Turkey has emerged as a big player, playing a role in global affairs more effectively. Two countries trying to take leadership in this region are Turkey, and Iran. I think Turkey's role is much more positive, and much better than many Muslim/Arab countries in the past as they always wanted confrontation. You don't see a Turkish leader making hateful speeches against other religions, instead speaking in proper diplomatic tone. Turkey has good relationship with the west and Arab countries. The country also wants to diffuse tensions b/w United States and Iran, which is the role that we should have been playing instead of taking sides. A lot of people think it is because of the Islamic government in Turkey. But the reality is, Islam was restricted in Turkey and there were a lot of impositions and bans on religion, which is contrary to secular democracy. The new government has only removed those bans rightly so, but still believes in a secular constitution. And turkey will remain a secular country. Most of the muslim world just wants confrontation, war, or revenge, but Turkey completely stand opposite to that. I fully support Turkey for being courageous and smart, and I prefer Turkey over any other muslim country including Pakistan.
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Turkey's positive role
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Shock
MembersPosted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 0:59 # -
Shock
MembersHere is a really good article:
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 1:00 # -
expakistani
Member@Turkish leadership is up to take charge as Muslim voice, they will do good inshallah......for many years useless Saudies and big mouth & small head Iranies are causing real damage to Muslims cause around the globe.,,, we need a real leader like mahtir Mohammad or new atta turk Mr Erdugan.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 4:40 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Mr. Erdogan is doing in Turkey what JI/MMA would do in Pakistan.
Mr. Erdogan is from an Islami party. He doesn't want secular constitution. But, since there are some who have power who do, he has made a compromise for the time being, in the long term interests of his people.
Muslims know the art of compromise. JI/MMA knows it too. JI/MMA has made a lot of compromises over the years.
He will slowly but surely, INSHALLAH move Turkey back towards Islam.
Pakistan's/JI's/MMA's circumstances are far better than Turkey, since;
(1) those who subscribe to secularism have already had power over the last 64 years, yet have miserably failed in improving the lives of people of Pakistan
(2) majority of people of Pakistan do not believe in secularism
Even though military dictators, democratic dictators with absolute power have tried, majority of people of Pakistan have rejected secularism, over and over again.
(3) we have much better constitutional leverage for moving towards an Islami way of life, for promoting Muslim civilization, Islam's culture, Islam's values
We have a duty to that ALLAH ALMIGHTY has bestowed upon us.
(4) people of Pakistan have an insatiable thirst for working for the good of humanity
(5) people of Pakistan believe in struggling in the name of ALLAH ALMIGHTY, as much as it is needed
We can do a lot of work for betterment of Muslims as well as non-Muslims, be it within Pakistan or outside Pakistan.
I could see it in the responses of people of Pakistan in Talat Hussain's program last night i.e., after reaching back home safely from freedom flotilla.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 7:46 # -
What is it with all of you today? The first thread I go to, I find someone badmouthing Turkey. This, the second, I find all of you saying nasty things about Iran, playing one great Muslim leader off another. Are you all off your heads or what? Or simply tired of naming your one and only enemy: the Whites, the West? With attitudes such as these, do we really need any foreign interference in our affairs to be badly off?
And, for heaven's sake: when are we going to start that anti-drone movement. HK, why doesn't JI start it? As long as the heroism of the Freedom Flotilla is still fresh in our minds, the time is just right to do so. Start it, start it today with a huge signed petition.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 8:02 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Mirza Ghalib: Brother, I didn't take part in badmouthing Iran or Turkey.
I mentioned what good people of Pakistan can offer to the rest of humanity.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 8:10 # -
No, no, HK, so sorry, you didn't. A bad mistake on my part. I was very, very happy to hear you say such positive things about our own Pakistan, attacked on every side by enemies within and without. Please to forgive.
And now HK, do give that drone petition a thought. Please. The time is just about right for that. Privately or politically. Soon we'll have forgotten the Flotilla and then it would again be too late to muster real enthusiasm in the public.
