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True inquilaab in Pakistan

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bsobaid
Member

Land Reforms!

There is a ruling elite in Pakistan. This same elite is holding power in army, politics and bureaucracy. All this elite comes from feudal background. Majority of our population in rural areas live like slaves under them.

A true inquilaab will break that power structure by taking away lands from these big land owners and distribute to peasants.

Any other agenda and slogan be it corruption, islami nizam, amreeka kee ghulami and you name it...is all fake. The people who created these problems can not resolve them.

So dont be fooled in the name of these juicy and masala slogans. If you still feel some leader is strong enough to bring land reforms then join them and try to steer their policy in this direction.

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 14:58 #
insaftak
Member

I will settle for reforms.

Tax agriculture Income and you are half way there already. According to Najam Sethi land reforms are already done and now the land has been divided to many families. I don't know how true that is but if that's the case then I don't know what you could do except for taxing the agriculture income.

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 15:02 #
bsobaid
Member

You are right that the land has been divided within families.
The lands were originally granted by sultanat-e-inglishiaa to its paaltoo. So it is tricky, but you have to find a way.

Secondly, in Sind, Balochistan and Southern Punjab there are still thousands of acres belonging to individual. You can still do land reforms. There is still lots of room for it. The land limit should be reduced to say atmost 500 acres per individual.

PTI unfortunately is not active in this regard and is infact joining hands with these angraiz kay paltoo.

Remember, true popularity comes from rural areas and their true and real problem is wadaira shahi.

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 15:20 #
Bawa
Member

Bhaioo

Yahan kuchh badalnay wala nahin hai iss liay apna waqat zaia karnay aur khoon jalany kee zaroorat nahin hai

Yeh chaman yonhi rahay ga aur hazaroon janwar
Apni apni bolian sab bool kar urr jaain geay

Inqlaan General Pash kay kehnay say nahin aaya kartay. Inqlaab tab aata hai jab sab loog apnay kartoot theek kar leetay hain. Khali naray laganay say inqlaab nahin aaya kartay aur inqlaab ko woh lead karta hai jo awaam main say hota hai. Bani gala kay 500 kanal kay ghar main rehnay wala inqlaabi nahin ho sakta.

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 15:41 #
SufiSoul
Member

yar Bawa g jitna waqt aap zaya ker chuky hain aur jitna aap ny hamara zaya karaya aap ko parh parh k is ka gunah aap k galy hy....lol

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 15:46 #
Bawa
Member

SufiSoul Jee

Meeray waqat kee kheer hai. Agar aap garhay main girnay say bach jaain tu meeray liay yahi kafi hai. Main iss baat par yaqeen rakhta hoon

Neeki kar daraya main daal

Mujhay iss ka reward nahin chahiay.

:)

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 16:06 #
semirza
Moderator

Bawa Ji,
Hum naiN aap ko gheyray maiN lay rakha hai...Jub tak aap say kuch ka'am ki baataiN nahiN seekhaiN gey, aap ko nahiN janaiN daiN gey!....

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 16:08 #
hypocrite
Member

Bawa Ji,
Hum naiN aap ko gheyray maiN lay rakha hai...Jub tak aap say kuch ka'am ki baataiN nahiN seekhaiN gey, aap ko nahiN janaiN daiN gey!....

___________

معذرت کے ساتھ اور صرف مزاح کو مد نظر رکھتے ہوے

باوا صاحب نہ ہوے رضیہ صاحبہ ہو گئیں
اب مرزا صاحب کو غنڈہ کہا تو سخت پابندی لگنے کا امکان ہے
لہٰذا مرزا صاحب کو میں کچھ نہیں کہتا
ویسے یہ کام کی بات کیا ہوتی ہے

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 16:12 #
bsobaid
Member

This is the criteria of Inquilaab.

If your inquilaab does not take away lands from these feudals. If your inquilaab is not against jageerdaar.

THEN YOU ARE ONLY PLAYING WITH AWAMI EMOTIONS!!!!!

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 16:52 #
semirza
Moderator

@hypocrite
Lolz...brother, na Bawa Ji Razia haiN our na maiN ghunda houN. Sirf aik tashnagi hai. Bawa Ji bahut achi our gehri baitaiN kartey haiN. Main gehri baat ki gehrai tuk pahunchnay kay lieya Bawa Ji say munasib ta'aleem ka khawastgar houN.

