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TTP leader surrenders in Sargodha

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  1. zia m
    Member

    LAHORE: Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leader Hanif Gabol alias Maviya, has surrendered to Mianwali police, a private TV channel reported on Monday.

    Gabol, who belongs to the Choti Zerine area of Dera Ghazi Khan, joined TTP (Hasan Group) and was appointed as the chief of the Saraiki Lashkar to carry out terror activities.

    He claimed to be involved in several terrorist attacks in different parts of Punjab and also admitted that he was an expert in making suicide jackets, the channel reported.

    He was the mastermind behind the attack on the Khosa House in Dera Ghazi Khan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 1:12 #
  2. He should be hanged in PUBLIC if he is involved in killing any innocent Pakistanis.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 1:27 #
  3. Like I said: Oh, so convenient! :-P
    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/oh-so-convenient-taliban-leader-surrenders

    So zia_m, trying to give it your spin??

    BTW: He "handed himself over" in Mianwali, NOT Sargodha. They are two different cities. Duh!

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 3:40 #
  4. @KS
    "He should be hanged in PUBLIC if"

    Oh thanks for the input. Brilliant!

    (A bit quick with the hanging, aren't we? Fantasies galore!! :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 3:41 #
  5. Wahid Doyum
    Member

    This is all part of drama to make fools of people into thinking that there are good taliban, bad taliban and shades of black white.

    In the country of Pakistan, all actions are taken under guidance of larger goals of establishment and its agencies. As Hamid Mir, Khalid Khwaja, Haqani, Col Imam case shows that all these actors from hakeemullah, siraj haggani, mullah omar, hamid gul, kayani, shuja pasha, zaid hamid are interconnected and part of the same larger team.

    All this nonsense that there is army camp, afghan taliban camp, pakistani taliban camp, CIA camp is pure ISI propaganda repeated by the likes of Zaid Hamid paid agents. There is only one camp ruling over Pakistan: establishment army/ISI camp and those opposing are only found in nationalist camps who have for decades spoken against this game.

    Tomorrow, don't be surprised if Kayani is found doing gupshup with Hakeemullah Mehsud or Mullah Omar over chai. ISI agents have been trying to portray them as enemy camps. How can the creation of Pakistani agencies, the Taliban babies be really in two separate camps? Not possible.

    Who are the biggest losers in this? The poor brainwashed people, largely pukhtuns, who are told this is is jihad and to khudkhush hamla will and them in jannat. In fact there is no legitimate jihad, as all this is game of pakistani agencies to get money and colonize more lands.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 3:57 #
  6. sasherwani
    Members

    They should chop off his legs and then force him to participate in a 34km marathon on top of a track filled with Acid.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 5:19 #
  7. Killing men is easy, I brought them over the mountain, through desert, whatever. The hard part is moving them inside the country. Whenever you get stopped, you gonna bribe someone to shoot someone...and not good for business. No, once your inside, you want to hand off as fast as possible, let the customer deal with it

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 6:00 #
  8. sasherwani
    Members

    @ Psycho,

    Please translate into English?

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 7:46 #
  9. آدمیوں کو مارنا آسان ہے . میں ان کو پہاڑی سے لایا یا صحرا سے یا کسی بھی جگا سے .
    لیکن مشکل کام ان کو ملک کے اندر لے جانا ہے . جب تم کو کوئی بھی روک لے تو تمیں اس کو رشوت دینی پڑتی ہے یا گولی مارنی پڑتی ہے . اور یہ کاروبار کے لئے اچھا نہیں ہے . ایک دفع جب تم اندر ہو جاو . تم کو ان سے جان جلدی چھڑانی پڑے گی . کسٹمر کو اس کے ساتھ کلام کرنے دو

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 8:05 #
  10. rashidsaleem
    Member

    The surrender of the city chief has come at a crucial point. This is mainly because of the pressure put on these militant outfits by army and government policies. We need to make sure that we continue to increase the pressure so that more and more TTP leaders surrender.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 8:13 #
  11. fhsarwar
    Member

    This is excellent achievement by the authorities; it will certainly help in capturing the related groups from other areas in Punjab.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 10:53 #
  12. zia m
    Member

    The government should offer some kind of reward for those who surrender and put them in a rehab program.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 10:57 #
  13. sasherwani
    Members

    @ zia,

    As long as the rehab program facility is guarded by electricuted barbed wires and land mines, I like your idea :D

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 12:09 #
  14. zia m
    Member