P.S. Just to complete the picture, we have yet another thread this morning making fun of Saudi Arabia. Really, sounds as if it were all pre-planned to me, although I doubt that it was.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 8:31 # -
Turkey is indeed becoming a proactive player in the region and Turkey is trying to get itself away from to much dependency of USA as it was well known that like Pakistan today their was no other country surrounding Turkey which had any relations with Turkey and Iran and Arab countries were like enemies of Turkey in the region and Greece also had unresolved problems with Turkey as well and the whole Turkey's survival was depend on Military establishment which was considered the last hope for Turkey due to having troubles with other countries in the region and Military was playing the most influential role in Turkish Politics and in all fields of Turkish society but it has started to change as Ordegan has taken the Office as Ordegan is working on building relationships with all countries in the region even with Armenia whos relations with Turkey had always being cold due to Armenian genocide story associated wityh Turkey so this could be a very serious problems for Turkish military establishment as if Turkey started building diplomatic relations with other countries of the region then their influence would be weak on Turkish society and another aspect is that Israel has been a big supplier for Turkey along with USA and its few allies so if Turkey started threatening israel then it would effect the supplies of weapons to Turkey as well so they should start finding new market for military as fast as they can or as Turkey is developed country so they should start working on joint development of weapons so that their military could move forward...For Turkish Govt. I would say they should be alert from any conspiracy hatched by Military in Turkey as anything could happened to them because Turkish military wont be happy with how Ordegan is governing a country...
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 10:27 # -
aftab arif
MemberTurkey has indeed been playing a postive role and i get the feeling this independence or voice they are raising for Palestine might be curtailed through they Military.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 11:08 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Mirza Ghalib: How do we work, what do we do for drone attacks, that will go in the hearts of people of Pakistan ?
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 16:36 # -
Shock
MembersI wouldn't compare JI/MMA to Turkey's Justice and Development Party. It would be an insult to them. In fact JI/MMA is an insult to Islam and Pakistan.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 19:01 # -
@shock... I totally agree with your last statement.... MMA and JI has done more damage than good..
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 19:11 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
There's a critical difference between them i.e., one has power in federal government in their nation state. The other hasn't had that opportunity.
Your comparison is flawed. Both of them cannot be compared in the way you are comparing them since you are not putting them on the same scale.
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@Shock: You don't have the credibility to talk against JI/MMA.
You need to improve on it before you can be allowed to speak about them as well as critical matters of this nation state.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 20:11 # -
zia m
MemberI could be wrong but i have a feeling the winner in all this will be Obama admn.After Israel, Turkey is America's most important ally in the region. Netanyahoo has been misbehaving with the US President and Obama wanted to slap him a little bit.
The humiliation of Israel is great news for the world community.Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 20:27 # -
Shock
Members@hariskhan
I don't have the credibility. They ruled NWFP all throughout Musharraf era. Just look at NWFP now. Would anybody want to go and live in that province? Turkey doesn't nurture terrorist by using America as an excuse. Don't try to compare your party to JDP of Turkey, it is an insult to them. You should learn before you post comments, you don't even have all the facts straight.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 20:35 # -
Go Turkey Go
Their leadership has shown courage against Israeli atrocities.Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 20:43 # -
Someone please stop hariskhan comparing current leadership of Turkey with corrupt and incompetent MMA.
Thanks God we have got rid of MMA. During MMA rule in NWFP, taliban mafia grew and got stronger to carry out their mass killings.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 20:46 # -
Shock
Members@Sweettruth
They are one the main reasons why Pakistan is facing terrorism, and even drone attacks. They are obsessed with the U.S. Seems as if they are jealous of that country. Nobody wants to live in their khilafat. Whereas Turkey has acted much more professionally than any other muslim country. They are not taking sides, but acting as a mediator. Have you ever seen Turkish Prime Minister talking trash about other religions or using hate, unlike that dumbo in Iran. Turkey accepts Israel as a country, but doesn't accept their atrocities on Palestinian people.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 20:55 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Shock: Dude, you have contributed absolutely nothing for the good of the community on this website, for the good of this nation state as well as its people.
