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Unfortunately Slaman Taseer's Murderer has wide spread sympathies

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  1. Please read about it here.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2012/01/120109_salma_taseer_qadri_sz.shtml

    I think he should be given a severe punishment and made an example for others. Our prophet was so kind and nice to minorities so killing in his name is sheer ignorance and opposed to his message. Forgiveness was one of his major messages all his life.

    It is also against the dream of our founding father Quaid-e-Azam who clearly said that we want all minorities with equal rights living in harmony with each other. We want to make our country a great example where all minorities live with total peace and equal opportunity as others.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 5:52 #
  2. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    His death anniversary was not marked by PPP with much enthusiasm.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 6:06 #
  3. Every person who believe in rule of law and humanity, should remember Suleman Taseer Shaheed and condemn his killing.

    Peoples whom are doing crimes on the name of religion, they are real evil and worse than pigs.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 6:15 #
  4. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @msyedh: What is the;

    (1) "code of conduct"
    (2) "standard" of justice

    that you subscribe to ?

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 6:31 #
  5. We are a predominantly muslim country where remarks against the prophet are not liked from anyone including muslims obviously. If some non-Muslim or even Muslim gives some hate-remarks about our Prohpet (PBUH), we may want to reprimand them and ask them to never do such a thing which unsettles a large number of Muslims and may have unintended consequences. I assure it is probably the same even in advanced countries where any remarks about Jesus before a practicing christian would invite hatred.

    But death sentences or long imprisonment for such activity are way too much of a punishment and negates teachings of our prophet. This is what Salman Taseer stressed. The most we should ask them is disavow such remarks and to not make such remarks in the future and live in harmony with the rest. We wish minorities in our country to have equal rights as muslims. We are no apartheid or Israel.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 6:45 #
  6. hariskhan@

    Any violation for any code of conduct, does not justify to kill anybody on the name of religion. There is legal system and courts to take actions.

    Specially, when killing is from a guard who is responsible to protect him, is same like, as eat your mother.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 7:32 #
  7. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @msyedh: Please answer the question;

    What is the;

    (1) "code of conduct"
    (2) "standard" of justice

    that you subscribe to ?

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 8:19 #
  8. shafiq12
    member

    Specially, when killing is from a guard who is responsible to protect him, is same like, as eat your mother.

    Qadri, he killed a corrupt politician, who was not fulfilling his duty, his obligation -- So what.. He killed a corrupt politician who had been using governmental security to secure himself from arm of justice.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 9:17 #
  9. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    oblivion

    No corrupt politicians will not be able to escape the God's system of justice. They will meet their punishment someday through one pretext or another.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 10:48 #
  10. He might as well have been corrupt but the point is that he was murdered because he took a principled and ethical stand. Besides how many Pakistani politicians do you find who are not corrupt. It is just a matter of degree of corruptness. Again murdering someone for corruption should not be the norm in any civilized society. He should be taken to task through institutions established for law and justice. There is need for strong institutions to grant justice rather than killing people and then saying that killing was justified due to corruption.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 10:52 #
  11. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    ahsanamin bhai

    The problem is that no strong institutions are existent at all in our country to grant justice. Court decisions are of no value. There are thousands of court cases which were never implemented.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 10:56 #
  12. gv
    Member

    @hk

    Adaab!

    Let me answer that little question for msyedh if you don't mind.

    We live for better or for worse in a country with an existing legal code. One of those codes is to respect the sanctity of human life.

    Therefore if one has a grievance (percieved or otherwise)against the conduct of another member of society than one is meant to lodge a complaint via the existing (legal) system.

    Therefore the killing in cold blood of an unarmed human being for a percieved grievance is a crime against the social collective and should therefore be punished accordingly.

    Now answer me this?

    "Can you condemn a non-Muslim for blasphemy? A Christian, whether you like it or not, does not believe in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Is then their entire existence blasphemous? Is everyone other than a Muslim committing blasphemy just by existing?"

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/316018/we-never-learned/

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:00 #
  13. oblivion@
    If i beelieve that you are corrupt or Nawaz Sharif is corrupt, then i can be justify to kill anyone?

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:06 #
  14. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Besides the question of Salman Taseer's murder justified or unjustified, the touchy issues of no religion should be raised to hurt the feelings of millions. Salman Taseer's behaviour in this respect was totally irresponsible.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:12 #
  15. shafiq12
    member

    Hussain Farooqi
    There is old saying, which fits on the death of taseer
    نہ کی سامانِ عیش و جاہ نے تدبیر وحشت کی
    The protection of Taseer cannot become a cure for his life. Meaning his own protection becomes a threat to his existence.
    ===================================
    ahsanamin

    He might as well have been corrupt but the point is that he was murdered because he took a principled and ethical stand.

