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  1. shriq
    Member

    Some nasty thing brewing up here! A chance for US to interfere as well!! The news item goes like this:
    "In a communiqué issued at the end of their 31st summit, the GCC leaders threw their weight behind the UAE’s right to regain sovereignty over its three islands and over the territorial waters, the airspace, the continental shelf, and the economic zone of the three islands, as they are an integral part of the United Arab Emirates."

    Another war in the region is too bad for our health (financial et al). Some time back, UAE held an arms exhibition and at the end of that exhibition, it was announced that UAE intends to acquire missiles. Why? was my question to one of my colleague (from India), he opined that:
    1 - they are making their army strong,
    2 - already american forces have been given a bas in Abu Dhabi,
    3 - they would soon announce war on Iran for their islands.

    Well, its happening! Not very long ago, this year, UAE announced that they are getting some missiles. UAE took advantage of this GCC summit to muster support for the action. When the action is taken is yet to be seen.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Dec 2010 16:50 #
  2. shriq
    Member

    http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article210541.ece

    The communiqué expressed the six leaders' regret about what they said was Tehran's lack of response to efforts to resolve a territorial dispute between Iran and the UAE over three strategically located Gulf islands. The GCC considers the islands “an integral part of the UAE.”

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Dec 2010 16:56 #
  3. shriq
    Member

  4. @Raavi
    Don't worry about the "patriot missiles". They are useless and their only value is their use for "money laundering"/paying bribes. They are certainly not "offensive' weapons. And as defensive weapons, they trulu SUCK:

    "Although there was intensive aerial activity directed at hitting the Scud launchers, not a single Scud launcher was hit or immobilized during the Gulf War. Furthermore, the U.S.-made Patriot missiles in Israel did not succeed in intercepting a single Scud missile.

    (Note: this is coming from Israel itself)

    Don't you remember U.S. donated them to Israel during the early gulf war days and Israel (finding them useless) went and sold them to China and South Africa. And don't be surprised if some ended up in Iran itself. Remember Iran-Contra???

    BTW: Kuwait and Saudi Arabia has bought them too and Iran is really doing them a favor by telling Gulf states "Don't squander money on US missiles"

    As for the islands in question, UAE can keep dreaming (and if they ever become part of UAE, the islands will be under US occupation so UAE will never get to use them)

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Dec 2010 4:45 #
  5. shriq
    Member

    NOTA,

    "(and if they ever become part of UAE, the islands will be under US occupation so UAE will never get to use them)"

    This is not the only scenario that would be outcome of this tiff between Iran and UAE (although fully agreed, and who is there to challenge the ONLY WORLD POWER if they decide to do that). Problem is that the suffering of Pakistan due to that!!

    1 - The war starts,
    2 - Iran would have upper hand (definitely),
    3 - US is called to help OR all of a sudden US finds that there are ENOUGH PROOF that nukes are in one of the facilities near Tehran OR Iran has used chemical weapons against UAE,
    4 - Along with UAE, Pakistan is asked to help to curb the danger of nuclear warhead being used (again either you are on ourside ...). Pakistan is made to choose between a neighbor and Arab world).
    5 - Pakistan accepts willingly (or by beefing up of some of the accounts in Swiss banks)
    6 - Supply of oil out of gulf is disturbed (resulting price hike in oil products and with its effect on other commodities)
    7 - The Iran Pak gas pipeline project is affected,
    8 - A beaten/wounded Iran would not be a friendly force for Pakistan in the future
    ....
    ....

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Dec 2010 8:32 #
  6. @Raavi
    Sure..the only think certain is that UAE is making this demand at the behest of the puppet-master and you know who that is :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Dec 2010 8:46 #
  7. The Tunbs and Abu Musa Dispute
    On the 30 November 1971, a day before the termination of the treaty with Ras Al Khaimah, Iran occupied the uninhabited Lesser Tunb Island and captured the Greater Tunb Island after some fighting. Britain also aided Iran to secure part possession of the island of Abu Musa from Sharjah in return for an annual grant. Iran added these three islands to the three it already possessed, Hormuz, Qeshm and Larak to control the six islands to the west and north of the Strait of Hormuz. One of the orginal architects of the existing structure, the former Iranian diplomat and exiled opposition leader, Dr Assad Homayoun wrote the following paper which although subjective does outline the dispute in recent years:

    The three strategic islands of Greater Tumb, Lesser Tumb and Abu Musa - straddling the globally vital oil shipping lanes of the Persian Gulf - were under Iranian sovereignty from ancient times until 1887. In that year, the British, under the pretext of creating security in the Persian Gulf by fighting pirates, and to take advantage of the weak state of the Iranian government of the day, took over the three islands. Later, Britain transferred their control to the Trucial States, the predecessor of today’s United Arab Emirates (UAE). Successive Iranian Governments continuously protested and discussed the matter with the British Government, but without results.
    The nationalisation of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company by Iran’s nationalist premier Dr Mohammad Mossadegh in 1952, and the nationalisation of the Suez Canal by Egyptian President Gamal Abdul Nasser, created a tremendous political and economic setback for the British Government, the result of which was their eventual decision to withdraw from the region. In 1967, the British pulled out of the Aden Protectorate (later the People’s Democratic Republic of Yemen, later part of the Yemen Republic), and in 1968 declared their intent to withdraw from the Persian Gulf by 1971.