    Sasherwani,
    We should not be that cynical but too much reward money could be dangerous, most Pakistanis could claim to be terrorist.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 12:34 #
  15. sasherwani
    Members

    "most Pakistanis could claim to be terrorist." who is being MORE cynical here :);):P

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 12:48 #
  16. time
    Blocked

    @Wahid Doyum

    I can't agree more. You hit the nail right at the head. Our establishment is playing complex games in the name of national security.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 13:21 #
  17. toamin
    member

    PML-N's tacit support for amrikan war against muslims-

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 13:35 #
  18. @psycho
    You could have provided a link to what you have already posted:
    http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/farcry2/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-46526987&pid=944400

    Jackal Tape 02
    Killing men is easy, I brought them over the mountain, through desert, whatever. The hard part is moving them inside the country. Whenever you get stopped, you gonna bribe someone to shoot someone...and not good for business. No, once your inside, you want to hand off as fast as possible, let the customer deal with it.

    "How do they move the shipment?"

    Hm...I delivered three hundred kilos of C4 ...about six months ago. He showed up with a dozen of his men...dead men. He packed C4 into their corpses figuring no one will search them. Smart guy.

    Jackal Tape 03
    "Where do you get the weapons?"

    It's a romantic notion that they all came out of the Soviet Union after the collapse, that was a win fall back in '89, maybe from '91...but that's all over. I move weapons, I profit from circulation; you get a ceasefire in Liberia, both sides disarmed, you think they slide two thousand tons of guns? No. They sell them to me. I resell them where ever the next war is starting.

    "Those are Soviet Guns from 1999?"

    Hm...well that's about half. The rest mostly come from old European armies. After they abandon their colonies in the '60s and '70s, you know, French guns, Dutch, Belgian...

    "So some of these guns are very old? They have been sold, bought, and sold repeatedly?"

    *laughs* They aren't bio-degradable. Only the dead are bio-degradable.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 14:15 #
  19. This TTP leader should be thoroughly interrogated (not through the usual third degree) to confirm if he has anything to do with Munabao-Khokrapar-Dera Bhugti link.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 14:21 #
  20. @semirza
    And what's the "Munabao-Khokrapar-Dera Bhugti" "link"??

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 14:26 #
  21. Good news, let them surrender. Start rehab program like they did in Indonesia. Offer them incentives to give up terrorism. They could again become good citizens of State. This ongoing bloodbath in NWFP has been going on for too long. It is time to lay down their weapons and become good members of society. All these terrorists can never win against Army. Northern Ireland example is before us.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 14:31 #
  22. It is one of the trusted routes for 'border crossiya' types.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 14:32 #
  23. @semirza
    Never heard of it! I know there is a 'Munabao-Khokrapar" link -- as in "Munabao–Khokrapar rail service" -- but never heard of "Dera Bhugti" being a part of it. And why would "border crossiya' types" go chose Dera Bugti -- occupied and crawling with FC troops AND so far away from the border -- as part of their :trusted routes" appears more intelligence propaganda BS than anything. Have a look at a map...

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 14:53 #
  24. What are you talking about nota dear! I may be having something with me to substantiate my claims.

    I have some material on this link that I intend to post as a separate thread.

    BTW, for border crossings, crossovers are chosen where a crossover is least expected even considered impossible. Time and weather plays a crucial role and crossovers are well timed attempted when and where nobody would think of making a crossover.

    Safehouses happen to be on both sides of a border. It is not just a simple walkover picnic trip and certainly not for the faint hearted.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 15:17 #
  25. @semirza
    "Time and weather plays a crucial role and crossovers are well timed attempted when and where nobody would think of making a crossover."
    But Dera Bugti?

    "Safehouses happen to be on both sides of a border. "
    But Dera Bugti is no where near any border! You do realize Dera Bugti is almost halfway between our eastern(border with India) and western(border with Afghanistan/Iran) borders?
    (Unless by "half-way house" you mean house literally half way between the borders :) )

    "I have some material on this link that I intend to post as a separate thread."
    Please do. Just very curious....

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 15:35 #
  26. I think either you are not fully aware of the subject at hand or I am not able to explain it properly.
    Dera Bughti area and beyond is at the receiving end deep inside Pakistan for action after border crossovers that happen on the Rajasthan side of India Pakistan border belt. There are others from other sides but for the moment I will talk about this link.
    Sabotage of gas pipelines and electricity pylons in that area are acts of sabotage by those saboteurs who have links through Rajasthan and operate inside Baluchistan.

