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US Empire Could Collapse at Any Time

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  1. Obama Mortgages US to China for Cash (see nota's China links above)

    "The United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People's Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain within the USA, as collateral for China's continued purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves!"

    "On February 11, 2009, Bloomberg Business News reported that China was seeking "guarantees" for its US Government debt (Story Here), and it now appears they got it. Well placed senior sources at the US Embassy in Beijing CONFIRM the formal written agreement was delivered by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during her recent trip to China."

    "This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take — inside the USA — land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities — to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government."

    "Put simply, the feds have actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt."

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Dec 2010 17:43 #
  2. @MG
    Allow me to put it in BOLD:
    "Put simply, the feds have actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt."

    And don't forget the highways and bridges and God knows what else (in this 2006 article China is not listed but the fact is they ARE up for sale to the highest bidder) ;-)

    Side Note:
    Britain too just put up ALL it's forests for sale:
    For sale: all of our forests. Not some of them, nor most of them – the whole lot
    (I know there has been talk for years of doing the same to US National Parks)

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Dec 2010 18:10 #
  3. shriq
    Member

    Off the topic first:
    ST,
    You confessed two things in your posts in this thread: One that US got defeated in the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and that its economy has suffered recently even then you are stubbornly defending even the wishful thinking of the country you reside. That is nice! We need to do so in case of Pakistan as well! Defend it even though how bad the conditions in it may be!!!!!
    When I think what is the source of power for Pakistan in the present era, the only group I can think of is the one using their scalpels, set squares or writing their algorithms thousands of miles away from PK and even then brooding about the state of affairs in Pakistan. The cumulative wisdom that I see in this group is nowhere else to be seen. That puts me in the optimist circle.

    I was intrigued by this in this thread:
    "From the Blackwater mercenaries in foreign occupation armies to installed puppets and stooges it is new modus operandi of ertswhile colonialists". This is why I think that the freedom that we think we have is non-existent. We still are working for our gora masters. The puppets and stooges ruling us play to the tunes of the dollar and Euro empires. We have to fight these brown sabs to end the colonial era that started in 1700s. The mode of slavery and colonialism is changed. It never died or left us alone (to grow and prosper).

    On the topic now: I think fall of US is a wishful thinking at this moment of time. Rest has been discussed very nicely above in the thread.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Dec 2010 19:18 #
  4. shriq
    Member

    SE Mirza sahib,
    Waiting for your commitment done here:

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/us-empire-could-collapse-at-any-time#post-197574

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Dec 2010 19:21 #
  5. When China Rules the World

    An interview by Robert Scheer’s with the author, Martin Jacques of Daily Guardian. It is in 5 Parts.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Dec 2010 21:05 #
  6. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    China is still clinging to a dead ideology and it bodes doom. They will never be able to rule China, forget about the world.

    Eastern Turkistan (Xinjiang) is on verge of a political earthquake. All major resources of China happen to be in that area which is 6 times as big as France.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Dec 2010 23:12 #
  7. saqib55
    Member

    ^ And that is what the British spawned ummah lovers do best. Not only prematurely predict the demise of an existing empire but also predict the demise of an empire still emerging. And they themselves have zero to show for their own achievements after being sponsored by the MI5.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Dec 2010 2:22 #
  8. @Mirza Ghalib

    How much other countries own US of A?

    Saudi Arabia has 3/4 of a Trillion dollars in the US, mostly real estate, golf courses, resorts and luxury hotels.

    Then there is Kuwaiti investment. The Iranians put their own frozen assets in the US of A at about 10 Billion.

    100 largest foreign company investment by countries in the US of A.

    It is Europe and Japan that own alot of US of A.

    We have not even begin talking how much US of A and rest of the world has invested in China.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Dec 2010 12:06 #
  9. HI BO, True enough what you say there. The point that is made over and over again about China is simply that the size of its grab on US Treasuries is such that everyone else's pales in comparison.

    Your point about foreign investments in China is also valid. Now what the Chinese are going to do about that, I haven't the foggiest. As I do not in the least know how they are going to proceed in their future dealings with US.

    What we do know is that China was loathe to come onto the world stage before 2025. This was more or less decided at the last CCP meeting. The Martin Jacques video above seemed to confirm this schedule more or less. But recent events in Korea may make the whole thing go faster than expected.

    BO, one small reservation, if I may. You listed above somewhere all the recent crises in US history which that country had already overcome. The singularity in this particular instance is that unending foreign wars and an unprecedented financial crisis have come together and are going hand in hand. This is, to the best of my knowledge, quite new.

    No one at this particular point can quite say where all this will lead. But if hubris and fraud prevail over everything else, it will end badly, very, very badly in the view of some, including the author of the piece we've been discussing so far, Chris Hedges.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Dec 2010 12:42 #
  10. @Mirza Ghalib

    Everybody is in the same boat now. The problem is everyone's now, thanks to globalization. This is the strategy, to make everybody understand their stakes before doing something stupid. Now even axis of evils are Ok for doin business with. Ain't that sweet?

    Trading with Iran is OK too.