I repeat: You don't have the credibility to talk against JI/MMA.
You need to improve on it before you are allowed to speak about them as well as critical matters of this nation state.
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@Sweettruth: I say the same to you i.e., you have contributed absolutely nothing for the good of the community on this website, for the good of this nation state as well as its people.
You don't have the credibility to point fingers at others.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 20:57 # -
@haris khan
It seems to me that you are obsessed with questioning the credibility of others over here. Would you like to tell us about yourself that what sort of credibility do you possess, and that who gave you the damn right to question the credibility of other members?
In my opinion you are the one whose credibility should be questioned as you seem to be a terrorist jumatia.
MMA was the nightmare happened to Pakhtoonkhwa, we had Swat and God forbid if we are going to have JI terrorists and mulla diesel in future again then I believe that will be 'Allah ka azab'.
Oh, and btw, don't ever try to do that stupid comparison again....JI vs. JDP,,,,LMAO
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 21:38 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@dildar: Before you question my credibility, will you please come out in the open, do us all good and put forward your own ?!
Then I'll answer your question/challenge.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 21:54 # -
NNL
memberPositive role ?
Can anyone tell me what Positive Role is Turkey actually playing ?
Look at internal problems of Turkey they are destroyed and destructed.
I dont see any positiveness over there.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 22:05 # -
@haris
You are the one who is questioning others, not me!!!!!!!!
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 23:13 # -
HK, Sorry, I've just seen your message. I think we could get out petitions as a first step. We talk about Palestine and the Freedom Flotilla first, then our drone attacks. If people can't sign, then a thumb imprint would also do the job. These we send on to the government. Copies to the US Embassy. But regularly and by the thousands.
Next we start demonstrating against the drones, Small demos, nothing gigantic it need be. But regular. One in a different city every day of the week. And very, very important: we begin indoctrinating the riot police wherever we can. And we get the media to cover us in every way possible.
And, and, and. Our imaginations will take over then and suggest all kinds of new ways to express our opposition to the drones. Anyone who starts such an action will be blessed in the eyes of the nation and in those of Allah.
P.S. We can't do anything about the Pak army, of course. that's not our business. But the drones, that's a foreign power killing the people of Pakistan. This cannot be justified by any law on earth.
Posted 1 year ago on 05 Jun 2010 23:39 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@dildar: ..and you are questioning me.
Posted 1 year ago on 06 Jun 2010 9:39 # -
aftab arif
MemberThe revolutions and uprising that have been sweeping across the Mideast are widely believed to have begun in Tunisia. In fact, the first seeds of revolution were planted in 2002 in Turkey, as its Justice and Development Party began the long, arduous battle against eight decades of disguised military dictatorship.
To understand the importance of the June 12 Turkish elections, step back for a moment to distant 1960 when I was in high school in Switzerland.
A Turkish classmate named Turgut told me, tears in his eyes, "The generals hanged my daddy!" His father had been a cabinet minister in the government recently overthrown by a military coup.
The 510,000-man Turkish armed forces, NATO's second biggest after the US, have mounted four military coups since 1950. Turkey's current constitution, which facilitates military intervention in politics, was written by the military after its 1980 coup.
Ever since the era of national hero turned strongman, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Turkey has been run by its powerful military behind a thin façade of squabbling politicians. In the process, it suffered widescale political violence, Kurdish secessionism, rigged elections, and endless, ruinous financial crises and the constant threat of war with Greece.
Americans always liked to point to pre-2002 Turkey as the ideal Muslim state. "Why can't those Arabs be more like the sensible Turks?" was a refrain often heard in Washington. Americans chose to ignore, or simply failed to see, that Turkey was an iron-fisted military dictatorship.
Turkey began to change in 2002 when the new Justice and Development Party (AKP) led by Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Abdullah Gul (today president) won an historic electoral victory. The shift from the traditional leftists and rightist Kemalist parties was due to a major demographic shift. Rural and middle class Turks began moving into the cities, diluting the political and economic power of the minority secular elite made up of the military, big business, media, academia, and judiciary.