    The Iranian Government, at this point, saw the opportunity to re-start its discussions with the British Government regarding the question of the sovereignty of the three Persian Gulf islands.

    The discussions began in London, between Iranian Ambassador Afshar (the Shah’s envoy) and Sir William Luce, the British Ambassador to the Persian Gulf. In Tehran, talks began between top Iranian official Assadollah Alam (Minister of Court) and British Ambassador to Iran Sir Dennis Wright. Iran’s Foreign Minister at the time, Ardeshir Zahedi (later ambassador to the United States), appointed a task force of three diplomats - including this writer - to research and study the historic documents and maps, in order to update the documentation supporting Iranian sovereignty over these islands. Iran’s claim was based on historical facts, as well as geopolitical considerations of the Persian Gulf.

    The sovereignty issue was the subject of talks between the two governments from 1968 until the end of 1970. At the same time, the future of Bahrain, over which Iran also claimed historic sovereignty, was also being determined. Although Iran sought a package deal in which it would relinquish its claims over Bahrain in return for the re-establishment of its sovereignty over the three islands in question, no explicit quid pro quo agreement was reached. Nevertheless, it was the Iranian Government’s understanding that, in the wake of the goodwill created by the Bahrain settlement, the British would not actively oppose the Iranian claim over the islands, and might even bring their influence to bear on the rulers of Sharjah and Rasal-Khaimah (now both members of the UAE) on behalf of Iran’s claims.

    Finally, with a secret memorandum of understanding between Iran, Sharjah and Britain, an agreement was reached over Abu Musa. The island would be administered jointly between Iran and Sharjah. Iran would control the island militarily, while the income from the offshore oil would be divided between Iran and Sharjah. At the same time, both parties declared that neither would relinquish its respective claim to the sovereignty of Abu Musa island.

    On the matter of the Tumb islands, Iran and Ras al-Khaimah could not come to an agreement because the ruler of the emirate had demanded an exorbitant amount of money, which Iran was unwilling to pay.

    Twenty-four hours before the expiration of the British Agreement with the Trucial States, and the UK’s withdrawal from the Persian Gulf - at 06.15 hrs on November 30, 1971 - the Iranian Navy and Marines staged the first hovercraft-borne amphibious assault in history, and occupied the three islands. Iran, after 80 years, exercised its sovereignty over its lost property.

    This action by the late Shah’s Government was eventually accepted by all concerned, after much protest from some Arab quarters. Since it was understood that the then-Iranian Government had no aggressive intentions, and was itself an element for stability in the Persian Gulf, the issue subsided.

    Now, because of the political behaviour and revolutionary attitude of the current clerical Government of Iran - which is at the same time trying to subvert the moderate governments in the Gulf region - the emirates involved have thought the time ripe to raise the issue once again. This does not bode well for the region as a whole. Since the clerical Administration of Iran is shaky, and will use all excuses and prospects of foreign adventures to legitimise its continued rule, the matter could well lead to confrontation between the UAE and Iran.

    The Iran-Iraq conflict in the same way helped to perpetuate the dictatorial rule of the clerics. A new conflict would have a similar effect: the re-awakening of another old issue, the Iranian claim over Bahrain.

    In conclusion, it should be stated that:
    (a) The three islands - Abu Musa and the two Tunbs - belong to Iran, based on historical facts;
    (b) The islands have, for the past 21 years, been under the sovereignty of Iran. The only time that the islands were not controlled by Iran was when the British had seized them by force, during a period when Iran was weak. The British did not have the legal right to transfer their colonial legacy to the UAE;
    (c) Iran must respect the agreements and memorandum reached over Abu Musa, and the matter must be resolved peacefully;
    (d) Iran must show goodwill towards its neighbours and contribute to the stability of the region, rather than export militant Islam.
    Since it appears to be the inherent nature of the clerical Administration of Iran to pursue its militant course, it falls to the Iranian people and their defence forces to change their government. It is in the interest of the international community to support the Iranian people in their quest to bring moderate government to Iran, to deal with both domestic and international problems.

    http://www.dataxinfo.com/hormuz/essays/5.9.htm

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Dec 2010 15:39 #
  8. @S.E.Mirza
    Thanks! That certainly clears it up. Now if you can find something about:
    "A new conflict would have a similar effect: the re-awakening of another old issue, the Iranian claim over Bahrain"...:)

    (Bet Bahrain must be going "You damn fools...!!!")