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/business-15749628/forbidden-zone-investing-in-iran-23378893

    Who's got the nerve to bust the boat he's in. If you attack anyone, more than likely you will be attacking own interests. So China and US of A need each other and economics is the way to prevent wars.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Dec 2010 12:52 #
  11. @BO
    I think what you (and Shim) are arguing is the way Sprengler starts this piece:

    America is exceptional - utterly and absolutely exceptional - because the rest of the world depends on American guns, American money and American mediation in a way that no other country or combination of countries possibly might replace. Any other power that suffered the setbacks that America sustained during 2010 under the Barack Obama presidency would have been pushed off the top of the hill. The reason America still has diplomatic currency to spend in Asia as well as actual currency to borrow demonstrates its indispensable role: no one, least of all Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao or Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, wants America to fail.

    Trouble is, he continues:

    That is why a conspiracy of silence surrounds the observation that the emperor is naked. But the facts are depressingly clear.

    After one trillion dollars and 5,000 casualties, America will leave Iraq with nothing to show for its Quixotic commitment to build a nation in the Mesopotamian sand. As Steven Lee Meyers reported on December 18 in The New York Times, "The protracted political turmoil that saw the resurgence of a fiercely anti-American political bloc here is casting new doubt on establishing any enduring American military role in Iraq after the last of nearly 50,000 troops are scheduled to withdraw in the next 12 months, military and administration officials say." The pro-Iranian government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki will eliminate America's role in Iraq after America's scheduled withdrawal....

    (Continue reading Naked emperor and a conspiracy of silence)

    Speaking of China, it has plenty of $$$$ to throw around and knowing it could soon become worthless, it is using it wisely to buy up REAL assets:
    Fresh humiliation for eurozone as China says it will bail out debt-ridden nations

    ...In a fresh humiliation for Europe, Foreign Ministry spokesman Jiang Yu said it was one of the most important areas for China's foreign exchange investments.

    The country has already approached struggling European countries with financial aid, including offering to buy Greece's debt in October and promising to buy $4billion of Portuguese government debt.
    ...
    China's astonishing economic growth has put it on track to overtake America as the world's economic powerhouse within two years, a recent report claimed.

    But experts believed still be some years before America's leadership role is really challenged - largely because Beijing has given no indication it is ready to take on the responsibility of shepherding the world' economy.

    This foray into the future of the euro could be a signal from Beijing that it is ready to change that perception.
    ...
    [This bit is for Shim]
    It is still believed that it will be some years before China actually overtakes the U.S. to become the world's largest economy.

    Politicians argue that technology is still behind and much of the country still lives in poverty.

    And in another economic measure, output per person, China lags way behind the US.

    Last year, the International Monetary Fund calculated gross domestic product per head in the US at $46,000. The GDP breakdown in China was just $4,000 per person.

    Related:
    PIMCO: Why The Eurozone Will Ultimately Fail

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Dec 2010 13:13 #
  12. Thanks BO, thanks nota, now my problem is the following: Much as I hate many of the things the powerful are doing, I certainly do not want a nuclear war to take place. No one should such suspect such a thing of me. So that something "stupid" you refer to is what I see the US doing time and again. As with Korea now. It is something I've noticed about the west for sometime now. They actually seem to want to commit suicide. Wiser head than mine have suggested that this is inevitable when the downfall of nations starts. Their every move seems to encourage that downfall to go faster.

    I quite agree with you, BO, trade (your economics) is the way to prevent wars. I see little signs of it on the part of US at the moment. Do you?

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Dec 2010 15:25 #
  13. naseemkhanan
    Member

    US is working on one agenda, of white supremacy. Itself a former British colony that was created by eliminating indigenous populations through genocides by labeling them savages. This gap was filled up initially through mass migration of the whites at first following with slaves from Africa and labor from China primarily for setting up plantations and building railroads. For low life jobs, colored races were allowed in from other colonies.

    This was the foundation of the champion of democracy in this world. History tells us that the Royals of Britain, France, Spain, Germany, Russia are related. They have two tools that are working very effectively for them all over the world. Banks and ARMS Industry. Under a false pretext they are promoting democracy.UNO has been rendered impotent.Banks and NGOs like WB, IMF, Human rights, Greenpeace, Transparency International, etc are groups of clandestine operatives again working for the combined benefit to white supremacy.

    Asians and Africans have shown them their mettle and worth. Now it is the white supremacist who is sliding a steep downwards slope while China, Russia, India, Korea are rising in both field, Economy and Defense. Overall picture is getting clearer as time passes on.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Dec 2010 16:59 #
  14. Gentlemen, the metacarpophalangeal joint has been made. See, it was that black and white after all the fuss. Simple, sweet yet crisp.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Dec 2010 17:12 #
  15. Posted 1 year ago on 25 Dec 2010 0:42 #
  16. Since we were talking age of the US empire...here is a relevant vid (less than 3 minutes):

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Dec 2010 17:29 #
  17. Thanks nota. US history has been anything but peace! Not for the world.

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Dec 2010 17:34 #
  18. Russia must go down too after all 29 Billion dollar embezzlement for oil is a lot of burden for her economy.

    Posted 1 year ago on 27 Dec 2010 22:17 #
  19. No, BO, it's the other way round. Russia was the only country I know which really stood up to the Jews over the Khodorkovsyk scam. The man was about to sell Yukos to the US when Putin intervened.

    As for 29 billion, Russia has long made up for it. And now it will be selling its oil like hot cakes for various reasons. So no need to worry about Russia's future, I'd say.

    Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 12:21 #
  20. No Jobs, Deficits, Down fall of Real Estate,
    Terrorism and the Two wars

    For US: The New Year Looks Very Bleak

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Dec 2010 18:41 #
  21. thanks AK. Simply super. No need for further words.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Dec 2010 19:02 #

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