    A person, who celebrated drinking eve with his family, his daugthers, his wive, How could he take principled and ethical stand. There was curse of money/fame behind his stand. If he was such a holly man then why didnt he make his life holly. What makes him to not take a stand for his life.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:12 #
  16. Hussain Farooqui@
    May be suleman Taseer statement was wrong but even then nobody have right to kill him. There should be only legal or political actions.

    lagta ha hum kesi door-e-jaheliyat mein reh rahy hein. jes kee laathi us kee bhens.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:15 #
  17. shafiq12
    member

    msyedh

    If i beelieve that you are corrupt or Nawaz Sharif is corrupt, then i can be justify to kill anyone?

    I might be corrupt but i don't destroy religious sentiment. See, i respect what you believe, So you should respect what i believe, Salman taseer, on the other hand, Clearly attack on religious sentiments, when he said, "KALA QANOON"

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:16 #
  18. gv
    Member

    @oblivion

    do you have an answer for the quote above?

    "Can you condemn a non-Muslim for blasphemy? A Christian, whether you like it or not, does not believe in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Is then their entire existence blasphemous? Is everyone other than a Muslim committing blasphemy just by existing?"

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:20 #
  19. oblivion@
    Does not matter, how much your religious sentiments has been hurt. you have no right to take law in your hand and kill anybody. There is a system to take action against anybody and only court can decide his crimes.

    Yeh door-e-jaheliyat nein ha, jo chaho karo

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:28 #
  20. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    msyedh bhai

    Indignance over lack of justice is causing a lot of problems in our country. There have recently been cases of robbers being burnt alive. Setting fire on the buses after accidents is now a tradition in our society. People making bhangra over the dying robbers are also being reported. The badly defective system of justice is causing a lot of social disorders in our country.

    The absence of a justice system will take our society to very catastrophic conditions.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:29 #
  21. shafiq12
    member

    Is then their entire existence blasphemous? Is everyone other than a Muslim committing blasphemy just by existing?"

    No, you clearly don't understand this concept of blasphemy. Quran clearly states, There is no compulsion in religion.. See below verse
    http://quran.com/2/256

    on the other hand, when a person commits a blasphemy, he tries to attack on religious sentiment by his own will. You're christian, jew or what ever that isn't blasphemy, you're blasphemer, when you speak of (God or a sacred entity) in an irreverent, impious manner.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:29 #
  22. gv
    Member

    So was Asia bibi (a christian) not a blasphemer by your own reckoning?

    Let me re-phrase. If a christian who does not believe in Hazrat Muhammed being the last messenger of god or even a messenger of god at all - says that in public - is he committing blasphemy or merely articulating his own beliefs?

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:30 #
  23. shafiq12
    member

    msyedh

    Does not matter, how much your religious sentiments has been hurt. you have no right to take law in your hand and kill anybody. There is a system to take action against anybody and only court can decide his crimes.

    My religious sentiments aren't hurt, It's qadri whose religious sentiments were hurt. He satisfied his soul by killing Taseer.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:31 #
  24. shafiq12
    member

    So was Asia bibi (a christian) not a blasphemer by your own reckoning?

    How??, she didn't speak of Islam in an irreverent, impious manner.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:32 #
  25. siddiqi73
    Member

    Sorry to say but the thing which got ST killed was his tendency to be inebriated half of the day and talking from his backside most of the time. Such liberal fascists should be a bit more careful in taking up a position on affairs which tend to be rather explosive.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:32 #
  26. gv
    Member

    @oblivion (see ammended post above)

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:33 #
  27. gv
    Member

    @siddiqui so you are saying its ok to kill people because you dont approve of their lifestyle choices?

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:35 #
  28. Hussain Farooqui@
    Even courts are corrupt and system is not working proper way. But still we have to follow law and system. It make no sense to authorize peoples to decide whatever they want.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:35 #
  29. shafiq12
    member

    gv

    If a christian who does not believe in Hazrat Muhammed being the last messenger of god or even a messenger of god at all - says that in public - is he committing blasphemy or merely articulating his own beliefs?

    There were christian at time of Prophet Muhammad, They didn't believe in him, Did he kill them?. On the other hand, there were hadith about blasphemy

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:37 #
  30. shafiq12
    member

    Even courts are corrupt and system is not working proper way. But still we have to follow law and system. It make no sense to authorize peoples to decide whatever they want.

    Was taseer following any law? when he used the word "Kala Qanoon" for current Law

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:40 #
  31. I believe there is some kind of political role behind Suleman Taseer killing, beside religious element.

    If there in real independent investigation then we may find out who was responsible to appoint Qadari with Suleman Taseer. And what kind of contacts have Punjab government official have with Qadari and with those whom were close with Qadari.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:40 #
  32. oblivion@
    If Suleman Taseer was not obeying law. There is procedure to take action against him through courts. But nobody have right to make decision to kill anybody.
    If we allow this kind of killing, then society will be destroyed.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:42 #
  33. shafiq12
    member

    I also believe there is some kind of political role behind Suleman Taseer stance. What a heavy drinker has to do with moral or laws or what could he do to save someone's life

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:43 #
  34. shafiq12
    member

    msyedh
    See, as Taseer wasn't obeying laws, So qadri didn't obey any law for his religious sentiment, So what makes the difference.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:44 #
  35. oblivion@

    Are you claiming that you have right to kill anybody who is drinker and does not have moral value according to your choice?