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Dec 2010 18:33 #
  9. @nota
    Perhaps this may be of interest.

    Bahrain: An Island over troubled waters.
    In recent weeks, hundreds of opposition leaders have been arrested on suspicion of conspiring against the rulers of Bahrain. Official reports claim that the suspects belong to a Shiite terrorist network that intended to overthrow the al-Khalifah family.

    The royal family, perhaps in order to fend off criticism, sought to give the recent tension a regional slant, claiming that the accused were in contact with foreign governments, i.e., Iran. These events invite examination of Bahrain as a test case of the ability to promote even basic political reform in the Arab world, and as a barometer of local tension between Sunnis and Shiites and tension between Iran and the Arab world.

    Although Bahrain was the first of the small Gulf states to produce oil (1932), its oil reserves were emptied and most of its revenues now come from its serving as a regional and international center for banking and tourism. Given the size of the archipelago (700 square kilometers) and its central location in the Gulf, Bahraini rulers must balance the kingdom’s interests among the interests of its strong neighbors. American security guarantees are necessary for defense and deterrence, and the kingdom “earns” them by hosting the US Fifth Fleet’s headquarters and providing token assistance to the American war effort in Afghanistan and Iraq. To offset this pro-American foreign policy and in order not to encourage Iranian aggression, Bahrain allows Iranian businesses to operate on its territory, avoids criticizing Iran publicly, and often announces that it will not allow its territory to be used for an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

    While the Bahraini ruling family is Sunni, it is estimated that over 70 percent of the population of some 1 million (only half of whom are citizens) are Persian and Arab Shiites. After succeeding his father in 1999, King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa passed a string of reforms that he said would in part improve relations with the Shiites. Nevertheless, Bahrain’s Shiites, who have an inferior political, economic, and social status and are not able to attain senior positions in the bureaucracy and the military, are among those who oppose the king’s rule.

    Shiite political grievances – especially that the main Shiite association, al-Wefaq, holds almost half of the seats in the lower house (which is significantly weaker than the upper house, the Shura Council, appointed by the king) – surface from time to time.

    With the withdrawal of British forces from the Gulf in the early 1970s, the shah of Iran demanded sovereignty over Bahrain, but in a 1970 UN referendum, the residents voted to retain their independence, a decision later anchored in UN Security Council Resolution 278 that was even ratified by the Iranian Majlis. In the wake of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, pro-Iranian riots broke out in Bahrain, and since then, demonstrations feature Iranian flags and pro-Iranian slogans. And while Iran’s claims to sovereignty over the island are not new, the comment by Nateq-Nouri, a close adviser to Iranian leader Khamenei in February 2009, to the effect that “until it received its independence, Bahrain was the fourteenth district of Iran, and was even represented in the Iranian Majlis,” caused a major storm in Bahrain and led to widespread displays of solidarity with Bahrain in the Arab world, including Morocco’s decision to cut off diplomatic ties with Iran.

    There have also been serious periods of tension between the states, especially on the issue of Iranian support for the Bahraini opposition and failed Iranian attempts at subversion in the 1980s and 1990s. In December 1981 and again in June 1996, for example, Bahrain publicly accused Iran of attempting a coup in the kingdom. In most cases, however, it was not possible to prove direct Iranian involvement, and therefore Iran could deny the charges and maintain extensive commercial ties with the emirate, along with its covert activities.

    While Bahrain and Iran are attempting to calm the tensions and conduct normal relations, Iran has nonetheless positioned itself as a significant threat to the stability of the Gulf regimes. Indeed, the ethnic-religious structure in Bahrain makes it fertile ground for Iran. The general fear in the Gulf is that the Islamic Republic’s hegemonic aspirations, as well as the decisive progress in its nuclear program, are liable to cause the Shiites to feel greater confidence and act to undermine stability. This causes Bahraini authorities, and to a large extent, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as well, to deal with their Shiite citizens as a fifth column.

    The achievements of the Shiites in Iraq and Lebanon and the rising status of Iran may have sparked the political awakening and increasing demands among Shiites in Bahrain in order to correct their inferior status. Yet not only did the king’s attempt to contain the protests by allowing greater Shiite participation in the political process not stem the violent protests; it actually made them even more frequent and severe. And although it is not possible to rule out Iranian involvement, even indirect, in the violent protests, recent events can also be seen in the context of the elections scheduled to take place in late October. Authorities are eager to weaken the opposition’s demand to strengthen the Parliament’s authority, institute free elections, and improve the Shiites’ economic, political, and social status.

