yahya
Member
"Federal authorities are closing in on the man they say is a person of interest in the Times Square car bomb attempt this weekend, who is described as a naturalized American citizen who hails from Pakistan and just returned after spending five months there."
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/times-square-car-bomber-police-release-video-suspect/story?id=10534834
expakistani
Member
whats wrong with people from Pakistan? when they live in Pakistan they complain and try to destroy their own country.... when they are in foreign land / adopted land they do same thing...
this is just insane
toamin
member
lolzz..
another expakistani accused as a culprit.... "naturalized american citizen who hails from pakistan" :)
'May have' a mere speculation, however a Pakistani is/was involved or not but this news has served its purpose to malign Pakistan and Pakistanis once more!
Unfortunately, due to Pakistan's Media, Politicians, Journalists and a consistent support of Taliban at the Opinion forums, the credibility of Pakistan has been badly damaged.
A section of Taliban, mostly, comes forward to take the responsibility for such events, just to maintain the 'threat of their power.'
Qoute:
"The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attempted car bomb attack in New York's Times Square, a statement on an Islamist website said on Sunday[/b]"
It is like,
aa bial, mujhe maar
Wahid Doyum
Member
No one needs to malign Pakistan. Pakistani state institution s and their terrorist assets are enough to do this on their own.
All the following terrorists and their sympathizers gew up in the bosom of the Pakistani establishment and agencies:
Munawar Hasan
Ajmal Kasab
Baitullah Mehsud
Hakeemullah Mehsud
Ilyas Kashmiri
Maulana Masood Azhar
Khalid Khwaja
Col Imam (Amir Sultan Tarrar)
Aslam Beg
Hamid Gul
And these are just the names of the top of my head. The entire list is very long.
Pakistani agencies tried to breed terrorists to aim towards its neighbours and own people and this is the blowback.
Khalid Khwaja if he was alive (too bad about that) would have encouraged Pakistanis to attack the US, so why complain when Pakistani link is found. Isn't that what all the jihadis on this forum want as well? To attack America, Pukhtuns and others but just not them?
expakistani
Member
I really feel sorry for Pakistani living in CT and NYC,,,, now everyone going to be under FBI watch list... then few of our "i told you so,,," guys gona say....... bola tha na ke amerika racist hey.
Now the probability of getting "disrobed" is 99% if not 100. By the way, did Musharraf's pants fall down when his belt was taken off?
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/welcome-to-usa-take-off-your-clothes-please#post-106924
Updates:
A Pakistani, Faisal Shahzad, arrested in Times Square car bomb attack
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_times_square_car_bomb
Taliban leader vows attacks on the US
toamin
member
more trouble for all pakistani travelers :)
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
This is nonsense.
Do Pakistani authorities have any warrants ? Have they proved to the court of law in Pakistan, that a citizen of Pakistan has 'possibly' committed any crimes abroad ?
Pakistani authorities are conducting illegal attacks on its own citizens.
At the same time our own mass media is busy noting them as criminals, when nothing concrete has been established against them anywhere, in any court of law inside Pakistan.
They are joined by stupid! fools! of Pakistani people in spreading wrong news about their own fellow citizens being criminals.
What nonsense ? Are our people this stupid that they will condemn their fellow citizens without demanding d*mn good evidence for a crime they are 'accused' of ?
Why do our own people condemn their fellow citizens, unless and untill they have seen d*mn good amount of evidence against their fellow Pakistanis' ?
What nonsense ?
What kind of crack are Pakistani people on ?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Admin: What nonsense ?!?!!!!
Do you have nothing better to do than to condemn Pakistani people (i.e., your own fellow citizens) so you can sell 'sensationalist' news ?
Your actions force me to question your loyalty to people of your country.
(1) Where is the concrete evidence to prove that a Pakistani citizen was envolved in a crime outside Pakistan ?
(2) Have you seen d*mn evidence against that Pakistani citizen before you started talking against him ?
(3) Pakistan has a long list of criminals who have taken refuge in USA. What has USA done to turn them over to Pakistan, to-date ?
For example, what has been done by American authorities as well as Pakistani authorities to hand over perpetrator of Punjab Bank fraud, who is living a safe as well as luxurious life in USA, thanks to Hillary Clinton ?
Why don't Pakistani people as well as authorities ask that he be handed over to Pakistan ?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I will not allow for anyone to condemn any Pakistani citizen without;
(1) seeing d*mn! good evidence, for a crime they are accused of
(2) seeing formal extradition proceedings through the court of law
(3) seeing official warrants that were issued against a Pakistani citizen
(4) etc etc
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Furthermore, Pakistan has NO! extradition treaty with USA.
That means Pakistan has no!!! obligation to hand over any Pakistani to USA for anything.
@hariskhan
The vehicle used in this incident was loaded with explosives (fuel, fire crackers, fertilizer and clocks) was purchased by and belonged to a Pakistani that has been traced and reported.