Turkey's tame Muslim religious establishment was kept under tight security control. Under Ataturk and his successors, Islam, the bedrock of Turkish culture and ethos, was savagely attacked, nearly destroyed and brought under state control -- just as the Russian Orthodox Church was during Stalin's era.
What Turks called "the deep government" -- hard rightists, security organizations, gangsters, the rich elite, and rabid nationalists -- wielded power and crushed dissenters.
AK called for Islamic political principles: welfare for the poor and old, fighting corruption, ethical political leaders who heeded their own people, good relations with neighbors. Turkey's right and its military allies screamed that their nation was about to fall to Iranian-style Islamists, or be torn apart by Kurdish rebels.
In fact, AK's decade of rule has given Turkey its longest period of steadily improving human rights, stunning economic growth, financial stability, and democratic government.
Under AK, Turkey has moved closer to the European Union's legal norms than, for example, new members Bulgaria and Romania. Even so, French and German conservatives insist Turkey will never be accepted in the EU. Europe -- particularly its farmers -- does not want 75 million mostly Muslim Turks. Nor competition from Turkey's lower cost, superior agricultural products, and its fast-growing industrial sector.
Largely unseen by outsiders, AK has relentlessly pushed Turkey's reactionary military back to its barracks. This long struggle culminated in attempts by the military, known as the Ergenekon affaire, to again overthrow the civilian government.
The plot was broken: numbers of high-raking officers were arrested and put on trial. So were a score of journalists and media figures involved in the plot -- probably too many. Investigators are examining questionable arms deals between Turkey's military and Israel.
Ergenekon broke the power of Turkey's generals, who were closely allied to the US military establishment and Israel's Likud party. In fact, the Pentagon often had more influence over Turkey than its civilian leaders. Until AK, the US nurtured bitter Turkish hostility to Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas, and, at times, Iraq, and an artificial friendship with Israel that dismayed many Turks.
Today, all has changed. Popular prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, backed by a majority of voters, has turned Turkey into the Mideast's role model for successful democracy, and unleashed the latent economic power of this nation of 75 million.
Turkey's capable foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, engineered a "zero problems" policy that vastly improved Turkey's relations with all its formerly hostile neighbors, excepting Armenia and Greek-Cyprus. Turkey's foreign policy now reflects Turkish rather than US and Israeli interests.
"Zero problems' opened the Mideast's doors to Turkish business, restoring Turkey to the former dominant regional leadership it held before World War I.
Turkey's popular support for the Palestinians led to a bitter clash with Israel. As a result, Turkey has become the target of fierce attacks by the US Congress and media for no longer being responsive to Israeli interests. The Wall Street Journal, the North American voice of Israel's hard right Likud Party, has led fierce attacks against Turkey.
Claims by the right that Erdogan is turning Turkey into an Islamic dictatorship are false. The stable, democratic, productive Turkey he is building is a boon for all concerned. Istanbul used to be the Paris of the Muslim world. It's returning to that role again.
Erdogan's third electoral victory fell short of allowing him to rewrite the obsolete constitution without consensus from other parties, but his victory means years more democratic and economic progress for this vitally important nation that will play a key role in stabilizing and building a new, modern Mideast.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-margolis/turkey-the-first-mideast-_b_880381.html
Posted 10 months ago on 28 Jul 2011 15:28 # -
Look, aftab, Sorry. Only a few months ago I'd have wholly agreed with everything said above and cheered Erdogan and his people on to greater heights. Alas, today it is no longer the case. After seeing how Turkey has behaved over Syria, how it has welcomed NATO forces into the country, etc., I have to acknowledge that I was wrong about the Turkish Justice Party and that those who kept warning me that Turkey was a Zionist asset were right and it was I who had failed to understand where Erdogan was actually going.
Posted 10 months ago on 28 Jul 2011 17:36 # -
Abdul Rahman
MemberAgreed MG,
It is long way to go for Turkey to behave as a true Islamic state. It is deeply natinalistic to the core. Please consider how Turkey pounced with invasion on Cyprus when the Turkish community was mistreated by Greeks. and see its lethargic response to brutal Syrian crackdown in its neigborhood. It is more interetsed in being EU member than being identified with Muslim states.