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:46 #
  36. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    msyedh bhai

    A disciplined society is our need which is not being fulfilled. It is not in our hands to control the chaos which are occurring in our society as a result of poor system of justice. In the Middle East, a person committing blasphemy to the religious values is arrested and punished, so no people take laws in their hands to punish the blasphemer.

    In the disciplined countries, I have myself seen people exchanging welfare and apologies after road accidents. It the police which arrives on time and writes a true report for responsibilities and compensations. The car drivers exchange no hot words but soft words of welfare and apologies.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:46 #
  37. Hussain Farooqui@
    It takes time to be disciplined society. Pakistan is new country, may be it need time to become like western countries.

    But at least, we must apply our judicial system, whatever we have now. We can not allow peoples to take law in their hands and decide according to their personal believe, thinking and mind.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:52 #
  38. siddiqi73
    Member

    @Shahji,

    I'm proud of you that you still haven't brushed aside the PML (N) phobia. Qadri has been convicted of his crime and a punishment has been handed over to him. Now you in your individual capacity can launch a crusade to find out if he indeed have any understanding with Punjab Government to carry out this criminal act.

    @gv,

    I don't condone murder but we actually live in a medieval land where the behaviour of people such as ST is not looked upon kindly and most specifically when such people start poking their trap into highly sensitive affairs pertaining to religion. People can be very feisty in Pakistan on such matters.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:52 #
  39. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    msyedh

    The systems of justice in the countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, China and Srilanks are quite good. All these cited countries were liberated after 1947.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:58 #
  40. siddiqi73@

    I am not demanding to hang Shabaz Sharif and Rana sanaullah on Bhati gate. But Nothing wrong to investigate to find truth.

    Everybody know relationship of Suleman Taseer with Shabaz Sharif and Rana sanaullah before his death. It was tense situation.

    who knows, who was facilitating Qadari to complete his mission.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 11:59 #
  41. siddiqi73
    Member

    ^^^ Buddy, its the attitude and conduct of people which ends up with them getting shot. I wouldn't be surprised that if tomorrow folks like Rehman Malik and Babar Haiwan end up getting slaughtered as well. So what, would you come around and say that SS or Rana Sanaullah were responsible.

    As for investigation, I'm all for it. A governor is/was the representative of the federation and as such FIA can be mandated by the federal government to investigate SS and Rana Sanaullah in this regard.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 12:02 #
  42. Who is real killer or killers of Salman Taseer? Is Qadri just a foot soldeir?

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 12:12 #
  43. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Sweettruth

    You raised a good point.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 12:14 #
  44. gv
    Member

    @oblivion

    Than why put a christian woman on death row for blasphemy?

    By your own admission the law must be flawed?

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 12:30 #
  45. gv
    Member

    @siddiqui

    than why condone Qadri's act? which is what your previous comments appear to be doing

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 12:32 #
  46. siddiqi73
    Member

    @gv,

    Please read again as I've categorically stated that I DON'T CONDONE such a criminal act.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 12:35 #
  47. gv
    Member

    @siddiqui

    so what you are really saying is that ST's lifestyle and statements justified someone killing him?

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 12:40 #
  48. siddiqi73
    Member

    @gv,

    It wasn't justified but ST could have exercised caution and some discretion.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 12:42 #
  49. So Folks! Who killed Governor?

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 13:14 #
  50. hkbajwa
    Member

    What i really don;t understand is how Mumtaz Qutta's supporters can draw a causal link between ST drinking and MQ's murder.

    By that very logic somebody needs to put a bullet in zardari NS, SS, Altaaf, Chandhry bros, maulana diesel etc etc. These guys are just as fond of unislamic behavior as ST.

    The only difference was that ST was irreverent about it whereas the other are huge hypocrites who clothe themselves in pious garb and hide their activities.

    So question 1 to Mumtaz Qutta's supporters is this: Do you support the murder of all political figures in pakistan who have engaged in such activities?

    Anyhow the mullahists also seem to have a very bad memory in terms of what ST ACTUALLY said. He termed the blasphemy law as a black law. He never mentioned the Quran nor did he mention the Prophet (pbuh). He criticized the MAN MADE LAW derived from the law of our colonial masters that exists in this form ONLY IN PAKISTAN.

    I realize that plenty of mullahists would like to present his condemnation of the law as a criticism of the Prophet (pbuh) but of course even they know that is not the case. Many a devout muslim has also criticized the law and especially its current misuse against minorities. And those devout muslims criticize it IN THE NAME OF ISLAM and ISLAMIC PRINCIPLES.

    In any case even if ST was guilty as sin, does the Quran encourage killing of a citizen without due process? Does the Quran allow an individual to act as judge jury and executioner?

    And does the glorification of a sick murderer show islam in a good light or is it the ultimate humiliation and embarrassment.

    I say it again. He is Mumtaz Qutta. And even that is an insult to dogs. And his followers i term as the Qutta Cadre, followers of a Dog.

    Posted 4 months ago on 10 Jan 2012 13:26 #

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