    No, a 'Safe House' has many forms but essentialy it is a covert hideout where an operative will report first of all and stays there keeping a very low profile till a green signal is received for a crossover.

    Or otherwise actual crossover may be done by another agent, a 'courier' who holds a valid reason as a cover (can be a local too, a herdsman for example) for his presence very close to the border while a local agent (in this case a Pakistani) will remain in the safehouse.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 15:55 #
  27. @semirza
    But again: Dera Bugti? The same Dera Bugti under FC occupation? I mean -- come on -- with WHOLE of Baluchistan available, Dera Bugti would be ABSOLUTELY THE LAST place to pick for a half-way house (and no, that "crossovers are chosen where a crossover is least expected even considered impossible" logic just DOES NOT work here)

    P.S. I thought ISPR line was all Indian help to Baloch resistance was coming from Afghanistan (remember talk of "India has so many consulates on the Afghan border" and "Brahmdagh in Kabul" shticks) so why go through the trouble of getting to Balochistan all tha way from Rajasthan throug "Munabao-Khokrapar-Dera Bhugti link"? Just VERY inefficient, won't you say?

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 16:13 #
  28. Very old but efficient and well maintained link. True the others are through Afghanistan and even Iran but this one is something special.
    I will InshAllah write on this in detail and post as a separate thread. I believe this should be broght into public notice too.
    And BTW FC is nothing when a trained operative makes a move that are just sitting ducks.
    I have seen Rangers on the borders stationed on their stakeouts (locations are never repeated and kept secret)in pairs or sitting at a distance from each other when single, either talking loudly, singing thus giving their positions out and making crossover a breeze. Smoking that makes a cigarette visible from quite a distance, even sleeping thinking who will come this way!
    I will cover this link in a separate thread.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 16:16 #
  29. @semirza
    Regarding the statement:
    "very old but efficient and well maintained link"

    Doesn't it fly in the face of your earlier argument:
    "crossovers are chosen where a crossover is least expected"
    ;-)

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 16:23 #
  30. Efficient for a trained operative.
    Yes will I stick to my statement that crossovers are chosen where they are least expected by a mind that is unaware how trained operatives may exploit and make use of a certain situation or a location.
    Are you seeking information on 'Intelligence Affairs'? Just being curious!

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 16:32 #
  31. "Are you seeking information on 'Intelligence Affairs'? Just being curious! "

    No i am just trying to make some sense of what appears to me totally non-sensible and contradictory and Hollywoodish and propagandish...What you are saying is akin to an escapee suggesting "Let's go hide in the Police station!"

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 16:39 #
  32. Exactly.....that is how things are done by them. It is logical that these things appear nonsensible, contradictory and Hollywoodish or even propagandish because you may not have knowledge of this type of human existance but this is how they operate.

    Good that a civilian mindset remains unaware of how non-civilian aims and targets are achieved through clandestine missions.

    I doubt this arrested leader of TTP is a genuine one.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 17:06 #
  33. Sorry but ain't buying this...:)

    (except the "I doubt this arrested leader of TTP is a genuine one" part)

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 17:08 #
  34. But speaking of 'Intelligence Affairs', how's this one:
    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/flase-flag-hafiz-saeeds-life-is-in-danger-says-punjab-govt

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 17:09 #
  35. No problem. There are no compulsions.
    This man I would say is a fake; a diversion at most. An attempt to glorify TTP how deadly and dangerous it is!

    To keep these operatives alive throgh media assures further flow of US dollars and a shabash from Uncle Sam.

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 17:13 #
  36. Hafiz Saeed is a pawn of ISI and nothing else. Real players when nabbed (from both sides) none of the sides will lay claim to any one of them being their man, not even asking the other side if they have him. This is normally done by ISI and RAW.
    But in Hafiz Saeed's case it is not that. Kashmir was meant to be a hot spot right since partition of the subcontinent into India and Pakistan. They were never seen to be friendly neighbors by limy colonials. Fires are kept stoked through people like Hafiz Saeed, not by eliminating them!

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 17:24 #
  37. semriza

    how curious

    how u find that, i can't imagine,

    It's the villian of game, Farcry2. who turn into hero

    i accept my defeat

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 17:30 #
  38. @semirza

    "Fires are kept stoked through people like Hafiz Saeed, not by eliminating them!"

    100% agreed;

    Will Pak Army Establisment ever want to resolve Kashmir issue? The obvious answer is NO!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 17:37 #

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