Posted 10 months ago on 28 Jul 2011 18:25 # -
AR, I'm more glad than I can say that I get your approval on this. I've been deeply depressed by Turkey's recent moves, but have revived somewhat after being assured by some that dissidence within the Justice party has slowly begun to grow. I love my Turkish brethren, believe you me and I wish them all the very best, but not, never at the expense of sacrificing other Muslim peoples on the pretext that EU membership trumps all.
Posted 10 months ago on 28 Jul 2011 19:27 # -
Now this is a positive sign, I feel, and a model of its kind:
Turkey's top military chiefs 'resign' over divisions with governmentNews agency reports that the most senior officers in army, navy and air force step down over rift with ruling administration
guardian.co.uk, Friday 29 July 2011
Turkey's state-run Anatolia news agency says the military's chiefs of staff have resigned because of tensions with the Islamic-rooted government.
NTV television, citing unnamed military sources, says the country's military chief and the commanders of the navy, air force and the army have resigned.
The resignation of so many top commanders for the first time ever signals a deep rift with the government and comes after a court charged 22 suspects, including several generals and officers, with carrying out an internet campaign to undermine the government.
The government and military leaders were also seeking a compromise deal over several key appointments during next week's high military council meeting.
Posted 10 months ago on 29 Jul 2011 17:30 # -
scandinavian
Member@MG
These army gangsters are leaving because they are frustrated over the capability of Erdogan. They just don't have clue how to touch this man of principle. The army cannot touch a leader with moral authority. That is exactly the case we have had in Pakistan for decades. The army nurtured leaders have all been morally corrupt and hence been easy prey for the army.
Posted 10 months ago on 29 Jul 2011 17:33 # -
Scandi, I do not know about any principles Erdogan may now hold apart from friendship with Israel and the burning desire for EU membership. If that adds up to "moral authority", then so be it.
I think the Pak army in any conflicts with the ruling government could learn from what the Turkish armed forces' chiefs have just done. And that also goes for armies the world over.
Posted 10 months ago on 29 Jul 2011 19:19 # -
spruce
MemberTurkey looks to restore order after top generals quit
By DAREN BUTLER | REUTERSPublished: Jul 31, 2011 19:49 Updated: Jul 31, 2011 19:49
ISTANBUL: Turkey’s military and political leaders face a battle to restore order in NATO’s second-biggest army on Monday at a military council overshadowed by the resignation of its top four generals in protest at the jailing of hundreds of officers.
The long-running strains between the secularist military and Islamist-rooted government boiled over on Friday when Chief of General Staff Isik Kosaner stepped down, along with the army, navy and air force commanders, leaving the armed forces in disarray.
Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, who will chair the four-day Supreme Military Council (YAS), has moved quickly to designate a successor to Kosaner and will be keen to smooth over a row which financial markets will be monitoring closely on Monday.
President Abdullah Gul has denied any crisis and Erdogan’s regular address to the nation on Saturday focused on plans for a new constitution in the EU-candidate country, touted as a democratic model for a region in turmoil.
The resignations will enable Erdogan to consolidate control over a once-omnipotent military, which staged a series of coups since 1960 but whose power has been curbed by EU-backed reforms since pushing an Islamist-led government from power in 1997.
But the walkout has clouded the start of Erdogan’s third term in office after an election victory in which his AK Party won 50 percent of the vote. It may also entrench Turkey’s deep polarization between government supporters and opponents.
The YAS, which meets twice yearly to decide key promotions, faces a challenge to fill top military posts as the government opposes some leading candidates while others are on trial accused of seeking to overthrow the government.
Former gendarmerie chief General Necdet Ozel was named ground forces head and overall acting chief after Kosaner quit, but will only take over the armed forces after the YAS, said Milliyet columnist Fikret Bila, who has close military ties.
Bila said the other three top posts will also remain vacant until YAS ends. With another top general in jail, five seats among the 14 top generals are set to be empty at the meeting.