اٹارنی جنرل کے بیان سے قبل مقامی امریکی میڈیا میں یہ اطلاعات سامنے آئی تھیں کہ ناکام بم دھماکے میں استعمال ہونے والی گاڑی ایک پاکستانی نژاد امریکی شہری نے خریدی تھی۔ پولیس کے مطابق مشتبہ شخص نے بریج پورٹ نامی قصبے میں نقد رقم ادا کرکے گاڑی خریدی تھی اور وہ حال ہی میں پاکستان سے ہو کر آیا تھا۔
گاڑی کے اصل مالک نے پولیس کو بتایا تھا کہ اُس نے 1993 ماڈل کی نسان پاتھ فائنڈر کا اشتہار انٹرنیٹ پر جاری کیا تھا اور جس شخص نے اُس سے گاڑی خریدی وہ مشرقِ وسطی سے تعلق رکھنے والا دکھائی دیتا تھا۔ گاڑی بیچتے وقت کوئی کاغذی کارروائی بھی
نہیں کی گئی۔
نیویارک پولیس کے سربراہ کے مطابق اگر بم دھماکا ہو جاتا تو گاڑی کے دو ٹکڑے ہو جاتے جس کے باعث آگ کا ایک بڑا گولہ بن جاتا۔ مشتبہ گاڑی کی نشاندہی ہوتے ہی حکام نے ٹائمز سکوائر میں موجود ہزاروں افراد کو ہنگامی طو رپر محفوظ مقامات کی طرف منتقل کردیا تھا۔
http://www1.voanews.com/urdu/news/usa/us-terrorist-04may10-92743704.html
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Mirza sb. perhaps you have ignored my messages that I have written above. I request you to read them again and again.
I will not allow this matter to be treated as trivial.
Pakistan has no diplomatic or other obligations to USA.
Why is Pakistan hounding its own citizens for something that it is does not have any obligation for ? Why ?
Why hasn't Pakistan asked USA to hand over criminals that Pakistan seeks ?
If USA can give immunity to people who commit large scale heinous crimes in Pakistan, what incentive does Pakistan have to comply with what USA demands from Pakistan ? Why ?!?!?!!!!
There are too many questions that need to be answered, before a Pakistani citizen can be 'hunted down' for the benefit of a foreign country.
@semirza
"Taliban leader vows attacks on the US"
So he was dead, and rises from the grave just in time for Times Square ;-)
(BTW: He did NOT 'vow attacks on the US" but "attacks on US citizens". BIG difference!!!
@Hariskhan
"Furthermore, Pakistan has NO! extradition treaty with USA."
Oh they don't need one. Anyways, they can pull one (extradition treaty) out of their @ss on demand
http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/f-o-pulls-a-rabbit-out-of-the-arse/
nota, spot on. Moderator sahib, in no way is this any serious accusation. A false flag of such transparent obviousness, it seems a waste of time even to discuss it. It's like saying 9/11 was a Muslim job. The poor Pakistani they "caught" is either a CIA-asset or a man chosen at random, in which case I'd say: God have mercy upon him. He'll be tortured and turned into a proper zombie.
My dears. All this drama may have been well planned so that a Pakistani could be blamed. Right now they are showing a loaded van; ownership has been traced to a Pakistani.
They are not saying anything more than this, but as I have said before damage has been done. Pakistan has been defamed once more and it makes no difference now if that suspect Pakistani accused of a terrorist act is innocent or guilty.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Mirza sb. the damage is done. I can't agree. Pakistan should tell USA, that Pakistan will conduct its own investigation and release its own report after that investigation concludes.
You claim the damage is done. Does that mean we can't or should not fight back ?
Are we willing slaves ?
Pakistani mass media is LAANTI!. They should highlight ALL! the crimes, perpetrated crimes, mysterious crimes that Americans or their allies conduct on our soil.
Why is our mass media mute when their people commit crimes on our soil ? :@
Why don't they make a big issue out of it ?
We need to counter USA's threat of defaming Pakistan or any other Muslim nation state through its mass media.
(1) When! will Pakistani people get rid of this s|ckening! disease called 'slave mindset' ?
(2) When! will Pakistani people start retaliating as a people, as a collective ?
@Mirza Ghalib
I am sure you are going to love Express Tribune/Quatrina Hosain's description of Hakimullah Mehsud: He is now "Hydra Mehsud", "Pakistan’s own version of Freddy Krueger". No kidding:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/10555/hydra-mehsud/
:)
BTW: I think this whole affair is a setup to take attention away from this:
BP says stemming oil flow will take three months
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article7115347.ece
Came at a time that would be bad news for Kasab.
Gives credibility to statements like:
"...my own sense is Pakistan has everything that gives you an international migraine." - Madeleine Albright.
" 75 percent of UK terror plots have links to Pakistan."
- Gordon Brown.
Sounds like a recipe for international military operation on Pakistan, that would be endorsed by it's neighbors i.e. India, Afghanistan and Iran.
Oh what a surprise re: Hakimullah Video. It too comes to us courtesy of @WD's mama/SITE!
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/19-hakimullah-mehsud-threatens-us-in-new-video-hh-02
(More on SITE here: http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/sounds-like-bull-to-me#post-145144)
toamin
member
that is what i tried to say that they are framing up Pakistan, all media, all stories, all troubles are now linked to Pakistan :)
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@barackosama: Pakistan can improve relations with Afghanistan + Iran, that is, if Pakistan wants to.