    Even if the reforms instituted by the king are relatively far-reaching for the Arab world, his authority relative to the entire system of government, including the Parliament, has remained uncircumscribed. The Parliament lacks real legislative authority; and freedom of expression and association are limited. According to the opposition, the authorities also artificially increase the relative representation of Sunni election districts and even give many Sunnis citizenship – 100,000 in the past decade – in order to increase their relative numbers in the population.
    Local human rights organizations accuse the authorities of excessive use of force against demonstrators and of torturing arrested opposition activists. The authorities continue to use the press law to limit coverage of controversial issues, including government corruption.

    The “protecting society from terrorism” act includes broad definitions of the war on terrorism, and makes it possible to arrest a person for fifteen days without an indictment or judicial oversight. There have been reports in recent weeks that Bahraini authorities have blocked hundreds of websites, including political websites and the sites of newspapers and human rights organizations, and that they have further increased surveillance on religious figures and activities in mosques.

    Egypt’s President Mubarak was perhaps referring to events such as these in Bahrain (or in Kuwait, which claims to have recently exposed a sleeper network of Iranian spies on its territory) when he charged recently that “there are new dangers threatening the stability of the Gulf region.” And in fact, events in Bahrain raise fears that Iran, in addition to inciting the Shiites, has even placed sleeper cells intended to harm government stability and Western interests. In this context, the Americans are certainly following the increased incitement on the island with concern, if only because of the upgrading of the Fifth Fleet headquarters, which in recent years has been a target of growing local protests.

    It is possible that the recent wave of arrests is part of an attempt by Bahrain and other countries in the region to weaken their Shiite opposition prior to a possible clash with Iran. Iran is likely, if it has not done so already, to exploit the basic weakness of Sunni Arab regimes in the Gulf and their complex relations with the Shiites in their territory to gain the allegiance of local Shiite populations, and to signal that it is capable of undermining the Gulf’s stability in the event that its nuclear facilities are attacked.

    http://bahraini.tv/2010/10/06/bahrain-an-island-over-troubled-water/

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Dec 2010 18:50 #
  10. nsdap
    Member

    Yet another nuclear weapon state in our neighbourhood is NOT IN FAVOR OF PAKISTAN.

    Destruction of Iran is neccessary for our survival and there must be no hesitation in utilizing any chance.

    There must be a consensus among the 8 nuclear weapon states that there must not be a 9th.

    Whether North Korea has or has't acquired deliverable nuclear weapons, it must be, nevertheless, annhilated. Same goes for Iran.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Dec 2010 4:56 #
  11. nsdap
    Member

    If Iran is allowed to become a nuclear weapon state, Pakistan would be in more trouble as compared to the arabs or israelis.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Dec 2010 4:59 #
  12. nsdap
    Member

    Pakistan must stoke ethnic tensions in Iranian Balochistan.

    Our baloch brethren are angry. One way to pacify them is to encourage an INSURGENCY in Iranian Balochistan. This piece of land must be united with Pakistani Balochistan.

    This would give our balochi brethren a confidence that Pakistan wants all balochis to unite together rather than be divided.

    Today balochis are fighting against the Armed Forces but it will be great to see them cheering our Armed Forces that would be advancing into Iranian Balochistan.

    Pakistani soldiers marching into Iran and being cheered by the irani balochs. Ah ! what a sight it would be.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Dec 2010 5:10 #
  13. shriq
    Member

    Instead of increasing the number of already continuing battles, it would not be wise to start new ones. You think Pakistan is in position to take up with Iran. I think NO as it already struggling with the ongoing war on terrorism etc. I would rather seek good friendly relation with our neighbor. The problem of Baluchistan can be dealt with by giving them their rights.

    SE Mirza,

    Thanks for sharing good article with us. Wherever militant part of a region are ruling, there is a wish to expand by force. The cause stated may be religious or ethnic and historic. Iran is no exception to this rule. They would also tend to do just that. The acquisition of nuclear power is not only for its defense but for other purposes as well which is the cause of concern amongst Arabs. The weak Arab states therefore rely on their unholy marriage with US and are playing to the tunes of their (super power) partner. The statement at the end of this GCC summit can not be the result of brave Arab decsion but may be due to encouragement from US who seeks to put pressure on Iran for whatsoever reason. This is definitely not good for the whole region. US seems to be succeeding in raging another war continents away from its borders.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Dec 2010 6:20 #
  14. @S.E.Mirza
    Thanks again!

    @nsdap
    "Our baloch brethren are angry. One way to pacify them is to encourage an INSURGENCY in Iranian Balochistan. This piece of land must be united with Pakistani Balochistan."</"
    Looks like you missed that boat. And seeing the situation in Pakistani Balochistan, I am sure they are dying to do that.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Dec 2010 7:02 #

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