferings. Even in extreme conditions he was saying Ahad, was that belief or faith?

    This is a tricky question. I will have to ask someone who is more knowledgeable in these matters to answer this.

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Oct 2010 21:15 #

  25. raheb
    Member

    NNL! I understand you have nothing more to come with as you lack of arguments and have not any own opinion, so you can give only references but NO arguments. I wish to see your own production of your head.

    raheb

    Posted 1 year ago on 13 Oct 2010 21:39 #

  26. NNL
    member

    Ahh

    For Retards such as yourself who like to be called Muslims following hadith is self explanatory.

    The best of the speech is embodied in the Book of Allah, and the best of the guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad.
    Sahih Al Bukhari.

    Oh no but you believe to have a better opinion than the one who received The Revelation isnt it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 14 Oct 2010 12:40 #

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