Taliban in Afghanistan are friends of Pakistan. We have experience of living as their neighbour for 6! years, remember ? For e.g., there was ZERO soldier standing on Afghan <-> Pakistan border and still!! there was 100% peace.
Iran has offered to be on Pakistan's side in the time of need, to help Pakistan in international conflicts in the past.
Its all! a matter of 'neeyat' (in urdu) of the people.
nota, thanks. Indeed, Hakimullah Mehsood is the man who lives forever. At last count, this was his 7th, yes 7th return from the grave. About the oil slick, my best story this morning is that IRAN has offered to help out the US, seeing its own long experience in the matter of oil and spills.
@Mirza Ghalib
"IRAN has offered to help out the US, seeing its own long experience in the matter of oil and spills. "
Love it! I can just imagine how it was received :)
Iranians have a terrific sense of humour. And technology to back it up.
khanseena1
Member
To everyone on this forum who are in denial - It has been confirmed that the person arrested is Pakistani origin and he has confessed. It is really a shame that majority of Pakistanis who are peace loving get maligned by the acts of few. Furthermore I find it disgusting that our media and religious parties continue to brainwash people with their jihadi propaganda.
All Muslims should point out to the authorities, ppl in their communities who are a threat to peace. Until that happens Pakistan will continue to be maligned and laughed at by the whole world.
@khanseena1
Funny you leave out the most pertinent part of the "confession":
"...has told the authorities that he acted alone..."
(Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/news/world/told-police-he-acted-alone-official-says-23161.php?u=2126&cp)
This proves the video productions by Ms Rita, SITE runner and @WD mama -- were fakes, as usual. :-P
This proves TTP had nothing to do with it. :-P
BTW: Isn't this fella "a naturalized United States citizen"? So why are you trying to put the blame on Pakistan???
P.S. $1,300 for an 1993 Nissan Pathfinder in that good a shape? Man, I want one!!! :)
yahya
Member
Acting alone does not mean he did not follow the extremist ideology spread by the extremist elements. Extremists are still accountable.
I suspect over time more links will be discovered.
Shock
Members
Iran has also offered Pakistan to help with the electricity problem, and gas. Beggars are trying to make fun of a self reliant country, whereas they should look at themselves. U.S doesn't the help of these mullahs, it is only Pakistan which begs the whole world and also create problem for them.
The news is about a vehicle that belongs to a naturalized American!
SufiSoul
Member
I will suggest to Muslims living in USA to start packups and search for any business in any Muslim country..
I think that many of the muslim countries have a good oppertunities for many businesses...
So the situation and relations between US and Muslims are going to be too Tense so it will be a great help if people strts thinking now,quiting US in the future....
Shock
Members
@SufiSoul
I agree. Muslims would do a huge favor to the west by doing this. The a,,hole is now fully co-operating with American authorities by giving them all the information. S much for standing for your faith.
yahya
Member
Shock, he may be a terrorist but he's no liar. :) That's haram.
Shock
Members
@yahya
That's true. Lying is Haram in Islam, so he had no choice but to co operate with the infidel. BTW, two arrests have also been made in Pakistan.
@shock
I agree. Muslims would do a huge favor to the west by doing this. The a,,hole is now fully co-operating with American authorities by giving them all the information. S much for standing for your faith.
What information that could be that a,,hole is providing americans and how it accuses 'faith' of our members when the accused stands an accused only as of yet.
@yahya
You posted 'a person of interest' (accused) and just after 35 posts you promote him indirectly to a terrorist!
He may be a terrorist but he is not a lier
Member opinion (above posts) is that Pakistan is being framed. You are saying things different like he is no lier means he is a terrorist!
Both of you are spreading hate based propaganda against Pakistan and faith (of the accused being a Muslim) when all we have is an accused subject to investigation while you are eager to pass judgment on your own.
Taking cover of a news item and turning it into your favourite of Pakistan and Islam bashing. Is this the whole purpose of this thread?
Shock
Members
@semirza
Who is bashing Islam? It is these terrorist that use Islam, and give it a bad name. And yes he has admitted that he wanted to do it, and all the proofs are already there. And Btw, bashing and hate is a two way street. It is not only from one side. This forum can be used to promote tolerance, and peace, but it is the exact opposite. You also have to pay attention to words like secular fascist, agents of this country or that country too. Treat everybody fairly, not just one specific group of people.
Thank you.
Mr.Fiasal Shahzad, a Pakistan born American citizen, has confessed about his action.
Related to the incident, a few more arrests have been made in Karachi.
Mr. Bloomberg, Mayor of New York, has very wisely, advised not to blame all of Pakistanis or the State of Pakistan for the action of a few individuals.
Whole basket cannot be trashed due to only few bad apples.
a,,hole
This particular use of language is also against you.Why you cannot do without using abusive words.
Who ever he may be is now a naturalized American first and still under investigation.
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@khanseena1: Perhaps you have missed what I wrote above. I request you to read it again.
One person might have committed a crime. But the situation between states doesn't end there.
You are miss-understanding my argument in this regard.
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