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 17:02 #
insaftak
Member

LOL @ Razia and Ghundaaaeys.

@ Mirza Sahab

Saab Moderators Ghunday hotey hein :)

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 17:04 #
semirza
Moderator

@Insaftak
Saab moderators ghunday hotey hain...Never, even when COC is being ignored...Lolz!.......

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 17:08 #
Bawa
Member

@ S.E.Mirza

بھائی جی

ہم اس قابل کہاں کہ ہم کسی کو کچھ سیکھا سکیں. ہم تو یہاں خود اپنے بڑے بھائی سے سیکھنے کے لیے یہاں آئے ہیں جس نے کوڑھیوں کی نیندیں حرام کر رکھی ہیں اور اس فورم پر زبردست نظم و ضبط قایم کر رکھا ہے

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 19:45 #
Bawa
Member

@ hypocrite

بھائی جی

غنڈوں سے بچنے کے لیے ہی ہم نے یہاں پناہ لی ہے. یہاں آ کر اپنائیت محسوس ہوتی ہے. کوئی کسی کی ذات پر کچر نہیں اچھالتا کوئی کسی کے مذھب پر کیچڑ نہیں اچھالتا

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 19:48 #
stingingnettle
Member

bsobaid

"A true inquilaab will break that power structure by taking away lands from these big land owners and distribute to peasants."

This sounds too much like Zimbabwe and I do not feel it is the right way to go. Inqailab is not a fast and furious process that will cure all our ills overnight; it is a highly endothermic process that needs the energy and effort of everyone.

As some others have suggested; tax the big land owners and agriculturalist properly and give incentives to the small farmers to stand on their own feet and earn an independent living without the need for charity and handouts. If the old school feudal landlord are not able to understand that time is up for their generational grip on the nation's throat, then they will just be swept away by the people who have just had enough.

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 21:18 #
bsobaid
Member

@Sting,

Big difference.
In zimbabwe, the biggest land owners were white who had an option of migrating out of Zimbabwe which they did along with their technology.

In Pakistan, one they probably wont migrate and second, even if they do, the technology and technology companies are not owned by these feudals, infact the technolgy we use in Pakistan involve a bull and 2 sticks. So the replacement is very easy.

Overnight change does not happen in social behaviors and they require some time. For example for people to become honest and employ good governance will take time and is a gradual process but such laws can be and should be made in a reasonable amount of time.

PTI is not talking about land reforms and to me the criteria of inquilaab is awami empowerment by land distribution. So their inquilaab sounds fake to me...
saaqi ne kuch milaa naa diaa ho sharab mein..

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 21:49 #
mangoman
Blocked

I very much like to see land reforms in Pakistan, and agree with bsobaid suggestion of MAXIMUM 500 Acres (or 20 Murabba, or 4000 Kanals) per individual...along with other suggestions as pointed out by insaftak and stingingnettle.

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 21:51 #
stingingnettle
Member

bsobaid;

"In zimbabwe, the biggest land owners were white..."

But they are in Pakistan too! It's the heat and bright sunshine that has given them a perma-tan. Otherwise they live on their own little world of high walls and high life.

Posted 6 months ago on 11 Nov 2011 22:03 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

The existing feudal system in this region was established by the colonial British government. The high class criminals who supported the British colonial rule were rewarded big lands. The purpose was to divide the population into small pockets and rule over it with the help of the local feudal class. India abolished that leftover feudal system in 1952 and thus freed its population from the hobnails of the feudal class.

The colonial feudal class are still ruling over our country and hence suppressing the nation.

Posted 6 months ago on 12 Nov 2011 5:39 #
bsobaid
Member

Whoever, including pti raising slogan for inquilaab is a farce.

We must not be fooled again.

Posted 6 months ago on 12 Nov 2011 5:52 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

bsobaid

The nation was fooled twice. Once in 1977 by PNA leaders and then in 2007 by Lawyers. The leaders of both the movements showed skies to the public. The nation must scrutinize the characters of the leaders prior to supporting them for any revolutionary movement.

Both of the fraud movements costed us thousands of priceless lives.

Posted 6 months ago on 12 Nov 2011 6:03 #