“The most keenly awaited issue is who will be appointed to head the land forces command,” Bila said, noting the government is seen opposing some of those in line for the post.
Potential candidate General Saldiray Berk is likely to be ruled out as a defendant in a trial related to the alleged coup-plot “Ergenekon” conspiracy.
President Gul is not keen on a general who refused to shake the hand of his headscarved wife, and one who refused to meet him when Berk was serving in northern Cyprus, media said.
“If seniority is not respected, there could be further retirement requests,” Bila said.
The commander of Turkey’s military academies General Bilgin Balanli, previously in line to take over the air force, is in jail and among 200 officers charged with involvement over the alleged “Sledgehammer” coup plot.
The alleged plot, including plans to bomb historic mosques in Istanbul and trigger conflict with Greece, centers around a 2003 military seminar. Officers say it was just a war games exercise and that evidence against them has been fabricated.
The Aegean Army commander may also not attend as he is among 22 people facing arrest over claims the military set up anti-government websites - a more recent case which is viewed as contributing to the decision by the top brass to walk out.
In his farewell message on Friday, Kosaner said the jailing of 250 soldiers in the coup plot cases was legally unacceptable and that repeated bids to resolve the issue had failed.
“Despite their being no definitive judicial ruling against them, 14 jailed generals and admirals and 58 colonels ... have been punished in advance and lost their right to be assessed at this year’s Supreme Military Council,” Kosaner said.
This week’s meeting coincides with start of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan and President Abdullah Gul is expected to hold a fast-breaking dinner for the YAS members at the Cankaya presidential palace in Ankara on Wednesday evening.
The YAS decisions will be presented to Gul for approval on Thursday. No major statements are expected until then.
Investors will be closely watching for any fallout in financial markets on Monday morning after the lira initially fell after the news broke early on Friday evening.
But market attention is likely to focus more on debt woes in the United States and Europe, with investors looking beyond the immediate disarray to long-term military reform.
“I don’t think the resignations will have a major impact on markets,” said Altug Dag, a trader at EFG Istanbul Securities.
“I see this as positive in the medium to long term because the government is restructuring the army as they wish and this reduces the potential for possible future disputes,” he said.
http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article480741.ecePosted 9 months ago on 01 Aug 2011 0:43 # -
Dusky
Member@MG: Seems Harron Rasheed listening to you, check his today's column;)
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/aug2011-daily/01-08-2011/col4.htm
Posted 9 months ago on 01 Aug 2011 2:43 # -
aftab arif
Member@ MG Saab
I am not 100% content with Turkish role in regional affairs but i am more disappointed with there role in the Libyan conflict in how they have supported destruction of that country and now even recognising the rebels.
Posted 9 months ago on 01 Aug 2011 15:15 # -
aftab, thanks for your comment. I wholly agree with you over Turkey's very questionable role in both Libya and Syria. It's as though Erdogan is playing the west card for all he's worth. If this is so, you'll see, aftab, he'll get his come-uppance. The Turkish people themselves will get rid of him in time to come. No one betrays the Muslims in this way and gets away with it for very long.
Dusky, thank you, too. Though Haroon Rashid and I happen to be at opposing ends on the topic of Turkey and the dignity of handing in one's resignation when everything else happening around us is against our strongest principles.
While on the subject, may I point out as well that Turkey has one of the most badly treated media in the world. There are hundreds of journalists under arrest in that country. We who enjoy such tremendous press freedom at the moment, let us spare a thought for the poor Turks who always hear only government propaganda, whatever it is, at any given time.
Posted 9 months ago on 01 Aug 2011 15:52 # -
aftab arif
Member@ MG
I don't think the blame can be put wholly on Erdogen and the Justice and Development Party, i think he is still involved in a balancing act with the Military who are deeply trenched, much like our own Military. I think the intention to do good is there by Erdogen but he doesn't want to push the Military too far over a short period of time.
Posted 9 months ago on 01 Aug 2011 16:11 # -
Agreed aftab. Well reasoned. Take care and see you later.
Posted 9 months ago on 01 Aug 2011 18:29 #
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